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Computing

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December 3

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Bluetooth mouse turns itself off

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I have a Dell Inspiron 3910 desktop computer, running the latest version of Windows 11. (That is, I receive and install the updates.) I have a USB optical mouse, but had two problems from time to time with it. The first is that sometimes the USB connector came loose from the back of the computer, so that I had to diddle around with the cable and reseat it. The second was that I would occasionally catch the cable with my foot and bring the mouse onto the floor, and occasionally bring the keyboard onto the floor. (If the cat was asleep on her chair, this had the undesired side effect of scaring her.) So I bought a Bluetooth Insignia BT3.0 mouse. It worked fine for a while, but a few days ago, it would sometimes turn off while I was using it. I would have to turn the power switch on the underside of the mouse off and then turn it on again to restore mouse functionality. For now, I am using the USB mouse, and am asking whether this is a known problem with bottom-of-the-line Bluetooth mice, and whether there is a way to deal with it. If I have to buy a $20 or $30 Bluetooth or wireless USB mouse because the $7 Bluetooth mouse is not worth $7, that is what one gets for buying a bottom-of-the-line peripheral.

Is there a way that I can avoid having the mouse turn itself off, or do I need a slightly better mouse? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You may need to replace the battery. Ruslik_Zero 20:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I bought the mouse about two weeks ago, User:Ruslik0. If I need to replace the battery, would that mean that the battery was weak from the start, or that the mouse is a power hog, or what would it mean? I don't think that I should have to replace an almost new battery, but we shall see. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Never trust a battery that comes with an item. You have no idea how longs it has been in the manufacturer's stock - possibly since long before that item was actually assembled. A new battery is a quick, comparatively cheap fix. If it makes no difference, reuse the battery elsewhere, and try a different fix.
I use a Logitech (no connection &c.) wireless keyboard+mouse combination with Windows 11 (and Linux), and do not experience any untoward powering off by either item. -- Verbarson  talkedits 16:38, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I second that. A similar thing happened to me when I bought a second-hand car last year that basically died on my driveway the same day. The garage were indignant when I suggested they'd sold me a car with a dud battery, but after they'd spent 24 hours trying and failing to fully recharge it, they replaced it with a new one for nothing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 07:47, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would bite the bullet and splash out on a decent Logitech wireless USB mouse. Maybe a wireless keyboard as well, saves you knocking out that annoying wiggly cable all the time. It's Christmas, why not grab another 4 or 8 GB RAM while you're at it? MinorProphet (talk) 14:26, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... or go large and buy a rechargeable Bluetooth mouse. That way, you don't have to worry about batteries at all — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 17:33, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another option is to stay with cables. Buy a USB hub and glue (fix / tie-wrap) it to the front of the computer. Plug it in at the back and trap any spare cable under the computer so nothing can hang down. Plug the mouse and keyboard into the hub with the wires neatly shortened. That way, you don't have to worry about batteries at all — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 17:53, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

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BCP 47 for biological names

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Template:Btname is used to mark biological names, like Vombatus ursinus. It currently begins

<span style="font-style: italic;" lang="la">…

I think this is wrong, because biological names aren't in Latin: they're language-independent. The whole point is that they're the same, whatever language you're writing in. (Besides, they're fairly often drawn from other languages-- see for example Chrysoclista, which is Greek for "gold-washed".)

Now, it seems to me that BCP 47 should have something to say about how to write lang attributes for biological names, but I can't find anything. This must be a solved problem! How would you do it? Marnanel (talk) 08:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to Binomial nomenclature the names use 'Latin grammatical forms', whatever their linguistic roots. They therefore behave the same as any other words adopted into Latin from other languages. There is an extended dsicussion at Binomial nomenclature § Derivation of binomial names. What seems to be missing from the article (except by implication) is any indication of which alphabets or scripts may or may not be used. I guess that the 'Latin' alphabet (ie 26 English letters) is the only set of letters allowed? -- Verbarson  talkedits 16:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The International Code of Zoological Nomenclature states:[3]
"11.2. Mandatory use of Latin alphabet
A scientific name must, when first published, have been spelled only in the 26 letters of the Latin alphabet (taken to include the letters j, k, w and y); the presence in a name when first published of diacritic and other marks, apostrophes or ligatures, or a hyphen, or a numeral in a compound species-group name, does not render the name unavailable (for corrections, see Articles 27 and 32.5.2)."
The International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants has the same requirement:[4]
"32.1.  To be validly published, a name of a taxon (autonyms excepted) must:
...
(b)  be composed only of letters of the Latin alphabet, except as provided in Art. 23.3, 60.4, 60.7, and 60.12–15; and ..."
 ​‑‑Lambiam 21:39, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My issue here is that just as it's called "the common wombat" in English, it's called simply "vombatus" in Late Latin. If you were actually writing in Latin, you would only use the phrase "Vombatus ursinus" in exactly the same contexts you would use it in English. So I don't see that *Vombatus ursinus* is in Latin. Marnanel (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since there is no ISO 639 language code for binomial nomenclaturese, the only permitted alternative, within the HTML standard, is to omit the lang attribute altogether. I don't see much value in having it – or for that matter the template, used in only 23 articles – but I also do not see the harm.  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:42, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's colloquially called a 'Latin name' for ease of reference: that doesn't mean it's what any classical (or vernacular) Latin speaker/writer would have called the entity in question (I'm pretty sure they never saw a wombat), but Neo-Latin remained the international language of scientists until relatively recently (I've read of one mathematician who still insists on submitting his new papers using it) and its specialised use in Taxonomy has persisted, because it works.
(I studied classical Latin at school and failed the exam, but it's still one of the more valuable subjects I took because of its prevalence underlying so much scientific vocabulary, as well as its relevance in linguistics.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 08:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

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no sound on windows 10

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Have our Lords and Master at Microsoft decreed that we can no longer audio?

My windows 10 machine suddenly has no sound. When I try to turn up the volume, a window opens that says "We're here to help."

Does any rational person not suspect fraud? Are they trying to take me captive to sell me on an auction block to a plantation owner? Is it possible to run the Windows operating system without assenting to that? ~2025-37205-52 (talk) 05:24, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-37205-52 This is nothing to do with Microsoft. The sound on Wikipedia works fine for me. I suggest you check your connections and then try restarting your computer. Have you tried plugging in an external speaker? Failing that, take it to a repair shop. Shantavira|feed me 11:42, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ask yourself, what changed? I normally don't bother with the Google seach assistant, but if you stick this query in the search box: Windows 10 no volume, a window opens that says "We're here to help." a number of apparently helpful suggestions appear. Rather than to-ing and fro-ing trying to work out just what your system/device is and exactly what the symptoms are, why not try those and come back with some more information? My favourite trick is to try Windows Restore to a time before the problem occurred. Best of luck, MinorProphet (talk) 10:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

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Microsoft Q&A problem (and a computing question)

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I've been trying to ask the following question on the Microsoft Q&A site [5]:


I'm updating a WPF application that's written in C#. My development environment is Visual Studio 2023. The application currently uses .NET Framework 4.6.1, but I'm hoping to upgrade to a more modern version of .NET as part of the update.

