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Raiden (series)

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Fails WP:GNG, no notability demonstrated independent of the series' games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:04, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - This nomination isn't really sufficient for a series article. Many of entries have their own articles. Are you suggesting that they're all non-notable? Or that the games are, but the series somehow isn't? Where are you going with this? Sergecross73 msg me 15:27, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They nominated the company article (MOSS) to be deleted which ended up redirected here. Now they're nominating this article for deletion as well. To me it just says: "I'm not familiar with shmups; therefore, they aren't notable enough." I agree the series article could use some work but I won't bother if it will end up nominated over and over again until it's deleted. Jotamide (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hoping this isn't an attempt at "indirect deletion" like that. But either way, this was a poor nom. The nominator is experienced and should know better. I'm waiting to see if they plan on expanding their rationale before I give an official "speedy keep - invalid nom" rationale. Sergecross73 msg me 01:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per Sergecross73's comment. Deleting the series article would be counterproductive when multiple games in this franchise are notable. Nominator needs to provide better rationale for deletion. MidnightMayhem (talk) 18:56, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per the sources already present, and related wiki articles. Svartner (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - invalid, WP:ATA deletion rationale (WP:JNN). There's a ton of reliable source coverage present in the individual games (Raiden 1 has over 100 sources in it alone) so it's insufficient to simply vaguely allude to a lack of notability in the series itself. Could someone, conceptually, argue that a series article isn't necessary? I'm not sure I agree with the notion, but hypotherically, a plausible argument could be crafted. But this isn't it. Sergecross73 msg me 14:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What I mean in the rationale was that it has no independent notability per MOS:VGSERIES. As I did not nominate any of the games, I obviously didn't mean to say that the games weren't notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:11, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eke Chukwu

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I can't see anything suggesting notability as we define it. Autobiography of actor playing minor parts and making his own non-notable films. Refs are junk like IMDB and the Express too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe that the Internet Movie Database and the Daily Express newspaper are junk. The IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content where you can find ratings and reviews for the newest movie and TV shows. The Daily Express is, according to Wikipedia: A national daily United Kingdom middle-market newspaper printed in tabloid format. Published in London, it is the flagship of Express Newspapers, owned by publisher Reach plc. It was first published as a broadsheet in 1900 by Sir Arthur Pearson. Its sister paper, the Sunday Express, was launched in 1918. In June 2022, it had an average daily circulation of 201,608. To call these reference sources 'Junk' appears to be disingenuous. Ekechukwu (talk) 11:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Imdb is junk to be frank, it's user contributed, so we can't trust anything that's published there. Oaktree b (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ekechukwu, perhaps "junk" was a bit strong, but IMDB is not acceptable here because its entries can be self-created and self-edited, and the Express, along with the Mail and Sun are seen here as unreliable. The only UK papers viewed as good independent sources are the Guardian, the Times, the Telegraph, the FT and their Sunday equivalents. In any case, the issue is more about whether you meet Wikipedia:Notability (people) than the sources Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:21, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have removed the IMDb cites, as they are not acceptable to use as sources in the text, and I requested cites for the unreferenced assertions. Now it will be easier for people to evaluate the sources that do appear in the entry. Certainly this article should be trimmed of much of the trivia per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I don't see anything about this person, some theatre reviews are posted, but they're more about the overall production, than about this person. Has had a long career, but appears non-notable. Oaktree b (talk) 16:50, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The only sources I could find were directory listings on IMDb, Tubi, Rotten Tomatoes, and similar websites listing works by this subject. A search of books and newspapers turned up nothing substantive. If the unsourced or poorly sourced material were removed, we would be left with just a list of appearances that doesn't meet WP:CREATIVE. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:59, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lack of non-iMDb sources/significant coverage and article was created for promotional purposes. Go D. Usopp (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Ekechukwu, You might not be aware of our concerns that poorly sourced articles are being used as an excuse by powerful critics to try to take away our charitable status. Bearian (talk) 04:50, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thrive (video game)

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Non-notable video game. Subject to a successful 2015 AFD but a more complete demo/version seems to be out now. Currently lacks a Reception section and looks like there isn't much in the way of substantive reviews: no Metacritic entry and so nothing to suggest any critical reaction. Current sourcing is extremely WP:PRIMARY and WP:USERG heavy - the developer wiki, community forum, GitHub repo and YouTube make regular appearances. I think we can say The Cinemaholic is not an RS without looking into it, and GamingOnLinux is apparently not so helpful for notability for WP:VG/S. On coverage, that leaves:

- The Kill Screen article, which is helpful and has some brief evaluative remarks, although isn't a strong indication of reception;
- The Game Rant listicle, which merely describes the game and calls it "promising".

So it's close, but just lacks any strong evaluative element to reception to suggest it's reached general notability. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 09:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The sources do not meet the criteria for notability, fails the Wikipedia:Reliable sources categorization. Kvinnen (talk) 11:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete I was unable to find reliable sourcing about the game. Seems like an interesting open-source game development, and I'm open to changing my vote. If someone with a greater knowledge of reliable free/open source software sources is able to find appropriate sourcing feel free to ping me. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 12:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It is clearly WP:TOOSOON. Might be notable in the future when 1.0 releases. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

About sources: I found some sources, including this, this, this, this. Don't know if you can consider some of them reliable.

I should also say that 1.0.0 version of Thrive is expected to appear before 2026, and I would like to suggest to leave this article alive until the 1.0.0 release, since it will publish the game as a full product, which is expected to attract attention from at least 1-2 reliable sources. If we delete the article now, I'm pretty sure after 1.0.0 the necessary sources might appear anyways.

Sources like YouTube and GitHub aren't necessary here. Video of Oliver Lugg gives a very significant information on the topic, and I believe can be a considered a good source that can be cited. He also has an article on his website about Thrive, which I suppose isn't a self-publsihed source. From Alba, Celtoi, (talk) 14:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the game's full release is imminent, a drafitfy is a valid option. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:30, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well I suppose we should turn this article into a draft, and wait for sources that should appear during late December/January. From Alba, Celtoi, (talk) 14:13, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON above. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 15:12, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Go D. Usopp (talk) 22:36, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- getting some buzz from just casual searches, but I see it would be better once a more stable version is released and gets more SIGCOV to earn its notability.Lorraine Crane (talk) 23:07, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Waiting for the full release expected to be publsihed somewhere in December. Before that the article will exist in the form of Draft respectively From Alba, Celtoi, (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spy Daisakusen

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Non-notable video game that is a WP:NONENG Japanese-only title. There's not really anything to go off here: two WP:USERG databases that do not contribute to notability, and one brief run-through from HG101 which is useful but not in itself enough. The Japanese wiki article for the TV series Mission: Impossible mentions the game but offers no sources. One of those WP:OFFLINE ones that could have something out there, but a little tricky to find given the name of the game. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 09:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Kvinnen (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Mission: Impossible (1966 TV series)#Video games. The title is just the Japanese name for the Mission: Impossible TV series, so it does come up regularly in Japanese magazines but I couldn't find any references that are actually about this game. Adam Sampson (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, seems like a prudent ATD. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mission: Impossible (1966 TV series)#Video games – Per above. Svartner (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Adam Sampson. Go D. Usopp (talk) 22:35, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GAE (company)

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Fails WP:NCORP. No evidence of any notability for this company. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:35, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to My World, My Way (video game). Most notable product. Go D. Usopp (talk) 06:57, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Northbury Grove

