Mjroots

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This user has written or expanded 233 articles featured in the Did You Know section on the Main Page.

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		The 25 DYK Medal
		For achieving your 25th Did You Know? I hereby award you this big fat medal. Well done. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

		The 50 DYK Medal
		Trams, mills, railways ... I think Isambard would have been proud of your approach particulary the French ideas, but he would have barred our veteran editor from further progression for supporting a railway that was merely a metre. But he's not here! So more seriously, thank you on behalf of the wiki. (Let me tell you though that the 100 one s a really cool yellowy gold colour). Good luck with the GA and cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

		The 100 DYK Medal
		As I told you at 50 ... the 100 DYK medal is a really cool shade of yellow. I hope you are not disappointed, as the wiki is not regretful at all of your efforts. Well done. The wiki gets better due to your contributions and its a pleasure to thank you again on behalf of the wiki. See you at 200? Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

		The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		The D.Y.K. Project thanks you for your tireless contributions. The Interior (Talk) 17:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for PS Castalia

Thank you for thanking me. I actually noticed only one of the typos, but I use Firefox and it apparently spellchecks everything by default. When I went into edit mode, not only was the error I noticed underlined with a wavy line, so were other things. I had to sort out the genuine mistakes from a lot of "false positives"; I hope I didn't change anything that was right.

You are obviously a very active contributor to Wikipedia. I am mostly a consumer -- I benefit from the work you and others like you do. Thank you very much.

I have no idea whether this is the right place for this comment. You replied to my talk page and this is your talk page, so I hope it is. If not, you will move it. Gms3591 (talk) 07:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Want to expand Peace in Africa for a DYK?

Hi Mjroots, you and Haus seem to have good access to merchant marine sources. Want to expand Peace in Africa (ship) for DYK? Djembayz (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Any additions to Malahat (schooner) at DYK?

Hi again! I've put in a self nom for Malahat (schooner) at DYK. Perhaps you can spruce it up a bit. Djembayz (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 1912 Brooklands Flanders Monoplane crash

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Bump. Chris857 (talk) 03:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/De Akkermolen

Ping. Hope you're doing well. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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DYK nomination of Wendhausen Windmill

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DYK nomination of Godmersham Park

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Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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Guide to temporary accounts

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Aviation

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Comac c919 engine

Reference don't support the text, which states "CFM supplied CFM56 engines". Sayanpdd (talk) 05:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sayanpdd: isn't the LEAP engine a development of the CFM56? Which particular reference in the Comac C919 article do you mean? Mjroots (talk) 05:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

i send you references articles which are attached with the misleading part, I read the full article ,no where the article mentions that Comac c919 use rebadged CFM-56 engines. Sayanpdd (talk) 08:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the LEAP engine is the successor to the CFM56,but the text mentioned that CFM supplied Comac with rebadged CFM-56 is misleading. yes, leap-c version is more heavy ,but components are identical with other leap engines and it's more matched with leap-A.Also the reference does not match the misleading text.

Reference that is used:-

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2022/09/20/china-comac-c919-boeing-airbus/

https://web.archive.org/web/20181013014334/https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA%20E110%20TCDS%20Issue%207%20LEAP-1A-1C.pdf

Sayanpdd (talk) 06:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sayanpdd: - I claim no "ownership" of the article. If you think that a correction needs to be made, be bold and make it, using your source to reference the correction. Mjroots (talk) 08:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The section, which I am taking about need to be deleted , what reference I should add when it is misleading.

Lastly, you should undo the revision you did on my edit on Comac 919 article. Sayanpdd (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sayanpdd: Apologies, I've just realised what this is about. I'll copy this conversation over to the talk page of the aircraft article, and ping others involved. Hopefully we can get consensus on this. Mjroots (talk) 09:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 for deletion

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Lolzer3000 (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 for deletion

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Nomination of 2009 Aéro-Frêt An-12 crash for deletion

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Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Split proposal

How long is that proposal going to keep pending? Nagito Komaeda the Second (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Nagito Komaeda the Second: - I'd like to let it run another week or so. It's still linked from WT:AV, so people can still find the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you for answering. Nagito Komaeda the Second (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Split proposal part 2

Sorry for continuing this topic but as you see, not many people have voiced their opinions regarding your proposal and all but one of those who partook were against the split. Maybe we should terminate this proposal or at least postpone it and maybe try again later when the frequency on the page is higher. Don't take this as an insult, I simply feel it drags longer than it needs to. Nagito Komaeda the Second (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Nagito Komaeda the Second: - I'd already closed the proposal as "no consensus". Three votes against and two for. The issue may be looked at again at some point in the future. Mjroots (talk) 06:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Understood Nagito Komaeda the Second (talk) 12:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of 2019 Northrop N-9M crash for deletion

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Geotags, Grid refs etc,

Geo Links and Geograph

There are problems with your suggestion- which is the reason I haven't done it. There is a discussion forum Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates that is discussing the whole thing. The crux is that many people are unhappy if the link goes to one site, no matter how useful, and believes that the link should only go to GeoHack, where the reader can choose the map they want. There are a lot of unhappy people there. I have a problem with the way we are doing the conversion. It looks great, but if we edit either gridref or the location then the other doesn't change. In looking for a solution, I have been looking at the maths and a lot doesn't add up, this coupled with the volatility of forum, I have been hanging back. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, and thanks for the contact. To me this looks good, but (and it is a big but) I'm afraid the issue appears more complex and contentious than I had first anticipated. I'm also not particularly "clued-up" about which system is good and which is bad, which seems to be part of an ongoing debate. All I know is that there should be a standard system, and these should be included as part of the text for settlements in the UK. Have you taken this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox geotags- looks as it will take some time. Its on my list! ClemRutter (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Checking inline geotags

