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I’m A Mess And I Know It

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late 20's They/them I go by Nebs. My ao3 is also findafight. Multi fandom but I’m always going to go back to les mis. My writing tag is finda writes stuff. Shoot me an ask! I love to yap. (or if you need something tagged)

“You can come out to your parents without giving them a list of all the guys you’re fucking,” says Ilya Rozanov, way too confidently for a man who has never actually met Yuna Hollander, who will Definitely Ask,

oh, shane, you are dating someone!! this is great!! can we meet him? (no) can you tell us his name or what he does for a living? (no) can you tell us what city or even country he lives in? (no) can we see a picture? (no) does he have social media? (no) so.... shane, honey, it kind of sounds like you don't have a boyfriend (yes I do, he lives in… some other part of canada, you don't know him) and maybe you're just saying that because you're not ready to date, but honey, you should date! I have a list of men here, I have a plan to get you a boyfriend, I have the NDA forms right here, we'll get you a raya account… (no!!! mom, I do have someone already, I just can't tell you anything about him, ever)

yuna: ah I see, hmm, one moment please, let me bring up an alphabetical list of all 700+ current MLH players. is it aaron a. aaronson???

shane: of course not!! mom!!!

yuna: you know what, of course not, I'm sorry and it was ridiculous of me to even think so. aaron a. aaronson is a second-rate player on a third-rate team, let me re-sort this list so that the stat leaders are at the top and start again from there, haha, here's a funny one to cross off the list right away, I guess: is it ilya rozanov???

People misunderstanding that the tuna melt scene was not Ilya asking Shane to be boyfriends but instead an attempt at surface level emotional intimacy with plausible deniability, so they could keep "doing what they're doing" while also staying the night and having meals, without admitting to the desire for emotional connection.

Ilya wants Shane to stay. He wants to eat meals with him and cuddle on the couch and watch hockey and listen to Shane's quips about other teams performances. But he does not want to be vulnerable. He avoids being vulnerable to the point of overcompensation. (What is "I like you...just your mouth" if not overcorrection?)

Shane has been trying to get the barest amount of personal info from Ilya from the beginning. He has gotten shut down multiple times. Ilya refuses to open up to him until Tampa, so he isn't doing that in the tuna melt scene. He is layering his probes into trying to see if Shane wants something closer by asking Shane if he likes women and talking about Svetlana. He's trying to protect himself, yes, but also muddying the water so much that his intentions are only clear to us, the viewers, because we have been shown Ilya yearning for Shane.

Shane who famously struggles to read between lines especially in terms of romantic feelings is not going to interpret Ilya talking about Svetlana and telling him he only likes his mouth as anything but bragging and another attempt at distancing them away from the emotional side of things, which goes counter to the way Ilya has acted for the entirety of the visit and asking him to stay. But Ilya has been hot and cold with him before. Ilya literally ghosted him and told him they weren't anything after their first (in show) time with penetrative sex that he was VERY soft and caring during! What reason has he given Shane to think he isn't going to turn around and kick him out? Tell him all this cuddling and food and softness didn't mean anything and he does it with anybody who comes around?

Saying each other's first names is the trigger for Shane leaving, for realising it's getting too real, but that stay would not have ended with Ilya asking Shane to be exclusive. Ilya would not, especially at that point, be able to vocalise or even admit to wanting that. Most of the emotional steps forward they have is because of Shane putting the offer out there. Sure Ilya initiated their first hookup, but Shane has been reaching out for an emotional bond since the Olympics. Shane is the one to tell Ilya he wants more in Tampa (where Ilya still tries to say they cannot be anything more than sex to each other), Shane is the one to tell Ilya to tell him everything on his mind even if he doesn't understand the language, Shane is the one to invite Ilya to the cottage, to ask that they're both honest there, to come up with a ten year plan to be together and come out.

