Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive144
Estlandia
edit| Estlandia (formerly Miacek) is topic-banned from everything related to Poland and is also banned from interacting with MyMoloboaccount. Sandstein 14:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
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Requests by other users to stop personal attacks, after they happened after the warning
User Estlandia has been previously warned not use personal attacks against others in May 2013 and was logged into list of users warned per discretionary sanctions. Unfortunately he continued to use personal attacks and despite my request earlier and by others continues to do so. While I understand that everyone can have different views, I sincerely believe debates should be undertaken in civil manner. As the user was previously warned that the he should cease all personal attacks against others, logged in discretionary sanctions and others have at least three times asked him after this to stop personal attacks, I believe requesting enforcement in view of the above is justified. Based on the above diff's it is clear that he is not following the warning given to him earlier this year to cease personal attacks. Proposed remedy:a short block with further warning to cease personal attacks. In light of recent 36 hour block for edit warning, perhaps 48 hours. It could be then extended in case further personal attacks happen.But this is just a suggestion. Also as these kind of procedures aren't that well known to me, I might have written down some things incorrectly.For example I am not sure if the requests to remain polite and civil should be in the section they are right now.Feel free to correct me. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I can't see any explanation of actions by Estlandia below, just an attempt to deflect this situation by attacking the person who brought up his violation of warning against personal attacks. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:08, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Notified [1] Discussion concerning EstlandiaeditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by EstlandiaeditFirst thing: Darwinek's warning [2] that Molobo listed here concerned a comment on the subject of the article not any users here, as I explained, so it is clearly wrong to bring this up as evidence against me. Also calling Molobo's editing 'anti-German fanaticism' is - in the light of his whole editing history and recent edits like this - not a personal assault but a truthful characterization of the lamentable situtation. More to come. --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 12:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC) RE: Sandstein - if we are not any more dealing with civility issues but with the more general question 'who's being disruptive in which topic' I suggest you consider Molobo's conduct on German related topics, too. Nothing but hate mongering [3], POV [4] and disruption ([5], [6] - note the persistent use of inflammatory language (local Germans as 'colonists') despite being told this is not NPOV), as evident from third party reactions [7]. Was this user's edit summary ('nonsense') also an evil personal assault against Molobo? Has Molobo ever had one good word to write about Germans? This all contrasts with small-scale but constructive editing I perform on Polish topics [8], [9], [10]. If you admins find it unnecessary to consider here, I'll need to open a specific request to that effect. Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 11:47, 27 December 2013 (UTC) RE: Secret Considering Eslandia continued disruption to Polish related topics, including three different edit warring blocks in three different years - First, only the last one of those blocks had anything to do with Poland. Second, the other editor was blocked, too. Third, any user with even superficial knowledge of WP policies would understand that removing OR is not 'disruption', adding it is. Who is being disruptive here, the one who keeps adding patent OR [11] or the one who is removing it? Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 11:47, 27 December 2013 (UTC) Statement by Trust Is All You NeededitHe is rude, has insulted me on several occasions, and has this view that if you don't agree with him, you're biased, or you're pushing POV onto to WP. Any editor who opposes Estlandia edits, is referred to a POV pusher, wrong and biased. This user insults everytime he has the chance. Thirdly, and lastly, (and this is the worst bit) this user thinks he's always right, and because of that he seems to believe that he has a right to act badly towards other editors. --TIAYN (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC) Statement by (username)editResult concerning EstlandiaeditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. The request has merit. Taking into consideration that I warned Estlandia (formerly Miacek) against similar conduct in May 2013, that comments such as "primitive obdurate anti-German fanatics like you" are personal attacks that are unacceptable under any and all circumstances, that Estlandia's statement (which inadmissibly attempts to justify such remarks) indicates that they still do not understand this, and that Estlandia has a block log of topic-related misconduct going back to 2009 and was most recently blocked a few days ago for topic-related edit-warring, I believe that a topic ban from everything related to Poland is indicated, to begin with for six months.I am inviting Trust Is All You Need to back up their accusations with diffs or to retract them, because Wikipedians are not allowed to accuse others of serious misconduct without evidence (see WP:ASPERSIONS). Sandstein 23:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
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MilesMoney
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning MilesMoneyedit
Discussion concerning MilesMoneyeditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by MilesMoneyeditDarkness Shines is unhappy because I reverted (once) his attempt to archive an active discussion.[17] In the archive comment, he called us a "shower of cunts" and told us to "grow up". I asked him to self-revert and he insulted me some more. This is a violation of WP:NPA. I could respond to the diffs, but the fact is that none of them involve Austrian Economics in any way, and all of them are issues that are already being handled (or have been handled) elsewhere. This is therefore the wrong forum and this report appears to be a waste of time. I recommend trouting Darkness Shines (or worse) for both his vulgarity and for wasting everyone's time here. MilesMoney (talk) 20:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by MrXeditUmm, I think this was a community imposed sanction, so enforcement requests should be posted to WP:AN.- MrX
Statement by S. RicheditWith regard to the OUTING (#4), please see the following section on my talk page: User talk:Srich32977#Your recent edits to ANI. To recap, a comment on the ANI by MilesMoney included an IP address. I replied to the IP, who appeared to be Miles based on Miles' previous talk page history. Miles came back to the ANI and signed the comment, plus changed the comment I posted to the IP. These changes have been suppressed and I have apologized to Miles for my transgression. – S. Rich (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Result concerning MilesMoneyeditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. I am closing this section because, as MrX points out, this forum is the wrong venue in which to seek the enforcement of community sanctions. This board is for enforcing arbitral decisions only. I recommend making such requests in an administrators' noticeboard. Sandstein 20:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC) |
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Cihsai
edit| Cihsai's appeal is denied. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.
Statement by CihsaieditThe reason for the ban is: “You’ve once again reverted the lead of Hemshin peoples to remove mention of possible Armenian descent, without ever achieving consensus for your views,” Background: Back in 2007- 2008 lengthy discussions took place addressing, among others, the issue of alleged “Armenian roots”. Not only the wording but also its location within the article has been dealt with. The lead paragraph as well as the sections dealing with the history and demographics have undergone numerous changes. That discussion and editing came to a halt by end of 2008 and a fully referenced- and somehow lenghty- lead article became stable. In December 2009, a user Seth Nimbosa reorganized the article, shortening drastically the lead article (Diff). Nobody contested that edit and so that one became the stable version. In October 2012, JackalLantern introduced a sentence regarding alleged “Armenian roots” into the lead paragraph claiming he is “Restoring crucial and deliberately removed and suppressed sentence”. Looking back until 2008, I could not locate the sentence. That is to say that the claim of “restoration” does not stand. On the contrary JackalLantern has introduced a sentence into the lead paragraph without prior discussion. Reverts: Since then, the very same sentence has been removed from the lead paragraph by myself and reinserted back about a dozen times by JackalLantern and MarshallBagramyan, sometimes within hours after my action. They were very recently joined by a third user yerevantsi. During the "revert period", I have:
All the response I got was in my opinion commonplaces, such as “denying or attempting to obscure their Armenian provenance” ,“No serious scholar questions this basic fact about the Hamshens”, “Turkish nationalist propagandists “. Relevant diffs in chronological order: [18],[19],[20],[21],[22],[23],[24],[25],[26],[27],[28],[29],[30],[31],[32],[33],[34],[35]. Admin Involvement: Messages of the banning Administrator to me in my and his talk pages indicates that he has not noticed :
Conclusions: Due to above the “Ban” is not fair. It deprives me of using Wikipedia rules to influence the Article I am interested in. Also, Hemshin has no relation to Azerbaijan. This article is presumably considered under the rules of WP:ARBAA2 due to the mere fact that the users inserting the controversial sentence are involved therein. RESPONSES TO OPINIONS “UNINVOLVED EDITORS”edit
The info I present here is detailed in the diffs in my first statement above. Here,I wish to quote from Wikipedia Guidelines :
RESPONSE TO OPINION “INVOLVED EDITOR"edit
Statement by EdJohnstonedit
This saga began when MarshalBagramyan left a note on my talk:
By checking the article, I verified that Cihsai had been reverting the Hemshin peoples article with no discussion, altogether about 12 times since December 2012. Here is the note I left for User:Cihsai on 6 November. This message was hoping to persuade him to engage in discussion about the possible Armenian origin of the Hemshin peoples before reverting again:
Cihsai made a response to my notice which I didn't find convincing. After issuing an ARBAA2 warning, I offered these further suggestions:
After this exchange, Cihsai did leave a comment on talk on 14 November, but he did not wait to persuade the other editors on the talk page. He just went ahead and reverted the lead again on 24 November, 2013. At that point I decided to topic ban him from WP:ARBAA2. EdJohnston (talk) 23:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC) Statement by uninvolved User:EatsShootsAndLeaveseditThis is unfortunately a no-brainer. Edit-warring is not permitted anywhere on this project - and this seems to be the major point the appellant is forgetting. You may add or remove something once, as per WP:BOLD. When it's reverted, you may never EVER re-remove or re-add it until you have WP:CONSENSUS to do so. It really doesn't matter the nature or topic area of the article in this case - it's simple process. The fact that virtually identical changes were made again and again and again shows that this basic law of Wikipedia means little to them. As such, I'm not horrified that they're unable to edit their favourite set of topics. It's not a topic ban that's preventing you from enjoying Wikipedia: it's YOUR OWN ACTIONS that are preventing you from enjoying Wikipedia. As I see no sign of acknowledging that their behaviour was inappropriate on any article, they have shown no positive route forward, and indeed have not show proof of positive/non-problematic behaviour in other areas of the project, there's no grounds whatsoever put forward that could lead to a removal of the topic ban ES&L 16:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor 2)editDiscussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by CihsaieditCihsai, please notify all of the editors you have mentioned by name of this appeal for their comments, and I ask that those comments be brief and on point.--Tznkai (talk) 21:22, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Result of the appeal by Cihsaiedit
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Phoenix7777
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Phoenix7777edit
Phoenix7777's misbehavior has in certain extent disrupted or distracted the ongoing RM/CM. Note that Phoenix7777 was an involved party of Arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands and he has been fully aware this topic is under discretionary sanctions. He himself mentioned this discretionary sanctions on 00:49, 21 December 2013 and also ever threatened other users "risk an indefinite ban from this article." on 04:51, 23 December 2013. Phoenix7777 should be topic banned. --Lvhis (talk) 23:48, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Notified user Phoenix7777[39]. Discussion concerning Phoenix7777editStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Phoenix7777editThe contention of this RM is mostly derived from my addition of two discussions which are hardly disruptive. One is a list of users who voted Oppose and another is a section "Relevant Policies and Guidelines". These additions are quite inconvenient for users supporting the move. Lvhis and Benlisquare removed or collapsed these inconvenient additions for them. Please note that these additions are now kept in the talk page because I warned them a possible enforcement if they remove the edits again.[40][41] See my additions currently in the talk page:Talk:Senkaku Islands#Collection of oppose points, Relevant Policies and Guidelines
Note: Recently Lvhis added a list of users against retention of "Senkaku Islands"[54] by combining the section "Argument for moving to "Pinnacle Islands"" and "Argument for moving to "Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands" or "Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands"". This shows how Lvhis obsessed to these lists. I ask admins to enforce a topic ban to Lvhis and Benlisquare. Lvhis's past three month ban should be taken into consideration. Statement by UbikwiteditThough there doesn't appear to be need to admin action beyond the blocking of the SPA, I would note that there has been a dearth of substantive discussion based on RS, and an excess of appeals to statistical data in the form of readily manipulable ngrams, as demonstrated by this comment Beijing is currently buying up African media companies for example. I kept that paragraph as brief as possible, using "Sinicized" for example to describe the important distinction between different compound terms composed of Chinese characters as used in Japan and China, respectively, and would be willing to elaborate on that if it is relevant to the closing of the RM. I haven't (yet) checked to see when that misleading sentence misrepresenting the source was added to the article, but it is indicative of a general state of less than optimal editorial conduct on this contentious topic--as with many. --Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 06:38, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by (username)editResult concerning Phoenix7777editThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. I have read the requested move discussion that this concerns and intend to close it tomorrow, if nobody else does so in the meantime. I hope that closing the move discussion will moot this request, as there doesn't seem to be a very clear-cut case for action at first glance. Sandstein 00:30, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