• Now the accuracy of OStoWiki has been corrected (+/- 2m) all previous references may need tweaking.
• The GeoHack tool now has a new interface and at the bottom of the GB section, under the dangerously inaccurate grid reference is a fantastic tool called Map of all Coordinates in article.
• I tried it on the Loose stream, and because of it I I'm going to make another tweak to OStoWiki.

ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It is perfectly safe to use: the next tweak will be an enhancementClemRutter (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Oscoor

Thanks for the reminder. Although I use OS maps within multimap to find things, multimap gives DMS output, and the numbering of the OS gridlines in the display tends to be hidden; so I tend to think I'm not ever going to use {{oscoor}}. However your intervention did cause me to go back and read the national grid system article, so as to understand the resolution of various lengths of OS coordinate. As I would not have done this without your intervention; thanks! --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Problem with gbmapping and oscoor templates

Hi, There seems to be a small inaccuracy in the translation of OSGB coords to WGS84. I've mentioned it here and here but haven't found anyone who might be able to fix it. Do you know where it would be best to raise it, please?--Cavrdg (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Grid refs

I did not like having to display grid refs without spaces. At long last I have got round to asking someone and doing this very simple edit. The php that it calls was already prepared to receive spaces. That means you could do this edit to other articles that call oscoor (which is now a redirect). But certainly, I suggest using {{gbmappingsmall}} in any future case. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I have now implemented oscoor elimination as a tool - see Template talk:oscoor. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Geograph

Moved from my user page
Yes indeed! A terrific place for browsing old memories and old haunts as well! Thanks for the reminder. Palmeira (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, the FAQ says CC-BY-SA-2.0 but I think that should still usable. We just have to maintain attribution. LeadSongDog come howl! 03:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Mills

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Proposed deletion of List of windmills in Friesland (T–V)

The article List of windmills in Friesland (T–V) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unclear why we would need such a detailed list of a type of building, most of which are not individually notable and no longer existing. Replicating other, highly specialised databases here is not really the purpose of Wikipedia.

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Nomination of List of windmills in Friesland (T–V) for deletion

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Oldland Mill

Hi,hope you had a good Christmas. Back in 2008 you moved Oldland Mill to Oldland Mill, Keymer for consistency with other windmill articles. Does this still apply? As far as I can tell, no disambiguation is required and I'm inclined to move it back, but I'll leave it where it is if necessary. — Voice of Clam (talk) 19:42, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

@Voice of Clam: - My personal preference is mill name, location. But if you want to move it back, I won't object. Mjroots (talk) 15:52, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

I've put in a move request, rather than acting unilaterally. — Voice of Clam (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2026 (UTC)

People

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Lizzy Rose

hi MjRoots thank you for your comments on the draft page on Lizzy Rose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lizzy_Rose#Things_I_have_learned_the_hard_way_-_retrospective_(2023)

The comments have been resolved but I don't seem able to remove them so it can be approved - and I can't seem to talk directly to the person who made those comments. Is this something you could do? Thanks so much Chopschopschops (talk) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Chopschopschops: I'm satisfied that it is in a fit condition, and have moved the draft to Lizzy Rose in mainspace. Mjroots (talk) 17:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

That's amazing, thank you so, so so much - it means the world to me Chopschopschops (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Chopschopschops: of course, that means other editors are likely to rip your hard work to pieces work on and improve the article. Mjroots (talk) 17:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

haha of course :) I have edits I want to make too so I'm sure I can handle that (I do comms as a job so it goes with the territory) Chopschopschops (talk) 17:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Brian E. Kinsella - Meritorious Public Service medal Recipient

Hi Mjroots,

I am new on Wikipedia, and joined as I want to write articles about individuals I find notable for their efforts to change the world for the better, but who are often overlooked, due to the massive amounts of bigger biographies to read out there.

I have spent some time now to ensure that my first article was in the review queue as a Class-B prediction. But I am not sure what happens now? I tried to request an assessment from the Military History portal, which is how I received a notification on an edit from you, but it didn't show up on the self-request page at all.

I've ensured my article is well documented with 2nd degree sources of citations/references, and have optimized my writing to the best of my ability to be accurate, factual and unbiased.

You are clearly a veteran on here, any advice as to what I can do to have my first article published?

Thank you so much in advance, and I hope I hear from you.

Best,

Mwikiforce

Mwikiforce (talk) 21:59, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mwikiforce: - the proto-article looks fine. I've removed bolding from a section header per MOS. I don't forsee any problems with it being promoted. You'll just need to wait for a reviewer. Mjroots (talk) 07:00, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mjroots,

Thank you SO much for taking the time to look at it! You can’t imagine how much I appreciate that! Does that usually take the four months that is suggested?

Bedankt!