I just. How does any of that indicate Shane isn't emotionally aware? There's denial in him, but that's because he knows what he wants. And he thinks there's no way he can have it and still be a hockey player and also thinks there's no way Ilya wants him back. He wants Ilya, and he knows literally everyone, including Ilya himself, would tell him he can't have him in all the ways he wants, so he attempts to push that down and away. Once rose helps him, and he's out as gay to himself, he knows what he wants and he goes in a mission to get his man! He basically goes okay it's crazy and maybe stupid but I want Ilya so I'm going to try to pry his true feelings out of him because maybe we CAN be together. Maybe we'll have to hide but hiding together is better than hiding apart and missing each other. And he's RIGHT!!!!

the first time rose landry dates a gay guy, they're babies still figuring out how to be people—she figures out this whole dating thing is something she wants to get better at. he figures out that he's gay. they awkwardly and embarrassingly part ways the way you do when your first attempt at dating fizzles.

the second time rose landry dates a gay guy, it starts the same way. still in theater high school. neither of them know he's gay at the start of it. but crucially, the guy figures it out first and, for whatever reason, lets it go on way too long. rose is fully in love for the first time, and that compels her to ignore/deny the fact that he's gay after she figures it out. he has to be the one to end it. it's pretty messy.

the third time rose landry dates a gay guy she's moved to LA and they're both hungry young actors desperate to make it but, crucially, she's better than he is. and he knows it. he knows he's gay from the start. but he's, idk, the theater kid equivalent of a log cabin republican, or else/also an intense career and social climber who will do anything to get ahead. and being seen publicly with rose (not yet Rose Landry™, but anyone with eyes in the business can tell she'll get there) can only help him get ahead. she figures it out before she catches real feelings, but it is a pretty damaging experience.

the fourth time rose landry dates a gay guy, thank GOD, it is miles. if not for miles rose would not be the person who (we'll get there) could be kind to shane when he needed it most. miles, i have decided, is the male lead in the Not!-the-hunger-games movies that turn rose into Rose Landry. miles knows he's gay, and as soon as they become the equivalent of good-coworker-friends, he makes that clear to rose. he's not publicly out: he's young. this is his first big break to rose's second, and—take a moment to try and remember the insanity of the hunger games press circus, okay? second only to twilight and maaaaybe harry potter?—in the middle of the most intense media scrutiny of his young life is Not the time to come out publicly. the two of them get along like a house on fire and have completely insane on-screen chemistry, so when they are, ahem, encouraged to do a showmance during the shooting and press for the trilogy of movies, both of them shrug and go for it. they REALLY go for it. full court press. they also frankly have sex a couple of times just out of fun and affection, and it is some of the best sex of rose's life so far. their public breakup is amicable and they remain dear friends, as we see in the show. they keep getting cast together, too, because, well. insane on-screen chemistry. miles comes out publicly somewhere in all this.

the fifth, sixth, and seventh times Rose Landry dates a gay man, she's pretty peeved about it. it's all in her L.A./hollywood circles. all what, ten years prior, homophobes would have described as metrosexuals, sure, but they're in l.a.! that doesn't mean anything! they approach her, they pursue her a little, they're hot, she's interested—and it becomes clear a few weeks into it that they fully were looking for a beard but, crucially, Didn't Fucking Ask. they just led her on. maybe on the fifth guy, rose tries, still, because well, the sex was good with miles, and they're funny enough, but the memory of third guy rears his head and she realizes it's also about them using her fame for their own purposes. and the sex sucks. and he's not really interested in her as a person. kicked to the curb. sixth guy she doesn't let get past three months. seventh guy she gets pretty fucking angry at, semi-publicly, and their torrid breakup ends up in the gossip rags, and it only fuels her rage.

all this time she is having good-sex-but-emotionally-unfulfilling one-night-stands. there's, hmm, one and a half relationships with straight guys who are a little douchey, as it turns out, and also wanted to use her to raise their own profile. all this time she is still the little 14-year-old rose who figured out she DOES want to date she DOES want romance. she wants a man who wants her.

enter shane hollander.

jock! not involved in hollywood at all! not even metrosexual! genuinely interested in her as a person! they text! they bitch about work! they gossip about hockey! there's an intense emotional connection there!

they have sex for the first time and—well. okay. he's still a jock, rose tells herself. a hockey player. his frame of reference for sex and relationships thus far is wags and puck bunnies. maybe there's a learning curve? surely shane hollander can eat up a learning curve in no time.

emotional connection is still there. they have sex a second time. rose feels a pit of dread in her stomach. she can tell he doesn't want her. oh god. he DID approach her at the bar—it seemed accidental, but if he's just trying to use her like the last few guys, maybe that was an act. maybe he's been acting this whole time. oh god.