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Non-notable video game. I hope the non-RS sourcing probably speaks for itself here. I don't mean to be too critical but the article really does run up significant issues that I feel warrant a WP:TNT regardless of notability - it whizzes past having a neutral point of view, not being essaylike, having verifiable citations and so on. But fundamentally the article's enormous content is mostly founded on primary sources and not really anything approaching an in-depth review from a reliable source. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:34, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 06:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is a little awkward because I've just realised the article seems to be part of an active WikiEducation student project, but the project page suggests it's really supposed to be about biology, so I'm a little confused. If there is a better way to manage this, including a chat or ping with the project co-ord, let me know - I certainly don't want to ruffle feathers whilst someone is doing their best to learn the ropes of Wikipedia editing, even if it doesn't change my concerns about the article. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:37, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Ian (Wiki Ed), who is the assigned WikiExpert for the student editor creating the article. aesurias (talk) 08:26, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Aesurias. @Vrxces I'm not sure how this fits the course myself. The class project itself ended in October, and if the instructor needs a copy of the article to grade I can always rescue a copy of the deleted article for them. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Some WP:RS mentions, but nothing substantial or GNG passing. Pages created by students do not get a free pass to remain in the encyclopedia no matter how non-notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:41, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Telebbit

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Non-notable game per WP:GNG. The game has no review coverage and none from reliable outlets that I can find online on a WP:BEFORE. All the reliable cited coverage is what you would call WP:ROUTINE - it regurgitates the press release of the game announcement, and the author says it looks cool, but hasn't played it or has any information on it. One citation implies that Famitsu 1824 has indeed provided WP:SIGCOV on it which is good, but that's awkwardly brought up from a mention of the publisher's Instagram post, with the magazine issue both WP:NONENG and WP:OFFLINE. That isn't enough to cross the line. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is this coverage from April 2024 on the Famitsu website but similar to most other coverage it predates release and is more of a "look at this game coming out" than a review of any kind. -- Recon rabbit 16:30, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 04:05, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Free Talk Studio

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Unsourced. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article is in poor shape, but the game meets GNG. I expect that all coverage for this will be in 1990s Japanese game magazines. Just looking into the Saturn version, the first brief mention is a release date announcement on page 219 of Saturn Fan magazine's December 1996 issue. Then we have two full pages of coverage on page 140 in the February 1997 issue, and another two pages on page 138 in the March 1997 issue. There's also a somewhat more detailed review in Sega Saturn Magazine from May 1997. Also of note, Sega Retro's source database (which has some more entries from these magazines as well) claims that it was reviewed in Famitsu in May 1997 with total score of 25/40, which would be a great source to include if someone could find the exact issue to verify it. I've also found product listings that show a version for Windows 95 was released, so there may be coverage about that in PC magazines. Unfortunately I do not have the time to work on expanding the article right now, but I hope I've demonstrated that the game is notable enough. Someone with sufficient knowledge of Japanese and access to magazines from the era could certainly improve this article. MidnightMayhem (talk) 19:19, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per MidnightMayhem sources. Svartner (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sufficient amount of print sources. Go D. Usopp (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thunderobot

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Created with no credible claim of significance or passing of WP:NCORP. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:04, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: the only source I could find that (as far as I could tell) comes from a reliable source is this [1] from TechRadar. That's not SIGCOV of the company itself, so I have doubts over notability. Gommeh 📖 🎮 16:19, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:NGAME. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Chan, Hing Kai; Liu, Martin J.; Wang, Jie; Zhang, Tiantian (2022). "The Thunderobot Technologies Crowdfunding Case: Equity-Based". Responsible Innovation Management. Singapore: Springer Nature. pp. 27–31. ISBN 978-981-19-4479-6. ISSN 2731-4162. Retrieved 2025-11-27 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Thunderobot Technologies is a reputable Chinese company that specializes in esports ardware and software. Popular apparatus and instruments provided by Thunder-obot include esports notebooks, esports desktops, and other esports peripherals. The mission of the company is to "Allow every player to have an extreme game experi-ence." In 2014, Thunderobot Technology secured its A round funding of 5 million ... As a result, Thunderobot has attracted 4 Dongjia investors with a total investment of 4.715 million RMB (accounting for 3.13% of the total shares) and ten little Dongjia investors with a total investment of 285,000 RMB (accounting for 0.19% of the total shares). After this equity-based crowdfunding financing, Thunderobot Technology successfully raised 15 million RMB and the company's value has increased from 135 million RMB to 150 million RMB. The success of this equity-based crowdfunding put Thunderobot Technology in a more competitive and advantageous position in the esports industry."
2. Wang, Fengbin; Zhang, Chi (2021). Thunderobot Strives to Build a Multi-Win Ecosystem. Renmin University. doi:10.4135/9781529763980. ISBN 978-1-5297-6398-0.
  The abstract notes: "Thunderobot, an SME specializing in gaming laptops, incubated in the Intelligent Interconnection Platform of Haier Group in 2014, has ranked no. 1 in the domestic market and in the top 5 in the world. Listed on National Equities Exchange and Quotations of China in September 2017, Thunderobot has been the first listed company in the game industry. Focusing in designing and marketing for gaming laptops and computer and peripheral devices, Thunderobot began its ecological layout just less than one year after its establishment. From hardware to software and then cultural creative industry, Thunderobot’s landscape is expanding. Now, Thunderobot does not fight on its own; six subsidiaries have been emerging gradually, making the Thunderobot fleet stronger. Until October 2017, Thunderobot’s ecological revenue has reached RMB 180,000,000 per month, taking 15–20% of the total. Thunderobot begins to harvest from its ecosystem. But some questions remain to be answered: How to maintain a virtuous cycle of the whole ecosystem? How can the ecosystem survive forever?"
3. Liao, Ganli; Li, Lele; Zhao, Qitong; Li, Yi (2025). "Exploring multiple pathways to high entrepreneurial performance in digit-oriented spin-offs: based on optimal distinctiveness theory". Chinese Management Studies. doi:10.1108/CMS-10-2024-0751.
  The article notes: "Qingdao Thunderobot Technology Co., Ltd. (Thunderobot) serves as a typical case for this configuration. As a high-performance specialized computer hardware equipment provider, Thunderobot’s products are primarily used in scenarios such as e-sports, video creation, creative design and digital office environments. Thunderobot has rapidly established its own supply chain and sales channels by deeply embedding itself within the parent network and leveraging the resources and strengths of its parent company, Haier Group. For instance, Haier’s cooperation with world-class computer original design manufacturers, such as Quanta and BlueSky, has enabled Thunderobot, as a small-scale startup, to establish direct collaborative links with these major manufacturers through Haier’s network. Simultaneously, relying on Haier’s strong resource endorsement, Thunderobot has efficiently developed independent networks by leveraging the paths provided by venture capital firms such as Zihui Ventures and SAIF Partners. It has established stable alliance relationships with companies like Tongfang Information and Compal Electronics and has built a professional gaming platform called “Shenyou Network,” thereby constructing an independent value network centered on itself. Additionally, Thunderobot has adopted exploratory strategies, continuously innovating its products and upgrading its technologies. By delving into the gaming laptop market and building an e-sports ecosystem, the company has achieved sustained business growth and high entrepreneurial performance."
4. Li, Zhigang 李志刚; Xu, Chenhe 许晨鹤; Yue, Guolin 乐国林 (2016). "基于扎根理论方法的孵化型裂变创业探索性研究——以海尔集团孵化雷神公司为例" [An Exploratory Study about Incubating Spin-off Entrepreneurship Based on Grounded Theory——A Case about Thunderobot Company Incubated from Haier Group]. 管理学报 [Journal of Management] (in Chinese). Vol. 13, no. 7. pp. 972–979. Retrieved 2025-11-27 – via CQVIP.
  The abstract notes: "基于理论抽样,以海尔集团孵化雷神公司为典型案例,运用扎根理论方法进行探索性挖掘,提炼出母体企业孵化、研发团队组建、商业模式形成、裂变动机产生和新创企业生成5个主范畴,在此基础上构建出涵盖以上5个要素的孵化型裂变创业理论模型,并从母体企业作用、新创业务影响、创业驱动因素等方面进一步识别了孵化型裂变创业的主要特征。"
  From Google Translate: "Based on theoretical sampling, taking Haier Group's incubation of Thunderobot as a typical case, this study uses grounded theory to conduct exploratory research and extracts five main categories: parent company incubation, R&D team building, business model formation, fission motivation generation, and new enterprise generation. On this basis, an incubation-based fission entrepreneurship theoretical model covering the above five elements is constructed. Furthermore, the main characteristics of incubation-based fission entrepreneurship are identified from aspects such as the role of the parent company, the impact of new businesses, and entrepreneurial driving factors."
5. Lin, Nianxiu 林念修 (2019). 全国双创示范基地创新创业百佳案例 [Top 100 Innovation and Entrepreneurship Cases in National Mass Entrepreneurship and Innovation Demonstration Bases] (in Chinese). Beijing: Social Sciences Academic Press. ISBN 978-7-5201-4932-7. Retrieved 2025-11-27 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "“雷神”是海尔内部孵化的典型代表，在海尔工作的三个“80后”发现游戏本领域的用户痛点并创业成立雷神公司，海尔双创平台对雷神公司提供了全流程全方位的投资孵化以及相关配套服务。该公司只用了半年时间产出第一款产品，创业第二年销售额就超过2亿元，创业第三年成功挂牌新三板，创造了“雷神”速度。二是脱离母体孵化模式。"
  From Google Translate: ""Thunderobot" is a typical example of a company incubated within Haier. Three post-80s employees working at Haier identified user pain points in the gaming sector and founded Thunderobot. Haier's innovation and entrepreneurship platform provided Thunderobot with comprehensive investment incubation and related support services throughout the entire process. The company produced its first product in just six months, achieved sales exceeding 200 million yuan in its second year, and successfully listed on the New Third Board in its third year, creating the "Thunderobot speed." Secondly, it broke away from the parent company's incubation model."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Thunderobot (Chinese: 雷神公司) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
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Delete per Gommeh. Go D. Usopp (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bad End Theater

