Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive92

Arbitration enforcement archives:

Alinor

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Lutrinae

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86.156.129.169 sockpuppetry

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Clarification required on scope of Israel-Palestine articles

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All articles in the Palestine-Israel conflict space are currently under a 1-revert per day restriction. There's an article - The Sergeants affair - that deals with events in July- August of 1947 (hanging of 2 British mandate soldiers by Irgun) which to me is obviously within the scope of the restriction. An editor has claimed that because Israel was only founded in 1948, and because the incident involves only Jews and British, that article is not subject to the restriction (and by implication, neither do any articles that deal with events prior to May 1948, or that do not involve both Arabs and Jews). I think that can't be right, but perhaps I'm mistaken, so I think some clarification is needed. I've asked an uninvolved administrator (AGK) who has been active in enforcing arbitration requests here, and he has voiced agreement with my view (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAGK&action=historysubmit&diff=433038275&oldid=433036853), but suggested it might be useful to ask for clarification here, as well. Red Stone Arsenal (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop making up stuff about what I said.I said that Israel was not formed at the time and that the incident involved the Jews and the British no Arabs.I did not say that all articles pre 1948 were not in the scope of the arbitration.Plus maybe someone should make it clear as to what articles are actually involved in that arbitration and also put headings on those talk pages so people know.Owain the 1st (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article on Irgun is under WP:ARBPIA, and the The Sergeants affair is about murders committed by Irgun. See Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Area of conflict. "The area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted." The phrase 'broadly interpreted' is significant. I agree that this article should have an ARBPIA banner. I see that one was placed on the talk page by Red Stone Arsenal on 6 June. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Owain, I think it is impractical to find all articles that would fall under these restrictions and place banners on them. How can we find them? Besides, on Wikipedia, new articles are created every day. Thus such a banner is only placed once someone notiices that it is due. That is my understanding; I may be wrong. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 17:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK but maybe it would be wise to inform people that if they start a page in that area that they need to put up that notice straight away to stop confusion when other people edit it.Owain the 1st (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I agree that the article is subject to ARBPIA. I just added the edit notice. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot see that you have added anything on that page.It already has the notice on the talk page Owain the 1st (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you open an edit window, you'll see a warning that editors are limited to one reversion per day. That's the edit notice. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok, I wondered what you were on about.Owain the 1st (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this article should fall under 1rr - generally I would suggest that in any situation involving editors known to be participating in I/P and in articles that could even tangentially be related to I/P it is much better to err on the side of caution, restraint and proper WP:DR venues. In general I would urge everyone to take to centralized discussions at WP:IPCOLL or specific noticeboards as soon as friction arises. unmi 17:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have removed a discussion between User:Red Stone Arsenal and several other contributors, that concerned Red Stone's history on Wikipedia and whether he had previously edited from another account. Whilst such discussions are undeniably valuable, especially in a topic area that suffers from sock-puppetry as frequently as does Israel/Palestine, the tone of the discussion was uncomfortably intense, and many of the participants were being unduly persistent. It was quite embarrassing, actually. That's a person behind that username, so enough with the hounding. Discussions concerning sock-puppetry should not be raised "since we're here", but rather in an appropriate venue—which would first be the editor's talk page, and then SPI. Take it to the appropriate place, folks. AGK [] 22:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have undid the restoration of the discussion. Just as administrators are authorised generally to put {{hat}}s over irrelevant discussion, so too can they remove discussion that is not on-topic, or is otherwise not productive or appropriate. We do not specify every minute eventuality in policy, because we follow the spirit, not the letter, of guidelines and other documents. Furthermore, this noticeboard is for the discussion of arbitration decisions that have an element of community enforcement. The above clarification thread relates to this process, but vague, not definitively–proven allegations of sock-puppetry do not. AGK [] 09:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • AGK has now twice deleted comments by six different users here that are relevant to the issue of new accounts with obviously experienced users behind them in the Israel/Palestine topic area. Interested parties may view the thread as it existed before each of his consecutive deletions here and here. Perhaps the content was technically off-topic for this thread; I had believed that the severe problem it concerns would not have been thought off-topic for this board. It's my belief that his repeated deletion was improper, but I won't engage in an edit war with him to restore the content.  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have explained my action fully. While you may say it is incorrect, it is misleading to say it is inappropriate. If asked, I would probably say that linking to the removed comments is inappropriate on your part, but I am not going to delete the diffs. Regards, AGK [] 09:41, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Headbomb