MWikiforce Mwikiforce (talk) 12:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Pictures

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Could you help me with a WikiMedia related matter

@Mjroots: I found a copyright-free image of SS Richard Montgomery in-tact on Flickr here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/135648140@N02/29712569787/in/photolist-MgAFPZ-MgAFNX-3bjAY9-msjJWT-Wu34UT-2meaP83-62XCiC-2mdDgXQ-2mdDgX9-Zx132W-2mdC9WW-2fznVGe-DhSdV-5RotDB-ee23TP-hW8STy-ee7JBY-2mdHhWN-8Mb6um-hW8UHd-MW8dtk-8xhE19-2kTDwb8-bsBZeg-2mAXCAv-2j4gyDU-2mBqEZF-2gG27BY-d4jQ2q-6rMion-N4FHnk-Wo4fmQ-2mdFUK4-MNmew1-fHiaXM-42nTc4-2mdDgWC-2mdDgWh-3bf7U4-DhScL-XUhoJW-j7xvB6-2cUFbek-bKyiBP-2mdHhXu-mYis9M-3bf7Cp-pdmuju-3bf7bi-725zc9 But, it was speedy deleted, without discussion because the image was also on VesselFinder, and because of that, the image was somehow "Copyrighted by VesselFinder" even though VesselFinder images are user-generated content, and the image was used by many news sources without copyright disclaimers. I wanna reupload the image while specifying it's on Flickr, but I'm scared that if I do, I'll be reprimanded. Could you do it for me? Thebrakeman2 (talk) 15:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Thebrakeman2: - that image is not copyright free, it states " All rights reserved " under the date of uploading. It might be possible to use the image under "fair use" rules, but as a standard Liberty ship it could well be argued that any other image on such would also be just as useful. Mjroots (talk) 17:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Ok, how would I go about doing that? Thebrakeman2 (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Thebrakeman2: - You need to read WP:FAIRUSE and WP:FUR. All 10 points of NFCCP need to be met. Mjroots (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Could you possibly help me with that? Also, which points?

@Thebrakeman2: - WP:NFCCP - all 10 points have to be met. You're going to struggle to meet point 1 I fear. Mjroots (talk) 19:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Are there that many other photos of Mongomery in-tact? Thebrakeman2 (talk) 21:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The problem is, that as a standard Liberty ship, she looked no different to hundreds of other Liberty ships. This image conveys the same info and is usable. Mjroots (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

This image needs to be renamed

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Christopher_Elbert_at_the_National_Railway_Museum,_York,_1982.jpg has several issues in its titling. The subject is named "Christopher Awdry", not "Elbert", and the image was taken in at least 1987 (the book he is reading was published that year). I can't seem to figure out how to rename it myself, so I'm gonna ask you to do it instead (you seem like a good admin). Cheers! 108.48.97.70 (talk) 00:57, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@108.48.97.70: unfortunately I'm only an admin on en-Wiki, not at Commons. That said, I've put in a request for the file to be moved to the title you suggested. Should be done in a day or two. Mjroots (talk) 05:51, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

The rename to c:File:Christopher Awdry at the National Railway Museum, York, 1982.jpg went through at 06:16 today. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:48, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to bother, but it appears that only one of the two errors was corrected. The file name still says "1982" instead of 1987, when the book in the photo was published. Shouldn't this be corrected too? If we needed a source for that (and I don't think we do), then it could be easily found. 151.188.25.140 (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@108.48.97.70: I've put in another rename request. Sorry I missed it first time round! Mjroots (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Places

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Queenstown

Thanks - if you could just remind me which article I did that on I can change it?— Rod ^talk 18:28, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I now see you changed the dab on List of shipwrecks in April 1851. Thanks.— Rod ^talk 18:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I probably did it that way because Queenstown, County Cork doesn't appear at Queenstown.— Rod ^talk 18:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Railways

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Help in requesting a page be moved.

I'm not exactly sure how to propose a page being moved, so, could I ask you, the resident "transportation admin", for help. I want to move Lee Hall station to Lee Hall Depot under WP:CommonName, as "station" is much more rarely used than "Depot", like in articles, the NRHP listing, travel sites, etc. This would be the third step in one of the multiple things I wanna do involving the page, the first and second, being category reform and making descriptions on other pages more accurate, are complete. The next step is massive page revamps, and the page is massively outdated, and undersized.

Thanks for the help, signed - 108.45.170.249 (talk) 15:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@108.45.170.249: I can move the article over the redirect, but is "depot" capitalized or not? You can always file a move request at WP:RM, in this case under "technical requests" as I don't think there will be much controversy with the move. Mjroots (talk) 15:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

The redirect has depot capitalized, and I'd say that most sources capitalize it, and that most "Bla Bla Station"/"PLACEHOLDER Depot" make the Station part capitalized. 108.45.170.249 (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@108.45.170.249: I've moved the article for you. The lede will need rewriting to cover both titles. BTW, you don't need to use {{Re}} on someones's talk page. Mjroots (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the tip, and the help. Would you mind moving https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lee_Hall_station and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16894038 for me? Thanks - 108.45.170.249 (talk) 23:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC).

@108.45.170.249: I can't move Commons stuff. You'll have to put in a move request for that over at Commons. As for Wikidata, Tagishsimon and Pigsonthewing are the experts. Mjroots (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@108.45.170.249 Wikidata done. Will do commons once I'm not on my mobile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Commons now done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

::Thank you so much @Pigsonthewing:! 108.45.170.249 (talk) 13:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC).

Proposed deletion of German trawler V 206 Otto Bröhan

The article German trawler V 206 Otto Bröhan has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No evidence of any notability, just a name among many in some lists, and an entry in Lloyd's which doesn't indicate any notability. No actual reliable, indepth sources about this ship apparently. Perhaps there is a good redirect target?

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Nomination of German trawler V 206 Otto Bröhan for deletion

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Hi again! Could you run a Citation Bot on Lee Hall Depot

I’ve been expanding the article a lot, but with reciting and all that, the citations are getting messy. So, since I can’t, could you run the Citation Bot on the page for me? Thanks for all the help. 108.45.170.249 (talk) 22:06, 26 May 2022 (UTC).

@108.45.170.249: - I don't run any bots. Will take a look at the article for you. Mjroots (talk) 06:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Ref #1 is a deadlink. Refs #3, 10 and 17 not available in UK so I can't tell if its dead or alive. Ref #9 I get an access denied message. Refs #11 and 15 are to Facebook, fails WP:RS. Ref #16 unavailable (in UK) due to legal reasons. Mjroots (talk) 06:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so I updated Ref 1, amd Refs 3, 10, 17, 9, and 16 all work fine for me. And, for Refs 11/15, if's their official Facebook page. It's like their official website since the old one was taken down. Also, when I said, run a citation bot, I meant to use this thing: https://citations.toolforge.org/ 108.48.97.70 (talk) 09:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC).

Nuneham Railway Bridge

I can't see the Sunday Times article that you cite, as it is behind a pay wall. But I wonder whether you have quoted it accurately in that the current problem is with the *south* abutment, not the north one. The north abutment is solidly built and is causing no problems. Should your second sentence perhaps read "It stated that the south abutment should have been completely rebuilt, but this was not done due to the Great Depression"? TedColes (talk) 10:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@TedColes: try this link, which should allow you access to the article and give you access to a 1 month free trial of The Times and The Sunday Times. I might have misread the article, will edit the bridge article. Mjroots (talk) 10:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. TedColes (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

"Tunbridge railway station" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Croydon (Woodside) to East Grinstead

Hi, I see from Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways/Sources that you have Country Railway Routes: Croydon (Woodside) to East Grinstead - are you able to add content to Riddlesdown railway station? See also Wikipedia talk:Notability#RfC: Notability and British Rail stations. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I can. Currently creating the last missing Kent station, Margate East. I'll see if I can add anything before the Grand Prix starts at 12:00 BST, otherwise it will have to wait until after the race. Mjroots (talk) 10:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

There wasn't much I could add. Gave the article a slightly better structure though. Mjroots (talk) 13:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of 2015 Phachi collision for deletion

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Nomination of Dien Sanh train crash for deletion

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Stonehaven derailment

Hey MJ, I've taken a look and have moved this article to A-Class, but I do feel that it could easily be GA. As the main contributor to the article (around 35%), I would encourage you do to this, it could pass fairly easily! Then again, I'm uninformed about the GA processes, so if you think not, then not to worry, haha. Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 11:47, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

I reverted it, because I cannot find any indication that a formal WP:ACLASS review has been conducted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

I rarely review articles and have little intention of doing so, but I remain firm that it could get to GA, at least. Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 21:05, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Railway accidents involving a signal passed at danger

Hi, regarding this edit: does the category include signaller's errors, such as when the signaller authorised a train to pass a signal at danger into a section that was in fact occupied? For example, Seer Green rail crash. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:05, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

I'd say yes. Passing a signal at danger is what happened. The category is not concerned with why it happened, that is for articles. Feel free to add to the note if you feel further clarification is required. Mjroots (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

Rivers

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River Len

Mike I feel quite pleased with myself! I had found the relatively new Geobox|rivers at River Trent and investigated. You will now see the result at this article (I took an easy one first!). There may well be other information - I couldn't work out the coordinates, and in any case a river covers more than one; couldn't find the exact length; and dunno if there is anywhere to be able to get flow rates etc. You may well be able to add more tributaries - I took the ones you had alraedy mentioned under the mills. None of the blanks come out until you give some information. I had also discovered the exact location of the source - a historical document on the Medway; I'm sure you also know more about its course, although perhaps that isn't too important. Peter Peter Shearan (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mill symbols

As you see I have put two new symbols into your sandbox article. Just a quick fix. Using mills in this way is quite an extension. Come September we need to define what symbols we need- mills with weirs for example, millponds goits. I have been visiting the Dark Peak and realise how much more important water engineering was in the 1780s and the growth of the Cotton Industry. Still I am taking a break now. ClemRutter (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been talking with guys at WP:RIVERS and trying to work out what icon system to recommend. In a nutshell, the cyan worms are out, rivers are dark blue unless you need to differentiate- then non-navigable are light blue and navigable are darkblue. but I am still working on it. You have source at the top. River Len, Kent seems to be correct. See also Manchester Ship Canal for an upside down example. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers#Route diagrams gives the discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cadeau

fr:Fichier:LeteaMill.jpg is heel mooi! --ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Medway diagram