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I had a fairly lengthy debate about the notability of this article in its talk page and DYK nomination page, but I am now fully convinced that it doesn't pass WP:GNG. The only obvious reliable, significant (just barely) coverage is the PC Gamer source, with others being either, primary, unreliable, trivial/directories or Valnet. Final Weapon isn't likely a reliable website. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:36, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree with the arguments. Self-promoting Wiki page. The game is not "notable" in a broad sense of Wikipedia standards. This is a case of WP:NOTJUSTYET Silvymaro (talk) 09:05, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Self-promoting"? I have no relation to the developer and I assume Yoblyblob doesn't either. Sophocrat (talk) 04:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I doubt this passes WP:THREE. Valnet sources don't count towards notability, and one of the other sources in the reception section (#7) is considered unreliable. Take both of those sources out, and you only have two sources remaining in the reception section. To me that's not necessarily enough for a standalone article. The Game Developer source is WP:PRIMARY so it also doesn't count towards notability. Gommeh 📖 🎮 15:12, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Valnet sources do not count towards notability? I have never heard this Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:56, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VALNET, it is a longstanding consensus amongst editors due to their heavy amount of content farming in that realm. An RfC found ScreenRant (another Valnet site) "marginally reliable" meaning that it is very lackluster as far as proving something is notable and usually should be avoided unless necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:54, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have investigated this game in detail and believe it has received just enough coverage for an article. On Zxcvbnm's advice I have intended to expand the Reception section, though I haven't done so due to real life responsibilities (I will be free in a month). @Gommeh: What do you think of these three sources?

Source assessment table prepared by User:The Sophocrat
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
PC Gamer review	Magazine has no relation to developer.	Listed as reliable for this area at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources.	5 paragraphs about the game.	✔ Yes
Wellesley College thesis (plain text link)	Author has no relation to developer.	Written for the author's Honors in Media Arts and Sciences. It was advised by 4 thesis advisers (qualified people from the college).	630-word chapter discussing the game.	✔ Yes
FM4 review (in German)	Company and author have no relation to developer.	The review author studied Journalism and Media Management and seems to have experience in journalism. The site is used plenty at the German Wikipedia and dozens of times at enwiki.	Review is entirely about the video game.	✔ Yes
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These other sources are only partially useful towards GNG, but they support the stronger sources:

Source assessment table prepared by User:The Sophocrat
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Page from Turkish thesis (in Turkish)	Author has no relation to developer.	From Hacettepe University. Thesis was supervised by doctor Elif Varol Ergen, who seems to be a recognized specialist in the field (eg by this art magazine article) (as preferred by WP:THESIS [If possible, use theses that have been [...] supervised by recognized specialists in the field]).	~ It only dedicates a page to the game. It also dedicates a subchapter to another of the developer's games, but I digress.	~ Partial
Best PC Games With LGBTQ+ Themes, and The Best Visual Novels That Aren't Anime list articles by TheGamer	Company and author have no relation to developer.	WP:VG/RS states about TheGamer that "News posts and original content after August 2020 are considered generally reliable. Several editorial staff have bylines highlighting their experience working with other reputable video game media outlets". The author of this particular article has a degree in Art and Game Design.	~ Both articles talk little about the video game. For what it's worth, the first one states "The developer, NomnomNami, is well known for bringing video game stories centered around the LGBTQ+ community, and Bad End Theater puts a unique twist on lesbian representation in games." Again per WP:VG/RS, "Opinions presented in editorials, reviews, or list entries that have significant coverage may be used sparingly to augment reception where notability has been established by stronger sources."	~ Partial
Best Visual Novels On Steam and The Best Visual Novels For Beginners list articles by GameRant	Website has no relation to developer.	~ WP:VALNET calls it situational, noting that "Topics of low potential for controversy such as general pop culture topics or game information are allowable areas.". Like TheGamer, it "may be used sparingly to augment reception where notability has been established by stronger sources.".	~ Both articles talk little about the video game, though they do give a bit of interpretation (such as "Bad End Theater oozes visual style, setting itself apart from the usual visual novel offerings" in the first one and "[Bad End Theater] is still a good place for beginners to get a feel for what an excellent and engaging visual novel should be like" in the second one).	~ Partial
Final Weapon review	Magazine has no relation to developer.	~ Was recently discussed at the video game reliable sources noticeboard and found to be situational at best. Their top staff have qualifications and/or significant experience, but most of the rest don't. A shame given the article's thoroughness.	Review discusses the video game in length.	~ Partial
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There's a couple more potentially-useful reviews (eg this French one) but I haven't finished verifying their reliability.

