Wikipedia talk:Deletion process

Latest comment: 4 days ago by ScrubbedFalcon in topic Does soft merge apply?

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025

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Whistleblower - Unauthorized - Unlawful conduct and misuse of personal property. Requesting immediate removal/deletion Including Removal/deletion for the following: AIP131, API132, API133, API134, API135, API136, PRC5531, PRC1831, PRC1057, PRC1050 Unauthorizedfbs (talk) 21:12, 24 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Unauthorizedfbs, it's not entirely clear what you are asking for. Please use some wikilinks to point to the page(s) that are problematic, and maybe explain a bit more about the issue you are seeing. Primefac (talk) 20:21, 30 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Request to delete my wiki

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Hello, I am the subject of the Wikipedia article below. I did not create this page, and I have concerns about privacy and notability. I would like to request review and possible removal under Wikipedia’s Biographies of Living Persons policy. Importantly, I want to remove my age. Article link: Niranjan_Parajuli Thank you. Niranjan Parajuli Parajuli1972 (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Parajuli1972: This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Deletion process. That aside, do any of the speedy deletion criteria apply? Failing that, you could try the articles for deletion process. Also, have you read WP:BLPSELF? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:50, 13 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
I withdraw my request because I did not know the regulations. Sorry for the inconvenience. ~2026-27929-3 (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

RfC on merging merge discussions with AfD

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"Wikipedia:Speedy close" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Wikipedia:Speedy close has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 March 3 § Wikipedia:Speedy close until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 02:41, 3 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

"Wikipedia:SPEEDYCLOSE" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Wikipedia:SPEEDYCLOSE has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 March 3 § Wikipedia:SPEEDYCLOSE until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Impicit deletion by redirecting

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An article may be silently deleted by simply converting it into a redirect. I can distinguish two situations:

  • Merge redirectting. This may be formally reverted with edit summary "No consensus to merge".
  • Redirecting to something completely different, which is essentially deleting an article. I am not aware of any guideline which can be cited to revert such bold redirect. Can you point me to one? --Altenmann >talk 16:32, 3 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Altenmann: The first one is WP:BLAR. The second is WP:HIJACK/A. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

The opposite of “merge(d)” is “not merged”

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When the nomination was to merge and was never a deletion nomination to begin with, and the proposal fails, that has the outcome of “not merged”, not “keep”, because merging is a form of keeping content, so "keep" does not communicate that the opposite of what was proposed was the outcome (this is different from the usual AfD where the nomination was to delete ending with "keep"). @Extraordinary Writ I’ve pinged you elsewhere relating to these pages, so I might as well ping you here. —Alalch E. 18:31, 6 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Pinging @Star Mississippi as the vocabulary for these closures seems to be more controversial than I thought. I think keep is also fine, in that the article is kept separate, but I don't mind not merged either. FaviFake (talk) 15:59, 15 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
“Keep” is really bad for an additional reason — an AfD merge proposal may fail on the merits of merging, but the AfD did not decide on the merits of deletion/retention because that was not the focus of the discussion. The outcome is recorded as “keep”, standing in for the true outcome of “not merged”. Then, an editor—believing that the article (about a non-notable topic), since it was not merged (because its content was poor, for example), should be deleted—may nominate the article again at AfD, immediately afterwards, which should not be counted against WP:RENOM. That purely-deletion AfD should proceed normally, but in the described scenario the nomination will have a recent seemingly contradicting “keep” outcome in the backdrop, which can be used to (wrongly) argue against the nomination as “relitigating” and “we just had this discussion”, which overall distorts the process of forming a consensus on the relevant issue. —Alalch E. 09:13, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
Sure. Which pages should we update to mention that a result of keep should become not merged in AfD merging discussions? FaviFake (talk) 18:48, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
Noting that this will also require updating XFDCloser and we'll need a different template (maybe just a switch template) for the failed AfD merge nom to put on the talk page. ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 19:03, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Things left to do

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So many things left to do! @Oklopfer, I can't wait for your to-do list, hahaha. FaviFake (talk) 19:07, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