This takes a little thought. I like diagrams- very useful for showing mill locations- but there is a convention on canals that navigable should be darkblue and non navigable light blue. The tails as steams meet the river seem clunky. I have been concerned about the representation of reservoirs for some time- is a reservoir navigable or not- how do you show the dam bypass channel. In the simple case: a truncated salami would do- but they often are constructed at the confluence of several rivers. A lot of icons need some thought- and that will take a little time- I will put it on the list. (Some mills are on the wrong bank but that is minor). --ClemRutter (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I have put in far too many hours playing with the diagram on my talk page. Please look over- and see if there is anything to add- you will need to proof read the position of the mills relative to the new locks, and the addition of the Beult and the two mouths of the Teise. I have added some new icons to Template:Waterways legend particularly putting curved dams on reservoirs. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

To be positive: it is getting there. A few of your changes I don"t like. A river is a hydrographical item, as well as cultural one. The first uncollapsed diagram needs to stand in its own right, and give the reader basic infomation about its course. The collapsed bits need to show the twidddly bits, that the Teise at Yalding has bifurcated, and where mills were situated. When the course is a navigation we need info on the locks. Background colour needs to show whether the river is tidal, a navigation, or non-navigable. The section names are taken from the NRA, and are used by the waterways community- I don't think Lower Mid Upper is really informative. The whole diagram (uncollapsed) needs to be complete and informative in itself. I think that we should do another round of rollbacks and improvement then wrap it in a template and ask the WP:RIVERS for comment on any points where policy decisions need to be made. I would like to use it as a model to be attached to their policy page. I then want to code up the River Etherow, Irk, Irwell, Medlock, Goyt can't you just smell the cotton. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, width is critical when using collapsable box- expand all the section to see it isn't broken by the change. Titles a lot better- I took one look and thought- I knew I was about to to do that-- but I can't remember having done it. These wretched dock icons look awful- I am going to redo them- I cant see why a narrow dock should be five times wider than the river. I am more concerned about the length if the diagram, then allowing the diagram to be included in Kent pages that make a mention to the Medway. Then into Infoboxes.I am uploading images along the commons:Portland Basin- Ashton Canal at the moment.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you know this one? Template:Medway Navigation--ClemRutter (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

River Medway
00.0 Source TQ 334 359 51.10694°N 0.09361°W / 51.10694; -0.09361 00.0 Upper Reaches  B2028  Fen Place Mill  B2110  Bluebell Railway West Hoathly Stream Weir Wood Reservoir Mill Place Foundry East Grinstead Stream Brambletye Mill  A22  Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells Central Line Tablehurst Mill Parrock Forge Hartfield Iron Mill  B2026  Hartfield Stream Warren Brook Waterdown Forest Stream Groombridge Stream Ashurst Mill  A264  Oxted Line Kent Water Ashurst Furnace Chafford Mills  B2188  Poundbridge Stream Barden Mill Stream Pound Mill 00.0 River Eden to Leigh River Eden  B2176  Ensfield Mill Ensfield Road Limit of navigation Redhill to Tonbridge Line  A21  Ramhurst Mill Powder Mills 00.0 Leigh to Yalding South Eastern Main Line Tonbridge Tonbridge High Street  B2260  28 Town Lock Town Mill Cannon Lane  A26  Southborough Bourne 25.6 Eldridge Lock 24 Porters Lock Hartlake Road 22 East Lock Tudeley Brook Pen Stream 20.8 Oak Weir Lock River Bourne Sluice Weir Lock Branbridges Mill Branbridges  A228  Medway Valley Line 00.0 Yalding to Allington Lock Site of Stoneham Lock River Teise Greater Teise Sluice Twyford Bridge  B2162  Lesser Teise River Beult Hampstead Mill Hamptons Bridge  B2162  15.3 Hampstead Lock Breden's Boatyard Hampstead Marina Hampstead Lane Canal Wateringbury Stream Wateringbury Bridge West Farleigh Stream 10.4 Teston Lock Teston Bridge  B2163  Barming Bridge East Farleigh Bridge 7.5 Farleigh Lock Line to Tovil Goods station Loose Stream River Len  A20   A20  Maidstone Maidstone East Line Boxley Stream Allington Castle 00.0 Allington Lock to Rochester Allington Lock  M20  Cossington Stream Aylesford Bridge East Malling Stream Friars Mill Addington Brook Holborough Brook Peters Bridge Borstal Mill Cuxton Mill High Speed 1  M2  Priory Mill Strood Tide Mill Rochester Rochester Bridge  A2  Chatham Main Line Strood, Thames and Medway Canal Chatham Chatham Tide Mill Chatham Dockyard Medway Tunnel  A289  Gillingham The Swale Isle of Sheppey Thames Estuary   TQ 903 758

Well it is certainly ready to be wrapped in a template- so I have. We can do further editing there {{River Medway map}}. I did do one change as the Tidal estuary is downstream from Rochester.