As I stated at the DYK nomination, I do believe this subject is notable and evidently an article can be written about it—it's just a bit niche. We have three sources counting towards GNG and some more that are partially useful in demonstrating notability, such as the Turkish thesis stating the game "is known for its complex plots" and TheGamer calling the developer "well known for bringing video game stories centered around the LGBTQ+ community". And per WP:DYKCITE, The use of multiple sources is generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics. Sophocrat (talk) 04:27, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fine. If you have doubts I would consider taking them to WT:VG/S. I'm only really familiar with PC Gamer and (to a lesser extent) Final Weapon so I can guarantee those, at least, are reliable. Gommeh 📖 🎮 05:11, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that the thesis counts towards GNG. Per WP:THESIS, Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence. This does not appear to have had such influence. The 2nd table marks ones as partial when they are clearly a "no" due to WP:VALNET. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:44, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I actually have a doubt regarding WP:THESIS. It states If possible, use theses that have been cited in the literature, supervised by recognized specialists in the field, or reviewed by independent parties (emphasis mine) which implies that you could use theses that don't fulfill any of those criteria (so an uncited, unreviewed thesis). However, it then states in the same paragraph that Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence (emphasis mine) as you noted. That much-higher requirement seems to contradict the relatively lax guideline I first cited. Anyhow, I believe the fact that the thesis I cited was supervised by a recognized specialist in the field gives it credence for this purpose. Sophocrat (talk) (from ~2025-36952-13 (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC))[reply]

The thesis appears to be an undergraduate thesis, which would clearly not be reliable under WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Wellesley doesn't offer graduate programs. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep based on the PC Gamer and ORF FM4 articles, which are solid. The Final Weapon review is pretty thorough, but it's unclear who it's by. I wouldn't count the dissertations or lists towards notability. The page doesn't read as overly promotional to me. Adam Sampson (talk) 01:34, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep: The first source table is just about enough, the marginal sources in the second one help notability. Not a ton of coverage, but some things found. Oaktree b (talk) 14:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Microcabin

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Fails WP:CORPDEPTH with sources amounting to minor announcements. Japanese article not any better. There are some sources found on the talk page but all from a single publication and don't seem particularly significant. This "cabin" may need to be boarded up. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:46, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Xak or AQ Interactive. The latter might be better for being a plausible subtopic redirect. Go D. Usopp (talk) 01:46, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I should also note that the article may have to be moved to Microcabin (company) if redirected, because they seem to be an actual form of cabin and should probably redirect to Tiny-house movement. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:29, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to AQ Interactive. Plausible search term, as a subsidiary company of the target. Sergecross73 msg me 03:40, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Racjin

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Fails WP:NCORP. Almost entirely unsourced since 2007 and significant coverage is zilch. Couldn't find anything in gaming magazines beyond a mention of the studio name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:38, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Snowboard Kids, most notable product. Deletion is also preferable as long as its former name still redirects towards the suggested target. Go D. Usopp (talk) 01:51, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as proposed as an ATD, sure. Can't even find much in Japanese, though my skills in that language are rather limited. LightlySeared (talk) 09:59, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jailbreak (Roblox)

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While seemingly well developed and sourced on the surface, I do not believe there is enough WP:SIGCOV of the game itself - independent from coverage or interviews of one specific developer, Alex Balfanz, and does not establish notability of the game itself per WP:NOTINHERITED - to warrant a separate article from List of Roblox games. Multiple sources on the article are of dubious reliability if not completely unreliable (Digiday, Entertainment Focus, and the Roblox Realm 3 book), primary sourcing, and all sources used in the Reception section - something that I think would require a lot of strong sourcing to warrant a split from the well-developed list article entry per WP:NOPAGE and WP:MERGEREASON - is actually just trivial coverage.

I also want to point out a few quality issues that make me seriously doubt the integrity of this article. The article phrase "Jailbreak has had a large margin of positive feedback and reviews from critics" cannot be reasonably made when every critical statement about the game is trivial, from an unreliable source, or from the context of an interview/coverage of one of the games developers. This arguably falls under WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUEWEIGHT being given towards low quality sources. "A Discord forum was established for players to discuss about the game and report game issues": what is a "Discord forum"? They're called servers. All coverage of the NASCAR partnership is UNDUE as it is exclusively cited to primary sourcing from the NASCAR website itself not counting Digiday which does not appear to be a reliable source. If kept the article needs a look from more experienced editors and drastically improved.

All in all, I do not think that there is enough coverage of the game itself, in reliable sources (particularly those listed at WP:RSP and WP:VG/S, especially) to establish independent notability and separation from List of Roblox games. Which I would consider the bar of notability for Roblox games to be way higher when the list already requires notability to begin with and WP:NOPAGE + WP:MERGEREASON exist. Everything about the game that is noteworthy and well sourced is already covered in the list article, which I recommend either a merge or redirect to. λ NegativeMP1 06:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Roblox games#Jailbreak - oh boy, the rationale is almost longer than the article itself. But the current state of the article or its writing quality doesn't matter except for cleanup purposes per WP:NEXIST, anyone can go and fix that, so what is really important here is whether it passes WP:GNG. The CNBC article is good, but the others are from iffy/unreliable sources. It's yet another example of a barely-notable Roblox game that got some mentions, but not enough for its own article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:58, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, I brought up the quality concerns in the first place as it made me raise my eyebrows in multiple ways that made me doubt the integrity of this articles existence in the first place. I typically do not concern myself with article quality as part of a deletion rationale over notability. λ NegativeMP1 07:02, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I originally made this as a userpage, then a draft and now a article, I didn’t know the reliability of some sources, but I gave my opinion on this. rave (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong draftify and then merge with Draft:Jailbreak (Roblox) - Instead of everyone normally just debating to redirect the game to List of Roblox games, I'd feel like it's more better if you draftified Jailbreak and then merged it with Draft:Jailbreak (Roblox) because if we draftified it then that'll give the page more time to improve it's SIGCOV, notability and reliability before it can be moved back into mainspace and I'm also suggesting to merge it with Draft:Jailbreak (Roblox) to avoid confusion of it being a duplicate/copy. MrDevolver (talk) 07:35, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:AKON. Arguments like "it can gain notability as a draft" are iffy because if you can't prove it during this AfD, standing on its own as an article is unlikely. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:05, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is so confusing, is it because the sources aren’t reliable? If it’s reliable sources then can’t the unreliable sources be removed? I'm relatively new to this, I thought if it had sources that go in-depth, at least have a section on the topic, and is independent of the subject then it’s good, what sources are unreliable? If the unreliable sources are removed can the article be notable or no? I’m attempting to get an answer here because this is weird to me. rave (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When you take out the sources deemed unreliable by the community (Business Insider and VentureBeat), I don't think there are enough to pass the WP:GNG. That's the main problem here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:58, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait so the problem is notability? I thought it was notable because the sources on list of Roblox for Jailbreak were there so I used them, I didn’t know that they were unreliable? Sorry for the mistakes though, really! Is there really anything that could be done to improve this or is just likely deleted, redirected or drafted? rave (talk) 11:30, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - First of all, There are sources here that are reliable and trustworthy sources such as Business Insider, New York Times, Bloomberg News, and CNBC, all these sources mentioned here don’t give Jailbreak a mention inside their own articles, some have a section or part of the article being about the game and other sources cover the entire game as a whole. Yes, there is some sources out of the ones I mentioned that MIGHT be considered unreliable, but a few of them have a section that goes in-depth into the subject, Entertainment-Focus is an interview but the source isn’t even made by asimo3089, badcc or anyone in the Badimo group, It’s made by a game interviewer who has made various game related articles on the website, this is a secondary and independent source, WP:Interview says that reliable interview sources should largely be used for facts. The "discord forum" and "Jailbreak has a large margin.." is yes, all misleading information since it breaks WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE but these can be easily fixed or removed. Even though NASCAR is a primary source, that can be removed easily. I think the most that could be done is fix this article a large amount and possibly remove some sourced material. rave (talk) 12:30, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