The application uses a 32-bit COM dll, which I've called "DataTest" in the code below. This has been registered with regsvr32 and appears on the list of available COM objects in my project. When added to the "References" section, a DLL named "Interop.DataTest.dll" is created in my \obj directory, as expected.

The DLL exposes a single object, "CDataTest", with various properties and methods. I instantiate it as follows:

   using System;
   using DataTest;
   namespace MyNameSpace.DataTest
   {
       /// <summary>
       /// Wrapper for DataTest CDataTest object
       /// </summary>
       public class DataTest
       {
           private readonly CDataTest _dataTest;
           public DataTest()
           {
               _DataTest = new CDataTest();
           }
       }
   }

This works correctly when I build the application in "x86" or "All CPUs" mode. However, I now need to access a new 64-bit DLL, so I need to build the application in "x64" mode. When I do so, I get the following exception when instantiating CDataTest:

   System.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80040154): Retrieving the COM class factory for component with CLSID {[GUID]} failed due to the following error: 80040154 Class not registered (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040154 (REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG)).

"GUID" is the GUID of the CDataTest object. Following the advice in another question on this site, I've added the following keys to my registry:

   HKLM\Software\Classes\CLSID\{GUID}
   HKLM\Software\Classes\AppID\{GUID}

The first key contains only a REG_SZ value "AppID" which is set to the GUID, the second key contains only an empty REG_SZ value "DllSurrogate". However, this hasn't fixed the issue. A 64-bit version of "DataTest" or a 32-bit version of the new DLL are not available.


However, when I try and post it, I get a message "This question has been deleted due to a violation of our Code of Conduct". I have two questions for Wikipedia:

  1. Does anyone have any idea why the question above violates Microsoft's Code of Conduct? I don't see any obvious Scunthorpe problem.
  2. Can anyone help with the underlying DLL issue?

Thanks. ~2025-37950-70 (talk) 18:13, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To answer the second part of my question:
  1. Create a new GUID using your favourite text editor (I used the one in Visual Studio). APP_GUID in the code below.
  2. In Regedit, find HKLM\Software\WOW6432Node\Classes\CLSID\{GUID}.
  3. Add a value "AppID" to this key, and set it to {APP_GUID}.
  4. Create the key HKLM\Software\WOW6432Node\Classes\AppID\{APP_GUID}.
  5. Set the (Default) value of this key to the DLL name (in my case, "DataTest.dll").
  6. Create a new REG_SZ value "DllSurrogate" for this key, leaving the value empty.
  7. Create the key HKLM\Software\WOW6432Node\Classes\AppID\DataTest.dll (or whatever your DLL name is).
  8. In this key, create the REG_SZ value "AppID", and set it to {APP_GUID}.

~2025-37950-70 (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 14

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Why is so much security camera footage shared by filming a screen?

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Example here


Would it not make more sense for police departments to release the actual footage instead of just filming a computer screen with the footage playing instead? Is CCTV files really that hard to access Trade (talk) 05:39, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They may be closed proprietary systems without any easy means to export the file in a common format.
Additionally for security concerns, they may not even have I/O ports to reduce the risk of someone tampering with existing footage or introducing malware. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 11:45, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A reason may be that this may be easier; the police department may not have the software or expertise to convert the format from what has been called a "maze of formats".[6]  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:41, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 15

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Two PDF options on print

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I am using a Dell desktop computer running Windows 11. If I click that I want to print a page, I am commonly given the options of Save to PDF, Canon D570 (the printer that I have connected to the computer), Microsoft Print to PDF, and OneNote (Desktop). If I want a PDF, rather than paper, what is the difference between Save to PDF and Microsoft Print to PDF? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:20, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Applications like Word, Excel etc. have their own feature implementation to save the document as PDF. The Print to PDF is like a print driver that any application can use to print the document as PDF instead of a real printer. 05:54, 16 December 2025 (UTC) manya (talk) 05:54, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They are just two different virtual printer drivers that have a similar function but slightly different features. For example, on my computer, "Save to PDF" gives a choice of 10 paper sizes, while "Microsoft Print to PDF" gives 54 paper sizes. Any software can provide such a function and add it to the printer selection list. On my computer, I have Quicken installed, and there is consequently yet a third PDF selection in the menu, "Quicken PDF Printer" (which supports 149 paper sizes). There is probably little difference in the result if you choose "Save to PDF" or "Microsoft Print to PDF" unless you need a specific paper size not supported by the former. CodeTalker (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

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Science

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December 3

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Medical-biology: interpersonal difference of in-door drowsiness

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Something I searched around but didn't get a great answer for:

People can have very different capacity to tolerate reduced O2 / increased CO2 level, even with similar living experiences (e.g., always at sea-level) and physical fitness (e.g., stamina and strength). Why? What contributes to this difference?

Q2: How do we call this phenomenon? I've came across both hypoxemia and hypoxia, but they seem to describe only severe cases than mere drowsiness.

Thank you a lot. iris 3:04p, Edited 1:19p the next day to remove personal medical stuff. ~2025-38114-80 (talk) 07:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you need to pay your doctor a visit. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots08:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I know. Sadly our outpatient departments here focus mainly on solving identifiable diseases, and the doctors' response is basically "go out once in a while".
Chinese goverment limited outpatient sessions to US$4-equivalant of fee, afterall. ~2025-38114-80 (talk) 10:59, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not allowed to diagnose medical problems. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots14:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with Bugs. This question started out as a request for information, but quickly shifted to asking us what was wrong with you. That's not something we should be doing, even if we might like to do so out of helpfulness. Your point about it getting worse really suggests that something is happening to you and should probably be reviewed by a qualified person that can examine you properly. Sorry. Matt Deres (talk) 15:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Any options between visiting a doctor and asking random strangers on the Internet? As stated at the top of this page, we cannot give medical advice. At the same time, if everybody with some minor issue went to see their doctor, there would be such a queue that the people really ill would drop dead before reaching the surgery's doorstep. Unless there were more doctors, but that will inflate the cost of healthcare. Now people have told me that US healthcare is an order of magnitude more expensive than anywhere else in the world. PiusImpavidus (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Birds flying North

