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devildollAn update on my fatal attraction.
As I mentioned before, she stole my icon.
Which I pointed out.
(Funny side note: after I called her on it, she added her name to the top, where my name had been. It was blank when I first saw it. But I have screencaps of how it looked originally. *g*)
Her response?
"Wolverine belongs to Marvel."
My response: "I'll let people know that the graphics on loganandmarie.com are up for grabs for whoever wants to use them, since you don't believe in propietary rights in regards to fanart, manips, etc."
So there you go. It's all yours, folks.
And I'll be sure to haul out that "Wolverine belongs to Marvel" line the next time some nutjob starts crying plagiarism around here.
This is my favorite part, though:
So much anger....
Look, try not starting trouble in these boards. No one wants to hear your PMS rants. As you already know, I certainly don't care what you and your band of miserables think of me.
I have more important things to focus on.
Hey, maybe you should get a hobby
Help me! I'm being crushed by the irony! Arrrrrrrgh!
As I mentioned before, she stole my icon.
Which I pointed out.
(Funny side note: after I called her on it, she added her name to the top, where my name had been. It was blank when I first saw it. But I have screencaps of how it looked originally. *g*)
Her response?
"Wolverine belongs to Marvel."
My response: "I'll let people know that the graphics on loganandmarie.com are up for grabs for whoever wants to use them, since you don't believe in propietary rights in regards to fanart, manips, etc."
So there you go. It's all yours, folks.
And I'll be sure to haul out that "Wolverine belongs to Marvel" line the next time some nutjob starts crying plagiarism around here.
This is my favorite part, though:
So much anger....
Look, try not starting trouble in these boards. No one wants to hear your PMS rants. As you already know, I certainly don't care what you and your band of miserables think of me.
I have more important things to focus on.
Hey, maybe you should get a hobby
Help me! I'm being crushed by the irony! Arrrrrrrgh!
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Date: 2004-01-10 07:20 am (UTC)A HOBBY?
Let me see if I can find the quote...
It makes no difference to me because I'm going to defend my choice on the shipper issue to the radical extent. I would have hoped you'd understand where I'm coming from.
Yeah. That sounds like someone with a life.
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:22 am (UTC)Yeah. That sounds like someone with a life.
She doesn't need a life! She has a gorgeous website!
With no real content, but that doesn't matter.
*snerk*
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:26 am (UTC)No way, man. She's from LA and she's best friends with Bryan Singer, which is why he's asking her and all her friends for input on X3
It's true!
Really.
*tries to keep straight face*
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Date: 2004-01-10 09:11 am (UTC)Oh. My. God.
This, this, this person has created her own little womb of reality in which she believes everyone else participates. It's beyond pathetic...or sad. In fact, it's beyond even pathetisad.
I'm sensing some serious mental problems.
I don't think it's right for you to pick on someone who's obviously lacking in mental faculties. It's like running in circles beating up an armless midget and it's really unfair of you. [glares]
[lets out an explosive breath] PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't keep that up any more! Oh, God, this is just too insane!
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:29 am (UTC)Wait'll you here her theory on Hugh Jackman and Anna Paquin, and how Hugh can't bear to watch Anna's other movies where she's in sexual situations with other men, because she's his special unwrapped package that he's waiting to deflower.
[lets out an explosive breath] PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't keep that up any more! Oh, God, this is just too insane!
Hee!
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:13 am (UTC)And just where in your post did she read a claim for the character? Can she not read? Or maybe she reads whatever she wants, just as she sees whatever she wants, and hears whatever she wants, and believes whatever she wants...
Did you notice how she doesn't even argue well? You say something, and she tries to argue with it with something almost completely unrelated.
I can't even feel sorry for her for how amusing she is even when her intention is another. But we should feel sorry for her, as we should feel sorry for the ill and brainless people. *g*
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:35 am (UTC)That about sums her up.
Did you notice how she doesn't even argue well? You say something, and she tries to argue with it with something almost completely unrelated.
That's because when you're nuts and dumb, that's your best defense.
And even her snark is stolen from me! All this "you guys love me" and "you're following me stuff"? She started doing that after I started calling her my stalker.
She's like a mini-me, only with 1/4 the brain cells.
I can't even feel sorry for her for how amusing she is even when her intention is another. But we should feel sorry for her, as we should feel sorry for the ill and brainless people. *g*
I don't think we should feel sorry for her. She wants everyone to hate her. That's the only explanation I can come up with. She's on a mission to piss off and/or alienate everyone on the internet.
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:13 am (UTC)As I mentioned before, she stole my icon.
Which I pointed out.
(Funny side note: after I called her on it, she added her name to the top, where my name had been. It was blank when I first saw it. But I have screencaps of how it looked originally. *g*)
My god, she's a genius! Why, we must have been wrong about her crazy stealing ass! After all, if it has her name on it now...
Her response?
"Wolverine belongs to Marvel."
Hold it. I thought Wolverine, Rogue, and gingerbread belonged to Terri? So, what, they negotiated and Marvel got Wolverine back?
Huh. They should have held out for the gingerbread.
My response: "I'll let people know that the graphics on loganandmarie.com are up for grabs for whoever wants to use them, since you don't believe in propietary rights in regards to fanart, manips, etc."
Considering the flogger's past history, and if they're okay with this, I would think hotlinking from lame.com would be okay too.
So there you go. It's all yours, folks.
And I'll be sure to haul out that "Wolverine belongs to Marvel" line the next time some nutjob starts crying plagiarism around here.
Yeah, but I'm still unclear about the gingerbread.
This is my favorite part, though:
So much anger....
Look, try not starting trouble in these boards. No one wants to hear your PMS rants. As you already know, I certainly don't care what you and your band of miserables think of me.
I have more important things to focus on.
Hey, maybe you should get a hobby
If she doesn't know you, how does she know your band is miserable. And I don't think we're miserable, we're just needing a new violinist and some melody.
Help me! I'm being crushed by the irony! Arrrrrrrg
*saveses you*
Luckily, you have a band, while the fucktard seems to have lost all support everywhere.
Funny, that.
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:43 am (UTC)*gets marker, sets out to find Hugh Jackman*
*who can probably be found stalking Anna Paquin*
Hold it. I thought Wolverine, Rogue, and gingerbread belonged to Terri? So, what, they negotiated and Marvel got Wolverine back?
Huh. They should have held out for the gingerbread.
Maybe they traded carpet for Wolverine.
Considering the flogger's past history, and if they're okay with this, I would think hotlinking from lame.com would be okay too.
Except there's no content there to hotlink. *snerk*
Yeah, but I'm still unclear about the gingerbread.
Dude, quit saying that. We have to pay 25 cents everytime someone uses that word, like radio stations have to pay royalties on songs.
If she doesn't know you, how does she know your band is miserable. And I don't think we're miserable, we're just needing a new violinist and some melody.
We're miserable because Bryan Singer hates us, don't you know?
*saveses you*
Whew!
Luckily, you have a band, while the fucktard seems to have lost all support everywhere.
Well, not everywhere...
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Date: 2004-01-11 09:37 am (UTC)Huh. They should have held out for the gingerbread.
*dies laughing*
Mmm...Wolverine and gingerbread.
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:46 am (UTC)Another one to add to the thrush brigade!
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:57 am (UTC)Another one to add to the thrush brigade!
She's thrush brigade royalty!
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Date: 2004-01-10 11:44 am (UTC)I wish she hadn't taken her fic down. That right there is some funny shit.
Hey Gina! Check out my icon - you can have it. Use it everywhere. Though I do realize that the subtlety will be absolutely lost on you.
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Date: 2004-01-10 12:10 pm (UTC)Oh. You know it. Probably taking notes as we speak... putting all the caps in their Proper places and preparing some brilliant retort of "FATTY COWTARDS!!11!" or whatnot.
I wish she hadn't taken her fic down. That right there is some funny shit.
Maybe she took it down after DDFH lost the exclusive rights to Wolverine to Marvel?
Heh. Like when Michael Jackson owned the rights to the Beatles song album. Some sh*t just ain't right.
Hey Gina! Check out my icon - you can have it. Use it everywhere.
If I'm not mistaken, has Brigadeer General Thrush paid you a visit recently? From the looks of your LJ, seems like it. ;)
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Date: 2004-01-10 03:03 pm (UTC)In a sad, pathetic, good God she needs a life kinda way, but funny.
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Date: 2004-01-15 09:20 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-01-10 08:22 pm (UTC)Does anybody think "she" might be a graduate student at Cornell who is doing his master's thesis on internet pariahs?
::sigh:: I didn't think so.
Donna :)
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Date: 2004-01-11 07:04 am (UTC)I just commented that to someone else. Of course, I guess this time you thought it first, but still...
Yeah. She's too stupid to log online by herself. It must be an act.
-Bree
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Date: 2004-01-11 02:24 am (UTC)I reckon she'd be employee of the month in no time, she could wear one of those little name badges McDonalds hand out complete with the little gold stars and everything ;)
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Date: 2004-01-13 09:07 am (UTC)It's good to have a purpose in life, I guess. Hee.
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Date: 2004-01-11 08:34 am (UTC)cohortsplaymates. Obviously, they are all in need of immediate help and probably lots and lots of medication. Perhaps we could collect enough for permanent hospitalization.XD
Alternatively, we could shut down our fanart sites for a couple weeks and report her to Marvel. That would be amusing.
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Date: 2004-01-11 09:00 am (UTC)I think they are already being medicated. It's called self-medication. *g*
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Date: 2004-01-11 09:34 am (UTC)*hugs DD*
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Date: 2004-01-15 10:01 am (UTC)Fooled you!
*hugs DD*
*hugs*
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Date: 2004-01-11 10:42 am (UTC)I remember when you made that icon DD i also remember all the times Gina has been kicked of the mailing list.
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Date: 2004-01-15 10:05 am (UTC)Yes, we sure were a couple of crazy kids back then. Or at least one of us was crazy. *snerk*
On the subject of icon usage..
Date: 2004-01-15 08:59 pm (UTC)If another person copies the icon (making a totally new one that looks exactly the same not right-clicking), is that theft? Also, what about the image itself? Isn't it actually the property of the movie studio, the actor portrayed, or the comic book company?
I agree with others that it's tacky to take an image and say you created or manipulated it when you didn't. But as to proprietary rights over a third-party image that's been manipulated, it seems to be a bit of a grey area. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on this...
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Date: 2004-01-16 08:00 am (UTC)Hmm. It appears that what you are saying here is that since there isn't any real and true way to enforce rules like "don't steal icons," that we shouldn't bother to have the rule at all.
And that kind of thing really, really worries me.
Yes, the fandom community doesn't have a "real" way to enforce its rules, which is why people who break them are subjected to the only recourse we have: pointing out what they did, in public.
I agree it's naive to think that no one will ever run off with an icon (this is not the first time it's happened to me, but this was the first time the person basically said, "Too fucking bad!" which was why I posted about it in my journal), but I don't think that means that we should just accept it and let it happen.
If another person copies the icon (making a totally new one that looks exactly the same not right-clicking), is that theft?
Yes.
Also, what about the image itself? Isn't it actually the property of the movie studio, the actor portrayed, or the comic book company?
Yes, the orignal image does belong to the movie studio, the comic company, whatever.
But if you look at it that way, you're coming at it from a different angle than I am. The image thief isn't stealing the image--they are stealing the time and effort the person put into making the image into something new and different and unique. The stolen image is the physical representation of intangibles that are of value to the person who used them to create something, and taking it is wrong.
Let's say I go to the store and buy a Betty Crocker cake mix. I make the cake, and then put it on my windowsill to cool (because I live in Mayberry), and you come along and steal it.
Have you stolen my cake? Or Betty Crocker's cake?
Do I have no right to protest that you took my cake, because I made it from ingredients I got from a box?
I agree with others that it's tacky to take an image and say you created or manipulated it when you didn't. But as to proprietary rights over a third-party image that's been manipulated, it seems to be a bit of a grey area. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on this...
But that's what fandom is based on, rights over things that are created from things that don't belong to you.
And the suggestion that it's okay to take fanart because it's made from images that belong to the owners of the source material...well, that's just scary. Because what does that mean for fan fiction, then?
As far as LJ icons specifically, some people put a lot of effort into them, and they are their own creations. Little 100x100 fanarts, if you will. So they should be included in the "do not steal" rule.
Because if they aren't, sooner or later someone will start nipping fanart and saying that it's not that different from an LJ icon and it's okay to take those. so why is taking fanart wrong? And then people will start taking stories and putting their own names on them, and saying that's okay because a story isn't that much different from fanart.
And if it got to that point, I honestly think I'd be out of here. Once it becomes okay to just take what you want, then there's no point in putting any effort into stuff other people are just going to steal.
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