also draftify is a option that’s alright rave (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And the Digiday and Roblox Realm Book can be unreliable (especially the realm book since it’s possibly LLM generated with its use of AI art and dubious writing) and the Digiday is kind of mostly about the NASCAR event and not the game itself. rave (talk) 12:37, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this editor is the article creator which should be kept in mind for any assessment of consensus. Athanelar (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Their comments are as valid as anyone else's. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify and consider Redirect to list of Roblox games. The reason this article is in mainspace at all is because of this teahouse thread where User:GarethBaloney encouraged RaveCrowny to 'be bold' and move their article directly to mainspace which I think was bad advice. RaveCrowny's account is too new to create articles directly in mainspace and that restriction exists for a reason, they should have followed the proper AfC procedure and submitted the article for review, and in any case I don't think WP:BOLD applies to unilaterally publishing an unreviewed draft. Athanelar (talk) 16:10, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. GarethBaloney (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought a extended confirmed account knew what they were doing, didn’t know I did something probably stupid. rave (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. Agreed with Athanelar; that was not good advice to give to a newbie. Rave, don't blame yourself for this either; a lot of more experienced editors have had this happen to them too (including myself; see the AfD). In my opinion, when there's a subject-specific notability guideline that may be different from GNG, notability may be one of the hardest things for new editors to get their heads around. It definitely took me a while to figure it out. I would suggest asking others at WT:VG for their thoughts if you're unsure. For future reference, the notability guidelines for video games are explained at WP:NVG. Gommeh 📖 🎮 17:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Athanelar, autoconfirmed accounts can make articles in Mainspace, which Rave is a member of. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) 07:00, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I didn't realise rave was AC when the article was moved. Nevertheless I don't think as a relatively new editor they should've been encouraged to publish the article without review. Athanelar (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree it would have been best to go through the AFC process, though the process might have let it through anyways. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) 17:35, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: If an article would be accepted at AfC, I don't see why this could be deleted. As for coverage, maybe it's not great. But coverage is coverage. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 15:23, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@CREditzWiki: This comment doesn't make sense. Firstly, the article wasn't accepted at AfC in the first place (revision of the article creator moving it to mainspace). And even if it was, something being accepted at AfC (one editor) cannot prevent other users from coming to a consensus. That is an unnecessary and illogical levels of bureaucracy that does not exist on Wikipedia. λ NegativeMP1 01:50, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm opting for a permanent Wikibreak. WP:COMPETENCE. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 13:40, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. I know I’m not too experienced (been here for half a year now I believe), but I never thought games on a video game would be classified as possible for a Wikipedia page, if so then what stops other games on Roblox or even other games being included, perhaps I’m looking at this from a wrong angle but it would seem kind of Promotion-esque, if I was a user of Roblox (which I certainly am not but if I were) seeing a game which has a Wikipedia page would somewhat “entice” me, so perhaps I’m wrong and if so then please tell me but this seems somewhat not Wikipedia-esque. (Correct me if I’m wrong)” Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*Draftify Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@CycloneYoris: There are two votes for keep here: one is only keeping it because it was "accepted at AfC" (it wasn't), and the other was a keep from the article creator (and therefore doesn't really count). In comparison, there are 5 votes to redirect + my nomination, with 4 of those redirect votes also calling for it to be turned into a draft. In-fact the article creator themselves even said "also draftify is a option that’s alright". I'm not sure how consensus is unclear. λ NegativeMP1 01:47, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NegativeMP1: Because it isn't clear if a redirect should remain or not, since some editors are proposing to draftify without leaving a redirect, which is why I decided to give this another go. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:56, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, makes sense. λ NegativeMP1 02:02, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

from the article creator (and therefore doesn't really count) - Can you cite a policy for that, or did you just make it up? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:55, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hirameki

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Fails WP:NCORP with a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 01:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found an article on Macworld. Redirecting to AnimePlay which Hirameki seems most notable for (and for which I've found more sources than the company, see its refideas) may be a viable ATD.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I concur that there is virtually complete overplay of this article and AnimePlay. However, that one is also completely unsourced. IgelRM (talk) 04:37, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thor (video game)

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Lack of notability - the only sources on the article are a GameSpot database listing (unreliable per WP:VG/RS as it is shared with GameFAQS), a Youtube gameplay video (see WP:RSPYT), and a playable version of the game on the Internet Archive. None of these sources indicate notability and I was unable to find any sources in my Archive.org search discussing the game, though Spectrum Computing lists a Preview and Review from Microhobby magazine. Despite the Microhobby coverage I do not think that GNG is met. Has been PRODded - PROD was removed by the creator of the article after adding the Youtube and IA references. Waxworker (talk) 21:53, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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AFD is definitely the right venue for this since it was de-PRODded. Perhaps the creator misunderstood our notability guidelines? Anyhow, I'm going to !vote delete per WP:NOTPLOT here. Like I have said several times before on other AFD's, reception is perhaps the most important section when writing about something related to video games in regards to notability, and the article doesn't bother to discuss that. Gommeh 📖 🎮 22:01, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Found a review by Micromanía: [2]. Meets the minimum notability guideline with 2 reviews. There's also this walkthrough, though I don't think it qualifies as significant coverage since it doesn't seem to contain any critical analysis (but could be used to source gameplay section): [3]. --Mika1h (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There seems to be just two even remotely reliable independent sources on this game: a review in Microhobby and a review in Micromanía, both published around the time of the game's release. Two contemporary reviews do not constitute WP:SIGCOV - if someone is able to dig up some more in-depth contemporary sources, or find some modern sources discussing the game that I've missed in my search, I'll gladly change my vote, but currently I see no evidence to satisfy WP:GNG. Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 08:31, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blank and disambiguate. Two other similar games, Thor: God of Thunder and Thor: Son of Asgard (video game) received more significant coverage. Deletion is also plausible if this does not work out. Go D. Usopp (talk) 01:58, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would also easily be possible to mention the game on a Thor related article somewhere. IgelRM (talk) 04:34, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Crazy Bus

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Non-notable video game. The previous AFD [4] was closed with a non-admin no consensus and it seems that was suggested on the basis that no source analysis had been performed, and there were some WP:NONENG sources that people weren't sure about. I have undertaken that analysis in the comments below. Most coverage consists of variations of calling the game's menu audio bad. The provenance and quality of the sources is poor, with many non-RS sources, WP:USERG, listicles with no WP:SIGCOV and several sources that are WP:OFFLINE and unverifiable. On what's currently cited, there isn't remotely enough to provide a reliable account of what the game is, how it plays, and who made it and where it comes from, beyond it's a bootleg Venezuelan game for the Genesis with bad music.

Sorry in advance to be a pain and reopen this one - if this is overkill or totally excessive for administrative reasons I can self-close it. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 10:48, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator comment As promised, here's the analysis. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 10:49, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CrazyBus source analysis