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Yozer1
edit| Yozer1 (talk · contribs) blocked for one year by Toddst1 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Yozer1edit
This is pretty clear cut here. Yozer1 is topic banned from anything to do with AA2, which includes the Armenian Genocide. Yozer1's edits to Adana clearly violate his topic ban. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Yozer1editStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Yozer1editStatement by (username)editResult concerning Yozer1editThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. I was in-progress of a two-week block but ToddST has indef'fed. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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RoslynSKP
edit| RoslynSKP is blocked for two weeks. This activates her ban from editing any article relating to Turkish military history in and predating World War I, as provided for in the Committee's decision. Sandstein 11:16, 2 January 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning RoslynSKPedit
Discussion concerning RoslynSKPeditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by RoslynSKPeditI am sorry that I have contravened the revert part of the ruling. It was not my intention to do so and it was only after the event that I realised my mistake. Since then, I have taken my concerns about the article to the talk page, in particular here [60], and here [61] but it appears that quite important information, which I have also detailed here [62], continues to be cut by Jim Sweeney. --Rskp (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by EatsShootsAndLeaveseditWell, it appears that the editor did not understand the definition of a revert, and has acknowledged such. That, combined with the possibility that there were no intervening edits (which would possibly make it a single revert), IMHO, we let the editor off with a warning at this point in time. Their edits have been problematic - hence their restrictions are in place. Skirting the edges, or making any edit(s) that appear problematic are just as dangerous ES&L 13:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Comment by Nick-DeditRoslynSKP has recently been pushing against an editing restriction and ignoring the concerns over her conduct which were raised in the arbitration case:
I think that it's really disappointing that RoslynSKP is making the same basic mistakes which lead to the arbitration case so soon, and it must be very frustrating for the other editors who are working on these articles. I'd strongly encourage her to "drop the stick" over these issues, and move on. Nick-D (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Comments by MarcusBritishedit
I think it would be more accurate to note that RoslynSKP is on a "suspended topic ban" which is technically a form of probation than a declined topic ban, ergo they did not make it so that this case has to take standard baby steps through all forms of dispute resolution to achieve a result, it has already been processed at the highest level by ArbCom as the end result and the ruling provides a clause for admins to skip lower forms of resolution–notably because they have proved ineffective due to RoslynSKP's unwillingness to cooperate with involved or third-parties–and move directly to blocks with the added notion that the topic ban be unsuspended. I think all the prattle being discussed above undermines not only ArbCom's ruling, but is seriously disrespectful to the MilHist project and those parties who put dozens of hours into presenting an ArbCom case from 2 years of unstable edit history across dozens of articles, only to have admins come along and make low-quality and even more arbitrary determinations as to what should and should not be done about the matter. The fact remains that the ArbCom case presents a chain of paperwork proving the disruptions at hand, and the further fact remains that not only have lessons not been learned as a result of the case, but that admins are unwilling to consider that several MilHist members invested a lot of time into bringing this case forward to secure a result. Whilst each disruption as a whole may appear a "low grade edit war" as Tznkai puts it, we should remember that a whole is the sum of its parts. A minor slap on RoslynSKP's wrist for this ANZAC article isn't going to do anything to prevent her from carrying on across the numerous other articles she has disrupted previously, against Jim Sweeney. This reads to me like a court making a ruling but the police can't be arsed to arrest the offender. How, Tznkai, can you only suggest that "both parties need to start working together" when we have 2-years of this proving impossible? Do you think if anyone thought this would work it would ever have gone to ArbCom in the first place? Both parties have different views on the content of the articles being disputed, but where Jim is generally open to comment and able to provide a variety of sourcing, RoslynSKP is firm in her opinions, unwilling to give ground and often won't provide sourcing beyond a few choice titles. It's like arguing with a fundamentalist who only cites the Bible as "fact" against all else man has ever learned and published.. if you've ever been in one of those debates you'll know how inflexible, determined and often blind-sighted they can be against all reason, and it is that very reason that is undermining resolution of this case, because no matter how many times you argue with RoslynSKP, no matter how many talk pages or noticeboards or ANI threads you take her to, she can't see past the end of her own nose. One week after the ArbCom case ruling she reopened the "Ottoman vs Turkey" debate on MilHist.. after 2 years of defending her castle do you really believe she's going to bend and see reason on a talk page with the very editor who she reverts more than anyone? Pah! IMO, we're dealing with an overwhelming egotist now, more than a reasonable editor. The only way to deal with someone like this is to come down harder on them, not pussyfoot around them, which is simply playing into their hands. As someone once said, possibly TomStar81, once you start blocking bad editors and wasting their time instead of ours life can get very difficult and the need to cooperate becomes more apparent. Being a member of Wiki is not a right if you're going to abuse it, and all the evidence suggests that RoslynSKP is willing to keep stepping on toes to have her own way. Clearly ArbCom needs to impose stronger remedies and less leniency to reduce the chances of that and the fallout this case is having. I could support a number of motions suggested by HJ Mitchell but I don't think they're broad enough as proposed to avoid carry-over from one article to another. All I can see is a chain of these useless WP:AE requests resulting in nothing but bureaucracy with little or no action at the end of consequence. Jim Sweeney suffers, MilHist suffers, Wiki suffers.. those are the victims here. TLDR; This WP:AE is proving pointless as people are unwilling to act on the established facts and by playing "by the rulebook" too closely it's resulting in too much freedom for RoslynSKP to cause mischief and fly under the radar of ArbCom and its rulings. Jim Sweeney is receiving more flak than deserved, which is good for RoslynSKP (and probably a motive for her) as it dirties his name and could allow for a witch hunt against her detractors in MilHist, but this doesn't help matters as far as the wider disruptions are concerned. Ma®©usBritish{chat} 05:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by TomStar81editAlright, everyone please take a deep breathe and let it out slowly. Then lets remember that by allowing ourselves to be agitated over this issue RSKP wins, so the less we debate the (in)action here the better it is for all of us. I for one have no intention of letting this issue run my life, that is why I've commented here only in a limited capability. The longer this gets drawn out and the more we invest into it the more wound up we are going to be, so lets all remember that we are and rightly should be editors first, ok? Once we remember who we are then we remember that this is all above our pay grade, meant to be left to the people who participate here cuz its what they do, not what we do. Each editor depends on one another to help support them in their hour of need, and editors in turn rely and admins to act or refrain from acting fro the betterment of the project. If it makes you feel better here, remember that RSKP's got a whole year - thats 52.5 weeks, 365.25 days, 525,600 minutes, etc - to make the needed alterations to her behavior. Missing the first mine in a minefield doesn't mean the field won't work in the long run, and to get bent out of a shape over it is ridiculous in my opinion. Let it go. That is my advice, and while it may not be what you want, it is most certainly what you all need to do. Let it go, before it become the all consuming factor that dictates your wiki-life. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC) According to the ArbCom group I'm an involved editor, so I accept that this will be moved to my section above sooner or later (more probably the former than the latter), however I wanted to point out that an uninvolved admin could approach this issue from a different perspective by applying page protection to the articles in question for a 72 hour period to see if that would help. Blocking would be more preferable, I agree, but page protection would split the difference between the two parties by keeping rskp off the pages for a total of three days, and to serve as a visual show of force regarding the interpretation of the affiliated arbcom case. To affect this would require full protection, which in turn would support the position of collaboration by leaving only the talk pages of the articles in question open to editing. Its one of many solutions, I grant, but I thought it may be something the uninvloved may wish to consider as a possible course of action. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by Jim SweeneyeditCan this edit also be checked, [65] in my belief its against the first Arbcom restriction. RoslynSKP is indefinitely prohibited from changing 'Turkey' or 'Turkish' to 'Ottoman' on any article. By adding a map of the 1913 Ottoman Empire to an article about a British Empire (Australian/British/New Zealand) army formation, that was formed in 1916. Not only is the reason for its use doubtful in this article, by adding Ottoman an article where Turkish is in use, is surely against the restriction. Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:57, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Statement by NE EnteditThe difficulty ya'll are having coming to a consensus is due to the fact the binary nature of the case remedy removes your discretion, leaving you with two no so great choices. I've filed an amendment request to the (new) committee to hopefully remedy the remedy. NE Ent 23:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC) Comment by Beyond My Kenedit...or, you could just apply some good old fashioned common sense mixed in with a bit of IAR, take account of the fact the RSKP doesn't seem interested in changing her behavior, despite the ruling against her, slap a stern final warning on her that she got away with it once, but that's the end of the line, and if she does it again, block her indef. A little less bureaucracy and hand-wringing, please, and a little more protecting the project from disruption would be appreciated. You're not judges (or Talmudic scholars, for that matter), this is not a court of law, and there is no need or expectation for justice, only for taking measures which make it easier for others to build an encyclopedia. Eyes on the prize, please. Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:35, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Result concerning RoslynSKPeditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. If I'm not mistaken, the four edits listed at WP:AN/I were made consecutively with no intervening edits by another user, meaning they count as only one revert, so it looks to me as if this request is not actionable. Gatoclass (talk) 12:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Having taken a closer look at the article's history page, it appears to me that RoslynSKP may indeed have breached her 1RR restriction and on more than one occasion. I'm still checking the diffs but I think I should be able to post some evidence shortly. Gatoclass (talk) 08:41, 29 December 2013 (UTC) @Jim Sweeney:, the restriction is against changing Turkey to Ottoman, not adding information that references the Ottoman empire. I did see that edit and find it questionable, but that it is a content call, and does not fit within the sanctions levied by ArbCom. ArbCom had the opportunity to grant discretion to administrators or levy different sanctions. They did not. We are unable to expand or re-litigate here. I am also loathe to allow even the appearance of allowing users to even accidentally win a content dispute by taking advantage of an editor's restrictions. We will see what Gatoclass comes up with.--Tznkai (talk) 09:04, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, having taken another look at the article history, it appears to me that a breach of RoslynSKP's revert restriction has indeed occurred. Per the original case, Rosylyn was prohibited from making more than one revert on a given page in a 72-hour period. Roslyn made an edit on 22:56 25 December with the edit summary reinsert notable campaign and battles in infobox per Template. Without this information readers may not know when and where the division served,[67] a revert of this edit. Jim Sweeney then made a number of intervening edits (example[68])and on 00:04 27 December RoslynSKP made another edit, with the edit summary reinstate direct quote in note for clarity as the paraphrase is misleading[69] which is clearly a revert of this edit by Jim Sweeney. That's two reverts in little more than 24 hours. I should add that this is not the only content Roslyn reverted in the space of about 24 hours, but because she broke her reverts over a sequence of consecutive edits, it's not so easy to show how much content was reverted in violation of her 72-hour 1RR. Additionally, I note that at 00:08 27 December, RoslynSKP repeated her revert of 25 December with the edit summary reinsert notable battles in infobox per template guide[70] which under the circumstances might be considered edit warring, especially since this is at least the third time she has added this info. This is not the only example of repeated restoration of contested content that Roslyn has engaged in on this page over the last few days, as noted above. I might add with regard to two of RoslynSKP's reverts listed above[71][72] that they arguably breach the spirit if not the letter of her prohibition on changing 'Turkey' or 'Turkish' to 'Ottoman' on any article; I think Roslyn would be well advised to steer clear of any content related to the naming controversy. Regardless, this request does appear to be actionable after all. Gatoclass (talk) 09:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Considering:
I am blocking RoslynSKP for two weeks, as discussed above. Because the block is for misconduct relating to Turkish military history, it activates the topic ban as provided for in the Committee's decision. This is of course without prejudice to any changes the Committee may wish to make as a result of another user's recent request for the amendment of the decision. Sandstein 11:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC) |
Matthead
edit| Matthead is blocked for two weeks. Sandstein 16:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Mattheadedit
"Matthead (talk · contribs) indefinitely topic-banned from Poland and Poles as explained and detailed here"
Numerous previous warnings.