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In the morning beteen 6 AM and 7 AM, I look out my East-facing window while I lie in bed (in Rockville, Montgomery county Maryland). I see birds flying North (or sometimes NNE). This happens almost every day (that is when the weather is not so bad that they are grounded). It is rare to see a bird fly in any other direction. This seems odd to me, especially since it is late Autumn. Shouldn't they fly South? Why do they fly North specifically? I figure that this is a Biology question, so I am asking it here. JRSpriggs (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While some Northern hemisphere bird species "fly south for the winter", many don't. You give no indication of what sort of birds: birds may move in the early morning from their roosts to feeding grounds some distance away; in the case of waterbirds or water-associated birds (like bald eagles) these may be lakes in the area (which I regularly see with geese where I live in Southern England, near some artificial lakes). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.1905} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 03:04, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Depending exactly where you are in Rockville, they could be headed for Lake Needwood or Lake Bernard Frank on some sort of daily commute. Do you never see them doing the reverse in the late afternoon? Mikenorton (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely daily commuters. Most migratory birds have reached their winter home by now.
The birds may not even take the same trajectory there and back again. For example, they may fly high in a tailwind and low in a headwind. Does the wind have a preferred direction in Maryland? On days with significant thermals, the boundary layer is thinner in early morning than late afternoon, so wind speed has a different effect on altitude during the morning commute than during the evening commute. Maybe their feeding area is visible from very far away, so they can fly in a straight line, but their sleeping area is harder to find, so they have to follow a string of landmarks. Maybe they take a detour to make use of thermals in the afternoon, which aren't present in early morning. Et cetera. PiusImpavidus (talk) 11:58, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It snowed here three days ago. I have not seen any birds since then. They might be flying after 7 AM when I get up since it is darker in the morning now. I am not looking in the afternoon and evening, so I do not know whether they come back then or from which direction(s). Thanks for your time, but I am done here. JRSpriggs (talk) 00:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

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If an alien ship came towards us...

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I have seen the controversy over the 3I/ATLAS comet, that Avi Loeb said it was an alien spaceship, but most evidence would suggest it isn't. But let's say, as an hypotethical case, that a real alien spacecraft was really flying towards us. Let's say, like alien versions of the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2. How closer should they get for us to see them and confirm their nature? And would it be possible to intercept and capture them, if they were confirmed to be technological? Cambalachero (talk) 03:32, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since the technological capabilities would be unknown, there's no way to know what the answer to that question would be. Potentially it might be possible to approach it, but what happens when or if it detects the approaching vehicle is unknown until it happens. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots03:52, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming the hypothetical, it is a reasonable further assumption that the extraneous intelligence behind the comet-like probe has the technology to disguise its nature that is so advanced that we, backward humans, stand no chance of confirming the hypothesis.  ​‑‑Lambiam 07:48, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whether we can confirm it's built by aliens depends on how hard the aliens tried to disguise it. If they simply put a 3 kilometre radio dish on the surface, it should be easy once we can resolve the object. And there are tricks to make images of objects we can't resolve.
Intercepting it would be hard. The delta-V required is just too much. The best chance would be to use a big rocket with extra upper stages to send a tiny probe, like a cubesat. But orbital insertion must be perfect, or it won't get within a few kilometres of the nucleus. Even then, the probe will have a relative velocity of tens of kilometres per second, allowing for just one snapshot and measuring the mass, if the probe isn't disabled first by a collision with a dust particle from the coma. Capture requires another big delta-V, so forget about it.
A better option might be radar observation. This would have been almost possible for the Arecibo Telescope. PiusImpavidus (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Loeb didn't say it was an alien spacecraft, he speculated that it could be, and calculations on which he partly based this have been shown to be erroneous, as 3I/ATLAS#Alien spacecraft speculation details. Loeb has a history of this sort of thing.
Actual alien spacecraft would (I suggest) be most likely to betray their nature by alterations in velocity and/or trajectory impossible to ascribe to any natural cause (rather than slight ones which natural phenomena can explain), and/or by a reflectance spectrum completely unlike a natural body. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 21:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You ask about an alien version of the Voyager probes with their 1.85 meter radius radio mirrors. Consider flat disks of this radius, with 100% albedo, and ideal conditions (disk is perpendicular to the direction of the Sun, and opposite to the Sun as seen from the observer). The disk at about 1 AU from the Sun, receives a fraction of   of the Sun's radiation. It reflects it to one side, and with Lambert's cosine law that should give a factor of 4 if I remember correctly, so the luminosity as seen from 1 AU distance should be   times that of the Sun. Taking minus the base-10 logarithm, multiplying it by 2.5, and adding it to the Sun's apparent magnitude gives us an apparent magnitude of 27.7 or so.
The Vera C. Rubin Observatory has a limiting magnitude of 24.5 for single images. As this telescope makes regular surveys, it would be likely to discover the alien Voyager if close enough. We need to increase the brightness by 3.2 magnitudes (or a factor of  ) which can be done by decreasing the distance from 1 AU to   AU.
In order to really discover that it's moving through the Solar system with some hyperbolic excess velocity, we'd need a few images. But we'd still know almost nothing about the object. If we want to resolve it optically, perhaps to see the magnetometer boom and the disk of the radio reflector, say resolve 0.5 meters or better (I don't think seeing an elongated shape alone is enough), with e.g. the Hubble Space Telescope, the resolution should be at the order of magnitude of   (see angular resolution), so it would need to be as close as 2500 km (from the Hubble Space Telescope). Highly unlikely, unfortunately.
What other way would there be to tell that it is special? Its RTGs would long be cold, so not from excess heat. Its radio would long be silent. If we illuminate it with microwave radiation (radar), it would have to be probably as close to see the structure, at least if we do it with a local array of radio telescopes. Larger combined radio telescopes have been used as for the Event Horizon Telescope, but as it took longer for them to image our Galaxy's black hole than M87's larger one, due to fluctuations at shorter timescales for our smaller black hole, it's probably not ready for imaging something which is in all likelihood rotating comparatively fast.... though let's assume it is (if the alien Voyager is not tumbling, the regularity of the rotation can help). Assume a radar wavelength of 2 millimeters, and an effective telescope size of something like 10000 km, to give a resolution of something like  , so we could resolve it at 2.5 million km instead of 2500 or so. All to be taken more as order of magnitude estimates.
So I think the best possibility is having the luck of the object missing Earth only by a few million km and a really good worldwide-receiver radar system being used.
Icek~enwiki (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would expect the best detail would come from planetary radar, where the signal is transmitted from Earth, bounces off the target, and is received again on Earth (either at the same site or a different one). The ability to modulate the signal gives a big advantage. In particular, the combination of time-of-flight and doppler allows details on the target to be resolved in a way that is not limited by distance or array size (assuming enough signal-to-noise). Unfortunately, planetary radar will not be possible during 3I/Atlas's pass through the inner solar system [7], but perhaps it could work for another interstellar visitor. --Amble (talk) 17:25, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

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energy mass

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Is it right that every solid matter in this universe including liquid and gas came from energy and in beginning there was no matter? ~2025-38835-24 (talk) 04:18, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not correct. The origin of the universe, and of the Earth, is not known with any confidence. There are many theories as to the origin of matter and the origin of energy. Dolphin (t) 08:22, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The definitions of the concept of matter vary considerably; see Matter § Definition. But all agree on the involvement of elementary particles. According to the prevailing physical theory of cosmogenesis, during the Planck epoch – the time within 10−43 seconds of the Big Bang – energy was so concentrated that the concept of particle of quantum physics breaks down. So there was nothing yet that could be understood in current physics as being a particle. Compare this to what happens when you strike a bell with a hammer. If it is a good bell, you'll hear a clear musical tone, which is actually not a pure tone but more complex. But for the first millisecond after striking the bell, there is a loud (very energetic) sound, but nothing yet that could be called a tone. It takes some time for a tone to emerge from the initial chaos.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:20, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

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Boundary between cyclones and typhoons

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Terminology for tropical cyclones on a world map

I drew this diagram based on http://nesdis.noaa.gov/news/hurricanes-cyclones-and-typhoons-whats-name but am unsure where to put the boundary between cyclones and typhoons in the South China Sea (so made it a gradient). Would anyone here know exactly? Thanks, cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 01:51, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources agree that typhoons are associated with the Northwest Pacific, and the South China Sea is part of the Pacific Ocean. Nothing in the NOAA diagram contradicts that as far as I can see, and the article that goes with the diagram consigns cyclones to "the western South Pacific and Indian oceans" (no mention of North Pacific).
On an unrelated note, there doesn't appear to be a definition for storms in the South Atlantic; the NOAA says they're hurricanes, whereas we have South Atlantic tropical cyclone. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:45, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much, @Clarityfiend: I would've thought so, but for Cyclone Senyar which has a track on the South China Sea. Is there any reason for this exception? cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 14:40, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When the Joint Typhoon Warning Center issued a warning for Cyclone Senyar, at the time referred to as as Tropical Cyclone 04B but named "Senyar" a few hours later, it was centred over the Strait of Malacca, in the "Cyclone" area. When the system crossed into the "Typhoon" area, it was as a tropical depression. I don't know if it would have been renamed if it had gained storm strength again.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:06, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll use the Malay Peninsula as the boundary then.   Done cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 20:39, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cmglee: That leaves the South China Sea south of the equator in a sort of naming no-man's-land. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:53, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is very rare for a tropical storm to develop that close to the equator.[8] List of tropical cyclones near the Equator does not list any from that area.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:26, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first line of our article Typhoon states "A typhoon is a tropical cyclone that develops between 180° and 100°E in the Northern Hemisphere and . . . ."
As a former resident of Singapore (103°E) I can confirm that the name 'typhoon' is used there. [Edited to add} This would extend the 'pink zone' to halfway up the Strait of Malaysia. {The poster formerly known as as 87.81.30.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 09:58, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The designation Typhoon is also used in England,[9] while Cyclone can be found used in Singapore, like for Cyclone Senyar mentioned above.[10] The choice of designation does not depend on the location of the utterer but on that of the storm, in particular its location at the time it developed hurricane-level strength and was named by a warning centre.  ​‑‑Lambiam 14:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In Kansas it is a cyclone - or so 'The Wizard of Oz' describes it! NadVolum (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's talking about a tornado, not a hurricane. --~2025-39159-56 (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An old-fashioned term, in common American usage in the 19th century. It's how Cy Young got his nickname. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots04:58, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

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What are Azaindoles.

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Do they occur naturally or are they only synthesized? --Preceding unsigned comment --Preceding unsigned comment 01:27, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 
indole
If you take an indole molecule, whose structure is shown here, and replace one of the carbon atoms in its benzene ring by a nitrogen atom, you get an azaindole. Or this can mean, more generally, a compound derived from a simple azaindole by replacing one or more of the hydrogen atoms by substituent groups.
There are both naturally occurring and synthetic azaindoles.[11]  ​‑‑Lambiam 02:20, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also many are known as pyrrolopyridines, see Category:Pyrrolopyridines for some articles here. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✔️ Thank you. --Preceding unsigned comment 23:38, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where to find a skull cadaver dissection video?

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I need to find a video for a fresh cadaver. Starting from the straight beginning of skin removal (including cut of the bone).

This would be for psychatric use. ~2025-39568-62 (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=skull+cadaver+dissection ~2025-39358-87 (talk) 00:58, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

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Leaving the reachable universe

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Let's say you've got a relativistic starship, i.e. it can go very close to the speed of light but not faster than light. You point it "out there" and floor the accelerator, moving further and further from Earth, sending telemetry back by radio continuously. The telemetry will become more redshifted as the ship speeds up by its own engine power, and also because of the expansion of the universe.

Is it possible for the ship to travel far enough that its proper distance from Earth is increasing faster than light, which means that telemetry being sent from then on can never reach Earth? I haven't been able to find an astronomy term for this, but basically the ship in a sense becomes topologically disconnected from Earth's region of space. Of course(?) since the ship moves slower than light in its local frame, even if it can somehow reverse direction, it can't become visible again.

Is there a name for this phenomenon? Observable universe mentions "reachable universe" which is related, but surprisingly there's no article about that. Thanks. ~2025-39358-87 (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added: cosmic event horizon is pretty close to what I mean. I'm asking if there is some obstacle to crossing it with a slower-than-light spaceship. ~2025-39358-87 (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think not. According to the mathematics of Special relativity, velocities cease to be fully additive (if I can put it that way – see Special relativity#Lorentz transformation of velocities) to a greater and greater degree as the speed of light c is more closely approached, such that c itself can never be reached, much less exceeded. Thus the ship will never appear to reach c from the point of view of Earth, and vice versa (although extreme redshift may make it unfeasible for either to continue detecting the other). ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:34, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If "reachable universe" means, "all parts of the universe that can be reached", then it is impossible, by definition, for a starship to reach a point in spacetime outside the reachable universe. Unless, of course, it uses a Heineken drive.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can probably reach a point from where you can no longer reach Earth, but this depends on the future rate of expansion of the universe, which is unknown. For two extremes, in a Big Crunch you will return to Earth, no matter how hard you try no to, and in a Big Rip there will be a time where your left hand goes out of reach of your right hand. PiusImpavidus (talk) 09:39, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thereby fulfilling the requirement of Matthew 6:3.  ​‑‑Lambiam 00:52, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lambiam, stuff leaves the reachable universe all the time, due to cosmic expansion, from what I understand. It looks like a point around 4GPc (gigaparsec) from here will be receding at close to c, so anything past that is unreachable. So a star that's barely reachable today could become unreachable tomorrow. PiusImpavidus's point about a Big Rip answers my question, I think. If the expansion of the universe is fast enough, stuff becomes unreachable without having to become terribly distant or fast. But with today's expansion rate, I guess it will take the starship > 13 billion years to get there, a long enough trip that unknowns might predominate. Thanks everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-39770-07 (talk) 12:24, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jens E. Matthiesen writes "An increasing number of galaxies become invisible to astronomers over time, because the universe is expanding. In the future, the light from distant stars will never reach us, so no matter how good our telescopes get, the universe will become ever darker." in "Why we will never see the end of the universe: space is expanding". I can imagine that some creatures on one side of that distant galaxy built a starship that took a few million years to slowly travel to the other side of that galaxy (perhaps at 0.01 c), at a time where if we're lucky (unlucky?) we on Earth may catch photons from the beginning of it's journey, but when the starship stops at it's destination, the photons signaling its arrival would never reach Earth. Since that starship can cross the cosmic event horizon, it seems plausible that a much faster starship should also be able to cross the cosmic event horizon. --DavidCary (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When stuff "leaves the reachable universe", and "all the time" at that, it is not a starship that we have built. Like each observer has their own observable universe, of which each one occupies its centre, so does each observer have their own reachable universe, a subset of spacetime that only shrinks as time goes by. Stuff may leave our reachable universe, but in doing so it remains in its own reachable universe.  ​‑‑Lambiam 01:02, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel a song coming on: "To reach the unreachable star. This is my quest." Clarityfiend (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clarityfiend, haha, that song needs a cosmology-based parody ;). Lambiam, that's what I'm getting at (or asking, or trying to confirm). Let's say point Y is within the reachable universe of point X at time T1 (I guess that means spacetime event (T1,X)). Starship leaves (T1,X) and eventually arrives at (T2,Y). On arrival, it sends a radio message M in the direction of point X. Question: are we sure that M can in principle reach X? Or can cosmic expansion mean that Y is now beyond X's cosmic event horizon and M could only reach X by travelling faster than light? I don't know what X's time coordinate would be in that picture. I don't understand relativity well enough.

I also don't see why the expanding universe is necessarily getting darker, if new stars can form in the newly expanded space. I've heard that mass and energy conservation happen because of Noether's theorem and symmetrics in the Lagrangian of stuff moving around in space. But if space is expanding, the symmetries don't hold in that context, so the conservation laws don't hold either, and energy (which eventually condenses into matter) can appear out of nowhere. Maybe the expanding universe really does get darker, but that seems like a nontrivial consequence of some messy calculation, rather than something obvious. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 03:53, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New stars can form, concentrating interstellar gas and dust into themselves, but although some of them eventually end in novae, returning some of that material to space, and a smaller number in supernovae returning a larger proportion of it, most do not and eventually cool into inert bodies, resulting in the long term in less material being available to form further new stars.
Any quantum fluctuations that may result in 'new energy' (see Vacuum energy) seem to do so in insignificant amounts compared to the existing matter and energy in the universe (as far as I know).
The net result is that as space expands and material crosses the boundary of the visible universe, that visible universe's matter-energy density falls, until eventually only the material in Galaxy clusters that are Gravitationally bound will remain visible to any observer within them.
This is assuming that the expansion always continues (though it may slow asymptotically) rather than stopping, or even reversing in a 'Big Crunch' scenario. Determining which of these possible outcomes is going to happen is a major goal of Cosmology. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 09:10, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Assume a photon can travel from A to B, where B is at the far extreme of what is reachable from A. Can a mirror at B send it back to A, or has A now become unreachable? A problem in discussing is, is that A and B do not share an inertial frame of reference. In the narrative, "A" and "B" do not stand for points in spacetime but for world lines. Take a view on the universe in which A and B are each other's mirror image in a spatial mirror symmetry. Let A0 be the point in spacetime where the photon commences its long journey to the (barely reachable) word line B, and let B0 be its mirror image. In this view, by symmetry, world line A is at the far extreme of reachability from spacetime point B0. By the time the photon reaches B, at say spacetime point B1, it is later at B than it is at B0. In the meantime, the ever-expanding universe has expanded further and the area of reachability has correspondingly shrunk, so, indeed, world line A is unreachable from B1. So don't hold your breath for an "I safely arrived" message.  ​‑‑Lambiam 14:55, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
if new stars can form in the newly expanded space
They can't unless matter eventually travels into that new space from elsewhere. Space expands only where it's essentially empty. And expanding space doesn't create new matter in the new space, just more space between already-existing matter. -- Avocado (talk) 15:45, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Simple percentage question

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Hi all, I can do a number of things, but maths isn't one of my strong points. Could someone please check my answer?

If an engine produces 320 PS (metric horsepower), and is fitted with lower compression pistons to reduce its output to 265 PS, what is the power loss expressed as a percentage? I make it around 17.2%, thus:

265 / 320 = 0.828125
1 - 0.828125 = 0.171875
0.171875 x 100 = 17.1875 or about 17.2%.