True. There is a limit to the sort of ship you can drive under Rochester Bridge. I think the commissioner of HM Dockyard would agree with me. The London Stone is at Upnor, which is/was the upstream limit of the Port of London- but Rochester is miles from the Swale or Thames. This wrretched river never does things simply!--ClemRutter (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Rivers

I have been putting a bit of input into Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers‎; that may interest you. Later tonight I will be posting some of the changes. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:River Waveney map

Hi. I notice you have updated the River Waveney map, but was a little surprised to see that it now runs from south to north. One of the problems of the transposition is that several of the adjoining rivers are now shown on the wrong side. Oulton Broad should be on the other side, as should the River Yare, and the Haddiscoe cut is no longer clearly labelled. I was going to try to sort it out but am a bit short of time at the moment. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I am back from holiday now, and have moved Oulton Broad, Haddiscoe Cut and the River Bure back to where they should be, corrected the direction of the locks, and produced a windmill symbol for the windmills. However, I have no sources for which side of the river the windmills should be on, and as the river and Haddiscoe Cut have now been transposed, wondered if you could just check them. Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Givors canal

Hi, given your interest in France and transport and the fact that it's been sitting weeks, I wondered if you'd care to review this one for GA? If you;re not feeling very well I understand though, sorry to hear about that. Your talk page could do with archiving though its 159 kb! Hope you had a good Christmas!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Ships

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Shipwreck lists

It's nice, Mjroots, to see you taking up some missing years. I am just curious about why many [all?] references to newspaper sources are without page numbers or, assuming that you have not been poring over hard copies, URLs. - Davidships (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

@Davidships: - it's the way the Gale Newsvault website outputs results. For The Times, page numbers are always provided. For other newspapers, they are not. You get the article. To obtain the page number from there you have to go to the issue, then find the actual page. Doing this would significantly slow down the process of adding to the lists. I don't provide a url because I access Gale via the Kent County Library website in the UK. If I were to provide a url, it would only link to the log-in page for the library (I think). This should be "Shipping Intelligence". Freeman's Journal. Dublin. 15 April 1890.. Let me know where it leads. Mjroots (talk) 19:18, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

As you expected, that URL only took me to the Gale log-in page, with your log-in ref in place, so that will not work for me as it has the wrong library and ticket no. I agree that that is useless to use, but there is a universal URL for that article which should work for anyone logged in to Gale Primary Sources (either via a library or by subscription). Having accessed the article through my own Norfolk access, I can see, top right, a "Get Link" button which reveals the URL to be copied. Does that work for you? If not, try it without the "&xid=4c94a469" at the end. And just in front of that is "&sPage=3"! The page number is also on the article screen: on the tool bar just above the image there is a "3" in box, to navigate between pages (the following "/3" seems to be some sort of identifier for a section of that page, which doesn't concern us).

Does that work for you? - Davidships (talk) 21:13, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

@Davidships: - Yes, it does work. Mjroots (talk) 06:17, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

Glad to see that works. I'm sorry that my wikitime is rather limited at present, so cannot join in the retrofitting yet. - Davidships (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

French brig Hazard (1788)

Thanks for adding the entry to the 1796 wrecks list, presumably prompted by the ship article's AfD. I've added a ref as I have the Roche book. But that raises a dilemma. Roche has a loss date of 28/10, whereas the article has 25/10 (citing an Archives Nationales book, which I cannot access online). The Threedecks entry has no specific October date, citing Demerliac, confirmed in snippet view, page 83. So, should I move the shipwreck entry to 28/10, leaving it at variance with French brig Hazard (1788) (assuming that survives)? - Davidships (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

@Davidships: You could add "Also reported lost on 28 October." with the reference for that date. Mjroots (talk) 03:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I've updated both articles. - Davidships (talk) 20:32, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

Russian shipwreck sources

Hi, @Mjroots. Considering your recent activity I've seen while gnoming, I thought maybe you'd be interested in s:ru:Chronicle of shipwrecks and fires of the Russian fleet 1713–1853 (1855) and s:ru:Chronicle of wrecks and other disastrous incidents of warships of the Russian fleet (1874). Both are written in pre-reform orthography Russian, but it looks like Google Translate doesn't mind that too much. Having checked some of the ship names, these texts seem to include incidents and/or details not mentioned in the Chernyshev book you've previously cited. Can't say I'm into ships myself, but I came across these sources while double-checking an article, and they don't seem to come up in enwiki insource: search, so I thought I'd mention them just in case. Gamapamani (talk) 01:06, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

@Gamapamani: Thanks for those. Will check them out later. Mjroots (talk) 03:14, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

@Mjroots Glad I could help. A few remarks, if I may:

• The author's name is Sokolov, not Solokov. :)
• /1855 (ДО) is a version dab (s:ru:Help:Adding texts#Text versions) and not part of the book title, so it probably shouldn't be included with {{cite book}} (nor /55, since it's not a YYYY/YYYY thing).
• I didn't notice earlier, but there's also a converted modern orthography version /1855 (ВТ:Ё), which might yield better translation results. Both versions are sourced to the same scan DJVU also at s:ru, so I guess in terms of referencing neither has priority.
• The other book also has a modernized /1874 (ВТ) version, but that one is quite incomplete. Gamapamani (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, corrections made. I also added the author's name to the citation. Mjroots (talk) 03:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I just realized that there's a discrepancy with the dates of the Russian wrecks in many of the older shipwreck lists. The Russian chronicles published in 18XX are obviously using the Julian calendar in effect in Russia at the time. I compared some of the dates (Vyborg, 11 July 1713; Narva, 27 June 1715; Minerva, 11 October 1774; Prints Gustaf, 30 October 1798; Iosif, 11 October 1804) between the 1855 chronicle and the 2012 Chernyshev book to which most of the older Russian entries are sourced – and Chernyshev is also using Julian dates, likely because Russian Empire context would by default mean old calendar dates to his Russian readers (but not to us). The lists here, though, use Gregorian dates for pretty much everything else at least since 1752 when Britain turned Gregorian. So, I think any 1752–1917 wrecks with a specific date sourced to these Russian books would need to be either moved to corresponding Gregorian dates, or at least have an explanatory note added regarding the discrepancy. Got to love these context-dependent things one normally just doesn't think of... Gamapamani (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

