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Bex talks Tangled!

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A fan blog dedicated to the Disney series Tangled the Series/Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure. Run by Bex

I don't know if this was asked before by someone else. The question is, what do you think would have happened if Eugene had kissed Rapunzel during the lantern scene in the boat. If the stabbingtons weren't there.

How would their convo go after that

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See, that's actually two different questions. X3 Because in the cruise musical, they do kiss at the end of I See the Light, but the Stabbingtons are also there, and so the story progresses as it does in the movie.

I think that, if the movie had had them kissing there, it wouldn't have been a rally huge, deep kiss. Something soft and sweet, like their budding relationship. But if there had been no Stabbingtons there to distract them, the question would have to come up, "So, what now?"

Because now, after Gothel manipulated her with the crown, but Eugene ignored it to give her her dream, Rapunzel knows that he does actually like her for her, and any idea she might have previously entertained about returning to the tower is probably way at the bottom of her priorities. Now, Gothel has boldfaced lied, and Rapunzel knows it (or, at least, she was very wrong, and in as cruel a way as possible). Rapunzel doesn't yet realize she's the Lost Princess, but, "You were wrong about the world, and you were wrong about me," are still true. Now, Eugene has proven completely trustworthy, and likes her, and knows how the world works in a way Rapunzel doesn't, and doesn't care about her hair, and wants her around. That's very important.

I do think there's a very real world in which she'd strongly consider just running off with him.

But I also think that Gothel would have come up with another plan to get her back, and that it would have been enacted that night in the kingdom. After all, we have concept art form before the Stabbingtons existed:

art by Paul Felix and Bill Perkins

Now, if I'm reading these scattered pictures that I am putting in the order that I think they go in correctly (😅) Gothel makes a deal with Flynn to get Rapunzel to go to the Shrine of the Lost Princess in exchange for his satchel with the crown. He convinces her to go, gets his payment, Rapunzel shows up, Gothel (disguised) "kidnaps" her (again! XD) and then also "rescues" her.

I can definitely see why they didn't go with this: it would be pretty skeevy of their love interest to make the deal and also go through with it. Not very romantic or trustworthy, and no amount of, "I'm sorries," could really fix the broken trust, even if he also was ultimately the one to rescue her from the tower. Thus, the Stabbingtons. However, if they hadn't brought the burly twins into the story, I could see them still trying to play with this idea to some extent. Even if Eugene didn't make a deal with Gothel and trick Rapunzel, I can see Gothel setting up some kind of trap for her to fall into, so that she could look like her hero and the only person who's actually worthy of her trust.

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So, we all know what Rapunzel's art looks like.

But the longer I think about it, the more I think that the closing credits are supposed to be specifically Eugene's art style. Let's start with the map:

It's sparse, not too detailed, and includes things like a picture of Maximus labeled with "avoid this' and an arrow in the ground labeled "got shot here." If it was a pre-existing map, he'd have more pictures of trees to contend with, not a piece of parchment that's clearly being filled in as it goes.

Also, the art during the credits are all things that he was present for or knows well, even if he wasn't involved.

There's even a few things that didn't make it into the movie!

So given this, I say that if Claire Keane is the official artistic hand of Rapunzel, Shiyoon Kim is the official artistic hand of Eugene Fitzherbert. (And that the series blatantly got wrong/is not canon-compliant with how well he draws.)

What did you think of Gothel’s redesign in the tv show?

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Not really a fan.

Jin Kim's production art and character sheets give a really good idea of what the characters' face shapes are supposed to be, and I remember thinking that her face shape was too skull-like in the series, even when she's young.

Her chin is far too narrow for my taste in the series. Her jaw, even in fully-rendered CGI is much more square than that, with much less slope between cheekbone and jaw.

I don't know if they were trying to make Cassandra look less like her (though a lot of people clocked their visual similarities right away anyway), but I felt like it was extremely off from her actual design.

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yeah so

@tangledbea what do you think? 😅

What the actual fuck?? XD

I agree that I don't think it was intentional; if you look at the portrait on the other side of her, we have a very similar hair style, which implies that the in-universe painter of these pictures (possibly Arianna, given that she's got her hobbies on display here??) has a very specific style. Also that the real-world designer of these props was just doing a quick thing, and possibly was the one who gave Quirin his final design, and thus just used art they already had to quickly make a prop-in-a-prop for the background.

Now, if it was Arianna who painted them, it could mean that Quirin was already in Corona when Arianna and Frederic got married, and that she used her husband's friend as a model!

Legit, though, it also could have been deliberate on the artist's part as a little lol to themself. Maybe they particularly like Quirin, and wanted to throw him in subtly somewhere else since he's not in many episodes (especially at this point, when S2 was being written, and S3 wasn't fully-formed yet). Maybe the woman in the other portrait is an early design for Varian's mom, while they were trying to decide what she'd look like in the portrait she appears in!

Anyway, good eye for spotting this! I just glanced right by it, since I'd seen that image so many times!

I have seen some concept art of Queen Airiana wearing some armor like a knight when tangled the movie was still in development. What was that about exactly? Was Rapunzel's Mom supposed to be a Queen or some kind of general in early concepts?

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In Rapunzel, the version that Glen Keane was the director on before he had a heart attack, which caused him to step down and Byron and Howard and Nathan Greno to take over and change the story, Rapunzel's parents were both warriors.

I'm also pretty sure that this look inspired Edmund's design.

What’s your favorite Cass concept art we’ve seen from the artbook?

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Honestly, this one's pretty rad, and we haven't really talked about it yet.

First, her eyes are straight up glowing. Even Rapunzel's aren't doing that, despite the magic glow right there. Casting Cassandra almost entirely in the shadow while Rapunzel is in the light is what this story is all about. And I know this art was made before they'd decided whether or not Cassandra knew Gothel was her mother and was just biding her time. (From what I understand, as of writing "Challenge of the Brave," they still hadn't fully decided.)

Second, I'm a sucker for archers and hoods, so the early concepts that leaned more into that look for her suit my aesthetic quite nicely.

I love all these little potential adventures they conceived of. Some of them seem to have been developed into actual episodes!

Eugene wanted still, outside of Corona? - "The Eye of Pincosta"

Fighting a sea monster? - "The King and Queen of Hearts"

Someone getting bowed to by tribal folk? - I think this got turned into "King Pascal." I also think it might be relevant to this one: