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Former good article nomineeDonald Trump was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
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June 2, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed
February 12, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
September 17, 2016Good article nomineeNot listed
May 25, 2017Good article nomineeNot listed
December 2, 2018Good article nomineeNot listed
July 15, 2019Good article nomineeNot listed
August 31, 2019Featured article candidateNot promoted
April 29, 2020Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Current consensus

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1. Use the official White House portrait as the infobox image. (Dec 2016, Jan 2017, Oct 2017, March 2020) (temporarily suspended by #19 following copyright issues on the inauguration portrait, enforced when an official public-domain portrait was released on 31 October 2017)

2. Show birthplace as "Queens, New York City, U.S." in the infobox. (Nov 2016, Oct 2018, Feb 2021) "New York City" de-linked. (September 2020)

3. Omit reference to county-level election statistics. (Dec 2016)

4. Superseded by #15
Lead phrasing of Trump "gaining a majority of the U.S. Electoral College" and "receiving a smaller share of the popular vote nationwide", without quoting numbers. (Nov 2016, Dec 2016) (Superseded by #15 since 11 February 2017)

5. Use Trump's annual net worth evaluation and matching ranking, from the Forbes list of billionaires, not from monthly or "live" estimates. (Oct 2016) In the lead section, just write: Forbes estimates his net worth to be [$x.x] billion. (July 2018, July 2018) Removed from the lead per #47.

6. Do not include allegations of sexual misconduct in the lead section. (June 2016, Feb 2018)

7. Superseded by #35
Include "Many of his public statements were controversial or false." in the lead. (Sep 2016, February 2017, wording shortened per April 2017, upheld with July 2018) (superseded by #35 since 18 February 2019)
8. Superseded by unlisted consensus
Mention that Trump is the first president elected "without prior military or government service". (Dec 2016, superseded Nov 2024)

9. Include a link to Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2017) Include a link to an archive of Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2021)

10. Canceled
Keep Barron Trump's name in the list of children and wikilink it, which redirects to his section in Family of Donald Trump per AfD consensus. (Jan 2017, Nov 2016) Canceled: Barron's BLP has existed since June 2019. (June 2024)
11. Superseded by #17
The lead sentence is "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American businessman, television personality, politician, and the 45th President of the United States." (Jan 2017, Jan 2017, Jan 2017, Jan 2017, Jan 2017, Feb 2017) (superseded by #17 since 2 April 2017)

12. The article title is Donald Trump, not Donald J. Trump. (RM Jan 2017, RM June 2019)

13. Auto-archival is set for discussions with no comments for 7 days. Manual archival is allowed for (1) closed discussions, 24 hours after the closure, provided the closure has not been challenged, and (2) "answered" edit requests, 24 hours after the "answer", provided there has been no follow-on discussion after the "answer". (Jan 2017) (amended with respect to manual archiving, to better reflect common practice at this article) (Nov 2019) Strikethrough per #74.