Is this right? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant, thanks. MinorProphet (talk) 09:35, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Another way to think about it (and the way that I would have done it) is:
320-265 = 55 (power loss of 55 PS)
55/320 = 0.171875 (ratio of loss to original value)
And then, as you did above, multiply by 100 to get the percent. -- Avocado (talk) 12:59, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! Reduction of number of steps by 33.3%! Can I accuse you of sounding like a C [etc.] programmer? Or a bash aficionado/aficionada? Hmmm, Avocada? MinorProphet (talk)
Lol! I'm a programmer, but haven't touched C in... well, longer than I've had this account. Fwiw, I do think it's the same number of steps (I omitted the decimal to percent conversion step that you'd already done above). I just find it easier to reason about this way around. -- Avocado (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since the engine performance was deliberately changed the calculated quantity is more correctly a 17.2% reduction than a loss. ~2025-32374-12 (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, its wasn't the engine manufacturer's choice: it was foisted upon them. See my draft User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/Engine power which attempts to make sense of this restriction.
But if maximum performance is the aim, shurely some fiend of entropy must enter stage left, unbidden. MinorProphet (talk)
SFX: < Offstage trumpets, ff >
Nevertheless, if there were one and only one way to do anything and everything, there would be no need for the hallowed halls of the Ref Desks at all. :> MinorProphet (talk) 19:00, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Taking the current US president as my shining example, when I come to power I will decree that henceforth there will be one and only one way to do anything and everything, viz. the way I decree. Anyone who complains, objects, or refuses to comply, will be shot as a traitor. What could be simpler, fairer, or more patriotic than that? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:51, 10 December 2025 (UTC) [reply]
I understood the OP's phrasing "is fitted with lower compression pistons [in order] to reduce its output" to imply a conscious deliberate choice was made. An irreversible increase in entropy, meaning that energy in work-capable form is reduced, occurs in both versions of the combustion engine and more so in the less efficient version that must dissipate more of the fuel energy as heat. ~2025-32374-12 (talk) 20:14, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what "lower compression pistons" are and how they work. Is more fuel consumed for the same amount of work, or is fuel consumption reduced, thereby reducing power?  ​‑‑Lambiam 00:22, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm going to be busy for several days. Check out lowering the compression ratio of an engine, e.g. if you're intending to fit a turbo. Dished pistons, etc. The piston doesn't even have to rise to the top of the bore at top dead center. In my case it's about coping with a reduced octane rating as a wartime measure. Engines with high compression ratios need a high octane rating to avoid 'knock', and there are various ways to reduce the compression ratio in a cylinder. For example milling out the 'bowl' in the piston crown, fitting shorter conrods etc., fitting thicker head gaskets, increasing the size of the combustion chamber in the cylinder head. These are relatively drastic measures. Sleep beckons... MinorProphet (talk) 04:18, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Small question about TOI-700 additional planets

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The HZ (habitable zone) of the star TOI-700 seems to be occupied only near the inner edge by two known planets "d" and "e". This leaves space in the HZ for any additional planets, which might include Earth-like planets. Where is the region of stability (in terms of semi-major axis/ AU) for these planets, so that their mass does not perturb the orbits of four known planets around TOI-700? (Assuming these hypothetical planets are Earth-like in mass)SoojinHD219134star (talk) 15:59, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure that anybody has done such calculations. Ruslik_Zero 20:04, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Only 20 percent of people ever have indigestion

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The page Indigestion says "Indigestion is relatively common, affecting 20% of people at some point during their life". Is that really true? I thought everyone got it occasionally. ~2025-39925-85 (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The key question would be whether the alleged sources of that statement elaborate as to "how they know that". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots00:17, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article cites two sources, referenced with [1] and [5].
The first ([1]) states,
At some point in their lives, one in five adults report epigastric pain, early satiety, postprandial distress, and other associated upper gastrointestinal symptoms, such as heartburn, regurgitation, or nausea. Although dyspepsia is not associated with higher mortality risk,2 3 ...
The cited sources 2 and 3 are of longitudinal studies. It appears that the statements are supported by at least two solid studies.
The second ([5]) states:
Dyspeptic symptoms are very common in the general population, affecting an estimated 20% of persons in the United States.1
The cited source is:
1 Heading RC. Prevalence of upper gastrointestinal symptoms in the general population: a systematic review. Scand J Gastroenterol Suppl. 1999;231:3–8.
I have not further examined the sources of this review, but it was published more than a decade before the above 2 and 3, so it must be based on yet more studies.
One caveat is that the percentage may not reflect a global situation. Study 2 concerns the UK, while 3 and the review article concern the US, both part of the affluent West with similar food habits. Also, the wording of the article citing the review study seems to suggest that the 20% estimate applies synchronically, rather than "at some point during their life", which would be the case for a higher fraction of people.  ​‑‑Lambiam 00:46, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't dyspepsia only a subset of types of indigestion? -- Avocado (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It strikes me that the wording ". . . one in five adults report epigastric pain . . . [my emphasis]" is significant.
I suspect that many or most people who experience indigestion do not 'report' it to a physician or anyone else, but (like myself) either endure it silently, or purchase non-prescription remedies, or use home remedies. A well-conducted survey of the general population asking if people had ever suffered indigestion would likely return a much larger figure than 20%. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 14:51, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose that the cited studies used questionnaires with such questions like, How often do you experience a burning sensation behind your breastbone? □ Almost never | □ Sometimes | □ Regularly | □ Often.  ​‑‑Lambiam 22:03, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have supposed that they didn't, you have supposed that they did. Anyone else care to settle the matter? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.1095} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 09:13, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You questioned the significance of the quoted statement, since the "one in five" statistic becomes meaningless if based on contemporaneous reporting of the complaint to a physician, under the somewhat unlikely assumption that such a statistic can be compiled from the records of consulted physicians. If you desire to delve deeper into the matter, here is a link to an open-source version of one of the cited studies:
3: "Impact of Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders on Survival in the Community".
 ​‑‑Lambiam 11:45, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Molecular structure of hydroxyapatite Ca10(PO4)6(OH)2 in tooth enamel

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I wish to illustrate how fluoride ions replace hydroxyl ones in water fluoridation. I've found two different structural formulae of hydroxyapatite, Ca10(PO4)6(OH)2 on https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Molecular-Structure-of-Hydroxyapatite-Ca10PO46OH2-Created-by-ChemSketch_fig3_380182120 and https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Chemical-structure-of-hydroxyapatite-Ca-10-PO-4-6-OH-2_fig8_47933950 – which, if either, is the one in tooth enamel?

Thanks, cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 01:46, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the diagrams in https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47933950 are far too simplified and does not even have the hydroxy included. The figure in https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380182120 shows how the phosphate arranges itself around one calcium ion, and does show hydroxy groups, but does not indicate the 3D structure. But you should be able to use the latter to see the substitution of OH with F. Both these anions are similar in size and charge. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:58, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 
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@Graeme Bartlett: Thanks for your reply. After drawing a diagram based on https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Molecular-Structure-of-Hydroxyapatite-Ca10PO46OH2-Created-by-ChemSketch_fig3_380182120 and tidying the angles as on the right, I found that two of the PO4 are replaced by PO4H2 giving Ca10(PO4)4(PO4H2)2 instead. Where did I go wrong? cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 16:08, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Why does the middle Ca2+ have 6 bonds but outer ones have two each? cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 16:10, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The structure is infinite and three dimensional, so a diagram just can represent only part of the structure, perhaps just the elements in the formula. It also has to squash it to 2 dimensions. Your diagram is missing the charge on the phosphate, and the hydroxy ions. The diagram here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265731261_Synthesis_of_Hydroxyapatite_from_Oyster_Shell_via_Precipitation/figures?lo=1 attempts to show it in 3D. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:46, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Graeme Bartlett. I'll trace the unit cell in the link.
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cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 12:34, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmic expansion again

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If my calculation is right, from the constants given in Expansion of the universe, the distance from the earth to the moon increases by about 3cm per year from pure cosmic expansion, ignoring more local effects.