@Gamapamani: Re Julian/Gregorian dates, my approach is to just go with the date quoted, and let the reader decide which it is. There is often confusion as to which is being used when. Mjroots (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

@Mjroots Sorry about the delayed response. Before getting into further debate over this, let me just check if you're actually opposed to converting known Julian dates to Gregorian (or adding notes to them), or it's just that you don't particularly feel like doing it right now and you thought I was trying to push this on you because you've been sourcing to Chernyshev? Because if you're not opposed, I can do the whole thing myself, I just didn't want to start unilaterally editing your contributions as though you'd done something wrong. I mean, I myself had no expectation that the 2012 book wouldn't have Gregorian dates, and I assume you were in the same boat (pun intended :) ). Initially, I just wanted to remind you that the 18XX Russian sources would be Julian (which also occurred to me well after I'd posted them here); comparing the dates between the two books was something I did on a whim, expecting them to be different. Gamapamani (talk) 00:16, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

@Gamapamani: I don't object. Its just not an area that I'm expert in. I've also noticed some dates are the same from Chernyshev and Sokolov, and some are different. Suggest that any dates that are O.S are marked with a note as to the N.S. date. No need to convert N.S. to O.S. Such notes to appear at the end of the entry. How does that sound? Mjroots (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Can I ask a favour? Translate is translating ship name - e.g. Sviatoi Piotr to "St. Peter". Would you be able to translate back where appropriate? Mjroots (talk) 06:51, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

My first preference would be to convert the few Julian dates – and move their entries – when all others are Gregorian, because then articles would be internally consistent and readers wouldn't have to do any mental gymnastics – but I can live with your proposal. Did you mean to say No need to convert O.S. to N.S., though? Otherwise, I'm not sure I quite follow that part, could you maybe give an example? I was also thinking that to keep things simple, instead of adding separate notes maybe we could add something along the lines of Note: dates sourced from this book are Julian inside the ref definition. Not that I'm against per-entry notes, I just thought this might look cleaner if we're not rearranging per Gregorian anyway. But of course if there are cases where Chernyshev is inconsistent, notes would have to be separate. In any case, the 18XX Russian books are essentially guaranteed to use Julian, so it'd be easy enough to double-check Chernyshev (unless he has different dates due to something other than the calendar-based shift).

As for redoing the names, sure. There's also a site linked from Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian#External links that does transliteration per the rules outlined in the same article (which are apparently supposed to be followed around here even though the article is classed as an essay, not a guideline or policy...). It wouldn't work well with pre-reform orthography, though, but we're not restricted to that here. In any case, it's good that you brought this up, I was actually going to ask you whether some of the ships having translated names like Glory of Russia (IIRC) was a convention among ship editors. I take it they should be transliterated instead? Then there are ship names which are obviously taken from foreign words or names with their approximated pronunciation rendered in Cyrillic. For example Портсмут, named after Portsmouth, would be transliterated as Portsmut – remaining vaguely recognizable. Whereas Ништат, named after the town of Nystad, would be transliterated as Nishtat – not exactly obvious for English readers. Ахилл – Achilles or Akhill; Кадьяк – Kodiak or Kadyak, Полифем – Polyphemus or Polifem, etc. Is there an agreement in the project on which one to use for ship name in such cases? I think I'd personally go for both, like Kadyak (Kodiak), to make it easier for people to cross-reference with other, non-Russian sources. Gamapamani (talk) 00:51, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

@Gamapamani: If you are going to transliterate names, I like the method used at Russian battlecruiser Pyotr Veliky where Pyotr Velikiy ({{langx|ru|Пётр Великий|4=[[Peter the Great]]}}) produces Pyotr Velikiy (Russian: Пётр Великий, lit. 'Peter the Great'). What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots (talk • contribs) 03:47, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Sure, {{langx}} is standard. I would forgo the labels for the sake of compactness since the language should be obvious. Generally going to link only "interesting" glosses, not those about spelling, etc. Unless it's not considered kosher in these lists, I'd also add interlanguage links for any ships with ruwiki articles I can find. Some samples below.