14. Omit mention of Trump's alleged bathmophobia/fear of slopes. (Feb 2017)

15. Superseded by lead rewrite
Supersedes #4. There is no consensus to change the formulation of the paragraph which summarizes election results in the lead (starting with "Trump won the general election on November 8, 2016, …"). Accordingly the pre-RfC text (Diff 8 Jan 2017) has been restored, with minor adjustments to past tense (Diff 11 Feb 2018). No new changes should be applied without debate. (RfC Feb 2017, Jan 2017, Feb 2017, Feb 2017) In particular, there is no consensus to include any wording akin to "losing the popular vote". (RfC March 2017) (Superseded by local consensus on 26 May 2017 and lead section rewrite on 23 June 2017)
16. Superseded by lead rewrite
Do not mention Russian influence on the presidential election in the lead section. (RfC March 2017) (Superseded by lead section rewrite on 23 June 2017)
17. Superseded by #50
Supersedes #11. The lead paragraph is "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current president of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality." The hatnote is simply {{Other uses}}. (April 2017, RfC April 2017, April 2017, April 2017, April 2017, July 2017, Dec 2018) Amended by lead section rewrite on 23 June 2017 and removal of inauguration date on 4 July 2018. Lower-case "p" in "president" per Dec 2018 and MOS:JOBTITLES RfC Oct 2017. Wikilinks modified per April 2020. Wikilink modified again per July 2020. "45th" de-linked. (Jan 2021)
18. Superseded by #63
The "Alma mater" infobox entry shows "Wharton School (BS Econ.)", does not mention Fordham University. (April 2017, April 2017, Aug 2020, Dec 2020)
19. Obsolete
Following deletion of Trump's official White House portrait for copyright reasons on 2 June 2017, infobox image was replaced by File:Donald Trump Pentagon 2017.jpg. (June 2017 for replacement, June 2017, declined REFUND on 11 June 2017) (replaced by White House official public-domain portrait according to #1 since 31 Oct 2017)
20. Superseded by unlisted consensus
Mention protests in the lead section with this exact wording: His election and policies have sparked numerous protests. (June 2017, May 2018, superseded December 2024) (Note: In February 2021, when he was no longer president, the verb tense was changed from "have sparked" to "sparked", without objection.)
21. Superseded by #39
Omit any opinions about Trump's psychology held by mental health academics or professionals who have not examined him. (July 2017, Aug 2017) (superseded by #36 on 18 June 2019, then by #39 since 20 Aug 2019)

22. Do not call Trump a "liar" in Wikipedia's voice. Falsehoods he uttered can be mentioned, while being mindful of calling them "lies", which implies malicious intent. (RfC Aug 2017, upheld by RfC July 2024)

23. Superseded by #52
The lead includes the following sentence: Trump ordered a travel ban on citizens from several Muslim-majority countries, citing security concerns; after legal challenges, the Supreme Court upheld the policy's third revision. (Aug 2017, Nov 2017, Dec 2017, Jan 2018, Jan 2018) Wording updated (July 2018) and again (Sep 2018).
24. Superseded by #30
Do not include allegations of racism in the lead. (Feb 2018)

25. In citations, do not code the archive-related parameters for sources that are not dead. (Dec 2017, March 2018)

26. Do not include opinions by Michael Hayden and Michael Morell that Trump is a "useful fool […] manipulated by Moscow" or an "unwitting agent of the Russian Federation". (RfC April 2018)

27. State that Trump falsely claimed that Hillary Clinton started the Barack Obama birther rumors. (April 2018, June 2018)

28. Include, in the Wealth section, a sentence on Jonathan Greenberg's allegation that Trump deceived him in order to get on the Forbes 400 list. (June 2018, June 2018)

29. Include material about the Trump administration family separation policy in the article. (June 2018)

30. Supersedes #24. The lead includes: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist." (RfC Sep 2018, Oct 2018, RfC May 2019). Consensus on "racially charged" descriptor later superseded (February 2025).

31. Do not mention Trump's office space donation to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/Push Coalition in 1999. (Nov 2018)

32. Omit from the lead the fact that Trump is the first sitting U.S. president to meet with a North Korean supreme leader. See #44. (RfC July 2018, Nov 2018)

33. Do not mention "birtherism" in the lead section. (RfC Nov 2018)

34. Refer to Ivana Zelníčková as a Czech model, with a link to Czechs (people), not Czechoslovakia (country). (Jan 2019)

35. Superseded by #49
Supersedes #7. Include in the lead: Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics. (RfC Feb 2019)
36. Superseded by #39
Include one paragraph merged from Health of Donald Trump describing views about Trump's psychology expressed by public figures, media sources, and mental health professionals who have not examined him. (June 2019) (paragraph removed per RfC Aug 2019 yielding consensus #39)

37. Resolved: Content related to Trump's presidency should be limited to summary-level about things that are likely to have a lasting impact on his life and/or long-term presidential legacy. (June 2019)

38. Do not state in the lead that Trump is the wealthiest U.S. president ever. (RfC June 2019)

39. Supersedes #21 and #36. Do not include any paragraph regarding Trump's mental health or mental fitness for office. Do not bring up for discussion again until an announced formal diagnosis or WP:MEDRS-level sources are provided. This does not preclude bringing up for discussion whether to include media coverage relating to Trump's mental health and fitness. This does not prevent inclusion of content about temperamental fitness for office. (RfC Aug 2019, July 2021)

40. Include, when discussing Trump's exercise or the lack thereof: He has called golfing his "primary form of exercise", although he usually does not walk the course. He considers exercise a waste of energy, because he believes the body is "like a battery, with a finite amount of energy" which is depleted by exercise. (RfC Aug 2019)

41. Omit book authorship (or lack thereof) from the lead section. (RfC Nov 2019)

42. House and Senate outcomes of the impeachment process are separated by a full stop. For example: He was impeached by the House on December 18, 2019, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 5, 2020. (Feb 2020)

43. The rules for edits to the lead are no different from those for edits below the lead. For edits that do not conflict with existing consensus: Prior consensus is NOT required. BOLD edits are allowed, subject to normal BRD process. The mere fact that an edit has not been discussed is not a valid reason to revert it. (March 2020)

44. Superseded by #71
The lead section should mention North Korea, focusing on Trump's meetings with Kim and some degree of clarification that they haven't produced clear results. See #32. (RfC May 2020)
45. Superseded by #48
There is no consensus to mention the COVID-19 pandemic in the lead section. (RfC May 2020, July 2020)

46. Use the caption "Official portrait, 2017" for the infobox image. (Aug 2020, Jan 2021) The consensus carries forward to "Official portrait, 2025" in 2025.

47. Do not mention Trump's net worth or Forbes ranking (or equivalents from other publications) in the lead, nor in the infobox. (Sep 2020)

48. Supersedes #45. Trump's reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic should be mentioned in the lead section. There is no consensus on specific wording, but the status quo is Trump reacted slowly to the COVID-19 pandemic; he minimized the threat, ignored or contradicted many recommendations from health officials, and promoted false information about unproven treatments and the availability of testing. (Oct 2020, RfC Aug 2020)

49. Supersedes #35. Include in lead: Trump has made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. (Dec 2020)

50. Superseded by #70
Supersedes #17. The lead sentence is: Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021. (March 2021), amended (July 2021), inclusion of politician (RfC September 2021)

51. Include in the lead that many of Trump's comments and actions have been characterized as misogynistic. (Aug 2021 and Sep 2021)

52. Supersedes #23. The lead should contain a summary of Trump's actions on immigration, including the Muslim travel ban (cf. item 23), the wall, and the family separation policy. (September 2021)

53. The lead should mention that Trump promotes conspiracy theories. (RfC October 2021)

54. Include in the lead that, quote, Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history. (RfC October 2021) Amended after re-election: After his first term, scholars and historians ranked Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history. (November 2024)

55. Regarding Trump's comments on the 2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, do not wiki-link "Trump's comments" in this manner. (RfC December 2021)

56. Retain the content that Trump never confronted Putin over its alleged bounties against American soldiers in Afghanistan but add context. Current wording can be altered or contextualized; no consensus was achieved on alternate wordings. (RfC November 2021) Trump's expressions of doubt regarding the Russian Bounties Program should be included in some capacity, though there there is no consensus on a specific way to characterize these expressed doubts. (RfC March 2022)

57. Do not mention in the lead Gallup polling that states Trump's the only president to never reach 50% approval rating. (RfC January 2022)

58. Use inline citations in the lead for the more contentious and controversial statements. Editors should further discuss which sentences would benefit from having inline citations. (RfC May 2022, discussion on what to cite May 2022)

59. Do not label or categorize Trump as a far-right politician. (RfC August 2022)

60. Insert the links described in the RfC January 2023.

61. When a thread is started with a general assertion that the article is biased for or against Trump (i.e., without a specific, policy-based suggestion for a change to the article), it is to be handled as follows:

  1. Reply briefly with a link to Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias, optionally using its shortcut, WP:TRUMPRCB.
  2. Close the thread using {{archive top}} and {{archive bottom}}, referring to this consensus item. Suggested closure for copy-and-paste:
    {{atop|Please read [[WP:TRUMPRCB]]. Closing per [[Talk:Donald Trump#C61|consensus 61]]. Eligible for manual archival after this time tomorrow. ~~~~}}
    [existing thread]
    {{abot}}
  3. Wait at least 24 hours per #13.
  4. Manually archive the thread.

This does not apply to posts that are clearly in bad faith, which are to be removed on sight. (May 2023)

62. The article's description of the five people who died during and subsequent to the January 6 Capitol attack should avoid a) mentioning the causes of death and b) an explicit mention of the Capitol Police Officer who died. (RfC July 2023)

63. Supersedes #18. The alma mater field of the infobox reads: "University of Pennsylvania (BS)". (September 2023)

64. Omit the {{Very long}} tag. (January 2024)

65. Mention the Abraham Accords in the article; no consensus was achieved on specific wordings. (RfC February 2024)

66. Omit {{infobox criminal}}. (RfC June 2024)

67. The "Health" section includes: "Trump says he has never drunk alcohol, smoked cigarettes, or used drugs. He drugs, and that he sleeps about four or five hours a night." (February 2021) Amended (October 2025)

68. Do not expand the brief mention of Trumpism in the lead. (RfC January 2025)

69. Do not include the word "criminal" in the first sentence. (January 2025)

70. Supersedes #50. First two sentences read:

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who is the 47th president of the United States. A member of the Republican Party, he served as the 45th president from 2017 to 2021.

Linking exactly as shown. (February 2025)

71. Supersedes #44. Omit from the lead a mention of the Trump–Kim meetings of 2018 and 2019. (April 2025)

72. Omit from the lead a mention of the January 6 pardons. (RfC July 2025)

73. Article body includes:

Trump had a 15-year friendship with Jeffrey Epstein; persons who knew them at the time said they frequently hit on and competed for women. Media attention and public pressure mounted in 2025, when his administration did not release files relating to Epstein, despite Trump's promise to do so during the 2024 campaign.

(August 2025, September 2025)

74. This article adheres to WP:EDITREQ. If an edit request is potentially controversial, an editor responds in one of three ways:

  • :{{subst:EEp|c}} ~~~~, rendering as:
     Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. [your signature]
  • If the editor prefers a less formal, more personal touch, non-template language to the same effect as above.
  • Or some combination of the above two, with the template first.
    Unless someone feels the response was incorrect for the situation (the edit request was not potentially controversial), no comments are posted after the response. Unless there is a good faith challenge in the interim, the thread is manually archived after 24 hours after the response, per #13. (October 2025)

75. Mention the Greenland crisis in the body. (January 2026)

76. Do not use the word "persecution" when describing Trump's policies toward transgender people. See closure for more. (RfC May 2026)

Internal consistency

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This article generally conforms to MoS guidelines. Where MoS guidelines allow differences between articles at editor discretion, this article uses the conventions listed here.

Copy editing

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These conventions do not apply to quotations or citation |title= parameters, which are left unchanged from the sources.

  1. Use American English, per the {{use American English}} template. A good American English dictionary is at https://www.merriam-webster.com/.
  2. Use "Month Day, Year" date format in prose, per the {{use mdy dates}} template.
  3. To prevent line breaks between month and day in prose, code for example April 12. Since content is often moved around, do this even if the date occurs very early on the line.
  4. To prevent line breaks within numerical quantities comprising two "words", code for example $10 billion.
  5. Use unspaced em dash ("—"), not spaced en dash (" – ").
  6. For em dash, code the HTML entity —. Do not code:
    • the actual em dash character (which is not found on standard keyboards and can be ambiguous in the font used in the edit window) or
    • the {{em dash}} template (which would unnecessarily consume some of the limited PEIS resource)
  7. For en dash, code the HTML entity –. Do not code:
    • the actual en dash character (which is not found on standard keyboards and can be ambiguous in the font used in the edit window) or
    • the {{en dash}} template (which would unnecessarily consume some of the limited PEIS resource)
  8. Use "U.S.", not "US", for abbreviation of "United States".
  9. Use the Oxford/serial comma. Write "this, that, and the other", not "this, that and the other".
  10. In the captions of images that depict Trump, generally omit identification of him; that is, omit his name. We omit the obvious, as image captions should always do. There are rare exceptions where "the obvious" is not so obvious, as at Donald Trump#Wealth (permalink).

References

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  1. |work= and its aliases link to the Wikipedia article when one exists.
  2. Generally, |work= and its aliases match the Wikipedia article's title exactly when one exists. Code |work=[[The New York Times]], not |work=[[New York Times]]. Code |work=[[Los Angeles Times]], not |work=[[The Los Angeles Times]].
    • There are some exceptions where a redirect is more appropriate, such as AP News and NPR News, but be consistent with those exceptions.
    • When the article title includes a parenthetical, such as in Time (magazine), pipe the link to drop the parenthetical: |magazine=[[Time (magazine)|Time]]. Otherwise, there is rarely a good reason to pipe this link.
  3. Code |last= and |first= for credited authors, not |author=.
  4. Code |author-link= when an author has a Wikipedia article (known author links are listed below). Place this immediately after the |last= and |first= parameters for that author. |last1=Baker|first1=Peter|author-link1=Peter Baker (journalist)|last2=Freedman|first2=Dylan.
  5. In |title= parameters, all-caps "shouting" is converted to title case. "AP FACT CHECK:" becomes "AP Fact Check:".
  6. Per consensus 25, omit the archive-related parameters for sources that are not dead. These parameters are |url-status=, |archive-url=, and |archive-date=.
  7. Omit |language= for English-language sources.
  8. Omit |publisher= for news sources.
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  10. Omit |issn= for news sources.
  11. Code a space before the pipe character for each parameter. For example, code: |date=April 12, 2025 |last=Baker |first=Peter |author-link=Peter Baker (journalist)—not: |date=April 12, 2025|last=Baker|first=Peter|author-link=Peter Baker (journalist). This provides the following benefits for the edit window and diffs:
    • Improved readability.
    • Over all, this tends to allow more line breaks at logical places (between cite parameters).
  12. Otherwise, coding differences that do not affect what readers see are unimportant. Since they are unimportant, we don't need to revert changes by editors who think they are important (the changes, not the editors:). For example:
    • Any supported date format is acceptable since the templates convert dates to mdy format for display.
    • For web-based news sources, the choice between |work=, |newspaper=, and |website= is unimportant.
    • The sequence of template parameters is unimportant.

Tracking lead size

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19 Aug 2025 :: 12,383 – 388,816 – 104

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14 Oct 2025 :: 13,114 – 414,237 – 57