Can that be observed and measured, using those laser reflectors on the moon? Lunar distance doesn't mention this. It says the distance is increasing by about 1.5 inches per year, and Lunar Laser Ranging experiments mentions relativistic effects but says nothing about cosmic expansion. Any idea? Thanks. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion of the universe only applies to gravitationally unbound features of the universe, and the moon is definitely gravitationally bound to the Earth. --~2025-40278-75 (talk) 06:20, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mrs. Singer is right, "Brooklyn is not expanding."[12]  ​‑‑Lambiam 11:16, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Local Group is (mostly) gravitationally bound together. Does this imply that the group (and every galaxy/star/solar system/moon within it) is not expanding with the expansion of the universe, but that galaxies not gravitationally bound to the group will be receding from the group due to universal expansion? -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:27, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. See the first paragraph of the lede of Expansion of the universe. Whether or not any or all galaxies in the larger Local Sheet, the still larger Local Volume, the even larger Virgo Supercluster, the yet larger Laniakea Supercluster, etc., are also ultimately gravitationally bound is, I think, still undetermined, though recent analysis suggest the Laniakea Supercluster isn't. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Gravitationally bound" seems a fuzzy concept. Won't a bound cluster eject some massive object every few quintillion years or so, thereby at the same time reducing its gravitational binding force (see Future of an expanding universe § Stellar remnants escape galaxies or fall into black holes)? If the fate of the universe is a big RIP, Alvy was right all along.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:16, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Zero-velocity surface § Galaxy clusters has an explanation. If only I understood it... -- Verbarson  talkedits 13:12, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we set the cosmological constant to 0, then the cosmic expansion only means two objects at a distance are moving apart with a speed depending on the distance (proportional, Hubble's constant   is the proportionality constant). So if this was the case at some point between Earth and Moon, then this just makes the orbit of Moon around the Earth slightly different from what it had been. It doesn't add orbital energy. So I guess that the calculation yields the same order of magnitude as the measured value (explainable by tides) is coincidence.
For the general problem, consider the escape velocity at some distance   from a mass  :
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Compare this with the Hubble velocity between the mass   and a test particle at distance  :
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Solving for the mass/distance relation where these are equal we get
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or
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We have  . For 1 million light years, I get
  19 billion solar masses (smaller than our galaxy by at least a factor of 10).
If the mass is above that, to a first approximation, no stars at this distance will escape. Though there is gravitational slingshot etc as mentioned by others.
Now, if we consider instead a cosmological constant, we can approximately say the universe expands exponentially, with a scale factor  , where   is some constant, about   seconds per second or so (see cosmological constant, ΛCDM model).
In this scenario we can have two equal masses staying at constant distance as they balance the accelerated cosmic expansion with the gravitational attraction.
We have as acceleration the second derivative of the scale factor at 0, with the scale factor set to the distance, and on the other hand Newtonian gravity (good enough here):
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Then, we get
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For the 1 million light year example, we need two masses of about   kg each, still smaller than our galaxy.
For the Earth-Moon example, we'd need two masses at say 400000 km distance, each about 10 kg.
Icek~enwiki (talk) 18:11, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I know that last example didn't answer the question. But the cosmological constant should add an additional centripetal force, so for circular orbits it only should change the relation between distance and the time of an orbit (slightly). It would be more interesting what it does to elliptical orbits. Icek~enwiki (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that explanation is very interesting, thanks. (This is OP). I didn't realize the part about gravitational binding meaning that the gravitational attraction counterbalanced cosmic expansion. It sounds like it means that even in bound systems, gravity would seem a bit less strong than it would without the expansion. ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 08:10, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That gravity would seem a bit less strong is the case only for nonzero cosmological constant. As observable effect, there should be a resulting perihelion precession, as the effective potential has approximately an extra term quadratic in the distance. Icek~enwiki (talk) 21:44, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Margie Profet

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Margie Profet did some novel evolutionary biology work in the 1980s and 90s, won a MacArthur fellowship, and then disappeared while suffering mental health issues. She was reuinited with her family around 7 years later. Does anyone know if she has been involved in scientific or academic work since then? Not asking about her personal life or anything not public. Her story reminds me somewhat of John Forbes Nash's. She even changed subjects to mathematics after winning the MacArthur. Thanks. (Added: web searches that I tried didn't find much). ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 08:05, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I found is that she filed for a patent in 2016, which was granted in 2017.[13]
I can't find the text of her 1988 publication in the defunct journal Evolutionary Theory, but several of her publications, from 1990 to 1993, give her affiliation as Division of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of California, Berkeley. I do not find this affiliation reflected in the current version of the article, which instead suggests that Profet was outside of academia between her 1985 bachelor's degree and her return to school in 1994. The article in Psychology Today writes, "Amazed, the professor [Bruce Ames, up to 1989 Chairman of the Division of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology[14]] hired Profet—who had degrees in physics and philosophy but no biology background—for a position more fitting her interests." It does not give a date, though, so this could have been any time from 1985 to 1989. The 1994 interview in Omni has, "Beginning in the mid Eighties", and "Bruce Ames ... read her allergy paper and offered her a part-time research job in his lab", not making clear which paper this is. It also states that Profet gave herself a sabbatical, a few months after getting the MacArthur. This is enough to source that she had a (part-time) job in the lab, but insufficient to give a clear time bracket.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:41, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, nice job finding the patent, so at least she returned to some kind of activity after re-appearing. That's interesting about the 1988 pregnancy sickness paper being hard to find online, since it's cited a fair amount. I looked for it too and found only [15] which says it's collected in a book about evolutionary psychology which might be easier to get hold of. There also are libraries with back issues of the printed journal. I don't feel likely to chase it down since I'm not particularly studying that topic. WP:RX might be able to furnish a copy though, if someone wants it. ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The 1988 paper I referred to is:
Profet, Margie (1988). "The Evolution of Pregnancy Sickness as Protection to the Embryo Against Pleistocene Teratogens". Evolutionary Theory. 8: 177–190.
The 1992 book The Adapted Mind: Evolutionary Psychology and the Generation of Culture contains a much cited 40-page chapter by Profet , titled "Pregnancy Sickness as Adaptation: A Deterrent to Maternal Ingestion of Teratogens". This contribution may be called an extended version of her 14-page 1988 article, but it is not the same article. In the Acknowledgements section she writes: "This paper was completed in July 1989 and updated in March 1991." The Contributors pages of this book list her with the UCB affiliation. It is quite plausible that Profet had been hired before she made the extensive expansion completed in July 1989, but this is based on inference from indirect evidence, and even then we still don't know the year in which she was hired with any degree of certainty.
It remains unclear what the "allergy paper" is that impressed Ames so much that he hired her, despite a lack of academic background in biology (and, one may assume, biochemistry and toxicology). In the introduction of the Omni interview, it is described thus: "An early article explores how allergies shield us from toxins in plants and venoms." Was this the 1988 paper?  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:24, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of alpine snails