Discussion concerning MattheadeditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by MattheadeditStatement by (username)editResult concerning MattheadeditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. This is a clear violation of the topic ban I imposed in 2010. Considering the two previous one-week enforcement blocks, I am blocking the user for two weeks and reverting the ban violation. Sandstein 16:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC) |
Sean.hoyland
edit| This is a content dispute and so is not actionable in this forum, please see WP:DR for steps you can take. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Sean.hoylandedit
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kokhav_Ya%27akov&oldid=589301332
(cur | prev) 15:45, 5 January 2014 Sean.hoyland (talk | contribs) . . (4,948 bytes) (+379) . . (Undid revision 589279990 by 79.182.18.40 (talk) necessary and accurate) (undo) (cur | prev) 12:17, 5 January 2014 79.182.18.40 (talk) . . (4,569 bytes) (-379) . . (Following removed. Unecessary, inaccurate, and offensive to residents. (edit by Kochav Yaakov resident):) (undo) The editor Sean.holyland is perpetuating an irrelevant statement about the subject town. The statement is political propaganda that has nothing to do with the town itself. It is patently offensive to the residents of this town, of which I am one. The international communities alleged opinion of a town is not an encyclopedic fact about the town. The following statement was removed and should not be included with the entry: The international community considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal under international law, but the Israeli government disputes this.
Discussion concerning Sean.holylandeditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Sean.holylandeditStatement by (username)editResult concerning Sean.hoylandeditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. This is a dispute about article content and as such not actionable. The arbitration process, and by extension the discretionary sanctions system authorized through it, can only address conduct problems. Disagreements about content must be resolved through the normal dispute resolution process (WP:DR). If I am not mistaken, there have already been extensive community discussions about statements such as the one being disputed here. I don't know where to find them, or what the result (if any) was, but you can ask experienced editors in this topic area, of which Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs) is one, about these prior discussions. If no administrator objects, this request can be closed now. Sandstein 19:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC) |
Jaqeli
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Jaqeliedit
User:Jaqeli has been edit warring in the article Georgian alphabet in 2013 an 2014, reverting the edits of four other editors: Hablabar, Хаченци, Roses&Guns and Zimmarod. It seems he tries to WP:OWN the article by reverting passages he does not like, without explanation, and displays WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude on talk pages and in edit summaries. He was warned several times to no avail.
Discussion concerning JaqelieditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by JaqelieditHello dear admins and sorry for late respond. First of I am glad that the Georgian alphabet article got finally your attention indirectly but still and I hope that from now on you'll be watching this article very closely as it gets very often vandalised by the Armenian wikipedians as they are trying 24/7 to push their nationalistic agenda on this very article. I want to go deep into this issue and inform you a bit more about it. All these users that user Hablabar listed are Armenian wikipedians and all of them try to simply push the nationalistic agenda on the Georgian alphabet. This is not a surprise for most Georgians as if anyone who is familiar with the history of Caucasus and this region and the Georgian-Armenian relations he will understand this nationalistic pushings from their side very well. I'd like you to know that the issue concerning the Georgian alphabet is very important for them and that's why majority of the users editing this article are Armenians. Armenian children at schools are brought up with that knowledge that their national hero Mesrop Mashtots created for us an alphabet. For example if you go to the Matenadaran which is their some kind of manuscripts center you will be directly told that it was Mesrop who created the Georgian alphabet and so on. Again this is not a surprise for me at all, but spreading such kind of lies on the international arena is unacceptable. This article for years is being vandalised by various users and this kind of behaviour needs to be ended once and for all. The origin section of the article gets messy all the time and it needs to be on high alert from the wikipedian admins and I do really hope that from now on you will monitor all the edits done by any user. Everything should be done for protection of this article from further disruption. Please see also the article Mesrop Mashtots here. It proudly states:
Another typical nationalistic pushing from our neighbours. It states something which is not an established fact and never was. If you will see the article of Georgian alphabet in Armenian wikipedia you'll meet Mr. Mashtots inpictured there by stating directly who the creator of the Georgian alphabet is. I want you to know that the Georgian alphabet is not the only one thing which is claimed by the Armenian side. To know these kind of things one should know the history of this region deeply to understand. As for the article itself. I want to note that I've improved the article greatly with sources, cleaned the sections, improved the histories of three scripts and none of them ever were disrupted. The only thing which needs to be monitored very closely is the Origins section of the alphabet which gets vandalised in a constant manner. Also the current version which is in the origins section is not mine but was done by the User:Susuman77 who indeed in a balanced and neutral way rewrote the origins section so I am not messing with it around. What I did I just reverted it back to the user Susuman's version which was removed and changed by the Armenian users with their nationalistic needs. Again, I do hope that the admins will closely monitor the article and it will be protected from now on. Thank you. And happy new year to you all. Jaqeli (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC) I was asked again to comment here. Honestly I don't think there is anything I can add as I've said everything. I just want to note that none of my edits ever were of