21 Oct 2025 :: 13,108 – 414,101 – 54

28 Oct 2025 :: 13,171 – 417,154 – 48

4 Nov 2025 :: 13,175 – 417,011 – 50

11 Nov 2025 :: 13,164 – 415,372 – 34 [discussion]

18 Nov 2025 :: 12,956 – 394,038 – 61

25 Nov 2025 :: 12,783 – 388,790 – 71

2 Dec 2025 :: 12,773 – 386,717 – 72

9 Dec 2025 :: 12,752 – 386,130 – 63

16 Dec 2025 :: 12,220 – 377,872 – 57

23 Dec 2025 :: 11,506 – 344,755 – 151

30 Dec 2025 :: 11,194 – 334,303 – 171

6 Jan 2026 :: 11,238 – 335,167 – 169

13 Jan 2026 :: 11,349 – 341,400 – 154

20 Jan 2026 :: 11,449 – 346,888 – 140

27 Jan 2026 :: 10,973 – 337,423 – 158

3 Feb 2026 :: 10,962 – 338,910 – 154

10 Feb 2026 :: 11,102 – 342,743 – 146

17 Feb 2026 :: 11,099 – 342,763 – 143

24 Feb 2026 :: 11,150 – 348,613 – 131

3 Mar 2026 :: 11,278 – 350,923 – 131

10 Mar 2026 :: 11,252 – 350,370 – 131

17 Mar 2026 :: 11,270 – 350,813 – 130

24 Mar 2026 :: 11,340 – 351,753 – 128

31 Mar 2026 :: 11,340 – 351,831 – 128

7 Apr 2026 :: 11,417 – 353,945 – 125

14 Apr 2026 :: 11,409 – 354,642 – 122

21 Apr 2026 :: 11,415 – 354,612 – 122

28 Apr 2026 :: 11,490 – 357,727 – 118

5 May 2026 :: 11,557 – 358,922 – 116

12 May 2026 :: 11,563 – 359,791 – 112

19 May 2026 :: 11,595 – 361,335 – 108

26 May 2026 :: 11,624 – 362,112 – 106

2 Jun 2026 :: 11,622 – 361,654 – 107

9 Jun 2026 :: 11,613 – 362,507 – 106

16 Jun 2026 :: 11,676 – 363,146 – 28 [discussion]

23 Jun 2026 :: 11,675 – 362,936 – 107

30 Jun 2026 :: 11,666 – 363,409 – 113

7 Jul 2026 :: 11,667 – 363,418 – 111

14 Jul 2026 :: 11,695 – 364,430 – 111

Elections

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Under his elections why is there nothing saying how he choose Mike Pence and JD Vance? NicholasGian25 (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

There is an entire section on Pence in 2016 United States presidential election; how is that relevant here. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:21, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Non-consecutive term

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Trump began his second term upon his inauguration on January 20, 2025. He became the oldest to assume the presidency, the first president with a felony conviction, and the second person to serve two nonconsecutive terms as president.


Under this paragraph which is the first one in Second presidency, a note should be added saying the other was Grover Cleveland who was elected to his second non-consecutive term in 1892. NicholasGian25 (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Repeatedly rejected, most recently still on this page. There is a clear consensus against this mention. See talk page archives for more rejections. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 23:05, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Why should there just not be a note about it. There is one of Grover Clevelands page. What is the big deal? NicholasGian25 (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Your answer will be found in the prior discussions. We will not rehash them here. Please respect consensus. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 00:51, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Line following section heading

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First time I noticed it, appears to be on all Talk pages, including archives and user pages. Why? Space4TCatHerder🖖 15:50, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

I assume it's an infrastructure "improvement". For more explanation, you could try WP:HD or WP:VPT. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 15:56, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

De facto puppet state Venezuela in the lead

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  • Bold edit adding the bold text to the lead phrase ordered a military raid into Venezuela to capture the country's president and turned it into a de facto puppet state,
  • first revert,
  • restoration of bold edit,
  • second revert. The second revert included a change of longstanding content which I reverted here. (AFAIK, other than the single U.S. military raid to abduct Maduro there haven't been any boots on the ground, i.e., it was an isolated military raid.)
  • Current body text on U.S. involvement in Venezuela: "In Latin America, Trump pursued legally controversial military strikes against alleged drug boats in international waters,[1] and ordered a large military buildup.[2] In November 2025, Trump pardoned former Honduran president Juan Orlando Hernández, who had been extradited to the U.S. in 2022 and sentenced to 45 years in prison for drug trafficking. In January 2026, the U.S. captured Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro in a military raid in Venezuela and took him to New York, where he was charged with drug trafficking.[3] Following the raid, the United States de facto controls Venezuela as a puppet state, including control over its domestic finances, foreign policy, government appointments, revenues, and oil reserves.[4][5]"

Thoughts on adding "and turned it into a de facto puppet state" to the lead? Space4TCatHerder🖖 10:48, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

No not in the lede, this article is about him, not US foreign policy. Slatersteven (talk) 11:18, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
No per Slatersteven. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 16:27, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
No. "De Facto puppet state" isn't the correct term - there's a difference between not having full sovereignty and having none whatsoever. Reliable sources aren't equating Venezuela to, for example, Belarus. Obviously, the fact that Venezuela no longer enjoys full sovereignty should be noted, but "puppet state" is a bit strong. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 19:18, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps we could say the US has "unprecedented influence" or something like that? Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 19:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
No. This is a biography of Trump. For this kind of information, there are a number of alternative articles specific to his presidencies and his administrations, starting with Second presidency of Donald Trump. See WP:TRUMPOTA.
Don't let the existence of this kind of thing already in the article make you think it's ok to include. If editors want to improve this article, I recommend that they support substantial trimming of that kind of thing (including BOLD editing to that effect). ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 19:38, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Good point - I'd agree trimming is needed. But I think we should amend the wording on the body of the article calling it a "puppet state". It's supported by two sources - one NYT article from a few days ago and then one breaking news article from one day before it happened. That doesn't exactly meet the bar to say that if only one source that's not breaking news is cited. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 19:54, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Also, the NYT article certainly implies Venezuela is a puppet state, but never actually explicitly calls it that. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 19:58, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Why not support removal of that content in the body? Per what I said above. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 20:05, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Because it's relevant in the section it's in - Foreign policy (2025–present). Leaving it out would make no sense unless the article was hugely reorganized (which honestly, might be necessary, but is not the purpose of this thread). While, obviously, it's not something that should be in the lede, so I agree on that. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 20:27, 18 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Well, Trump is the president who returned the U.S. to the business of running Banana Republics, substituting oil for fruit, with big oil and the same old ruling class operating the country like a private commercial enterprise, just with a more compliant figurehead than Maduro. There are newer sources than the Times (on Wayback Machine), even if they don't use the term "de facto puppet". Space4TCatHerder🖖 20:40, 15 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Well, Trump is the president who returned the U.S. to the business of running Banana Republics, substituting oil for fruit, with big oil and the same old ruling class operating the country like a private commercial enterprise, just with a more compliant figurehead than Maduro.
That's your personal interpretation, which doesn't matter at all here. Grilledcheeseisgreat ✉ 20:08, 18 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ↑ Woodward, Alex (September 3, 2025). "Trump's Venezuelan boat violated international law, experts warn". The Independent. Retrieved September 3, 2025.
  2. ↑ Chávez, Steve; Stott, Michael (August 28, 2025). "US naval build-up near Venezuela stokes tensions in Latin America". Financial Times. Retrieved September 5, 2025.
  3. ↑ Downs, Garrett (January 4, 2026). "Trump admin pressed on pardon for ex-Honduras president after Venezuela's Maduro snatched". CNBC. Retrieved January 6, 2026.
  4. ↑ Pager, Tyler; Kurmanaev, Anatoly (July 11, 2026). "How Marco Rubio Is Running Venezuela From Afar". The New York Times. Retrieved July 12, 2026.
  5. ↑ Callaghan, Louise (January 4, 2026). "Who leads Venezuela now? Trump has picked his grudging puppet". The Times. Retrieved July 12, 2026.

Star

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Shouldn't the picture of the star he has from the Hollywood walk of fame be under media career considering he got that for his work in movies and all of that? NicholasGian25 (talk) 03:34, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

From the adjacent prose: "In 2007, he received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his work as producer of Miss Universe."
From the cited source: "Mr Trump received his star in 2007 for his role in producing the Miss Universe beauty pageant for over two decades, not for his television success with the NBC show The Apprentice."
No. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 04:09, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Mugshot should be added to the page

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Its one of the most iconic photographs of him, and it does do a good job at highlighting the criminal charges he went through. That's why I think it should be added. PublicDomainFan08 (talk) 07:40, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