The list keeps growing... ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
@FaviFake might be able to get to it today. My plan is a table with the headers: Task (short description), Status (todo, in progress, done, etc), Description (longer explanation of what is needed), Plan (how to enact), Links (relevant discussions) ~ oklopfer (💬) 19:14, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
Do you already have a spot for the list? I'd be happy to help put it together. ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 19:25, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
Just need to place this somewhere, we should probably also cleanup the old proposals at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Merge portions from sometime. FaviFake (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
@ScrubbedFalcon not yet, was probably just going to make a user subpage, perhaps User:Oklopfer/AfD-PAM-Refactor or similar. Help would be great, I'll ping again when I start setting it up! ~ oklopfer (💬) 19:59, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've blanked WT:Articles for deletion/to do and added the {{to do}} template atop WT:AFD, maybe we could use that page instead of a userpage? It's more visible and works with the to-do template. FaviFake (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
I added a table that we can start to fill in ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 21:27, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
I realized that with the to-do template the main talk page header becomes very unwieldy, I've removed it for now, what do you both think of the table? ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
Looks great, thanks for doing that! I'll add more to it in a bit. ~ oklopfer (💬) 21:57, 17 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Does soft merge apply?

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The WP:SOFTMERGE section currently states the following:

A soft merge closure may be used when a discussion receives very few or no comments. As a result of this closure, the articles are merged or added to the merge backlog, though any editor can reverse this by splitting them back out or removing them from the backlog. As with soft deletion, the discussion does not need to be relisted and the closer should make it clear that their closure is soft.

But this doesn't clarify whether articles that have previously reached consensus to keep at AfDs can be closed as soft merges without any relist. This question came up at a recent AfD, so I think it should be clarified to aid closers. Can AfDs be closed as WP:SOFTMERGE without being relisted if the article has previously been kept at AfD? FaviFake (talk) 15:11, 12 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm assuming that the current wording of SOFTMERGE postdates the PAM-AfD merger but can't quickly find any recent discussion. Any pointers? Rosbif73 (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
It does, yes. Its creation and final wording was decided at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Implementing the PAM–AfD merge § Details of closing AfD merge discussions. FaviFake (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I raised this after FaviFake checked to make sure I knew about SOFTMERGE here. My not deeply thought through opinion is that if there has been a previous "Keep" consensus then a new consensus would be needed to overrule that and so softmerge could not apply, in a similar manner to when SOFTDELETE does not apply. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think it could still be ok for a discussion to close as SOFTMERGE considering that merges can be reverted by any editor, depending on the context of the previous consensus. For example if a merge was raised as a possible ATD and the article was still kept, or if there's a previous failed merge proposal on a talk page, then SOFTMERGE might be inappropriate. But if it was just that an article was nominated for deletion and it was kept because no one pointed out that there was significant overlap with another article, or something like that, then SOFTMERGE could still be appropriate, especially since the close itself makes clear that it doesn't form consensus and it can be easily reverted. ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 19:09, 12 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
To try expressing my thinking in in a stronger manner: consensus can change but only a new consensus can replace an old consensus. A SOFTMEREGE (and SOFTDELETE) is a weak form of consensus, relying on WP:SILENCE. But when we've had an active consensus expressed previously it should take a new affirmative consensus to override that which a silent form of consaensus is not. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:14, 12 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think that position is fair, I also mostly agree with it. The one little bit of nuance I wanted to add was that a keep consensus doesn't necessarily mean that consensus was against a merge (if the merge wasn't even considered in the discussion where the consensus was expressed). Sort of in the vein of the discussion above about the opposite of "merge" being "not merged" as opposed to "keep". I'll admit that its splitting hairs a bit... ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 08:52, 13 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I agree with your thinking but we can't really put that in a guideline. We need a more cleanly defined criterion. FaviFake (talk) 13:00, 13 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Right, but I think the current guideline is fine as is, its up to the closer if they're comfortable with softclosing it or if relisting it is the correct course (the ambiguity is a feature not a bug, our rules don't need to account for every eventuality). ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 13:09, 13 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
its up to the closer if they're comfortable with softclosing it or if relisting it is the correct course
This would be a reasonably short addition, to clear confusion. FaviFake (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think it would benefit from guidance. Perhaps something like If a merge was actively considered in previous discussion (for example as an alternative to deletion) a soft merge closure will not usually be appropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 20:31, 14 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I can support that ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 12:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC)Reply