#	Title	Source	Reliable source?	Parts of the source that aren’t just jokes about the music being bad	Contributes to notability?
1	CrazyBus	Kotaku	Situational source.	N/A	N Not useful. This is a landing page that contains no coverage about the game.
2	Thais Elena Font Acuña (?) Manuel Brett	Latin American and Iberian Association of Technology Management (ALTEC Seminar)	Y Thais is a lawyer, judge and professor with a PhD at the Central University of Venezuela. Her expertise is in intellectual property law. But she doesn’t seem to be the author – Thais is the convenor for the ALTEC Seminar on Intellectual Property in Technology Management’’ and not exactly one with time to look into video games. Looking at the program [5], it would seem like this probably came from a presentation called “Video Games: Made in Venezuela” from an attorney, Manuel Brett, which “focuses on general aspects of the video game industry, observed from the perspective of law and intellectual property”. I am wary of pulling out random obscure papers to substantiate notability (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP) but let’s assume the best, it is Venezuelan after all, and say it’s alright.	[Current quoted text in article] This is Crazy Bus, a bootleg title created by Tom Scripts and released for the Sega Genesis console in 2004. The title screen displays the title in English, indicating it was made in Venezuela, and uses images of buses belonging to companies in the country's interior. This curious video game gained popularity thanks to a review by James D. Rolfe, also known as The Angry Video Game Nerd, on YouTube on December 13, 2014. The review is harsh, criticizing Crazy Bus for its poor production in all areas. Being a pirated game, it undoubtedly suffered commercial failure. However, its popularity has drawn attention to the type of video games produced in Venezuela.	Question: This source is sadly unavailable at the moment, both on its URL [6] and the Internet Archive wayback for that URL. For something that is cited no less than five times in the article, more than any source, it does say a few things that no other source does, but the provided quote doesn’t give us enough depth to provide a complete picture about aspects of gameplay. It also seems to be drawn to generalisation – the quote doesn’t in itself demonstrate how or why the game drew attention to other Venezuelan games. Again, happy to be wrong on this – maybe there’s a lot more here.
3	10 Hilariously Horrendous Video Game Soundtracks	ScreenRant	Situational source.	Exactly what you might expect from an unlicensed tech demo video game, Crazy Bus is notorious for having one of the most over-the-top and intolerably shrill soundtracks of all time. But the game simply consists of driving a bus forward and backward to rack up points, so music is hardly a priority.	It’s at best passable evidence of a source calling the game’s sound bad. The other paragraph is just hyperbole about how bad the sound is: I’d argue it lacks depth of coverage of describing what the game is.
4	“CRAZYBUS” is a crazy bus driving simulation RTA that lives up to its title	Nico Nico News Original	No idea – not in WP:PERENNIAL. Seems like a popular video sharing site with commentary overlaid on videos the editors found interesting?	Video uploader Yuyukichi explained the game's unique features, including its 2004 release for the Mega Drive, the bizarre background music that plays throughout the game, and the fact that the only controls are left-right movement and honking the horn.	N Feels solidly unreliable, because there’s no news angle here: the video sharing site is taking a user video and describing the game on the basis of the information that user discusses in their video, not anything done at a journalistic level.
5	Late Junction – Level Up: Gaming Soundtarcks	BBC	Y Both the BBC and Verity Sharp are reputable.	N/A	Question: It’s a radio program that is unavailable. There’s a list. With about 35 tracks played over two hours, it is hard to say either way what level of depth the game was discussed.
6	Crazybus Mini-Encyclopedia	Aruinsya	N This is one of two cited “books” about the game. Aruinsya seems to be a doujinshi, and the author, Mokumokuren, is the person who operates that: [7]. So it’s a self-published text which runs afoul of WP:USESPS. This is nice someone went to this effort, but it’s no different than basing notability off of a zine someone sells about a passion topic, which is fairly obviously not to the standard of WP:RS.	N/A – Note the full text is unavailable other than grabs from store page previews, so the citations don’t seem overly useful here.	N
7	CrazyBus: A privately edited image reference	Aruinsya	As above in [6].	N/A – As above in [7].	N
8	CrazyBus AVGN Episode 24	Angry Video Game Nerd	N Unreliable YouTube video creator.	N/A	N
9	CrazyBus	Bad Game Hall of Fame	N Unreliable user blog.	N/A	N
10	The most memorable songs in video game history	Vice Italy	WP:PERENNIAL suggests no consensus. This isn’t Waypoint so isn’t mentioned under WP:VG/S.	CrazyBus was supposed to be a Venezuelan demo on a Sega Genesis cartridge used to test its creator's sound card, but instead it's become a small underground cult… [it] consists of driving a bus back and forth, choosing from five models, including a Spanish, Venezuelan, and Brazilian one. Not bad for a game with the word "crazy" in its title.	Passable coverage from a situational source with a brief description of what the game is about, although is uncertain about what it is, and again, what depth there is is undermined by it mostly being riffing on how bad the sound is, rather than what the game actually is or where it came from.
11	Five Video Game Songs So Terrible That They’re Kind of Great	The Music	Not on WP:A/S. It’s a well-known Australian music magazine. It’s probably fine.	N/A	N Trivial mention – it’s just three sentences joking about it being the stuff of nightmares. Nothing about the game. Again, at best, just an indicator of poor reception of the menu music.
12	15 Games With Soundtracks WORSE Than Nickelback	TheGamer	Situational source.	For a bootleg Venezuelan tech demo that entirely consists of moving a bus back and forth with the d-pad and honking the horn…	Again, it’s at best passable evidence of a source calling the game’s sound bad, with some passing mentions of where the game came from and what it is. Fine for inclusion but a situation topping a listicle of ‘’soundtracks worse than Nickleback’’ is not a strong anchor of notability.
13	Club Chistendo: The Eurorrisión Festival	Hobby Consolas	Y Per WP:VG/S.	Crazy Bus for the Mega Drive, a bus (dis)simulator released in 2004 without a publishing license…and it was made in Venezuela.	Good source, has two paragraphs, sounds good – right? But then those paragraphs are, again, just mostly riffing on the sound being bad.
14	Musician turns Final Fantasy, Halo, and Mass Effect tunes into Doom Eternal versions	PCGN	Y Per WP:VG/S.	N/A	N It’s a trivial mention that has no use for the article.
15	CrazyBus	VGFacts	N Fairly obvious WP:USERG.	N/A	N
16	Top 10 Games Where the Soundtrack Was Distracting	CBR	Situational source.	N/A	It’s at best passable evidence of a source calling the game’s sound bad. The paragraph leans trivial, as it is only three sentences, and there is no depth of coverage explaining what the game actually is.
17	Worst FMV Game Of All Time Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties Coming to PS5	Screen Rant	Situational source.	Since then, [the game] has been next to … Crazy Bus … on the list of must-play games for YouTubers…	N Trivial mention.