disruptive manner as I am here for contribution for Wikipedia only. I suggested to the user Hablavar to see what the edit-war actually meant because if you see the history of the Georgian alphabet I haven't edit war but just improved the article and reverted 1 edit back to the original state as it was back then before it's neutral and balanced version was changed. I am on Wiki for improvement and contribution of articles and what I've posted above I don't think was in any way offensive for anyone as it is the truth in many ways. Thanks. Jaqeli (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by RichwaleseditAlthough there was a history here of edit-warring involving Jaqeli — over the question of how to deal with two competing claims for the origin of the Georgian alphabet (an Armenian origin supported by most scholars, and an indigenous Georgian origin dismissed by most scholars as being legendary) — the current set of edits by Jaqeli (see this series of edits) doesn't really seem to me to be objectionable along those lines. One valid point Jaqeli has made in his current edits is that, although two sources (Rapp and Haarmann) have been cited to support the claim that the Georgian alphabet was created in the early 5th century AD, the Rapp source says in fact that "all three Caucasian scripts were fashioned ... in the second half of the fourth century or early fifth century". So Jaqeli's changing the paragraph starting with "The scholarly consensus points" to indicate both "4th century AD" (citing Rapp) and "at the latest in the early 5th century" (citing Haarmann) seems to have merit. Whether an earlier failure to make this distinction clear qualifies as "removal of sourced info" (Jaqeli's edit summary for this diff) — or whether Jaqeli was thinking of some other issue, not obvious to me at the moment, when he used this particular edit summary language — may be up for debate. I will also note that a source which was removed by Jaqeli's latest edits — a mention of The Routeldge Handbook of Scripts and Alphabets, saying that "like the Armenian [alphabet], the Georgian is clearly based on a Greek model" — appears relevant to me, and I'm not sure why Jaqeli removed it. Generally speaking, I'm impressed that Jaqeli's latest edits did not upset the existing consensus (see this version just before Jaqeli's latest editing), which stated that the Georgian tradition ascribing the invention of the alphabet to the 3rd-century-BC king Pharnavaz I is rejected by scholarly consensus. Given Jaqeli's past record, I do think he needs to work especially hard on being more careful in explaining his editing and seeking genuine consensus with others working on this and other articles with him. However, this particular set of edits by Jaqeli do not seem to me to justify AE action at this time. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 01:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Yerevantsi: I don't think it's in dispute that much of Jaqeli's past behaviour has been disruptive. However, since the aim of any sanctions should be preventative rather than punitive, I think it's important for us to focus most closely at this time on Jaqeli's current behaviour. If his current behaviour shows the same objectionable, disruptive actions now that have plagued Jaqeli's record in the past, then the old stuff is indeed relevant. However, if Jaqeli's behaviour has in fact improved, we should concentrate primarily on that. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 01:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Hablabar: I didn't say that Jaqeli's behaviour has improved. I said that if Jaqueli's behaviour has improved, we should concentrate primarily on that fact and not on older actions. And my comment about how sanctions are supposed to be preventative and not punitive is accepted on Wikipedia as a general truism (see WP:PUNITIVE). I'm not trying to babysit or coddle Jaqeli; I'm only saying that if we are going to find him in violation of AA2 and sanction him on that basis, we need to do so on the basis of reasonably current misbehaviour on his part — and, in my opinion, Jaqeli's most current work cited in this complaint does not appear to satisfy that standard (though I will acknowledge that others might not agree with me on this). It may be that his earlier activity (even though 3+ weeks old) is sufficient for taking action, but in that case, the case for AE sanctions should be based specifically and explicitly on that earlier activity, and (IMO) not on the most recent set of edits. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 04:35, 3 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by YerevantsieditJaqeli has made a number of offensive comments. The one I can recall right now is "No more Armenian fairy tales here", referring to the claim (supported by several non-Armenian academic sources) that Mesrop Mashtots, the inventor of the Armenian alphabet invented or made contribution to the invention of the Georgian alphabet. He went on to call it "the most funny joke in the region" on 22 Sep 2013. On December 5, 2013 he simply removed the Russian and Ukrainian names of Sergei Parajanov, an Armenian filmmaker from Georgia who lived in the Soviet Union, where Russian was the official language and many of his films are in Russian and Ukrainian. With no edit summary, he replaced it with his Georgian name (no objection here, since he has several movies in Georgian and was from Georgia). This is disruptive. --Երևանցի talk 01:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Richwales: My comment is for uninvolved administrators. Let them decide what matters and what doesn't. Thanks. --Երևանցի talk 01:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by Hablabaredit@Richwales. First off, I do not have the impression that User:Richwales fully understands what AA2 imply. Your comment that "Jaqeli's behaviour has in fact improved" and "since the aim of any sanctions should be preventative rather than punitive" are not in line with the logic of AA2 environment in which this article had been placed because of editors like Jaqeli. Please do not babysit someone who has been trying to WP:OWN the text and repeatedly attack other editors. Hablabar (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Callanecc. It is difficult to accept User:Callanecc's proposal. Jaqeli's defense statement is as inappropriate as any statement can possibly get, especially in the AA2 environment. Hablabar (talk) 00:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by DougwellereditI wish User:Elockid was around, but he's been away for a while now. He unblocked Jaqeli when Jaqeli accepted the standard offer - his promise to behave is here.