• Ingermanland (Ингерманланд)
• Prints Gustav (Принц Густав, 'Prins Gustaf')
• Tolskaya Bogoroditsa (Тольская Богородица, 'Theotokos of Tolga')
• Portsmut (Портсмут, 'Portsmouth')
• Nishtadt (Ништадт, 'Nystad')
• Astrakhan (Астрахань)
• London (Лондон)

Gamapamani (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2026 (UTC)

I added another Chernyshev book reference to the 1744 article which may or may not interest you, depending on whether you want to hassle with image translation since it's not OCR-ed. It does have additional material compared to the 2012 book. Didn't add a link since I'm pretty sure the source I found is not authorized, searching the book title will find it (it's 2 vols). Since I was reading the Russian text to get the Cyrillic names, I also adjusted some translations. You can double-check me in turn since I'm inexperienced with naval terms. I'll do the names first and then the date stuff afterwards in another pass. Gamapamani (talk) 05:26, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

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Hi. Is it possible to put an indefinite requirement for editors to have autoconfirmed or confirmed access to 2018 FIA Formula 3 European Championship article? If you look to the history of edits here is the same persistent vandalism from people who can't understand a racing license concept like in case with Kamui Kobayashi and . Cheers. Corvus tristis (talk) 05:22, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Corvus tristis: - I've looked at the article and Marino Sato's article and I can't find a source that says he is racing under a San Marino licence. If you can add a source for that and the disruption continues, I'll be happy to semi-protect. Mjroots (talk) 05:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2018_FIA_Formula_3_European_Championship&diff=prev&oldid=861115039 Corvus tristis (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Despite note and reference the situation remains the same... This season contains many drivers with racing license differs from their actual nationality, so it will always confuse casual reader, can you put semi-protection now? Thanks. Corvus tristis (talk) 10:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Corvus tristis: - 3 months' should be enough. Mjroots (talk) 10:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, there is again problem with IP editors how are not able to understand the racing license concept in Motorsport. Here we have more than a dozen reverts of Mahaveer Raghunathan flag. It happens despite the note and reference for his license, so the semi-protection could really help. Corvus tristis (talk) 06:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Corvus tristis: - semi'd for 3 months. Mjroots (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Mjroots: This is a request for advice, not an attempt to canvas for support. I am asking you directly for advice given your knowledge as an Admin of WP procedures. I hope doing so removes any issue of canvassing. Currently User:Fram is unilaterally, and at an increasing pace, redirecting articles I have written on 18th & 19th century vessels. I believe that they are doing this to avoid the AfD process, which can take a while and where the outcome is uncertain. (AfDs are more visible and lead to other editors trying to improve the article.) I would like to revert all the redirects but am concerned about triggering retaliation. User:Fram has just proposed for deletion a ship index page where another editor moved articles Fram had redirected. I am a bit at my wit's end. Thoughts? Thanks for considering this.Acad Ronin (talk) 13:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: - Had a brief look at Fram's contributions. Agree that it appears that the AfD process is being circumvented. A nomination can lead to article improvement. Suggest you ask him to stop as a first step, then revert the redirects with an edit summary to take to AfD. Should he continue after being asked to stop, then it's off to ANI. Mjroots (talk) 13:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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I recently contributed an article of the title of this topic which appeared to be written in a neutral style and is of the public interest. It was quick deleted which I don't believe to be fair. In addition, the article has no backup and took a long time to write. Another article on NPS, a direct comparison also of public interest, is also available on Wikipedia

Could you please help me a) recover the work and b) understand why it was deleted? It is not promotional. I can see that the admin who deleted it is quick to delete articles without following due course.

Thank you Timginger (talk) 11:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Timginger: Firstly you should discuss this with the admin who deleted the article as it would appear that they are currently active. I'm not willing to intervene until this has been done. This may not be the answer you wanted, and I don't want to sound unsympathetic, but an admin doesn't revert other admins decisions without good reason. You may well have a good case for undeletion, but discuss if with him/her first. Are you sure that the draft didn't come under WP:CSD criteria? I've had a look at the deleted draft (something I can do as an admin) and I will comment that it was woefully under referenced. FYI, when using {{cite web}} a minimum of {{cite web |url= |title= |publisher= |access-date= }} is needed. You were missing the |access-date= parameter. Mjroots (talk) 11:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes sorry I'm new to this and had done my best to write a relevant article with references. I will contact the admin, and revert if I am unsuccessful in moderating the ability to respond. Are you able to provide access to the content from the original article? It took a long time to write and if it's not published here, now, I'd like to retain it for my records. Thanks Timginger (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Timginger: I can provide the text of the draft. Do you have e-mails enabled? Mjroots (talk) 12:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @mjroots I do have emails enabled I think. Appreciate your help. Contacting the admin who deleted the article now for their feedback. Timginger (talk) 12:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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• A request for comment asks whether the criteria for autoconfirmed and extended confirmed should be modified.
• A request for comment proposes an addendum for the Real name section of the Username policy.

Technical news

• The special page Special:RangeCalculator has been created for any users to use to find an IP range. (phab:T268429)
• The "indefinitely" button in Special:Block for temporary accounts can be replaced with a preferred block duration stated on MediaWiki:ipb-indefinite-expiry-temporary-account. (phab:T427125)

Arbitration

• Following a series of motions, changes to the contentious topics procedure to restructure awareness have been implemented.
• The arbitration case Michael Jackson has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• The 2026 Developing Countries WikiContest will run from 1 July to 30 September. Sign up now!
• 10 candidates have been appointed to the U4C.

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Orphaned non-free image File:Sutton Valence pre 1918.jpg

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ITN recognition for Ann Widdecombe

On 11 July 2026, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ann Widdecombe, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 20:59, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Would you be interested in participating in a wikiproject i have proposed?

It will be about aerostats (airships and balloons) and since you replied to my thing you could possibly be interested. Heres the link if you wanna help Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council - Wikipedia - anonymsiy.user - (talk) 20:31, 18 July 2026 (UTC)