We already have an almost identical one, so we can see what he looks like. Slatersteven (talk) 09:10, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
No. highlighting the criminal charges he went through — are you referring to Trump's claims of victimhood? I supported adding it, way back in 2023 when it was THE big story but, if I remember correctly, the image police said that WP could use it only once under fair use, and that was in the main article Mug shot of Donald Trump. In the meantime, several other iterations appear to have been uploaded to Commons and WP, and nobody knows or cares whether it's public domain or fair use. In retrospect, three years and a flood of "iconic" Trump pictures later, MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE applies. The Georgia case was dismissed — can't tell whether it was with or without justice prejudice. At any rate, it's unlikely that they'll take it up again in 2029. The case has two sentences in Legal issues, without mentioning the mug shot. Space4TCatHerder🖖 11:51, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
So I took a look at the file on Commons and apparently it is in the public domain and was inaccurately said to be under copyright. With that said, I would be in favor of adding it to the page in the "legal affairs" section. It's a historic photo, directly related to the section in question, and features Trump. I would also like to have the assassination photo on here but that one is unfortunately under copyright. BootsED (talk) 15:19, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Um, based on a legal opinion by user Moosey98? Public domain applies only to works produced by the federal government. Under Georgia law, photographs taken by law enforcement are public records, not public domain, with "right of access for personal inspection and copying, except those which by order of a court of this state or by law are specifically exempted from disclosure". I'd assume that Wikipedia's stricter fair-use policy for non-free content applies. But I'm not the image police; my objection is still MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE. Georgia required a mugshot while New York, D.C., and Florida said it's redundant—where is he going to hide with his Secret Service detail in tow? Space4TCatHerder🖖 16:21, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
There were claims Georgia works were under copyright, but research revealed otherwise and that's why it has its own template PublicDomainFan08 (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
You're the mobile account for User:CMBGAMER 2018? I can't figure out from the history of the recreated commons file "File:Donald Trump mugshot.jpg" where this comment originated: Disregard any claims of copyright from the sheriff's office. It is copyfraud. Commons user Moosey98 reviewed Georgia law and determined that it was public domain. But the discussion (whether or not a photograph that's part of Georgia's public record is in the public domain) belongs on the Talk page of the Commons file. Space4TCatHerder🖖 17:47, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oh that was already there as a caption, I just moved it to permission PublicDomainFan08 (talk) 21:55, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Anyway, here are links to two discussions in 2023: this one and, in particular, this one where I got my knuckles rapped but good. And (complete disclosure) this one. Space4TCatHerder🖖 18:04, 20 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Should "convicted felon" be added to the opening paragraph

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Considering Trump's extensive criminal record it seems pertinent to list him as a convicted felon in the opening paragraph. Other politicians feature this attribution, such as Dennis Hastert. ~2026-40179-12 (talk) 15:38, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

See talk page archive for every reason why no. Slatersteven (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
See consensus 70. Then, see "About consensus at this article" at Current consensus. This is a settled issue. ―Mandruss ☎ 2¢. IMO. 16:24, 16 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

See also

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In the See Also section the page of his electoral history should be added because it is no where to be found in his main page.

Electoral history of Donald Trump NicholasGian25 (talk) 17:19, 18 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Disagree. The 2016, 2020, and 2024 elections, linked in the section hatnotes in this article, are covered at length in separate articles about his campaigns, the Republican primaries, and the general elections. There's also an article on his 2000 Reform Party campaign, such as it was, linked inline in our Donald Trump#Early political aspirations section. The electoral history article is redundant. Space4TCatHerder🖖 17:43, 18 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Should Trump be considered a member of the NY Conservative party (at least in 2016)?

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I found this portion of the article for the Conservative Party of New York State, and it has a photograph of Trump accepting the party's nomination for president in 2016. Can this be interpreted as Trump also being a member of the Conservative Party, or is this negligible? AladdinC (talk) 12:38, 19 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Well does he have to be a member to accept it? Slatersteven (talk) 13:12, 19 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
RS reported that Trump is a registered Republican; AFAIK, no state allows registration as a member of more than party. The Conservative Party article says that "the Conservative Party usually endorses the same candidates as the Republican Party and campaigns against the Democratic candidates", and, according to the table in the New York Federal Offices section, the party has endorsed every Republican president since Nixon. I found this in a BI article from 2016: Speaking in front of a small crowd of about 100 people in midtown Manhattan, Trump accepted the Conservative Party's nomination, which is possible under a quirky New York election law that allows multiple parties to nominate the same ticket. Trump happened to be in Manhattan at the time for a campaign event as the Republican candidate and apparently thought, what the hey, good opportunity to reminisce about his Wollman Rink glory days. Thanks, Bruce. Space4TCatHerder🖖 16:12, 19 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
New York’s "fusion" voting system allows the same candidate to run on both a major party as well as a minor party line. This allows voters to vote for a major party candidate while supporting a minor party. See also Electoral fusion in the United States. Space4TCatHerder🖖 16:33, 19 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
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