[76] Elockid found it necessary to warn him in late November and even suggested a 1RR restriction might be necessary if his behavior continued.[77] I'm disturbed that Jaqeli hasn't responded here, and that his behavior since the unblock has not lived up to his promises. He's skating close to the edge, and sometimes over it, and that isn't acceptable. He's posted a bit to talk pages but I don't see him entering into a full discussion of his edits. I'm dithering between suggesting a 1RR restriction now and postponing a decision, but his lack of participation doesn't really show the attitude that we need in this area so if I have to choose I'd support something like a 1RR restriction. Dougweller (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by EatsShootsAndLeaveseditI just have to say that Jaqeli's statement is extremely offensive... blaming "all the problems" on nationalists from another country is in and of itself negatively nationalist. It goes to show the background and genesis of all his on-Wiki issues. Such blame is neither appropriate nor acceptable on this project. ES&L 21:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by SarekOfVulcaneditAlmost immediately after acknowledging he had seen Sandstein's topic ban imposition, he closed a year-old merge discussion on Romanization of the Georgian alphabet by (sort of) merging the articles in question. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username)editResult concerning JaqelieditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Jaqeli has edited since the request, but has not commented here. At first glance, I'm inclined to follow Richwales's assessment, and conclude that a report that contains only one recent diff doesn't seem immediately actionable. That diff is not a model of good editing practice, to be sure (it seems to be a flat revert that reintroduces since-fixed spelling errors such as "archaelogical", and isn't well explained) but on its own it doesn't seem to merit action other than a warning to Jaqeli to make sure to follow good editing practices and avoid edit wars in order to avoid sanctions. But there are indications that Jaqeli's editing is problematic and may require sanctions if it does not improve. The "No more Armenian fairy tales here" comment, for instance, is unacceptable, but it is from September 2013 and as such too stale to sanction now. The discussion at Talk:Georgian alphabet#comparison with Armenian reflects frayed tempers on both sides; please tone it down, everybody, and be mindful of WP:AGF. If there is continued edit-warring on this page, sanctions such as article bans or revert restrictions may need to be considered. Sandstein 22:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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Jaqeli has been on Wikipedia since November 2011 and he has an impressive block log. When User:Hablabar filed this complaint, he focused on User:Jaqeli's edits at Georgian alphabet and its talk page. This is not the only problem. There have been wider issues with Jaqeli's Georgian-related edits as you can see per this warning of a possible 1RR issued by User:Elockid in November. (Thanks to User:Dougweller for the information). Jaqeli's response to the warning suggests he doesn't grasp the edit warring policy or know the definition of vandalism, even after two years on WP. A WP:1RR in the domain of AA including Georgian topics would serve to limit Jaqeli's warlike editing in the Georgian area while still letting him make contributions in the area of his knowledge. Jaqeli should also be warned against nationalistic comments on talk and in edit summaries. See also the unblock conditions which Jaqeli accepted last July. Jaqeli has previously edited as User:GeorgianJorjadze, but all his contributions and block log are now under Jaqeli. EdJohnston (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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Baseball Bugs
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Baseball Bugsedit
"Baseball Bugs (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed. He is also topic banned from all pages (including biographies) related to leaks of classified information, broadly construed. "
Discussion concerning Baseball BugseditStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Baseball BugseditIf I had thought that reasonable question was some sort of violation, I wouldn't have asked it. Shall I delete it and use it to improve my consciousness of this topic ban? I've studiously avoided NSA-related stuff, which was what triggered this topic ban in the first place. I don't have any biases against transgender people. On the contrary, I'm sympathetic. I do have strong opinions about Americans that to me appear to be undermining America - which is why I try to stay away from such topics. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by MedeiseditIt may not be to my advantage commenting here, but having answered the question at hand, I feel I have to comment. This question of sex change and sexuality was first asked at the Ref Desk a month ago. Personally familiar with the topic, I responded then with a reference then and followed up with a documentary link once I could find it. When the question was asked again ("Sexual preferences of transgendered people"), I linked back to the earlier discussion. Bugs then asked the entirely appropriate question regarding the new thread's title, "Is "preference" really the right word here, or is it "orientation"?" This is entirely benign, and, in fact, helpful in regard to LGTB consensus on the issue. I do not think it in any way violates the spirit of the topic ban, nor that any sanction is called for. μηδείς (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username)editResult concerning Baseball BugseditThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
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Avaya1
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Avaya1edit
Discussion concerning Avaya1editStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Avaya1editThere's no 1RR violation since the two edits on each of the days are reverting the same edit by you, simply doing so in two parts. Perhaps there is something like 20 hours between them instead of 24, but they are on different days. On the subject of your edits, there is no reason to insert his old name into every sentence - there's no precedent for doing this on any other biographical article here. He is referred to as Sharon in all the sources that are being cited, therefore we will use the name that all the sources give him, and that is commonly used by everyone else (it is basic WP:Verifiability to call him Sharon)Avaya1 (talk) 22:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC).