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User:Barong

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Communicat

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Dicklyon

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Russavia

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AgadaUrbanit

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Nableezy

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Anythingyouwant

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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Anythingyouwant

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement
MastCell Talk 21:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge#Ferrylodge restricted
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs) is Ferrylodge (talk · contribs). In Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge, ArbCom found that: "Ferrylodge has a long history of disruptive editing on topics related to pregnancy and abortion, but has edited reasonably on unrelated topics." As a result, Ferrylodge/Anythingyouwant is under an indefinite restriction against disrupting "any article which relates to pregnancy or abortion, interpreted broadly."

Abortion is currently subject to community-imposed 1RR. Anythingyouwant has reverted twice in the past 3 days:

Both times he's cited WP:BRD, but to this point he has not actually discussed either revert on the talk page (his last substantive contribution to Talk:Abortion was 1 month ago).

I think that repeatedly reverting a contentious article, citing WP:BRD but not actually discussing, is disruptive even though the reverts are slightly outside the official 24-hour window for 1RR. Given the pre-existing findings from the ArbCom case about Anythingyouwant's disruptive editing on abortion-related topics, I've brought this here.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
  • Anythingyouwant is aware of this sanction; previous requests for enforcement have been filed, and he petitioned (unsuccessfully) to have it lifted. No formal warning is required by the ArbCom sanction.
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
  • Topic ban from abortion (plus or minus related articles), as the ArbCom-prescribed remedy.
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Anythingyouwant

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Statement by Anythingyouwant

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I made two reverts to the article over the course of three days. My edit summaries were as follows:

(1) "Revert per WP:BRD. Pastel Kitten is correct that this longstanding image was edit-warred out of this article without consensus. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."[78]

(2) "Revert per WP:BRD. No one has asserted there is consensus to remove this longstanding image. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."[79]

MastCell apparently does not assert that I have misapplied WP:BRD, and I was not misapplying it. As MastCell knows, there was extensive discussion at the article talk page about this content issue last month.[80] MastCell was deeply involved in that discussion, and he favored removing an image that was in the article for well over a year. There was no consensus to remove the image at that time, but the image was nevertheless edit-warred out of the article, contrary to WP:BRD. Another editor (not myself) reinserted the image this week.

My edit-summaries (quoted above) were thorough and self-explanatory. No editors who seek removal of the longstanding image have commented about their recent removal at the article talk page. Despite the lack of discussion at the article talk page, I did edit the talk page today to more fully explain why I reverted them (inserting template).[81]

Please note that there was a huge RFC on this topic in 2009 here. This RFC is linked in the FAQ at the top of the article talk page. All I was doing here is implementing WP:BRD, I did not come anywhere close to violating 1RR, and I reverted two edits that were unexplained at the article talk page.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The image has again been edit-warred out of the article today without consensus or talk page discussion, which apparently is fine with MastCell and other admins. After the present attempt to delete the image from Commons is concluded, I will probably bring this matter up again at the article talk page, and restore the image to the article (pending consensus for its removal).Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Anythingyouwant

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What a weird sanction! I thought ALL wikipedians are under indefinite restrictions from disrupting ANY articles... - BorisG (talk) 00:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that 2 reverts over three days does not violate 1RR in any case ... this is a content dispute, and not a case where AYW should be punished for actually staying within the restrictions given. Nor can I view the edits as "disruptive". Please - keep content disputes out of AE. Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most disruptive editing centers around a content dispute. The two categories aren't mutually exclusive. MastCell Talk 01:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Anythingyouwant

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This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Hmm. It is true that this edit restores a contentious image; however, as far as I could tell in reading Talk:Abortion/Archive_41#Picture_of_abortion, there's no consensus on its removal, either. Anythingyouwant did fail to start the conversation again at the talk page, though. I am unwilling to enforce action against Anythingyouwant as disruptive (because I don't consider it to be disruptive), and he in theory didn't violate 1RR/day. If it were up to me, I'd rather force additional discussion on the image yet again. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 07:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chesdovi

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