she introduces shane to miles. doesn't even have to tell miles why, miles knows. miles doesn't even have to say anything back to rose after meeting shane—just gives her a Look. oh no. oh god. not again. some fuckwad knowingly using her as cover Without Asking, Leading Her On, with a side of This Helps His Career. again!! for like the fifth time!! what is it about her? I think all the questions we have about Rose Landry, dater of gay men, rose landry has also asked of herself. with no clear answers, because I also think she struggles to identify or develop a core sense of identity outside of her work.

so i think everything that happens after that in her relationship with shane—the dancing at the club with miles, the third time they have sex, and the first, mm, three minutes of their conversation at the restaurant—that's rose being mean. that's rose being SO mean to shane, on purpose. because Fuck This Guy For Doing It To Her AGAIN.

those questions rose starts off asking shane—holy shit, guys. rose, of Hockey Playing Brothers, Detroit Fan Fame, knows damn well that there are no out hockey players. she is asking to make shane uncomfortable. she is asking to make shane feel genuinely terrible, the way he's made her feel genuinely fucking terrible. she is doing this in a public place as a threat—blow-up fight with number seven taught her the power of that one.

but because rose is not stupid, she immediately clocks shane's reaction to this set-up after the gay hockey player question. first of all, he doesn't see the set-up for what it is. a guilty conscience would be all over this if he'd done this on purpose. what she's seeing from him is shame. shame and a bit of fear. part of this is that she's relatively smart and an actor, part of this is that shane starts obviously tearing up and looking miserable.

she catches this and immediately pivots. aw fuck, she thinks to herself. this is Not like five/six/seven. this man in front of me is still at, like, one or two levels of self-actualization—except, she already knows but repeats to herself, because this is why she was angry enough to pull this stunt with shane, except that she likes shane about as much as she likes miles. they ARE socially compatible. they DO have chemistry. just not sexual chemistry. this man thinks he can actually make this work because he hasn't, what, admitted to himself he's gay yet? that's so sad! at our age! (rose crucially having come up through theater school and L.A.)

so. she walks shane through his self-actualizing Big Gay Moment, discovers he's a LOT more like miles than she thought (that hole versus peg comment? oh, this man is desperate to gossip about his sex life), and decides she's going to keep him the way she and miles kept each other years ago. because fuck it. if she can't find a real boyfriend, the least the universe can do is deliver her another real friend.

So many people misinterpreting Hayden and Ilya's relationship as though Hayden isn't the funniest person to wind up. As though in order to do that you don't have to have an underlying affection for him. Ilya says Hayden is the 15th best metro not because it's true but because it's not. Just like Shane's backhand isn't weak and he isn't a fast skater. Hayden has been Shane's wing for years, in addition to being his best friend. He is obviously very good at hockey. Hayden just falls for the trap every time.

The jokes Ilya makes about Hayden's million kids is because Ilya 1) loves those kids and 2) also want kids of his own. Hayden is in the position of shovel talk giving best friend, who is so so SO annoyed to actually like his bff's new boyfriend. They are in-laws who pretend not to get along but are ride or die for each other. Their bickering is a bit. It's their love language. How is this hard to understand when Shane and Ilya bicker all the time and Shane takes the piss out of Hayden as well.

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okay but for sure baby shane on his first hockey team got to play on the ice during an intermission at a centaurs game in the 90s. he scored a goal and did a cute little celebration jump (and immediately lost his balance and fell on his butt). harris pulls the clip from somewhere deep in the centaurs archive. he makes an insta post after shane's first game with the cens and includes the video with a caption about tonight being shane hollander's second ever centaurs goal.

ilya just barely manages to keep himself from sobbing in delight at the video.

i love Not to jump the gun here but with rozanov’s permission…? i think shane in that scene was feeling fiercely protective over another person for the first time in his life. so bowled over by the intensity of his own emotions that he stumbled back to his hotel room in a daze and immediately jerked off in the shower about it. “what if rozanov got arrested and i had to use my immense hockey wealth to bail him out of jail and it was winter in boston. so he had hypothermia. and he had to live with me while we sorted out the legal situation and i yelled at journalists for him and helped him with his paperwork and hired the best lawyer in the world and nursed him back to health and he was like “hollander……..you saved my life 🥺” and he fucked me soooo hard every night for stress relief (obviously he couldn’t fuck other people. due to the lawsuit) and we fell asleep in each other’s arms afterwards. because there’s only one bed in my apartment and he’s too tall for the couch” stuff like that. normal fantasies

top ten shane hollander shower fantasies:

• holding ilya’s hand while they cross a busy street full of hazards (potholes, roadworks, etc)

• rescuing ilya from kidnappers (he kicks down the door)

• rescuing ilya from a burning building (bridal carry)

• fighting in a gladiatorial ice hockey arena for ilya’s hand in marriage

• massaging ilya’s bad knee and ilya says with wonderment “wowww wow. shane you’re so good at this… you are better than every physical therapist on earth probably”

• saying “he asked for no pickles” to the mcdonalds cashier

• carrying ilya’s bags

• washing ilya’s hair

• applying o’keefes working hands cream to ilya’s calluses

• fuck or die

shane hollander is such a fucking baller actually. becomes a hockey legend straight out of the cradle. gets plowed on the regular by the other best hockey player in the league. decides to try women for a change. immediately bags an s-tier bitch. goes hm. nah. turns around and aggressively pursues his situationship. makes it official within hours. he wants only the best and gets what he fucking wants

ignore the torment nexus this is not about her

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David Hollander signs up for IG to post pictures of his hot wife but after Shane and Ilya are outted and married, his IG goes from being a Yuna Hollander fan page to a Yuna, Shane and Ilya fan page. He loves to post candid shots and videos of his three favorite people and his IG account blows up overnight. Millions of people follow his page to see the cute videos of them at brunch and a random photo of Shane carrying Ilya on his back. He turns down a number of brand deals because he just wants to keep the page about his family. He never tells Yuna that he turns down brand deals because he knows she’ll put him six feet under.

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Ilya: who would you marry if I didn’t exist. It can be anyone and you have to answer

Shane: come on

Ilya: seriously!

Shane: fine Hayden. Sorry Jackie, but it’s platonic

Ilya: betrayal!

Hayden: awwww buddy I would marry you to! Platonically!

Shane: awww buddy!

Ilya/Jackie/JJ: ……

Yea this to try and get them to realize they’re weird for each other. No it didn’t work

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Oh one BIG reason I think the general public in Canada especially would be extremely pro-Shane Hollander even post-outing: he imports Ilya Rozanov and he doesn't leave Canada even when the situation in Montreal goes sideways

It's honestly impossible to overstate what a big deal that is. Canada constantly losing their hockey talent to US teams and the Stanley drought...it doesn't fucking matter what went down with those French Canadians, the rest of the country is ignoring that, he's still their hero.

When Ilya steps out in a Team Canada jersey at the 2026 Olympics and they crush team USA 6-0 in the gold medal match Shane would be instantly deified as the first Canadian saint.

Jackie Pike started the pike-hollander mpreg inside joke one day after Shane babysat the twins. They were crying and pouting because they didn't want uncle Shane to leave and Jackie said "sometimes it's like they think you birthed them" and Shane goes "I could've but it would've interrupted the hockey season :/ " and then Hayden pats his shoulder and goes "we'll get the timing right next time buddy" Shane shakes his head "not until I retire, we've been over this" Jackie sighs, "and until then you still get favourite parent privileges with the ones I had to carry" "we appreciate your sacrifice"

This also low-key started the polycule joke/rumours but at the centre it is mpreg Shane 🙂‍↕️

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inside you there are two wolves. both is obsessed with the 'irina rozanova lives' tag on ao3. but one wants fics about irina and shane brotp, the two people who love ilya the most and look at him like he hung the moon and want the best for him and know how to get him out of his own head and believe he is a good person, the best person in fact. the other wolf is a little messy. it wants irina to be realistic, a russian woman who believes in her faith. a woman who doesn't want her son to marry a man, not when he is technically still attracted to women. it wants irina to try and manipulate ilya to marry svetlana, his childhood best friend. it wants irina to be scared that ilya will give up her and russian for shane. it wants her to be terrified and try to sabotage shane and ilya's relationship. it wants shane to fight back tooth and nail because he ain't scared of her. it wants shane to tell her ilya is his boyfriend and no longer mommy's boy. the second wolf wants shane and irina bitch fight.