Statement by SepsiseditAvaya1, slow down and use the talk page especially when editing articles around Israel, Palestine. Ohconfucius is only trying to improve the article, if you think his edits were wrong talk with him. That said, I do question whether a revert purely over wikipedia style, whether to use the subject's former or current name in a few sentences, should fall under IP area sanctions which were designed to keep down POV pushers and their ideological edit warring, not stylists. Sepsis II (talk) 03:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Result concerning Avaya1editThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
Ohconfucius has been editing to add Sharon's birth name 'Sheinerman' to some locations in Sharon's article on the grounds that he was known that way at the time. He first did so in this edit:
For clarity, here are the two reverts by Avaya1 within 24 hours: 1. Avaya1's edit of 22:12, 4 January 2014
2. Avaya1's edit of 19:50, 5 January 2014
Avaya1's block log shows two previous blocks for 1RR violations, so you can see the case for another block. Avaya1 broke 1RR as recently as December 2013 on the Ovadia Yosef article but on that occasion he was excused without a block. We sometimes let these 1RRs pass with only a warning if we have confidence they won't be soon repeated, but I don't feel that confidence here. Avaya1's own statement above denies that he broke the 1RR. If he doesn't grasp the concept of 1RR it is risky for him to be working in ARBPIA. EdJohnston (talk) 02:44, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Fighting over names have always been a touchy subject. This... isn't great, but on the other hand, I think it's too much to just topic-ban from this violation. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 17:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Darkness Shines
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.
Statement by Darkness ShineseditThe sanction is flawed, I cannot be prohibited from reverting BLP violations, reverting BLP violations is policy. Sandstein also wrote as his rationale for imposing this bollocks, "To prevent continued disruption by you," As there has been no disruption from me at all since the article was unprotected I can only see this as punitive, not preventative. I am also of the opinion that as the closer of the AFD for the article which has led to this bollocks he is involved, as it was he who decided that BLP did not apply. It also strikes me as off that Sandstein did not mention any sanctions until I question his closure, which makes this look as petty as it obviously is. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC) @MrX: That is a guideline, not a policy. I have the right to clear my talk page, and I will be damned before I let that giant banner sit at the top of my talk like a badge of shame. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:50, 8 January 2014 (UTC) @Sandstein: @SirFozzie: This sanction means I cannot revert even obvious BLP violations such as this or all of these or how about "Delingpole is indeed a stupid unscientific denier and promotes ignorant anti-science views". Darkness Shines (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC) @A Quest For Knowledge: How I plan to deal with it is obvious, see any reverts by me on that article since it was unprotected? Darkness Shines (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Obviously IQs are the usual, I am effectively topic banned. Any edit to existing content is a revert, and once this joke is over, were do I appeal? Darkness Shines (talk) 01:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by SandsteineditMy restriction excludes (alleged) BLP violations because the edits by Darkness Shines that caused this sanction illustrate that Darkness Shines believes that their interpretation of the BLP policy, even when contested in good faith by multiple other editors, gives them license to edit-war at will. They do not appear to accept that legitimate disagreements about the BLP policy must be resolved through the appropriate consensus-based processes (in this case, the then-ongoing AfD discussion). Therefore, if my sanction did not exclude what Darkness Shines believes to be BLP policy violations, they would continue to edit-war based on their interpretation of that policy, and the sanction would have no preventative effect. Based on the general discretionary sanctions authorization, administrators may take "any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project", which includes sanctions of this type. If there are genuine BLP policy violations in an article covered by the sanction, Darkness Shines remains free to call them to any other editor's attention, but it is apparent from the background of this sanction that they cannot be relied upon to correctly identify and appropriately respond to such violations themselves. There might have been some doubt about which kinds of BLP-based reverts my sanction would exclude if I had not explicitly mentioned them in my sanctions. Per WP:BANEX, in the context of bans, only "obvious" BLP policy violations are exempt, but per WP:3RRNO, in the context of revert restrictions, " libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material that violates the policy on biographies of living persons" is excluded – that is, not only "obvious" cases. To avoid doubt about which standard to apply, and because Darkness Shines can (as explained above) not be relied upon to correctly identify actual BLP policy violations in any case, I specified that (alleged) BLP policy violations of any sort are not excluded from the restriction. As concerns Darkness Shines's doubts about the motivation of my sanction because they appealed an AfD closure I made (the appeal was filed some 20 minutes after I closed the discussion), they are unfounded. Both my AfD closure and the sanction are actions of an administrative nature, which means that per WP:UNINVOLVED they do not trigger concerns of bias. In addition, Darkness Shines should have voiced such concerns when I gave them the opportunity to voice objections before imposing sanctions. They did not voice any objections but said: "Sanction away." Any objections made now are belated and should not be heard. The appeal should therefore be declined. Sandstein 23:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by NomoskedasticityeditDS wants to act unilaterally to impose his own take on BLP whatever the views of other editors on the topic: [83]. In this context, the sanction is appropriate. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by MrXeditDarkness Shines has repeatedly ignored consensus and demonstrated a profound lack of understanding about WP:BLP and other policies, examples of which are abundant at Talk:List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming. There seems to be an attempt by this user to prevail in a content dispute by edit warring, forum shopping and repeating arguments that have been soundly rejected by other editors.- MrX 20:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC) He has also removed the sanction notice, which I believe is required to remain in place according to WP:REMOVED.- MrX 20:45, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 3)editDiscussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Darkness ShineseditStatement by The Devil's AdvocateeditThe exact wording of the sanction in this case is actually inappropriate. Exemptions for edit-warring only apply to obvious violations of BLP, such as unsourced contentious claims, and that does not cover this case. A simple 1RR would suffice, though DS should be mindful of the exact circumstances where the edit-warring exemption applies.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 18:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
AQFK, the restriction Sandstein imposed covers any BLP violations and vandalism, including the kind that no one needs to be told should be reverted on sight. I fail to see how restricting him to just one revert with no exemptions would be a problem.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 18:53, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by A Quest for KnowledgeeditDarkness Shines edit-warred against consensus breaking at least 6RR.[84][85][86][87][88][89]. The only thing that stopped the edit-warring was that the page was locked. There is no excuse for such blatant misconduct. Given the circumstances, the AE sanction is more than reasonable. Darkness Shines has not acknowledged why such conduct is unacceptable, nor have they provided an explanation as to how they plan on preventing such misconduct in the future. Therefore, I recommend that this appeal be declined. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Result of the appeal by Darkness Shinesedit
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