This is the fourth and final part of my book club notes on A Thousand Beginnings and Endings. [Part one, part two, part three.]
I missed this meeting because I was totally exhausted and doubted my ability to form words. I did read the stories, though!
"Daughter of the Sun" by Shevta Thakrar
This love story had a lot going on and I didn't understand it well enough to summarize it. I was not surprised to learn that it's a merging of two different tales from the Mahabharata, because it does read like an amalgamation of stories rather than one clear narrative. I couldn't even figure out what the setting was supposed to be; in style and tone it reads like historical fantasy, but then there are a bunch of contemporary details like karaoke and video games. This could all work if done right, but I just kept flipping back to previous pages wondering if I missed something. At the time I thought "someone at book club will explain it to me." Oh well!
"The Crimson Cloak" by Cindy Pon
A dawn goddess falls in love with a human. I liked the prose and the descriptions of how the goddess paints the colors of the dawn. I also enjoyed the human's sidekick, who is a magic talking ox named Ox. However, by this point I was getting tired of "immortal/god/spirit falls in love with a human" stories and was wondering how many this book really needed. I realize it's a common folklore trope, but I wanted more depth and creativity in the retellings. A lot of them ended up feeling samey to me, and not a single one of them is queer! Sorry, author, I am sure I would have liked your story better if it had been earlier in the book.
"Eyes Like Candlelight" by Julie Kagawa
A kitsune falls in love with a human. Argh. Copy/paste what I said about the previous story and repetitive themes.
"Carp, Calculus, and the Leap of Faith" by Ellen Oh
[Note: This story is included only in the paperback edition, not the hardcover or the ebook.]
A girl whose mom is pressuring her to become a doctor gets support from her dad. This story really resonated with me. The relationship between the protagonist and the dad rang true, and the overall family dynamic was painfully recognizable to me. The dad is walking an impossible line where he's trying to help his kid advocate for herself without coming right out and saying "your mom is being shitty to you." This is obviously not a great situation and I imagine both parents have made a lot of questionable choices to get to this point, but the connection between the dad and the daughter is real. I also liked how the folktale was used as something the dad is sharing with the daughter as well as a reflection of her own journey. I found this a satisfying note to end on.
the end
There were some really cool stories in here and I'm glad we read them. Not everything was to my taste, but the quality of writing was high. It was great to explore folklore outside of Western traditions and see the connections and contrasts.
The group will continue with As the Earth Dreams: Black Canadian Speculative Stories, which is a title that might be relevant to the interests of a few of you here! It's a brand new collection that just came out this year and I'm really looking forward to it.
I missed this meeting because I was totally exhausted and doubted my ability to form words. I did read the stories, though!
"Daughter of the Sun" by Shevta Thakrar
This love story had a lot going on and I didn't understand it well enough to summarize it. I was not surprised to learn that it's a merging of two different tales from the Mahabharata, because it does read like an amalgamation of stories rather than one clear narrative. I couldn't even figure out what the setting was supposed to be; in style and tone it reads like historical fantasy, but then there are a bunch of contemporary details like karaoke and video games. This could all work if done right, but I just kept flipping back to previous pages wondering if I missed something. At the time I thought "someone at book club will explain it to me." Oh well!
"The Crimson Cloak" by Cindy Pon
A dawn goddess falls in love with a human. I liked the prose and the descriptions of how the goddess paints the colors of the dawn. I also enjoyed the human's sidekick, who is a magic talking ox named Ox. However, by this point I was getting tired of "immortal/god/spirit falls in love with a human" stories and was wondering how many this book really needed. I realize it's a common folklore trope, but I wanted more depth and creativity in the retellings. A lot of them ended up feeling samey to me, and not a single one of them is queer! Sorry, author, I am sure I would have liked your story better if it had been earlier in the book.
"Eyes Like Candlelight" by Julie Kagawa
A kitsune falls in love with a human. Argh. Copy/paste what I said about the previous story and repetitive themes.
"Carp, Calculus, and the Leap of Faith" by Ellen Oh
[Note: This story is included only in the paperback edition, not the hardcover or the ebook.]
A girl whose mom is pressuring her to become a doctor gets support from her dad. This story really resonated with me. The relationship between the protagonist and the dad rang true, and the overall family dynamic was painfully recognizable to me. The dad is walking an impossible line where he's trying to help his kid advocate for herself without coming right out and saying "your mom is being shitty to you." This is obviously not a great situation and I imagine both parents have made a lot of questionable choices to get to this point, but the connection between the dad and the daughter is real. I also liked how the folktale was used as something the dad is sharing with the daughter as well as a reflection of her own journey. I found this a satisfying note to end on.
the end
There were some really cool stories in here and I'm glad we read them. Not everything was to my taste, but the quality of writing was high. It was great to explore folklore outside of Western traditions and see the connections and contrasts.
The group will continue with As the Earth Dreams: Black Canadian Speculative Stories, which is a title that might be relevant to the interests of a few of you here! It's a brand new collection that just came out this year and I'm really looking forward to it.
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Date: 4 Dec 2025 02:20 am (UTC)I admittedly haven't been watching, but she was having some health issues a few years back. She writes, or at least wrote, YA fantasy and I enjoyed her first couple novels -- they came out around the same time as Janni's YA fantasies, and they moved in the same circles for a while.
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Date: 10 Dec 2025 12:50 pm (UTC)I think the group's general feeling about the Crimson Cloak story was that we'd all prefer to have read a story about the magic ox, who was the most intriguing character in that story, and also that some of the more interesting potential themes of that story (e.g. difference in how time passes in the two realms, grief over the loss of the mortal spouse and loss of memory of the huge time span of an immortal life, friendship with the ox after the spouse's death) weren't developed as well as they could have been.
I don't remember a ton of the discussion about Eyes like Candlelight, but I remember some discussion of not being fans of the romance component of the story (a strange case since it is one of the traditional kitsune narratives, but also, lots of these stories were doing interesting inversions and reinventions, so it wasn't entirely locked in to that).
One of the bigger things that came out of the discussion of the final story was about the message that it is okay to quit trying something like calculus when it is hard or that calculus is pointless. Some of us hadn't had a negative reaction to that, while for others it had been a particularly sour note in the story. I think part of this had to do with people's views about the value and interestingness of calculus, but another part of it that came out in the discussion was a YA fic trope of acceptable flaws for protagonists, and particularly the gendered nature of these acceptable flaws. Examples of the acceptable flaws in YA for girl protagonists were clumsiness, short temper, or bad at math (and "short temper" was the clearcut example of one that is basically never used for male protagnists in YA). So, I think some folks were not happy about a YA-ish story (or at least a story in a YA-coded volume) embracing the "give up on math" messaging as the Carp's outcome (rather than, say, persisting at working at calculus being the Carp's success-by-persistence). Since that seemed to be complicating the point it seemed like the story was trying to make for some of us, I was curious whether changing the class to Organic Chem or something else that was more tightly linked to the pre-med requirements might help.
One thing that I really liked about the last story was that Ellen was aiming to stand up for the right to not know what she wanted to do yet. One thing that I thought was well done in terms of vividly painting the characters, but which rubbed me the wrong way in terms of the family dynamics was the bit where the dad was conspiring with Ellen on how to hide the cheese doodle consumption from the mom. I guess it is mostly harmless but I don't really like "well, there are rules, but wink wink I'll help you break the rules behind the other parent's back."
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these stories! Not as good as hearing your thoughts at book club, but certainly a better option than not hearing them at all!
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Date: 11 Dec 2025 03:35 pm (UTC)Yes, this is a good point. Making a female character "bad at math" is unfortunately not a neutral choice.
This was one of those things where I liked it because I didn't like it, if that makes sense. It felt accurate to messed up family dynamics that I've experienced in my own life. I don't know if that was what the author was going for, but it still made me feel seen.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts too!