The Late Junction programme is available on BoB, but it's only a passing mention when introducing a track (at 1h06) - So we have put together our very own mix for you tonight. It includes everything from the hardcore jungle and techno-inspired soundtrack to Ape Escape [...] to randomly-generated electronics from Tom Maneiro on tech demo Crazy Bus. Adam Sampson (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks for your help. That sadly seems like another WP:TRIVIAL mention to me. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 20:30, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I don't see any sources about this game, I suppose being unlicensed it doesn't gather much coverage in RS. Sourcing is as explained in the chart... I don't find any sources, only mentions of the phrase itself. Oaktree b (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Major lack of significant coverage. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:16, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Keep: I agree some sources here should be removed but still would be fine with keeping a short article. Have added a working archived link for the Venezuelan academic source. Niconico News per Wikipedia is apparently a news website operated by the Dwango company, so even if it's referencing someone else's video it is being covered by what looks to be a legitimate source? Even if most other acceptable sources focus on its bad soundtrack that's the most notable aspect of the game. JSwift49 14:02, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Note the above is a creator keep when assessing consensus. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I just don't see the required significant coverage of the game itself in reliable sources. It's all very brief (Niconico one aside that - as discussed above - cites a user-made video posted on the platform) and almost exclusively focused about the screechy main menu sound. Nothing new comes up in my searches that hasn't already been discussed and mentioned in the table above. Fails WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:50, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The source analysis above literally mentions multiple reliable sources, plus a boatload of situational sources. (It also claims Niconico News is unreliable because it's talking about a user-generated video even though the subject of a source has nothing to do with the reliability of the source itself? Niconico News is apparently owned by a respected media corporation, so I don't see why people are so quick to dismiss it.) As for "most sources are just talking about the music": so what? Is there a rule embedded somewhere in GNG that says "talking about a game's music doesn't count towards notability"? I don't see any actual policy-based reason to dismiss the Vice Italy or Hobby Consolas sources, for instance. This seems like a pretty clear GNG pass to me. Mlb96 (talk) 06:13, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To expand: the above commenters are falling into the trap of analyzing Crazy Bus as a video game. The problem is that Crazy Bus barely qualifies as a video game; you're not going to find significant coverage of its gameplay because there is nothing to say about its gameplay beyond "you move left and right." Rather, it should be analyzed through the lens of an interactive art piece. In that framework, we should be looking for sources that contain coverage of its cultural impact. And as it turns out, Crazy Bus's primary cultural impact has been its music. Sources talking about its music are not only appropriate for the GNG analysis, they are crucial to the GNG analysis, and there is absolutely significant coverage in multiple reliable sources about its music. Therefore, it meets GNG. Mlb96 (talk) 06:48, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Crazy Bus was not intended as an "interactive art piece", nor do sources call it that. Mostly, they mock it for being a throwaway tech demo with a terrible soundtrack. You may believe it is, but treating it as one on Wikipedia would be original research or POV editorializing. While there could conceivably be a "Soundtrack of Crazy Bus" article, I'm not even seeing coverage for that in non-Valnet sites. Just random notoriety and popularity. Which doesn't equal notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  How would it be original research or editorializing to write an article to reflect what sources actually say about it rather than trying to shoehorn in things that sources don't bother talking about? If sources talk primarily about its music, then the article should focus on its music; the gameplay doesn't matter because sources aren't talking about the gameplay. I think you're the one editorializing here by demanding sources about aspects that sources don't care about. And trying to compare this to BFDI is ridiculous considering that there literally are multiple sources covering Crazy Bus. Mlb96 (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  
  With respect, "cultural impact" is probably a stretch to infer from wide riffing that a bootleg's menu music sucks. If the answer is "well, there's no complex game or composition to go deeply into, and there isn't much of a background, it's the reaction that matters", there should be some sort of metacommentary about the reception - but the sources don't really show that. But game, interactive art piece or song, the sources barely have anything to say about it in a way that provides meaningful context to substantiate depth of coverage and *that* is the foundational issue for why notability is a concern. If I were drafting this as Crazy Bus (song), I would still cop flak for being unable to reliably corroborate information about who made this, what they made, and so on. These are normal indicators of whether media has recieved significant coverage. On the Nico Nico source, this is just being critical with media - if it is obvious the useful information a reliable source is using comes from an unreliable source, it isn't a particularly strong source. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 11:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  If I were drafting this as Crazy Bus (song), I would still cop flak for being unable to reliably corroborate information about who made this, what they made, and so on. These are normal indicators of whether media has recieved significant coverage. No they aren't? Anonymously-published works are still notable if there has been significant coverage of their impact. Mlb96 (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Agree there are unothodox cases and maybe this is an unorthodox work. But all I mean is that if significant coverage has nothing to talk about but react to the work, it would seem a little harder to characterise it as significant or in depth. And again, most of these sources aren't talking about the impact of the work. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:25, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At this point, I would rather see an WP:ATD proposed. Perhaps a merge/redirect to something game music related? IgelRM (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How about Video games in Latin America if the game is supposed to have impact as an infamous Venezuelan bootleg? There's video game music but the game doesn't seem notable enough to weave in to an article about a medium. List of games notable for negative reception also has higher inclusion standards which wouldn't be met. The article has no mentions other than in List of Sega Genesis games and List of Angry Video Game Nerd episodes which wouldn't allow for a lengthy merge. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Umm... I'm not sure that Latin Americans would feel like the inclusion of Crazy Bus is very flattering to their video gaming legacy, I feel like it would be somewhat UNDUE with no evidence it had any impact besides being a peculiar meme "game". And saying that it is worth mentioning in video game music is even more out there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:50, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree - I suggest it only as an alternative to nothing, but it's barely intuitive - I don't think it's got a good hook on any of these topics. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I think it works as an example on Bootleg games, so expand and redirect there. IgelRM (talk) 17:56, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that works! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:22, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - many notable reviewers, most famously the Angry Video Game Nerd himself, reviewed this game. Passes WP:GNG, but not by a mile. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AVGN is an unreliable source per WP:VG/S. The fact AVGN covered it as a "notable reviewer" on YouTube as WP:USERG is unfortunately not a sound keep rationale. Other than one passing mention in another source, the fact AVGN covered it does not seem to be the basis of any notability in itself. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Importantly, Angry Video Game Nerd is a comedy show, not a real review series. Criticism of poor quality is the gag practically every episode revolves around, making it useless for our purposes. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:36, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The game is famous for being terrible, but it has enough notability. Svartner (talk) 05:48, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree the source analysis is discrediting some sources that are fine and are in fact WP:SIGCOV. Passes WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 05:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is a toss up between "no consensus" and "merge / redirect", but not many people have given views on the latter option. I'd like some, please.
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Bootleg games seems the best candidate for a redirect. This seems fated for no consensus, and I have already amply had my say, but I guess I can add the coverage is easily condensable to a point in that article that it's a particularly notorious Venezuelan bootleg due to its widely panned menu song. I can put some effort into improving that article to include a list of bootlegs with some coverage. This is because the details of gameplay, development or reception lack depth beyond the point that the menu music is bad. But accept that this does not appear to be a consensus opinion and that is ok! Just trying to explain my thoughts best I can. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 09:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Thank you for the source analysis above, it largely confirms my thoughts on them as well. Oaktree b (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on the source analysis. Most sources are situational, and most sources have no significant coverage on the subject. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moritz Baier-Lentz

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No encyclopaedic relevance, self-promotional TmoTom (talk) 00:30, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: While TmoTom (talk · contribs) is the actual nominator, I technically created this page because {{subst:afd2}} was instead inserted both onto the talk page and to directly on the log page itself. My repair is entirely procedural and I offer no opinion of my own. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:08, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, as I usually only contribute to German Wikipedia, I was unsure about the procedure. TmoTom (talk) 23:15, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There is not substantial, independent coverage of Baier-Lentz. His name appears in all of the used sources, but they are non-independent (WP:FORBESCON, companies that Baier-Lentz has worked at like Lightspeed, interviews that do not contribute to notability), one-line mentions that don't go into any depth (New York Times), and routine business announcements (VentureBeat, Axios). -- Recon rabbit 15:39, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Video games, Finance, Germany, and California. Skynxnex (talk) 15:46, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: There are a number of news that cover Baier-Lentz as the main topic directly and aren't routine coverage, both in U.S. outlets (Business Insider, Axios, VentureBeat, PitchBook, TechCrunch, The Information, etc.) and in Germany (FAZ, Die Zeit, Die Welt, etc.). Including recent ones that are not included in the article for discussion, e.g., https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/moritz-baier-lentz-ein-aufsteiger-aus-deutschland-110250233.html. Google shows over 10 pages of results for his name for me. He's also been in numerous well-known German podcasts as a guest like Die Welt or OMR, which is the biggest German podcast featuring people and their background stories.

I don't know about the U.S., but in Germany, Baier-Lentz is one of the most well-known venture capital investors in Silicon Valley. And in the gaming industry, he is probably the best known investor (and most active). The "CEO Forum" that Baier-Lentz organizes every year in San Francisco is the biggest event for gathering all CEOs in gaming (including CEOs of all the publicly listed companies in U.S., Europe, and Asia), which would clearly indicate to me that Baier-Lentz is a notable and instrumental person in the global gaming & interactive media industry.

Aside from what is covered in the article, he does a lot of work advising high school and college students and co-authored a book that was in the Spiegel bestsellers in Germany last year, which is how I got to know him and why I am trying to move to the U.S. (and I know the same is true for many others). Maximilian.ludwig (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Keep:

Multiple articles from sources that are independent, in English and German language, cover Baier-Lentz as the main subject or a key element (not only one-line), and clearly satisfy WP:NBASIC, including but not limited to:

- Axios: https://www.axios.com/pro/media-deals/2023/01/18/lightspeed-gaming-moritz-baier-lentz

- Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-lightspeed-newest-vc-partner-became-top-gaming-investor-2023-1

- Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.de/gruenderszene/business/dieser-vc-lief-eines-der-haertesten-rennen-der-welt-und-verraet-wie-er-neben-dem-job-dafuer-trainierte/

- FAZ: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/moritz-baier-lentz-ein-aufsteiger-aus-deutschland-110250233.html

- GamesBeat: https://gamesbeat.com/lightspeed-picks-up-moritz-baier-lentz-to-lead-game-investments/

- Google Talks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EXAJOxFIE

- OMR: https://omr.com/de/daily/moritz-baier-lentz

- Pitchbook: https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/lightspeed-gaming-vc-investment-web3

- The Information: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/screentime-the-venture-investor-who-runs-through-antarctica-in-silence

- TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/16/general-intuition-lands-134m-seed-to-teach-agents-spatial-reasoning-using-video-game-clips/

- TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/gaming-focused-investment-firm-bitkraft-closes-in-on-at-least-140-million-for-its-second-fund/

- VentureBeat: https://venturebeat.com/games/game-changers-top-game-startup-list-returns-with-lightspeed-gamesbeat-and-nasdaq/

- WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/world-models-ai-evolution-11275913

Beyond that, Baier-Lentz is widely recognized for his contributions in the gaming industry, including but not limited to: (a), In both 2023 and 2024, Baier-Lentz has been the leading venture capital investor in gaming and interactive media globally; having led rounds of aggregated $162 million and $252 million across both years, respectively. (b) Host of CEO Forum (largest CEO gathering in the gaming industry). (c) Creator of Game Theory (podcast hosting major industry CEOs) and Game Changers (largest annual gaming startup competition). He has also received multiple competitive awards relevant to his industry, including but not limited to 30 Under 30 (Forbes), 40 Under 40 (Capital), and Young Global Leaders (World Economic Forum). Ruisleipae-helsinki (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The FAZ piece linked above, while rather reading like an ad, is significant coverage. However, I would consider a merge/redirect to Lightspeed Venture Partners. IgelRM (talk) 01:12, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Reconrabbit. Go D. Usopp (talk) 06:54, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Essentially per Reconrabbit also. On the FAZ article, I find it too heavily based off quotes to be considered independent, that may also be why Igel is finding it reads like an ad. No matter how important someone is, we cannot have an article based off WP:SPIP. I'm not so convinced Lightspeed Venture Partners should remain either, it currently appears to be based off routine coverage of funding rounds, however it may be some time before I am able to nominate it. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:20, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Wikipedia article itself needs major improvements, but the subject himself seems notable, per Maximilian.ludwig. and Ruisleipae-helsinki.

The FAZ article provides substantial amount of information

https://archive.is/20250124074456/https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/moritz-baier-lentz-ein-aufsteiger-aus-deutschland-110250233.html.

The one by SiGMA is short but also to the point and not promotional :

https://sigma.world/news/gaming-sector-boosted-by-leading-venture-capital-firm/ Deamonpen (talk) 09:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A substantial amount of information directly from the subject, which would not be independent. The same applies to SiGMA, which is a company announcement. Using SPIP as the basis for an article contradicts the relevant guidelines. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SiGMA is an article created on the occasion of him being hired, but that does not equal being a company announcement. The FAZ article is not an interview and is written largely in the author's own voice. Deamonpen (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe I have said that the FAZ article "is an interview". I have said the FAZ article is information directly from the subject, which is trivially evident if you look at all the aus der Sicht von Baier-Lentz and In Baier-Lentz’ eigenen Worten etc in the article (or, if no german, the quotation marks could be a hint). It's also ridiculously obvious it's a puff piece, you do not put words like Menschen wir Baier-Lentz braucht das Land, man sollte sie kennen. in serious journalism. (wir sprechen ihn frisch neu eingekleidet auf dem Weltwirtschaftsforum in Davos und lassen ihn weitestgehend in eigenen Worten über sein Leben berichten. translates to we spoke to him, freshly dressed, at the World Economic Forum in Davos and let him tell his story largely in his own words. by the way). I am seriously questioning if we are even reading the same article. Alpha3031 (t • c) 23:36, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per Ruisleipae-helsinki and Deamonpen, and while I agree the article itself can be improved, the subject is clearly notable. That some included articles in themselves do not satisfy WP:NBASIC does not take away from the fact that many others clearly do (see Ruisleipae-helsinki for some of them), including FAZ (which is the second largest German newspaper by circulation, excluding tabloid Bild) and the the article was written by its Editor-in-Chief. For additional consideration of notability, and not included in the current version of the article, I found that Baier-Lentz earlier this year also co-founded General Intuition, which raised over $130 million in funding, reportedly the largest initial funding round in the gaming industry in history. Some coverage around this include The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/column/801370/ai-world-models-general-intuition-medal), Sources (https://sources.news/p/a-new-bet-on-what-comes-after-llms), Gamesbeat (https://gamesbeat.com/general-intuition-raises-133-7m-to-build-an-ai-frontier-research-lab-for-the-game-industry/), Techcrunch (https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/16/general-intuition-lands-134m-seed-to-teach-agents-spatial-reasoning-using-video-game-clips/), and the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/world-models-ai-evolution-11275913). This effort (in addition to the fact that much of Baier-Lentz's notable work precedes his tenure at Lightspeed) also make the case for a standalone article vs. a merge proposed by IgelRM. Lastly, Lightspeed is one of the ten (probably top five) most notable venture-capital firms globally. I do agree their article can be significantly improved as well (per Alpha3031) and better, neutral sources are easily available. But it clearly warrants notability from my perspective; as do Baier-Lentz and other Lightspeed partners, such as Jeremy Liew or Michael Mignano. Mosaic2022 (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree their article can be significantly improved as well (per Alpha3031) would be a misrepresentation of what I have said. Alpha3031 (t • c) 22:22, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, that's very fair. I should have said "in response to" and not "per". Mosaic2022 (talk) 00:40, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it I guess. I'm glad you're willing to clarify things when called out, but I still don't really see what being able to improve the article has to do with anything I said, considering my assertion is that all of the coverage is WP:SPIP (press releases, interviews, content substantially based off such press releases and interviews) and you've made no assertion otherwise, for FAZ or any other of the sources. You don't even need to be able to read german to be able to tell that it's primarily based on quotes, but such choice sentences like Menschen wir Baier-Lentz braucht das Land, man sollte sie kennen. really highlight what kind of source article this is. You can improve the article all you like, but if these are the sources we're working with... Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. To further clarify, my comment in relation to you was for Lightspeed, not Baier-Lentz. As it relates to FAZ, as I mentioned above, I'd argue it's among Germany's most reputable (probably leading together with Sueddeutsche Zeitung) and highest-circulation newspapers, and the author for this particle article on Baier-Lentz was the FAZ's Editor-in-Chief, which should only lend it additional credibility. For what it's worth, a Google search for "most reputable German written sources" retrieves FAZ as the first result as well. Mosaic2022 (talk) 17:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe I've mentioned reliability of FAZ. This does not appear to show an understanding of the issue at hand. Alpha3031 (t • c) 23:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Subject appears notable enough, but the article needs a serious de-WP:PROMO-ing; currently reads like a corporate bio page. RunningOnBrains^(talk) 16:26, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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