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Hello all, does anyone know where I could find a website, directory, publication, book listing Alpine/high-elevation snail species? When searching for the terms I find scattered records, but I'd like a more comprehensive source... Barbalalaika 🐌 22:19, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are these species likely to be part of an identified clade - or is it merely descriptive? If it's a specific group of snails then Wikispecies may be helpful to you. If alpine just refers to any old snail above a certain altitude that link is less helpful; I didn't immediately see anything on their bibliography list that seemed germane. It certainly seems like marine species are more comprehensively covered when it comes to snails. Matt Deres (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've got this mental picture of the world's slowest slalom. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:23, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's merely descriptive, or rather related to the species' elevation of occurrence. Not a group, still grateful for your help! I got great guidance in the comment below yours too :) Barbalalaika 🐌 18:40, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A good approach would be to look at works on the mollusc species of Switzerland:
Turner et al. (1998) Atlas Der Mollusken Der Schweiz Und Liechtensteins. Centre suisse de cartographie de la faune
Boschi, C. (2011) Die Schneckenfauna der Schweiz. Bern: Haupt Verlag.
Not all the species listed are alpine, but there is the information on altitudinal range included for you to filter them out.
For a species list you can also use the following, but there is no information on altitudes:
Rüetschi J. et al. 2012: Rote Liste Weichtiere (Schnecken und Muscheln). Gefährdete Arten der Schweiz, Stand 2010. Bundesamt für Umwelt, Bern, und Schweizer Zentrum für die Kartografie der Fauna, Neuenbu. Umwelt-Vollzug Nr. 1216. Available as free download.
There are some species that occur in the Alps but not in Switzerland. For those you would need to look at a book covering the whole of Europe, perhaps most conveniently:
Kerney, M.P, Cameron, R.A.D. & Jungbluth, J.H. (1983) Die Landschnecken Nord- und Mitteleuropas. Hamburg: Parey.
More up-to-date, but covering a wider area, so harder work to filter, is:
Welter-Schultes F. W. (2012) European non-marine molluscs, a guide for species identification. Göttingen: Planet Poster Editions.
Both the latter two works have crude maps, which would help you select the Alpine species. JMCHutchinson (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

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Distance between Tropic Seamount and the African coast

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An IP/temporary account added an unsourced value in this edit, I think we can keep it but I need a source for such a claim. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:53, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mathematics

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December 6

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prime divisors of 2^(n+1) choose 2^n, also known as C(2^(n+1),2^n)

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when n=13, wolfram alpha says there are 1293 prime distinct prime divisors of N=C(16384,8192). According to the OEIS, the number of primes less than 16384 is 1900, and the number of primes less than 8192 is 1028. So there are 607 primes less than 16384 that don't divide N. But it's known that all primes between 8192 and 16384 will divide N. So the 607 missing primes are from the 1028 primes less than 8192. Now, 1028/(1028-607) is about 2.45. This ratio has been inching upward from smaller values of n. As n->oo, does the ratio go to e~2.71828182846? Rich (talk) 21:46, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Determining whether a given prime p divides C(m,n) is not too hard: Write out m and n base p, then p|C(m,n) iff each digit in the expression for m is ≥ the corresponding digit in the expression for n. For example does 11 divide C(16384,8192)? 16384 base 11 is 1134511 and 8192 base 11 is 617811. In the last digit, 8>5 so 11 divides C(16384,8192). The smallest prime that does not divide C(16384,8192) is 61. Note that if p is between 8192 and 16384 then 8192 base p is the single digit 8192 and 16384 base p is 1,16384-p, and 8192>16384-p so p will divide C(16384,8192). On the other hand, if p is between 16384/3 and 8192 then p does not divide C(16384,8192).
I think finding the limit as P→∞ of the proportion of p's < 2P where p divides C(2P,P) would be difficult. You could start with π(2P)-π(P) as first approximation for the number of primes, where π is the Prime-counting function. But you're interested in the relative error of this approximation. You could get additional terms for a better approximation by ignoring primes < √2P (assuming π(√(2P)) is small compared to π(2P)), and looking at the first digit of 2P base p. Then p is included if this digit is odd and excluded if it's even. We then get an alternating series
S = π(2P)-π(2P/2)+π(2P/3)-π(2P/4)+π(2P/5)-π(2P/6)...
and would like the limit of S/π(2P). But I don't know enough about the asymptotics of π to answer this. In any case, I'd be very surprised if the limit is something nice like e. There are many numbers > 2.45, and there are functions that increase very slowly but which don't converge to a limit at all. --RDBury (talk) 10:16, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's actually Pi(2^n)/(primes less than 2^n that divide C(2^(n+1),2^n)) that I'm interested in.Rich (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right, if you know the one you can determine the other. The main point is the alternating series approximating the number of primes dividing C(2P,P); here P is 2n. RDBury (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
thank youRich (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Need for a kind of discrete integral

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I need a kind of discrete integral, with a sum that progresses in finite steps like in a computer language , whereas an integral progress in infinitesimal steps.
So I have 2 functions:
 
and  
I would like to replace the following integral:
 
By the following summation:
 
I suppose I can also write it theoretically:
 
Therefore, I get a summ, not of infinitesimal areas, but of finite areas.
Does this conform to discrete mathematics, or is there a different notation and if so, what is it?
Malypaet (talk) 23:11, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this essentially the question you asked on 20 October with a follow-up on 22 October?
It seems that what you want to do is a crude form of numerical integration; see in particular Numerical integration § Quadrature rules based on step functions. This corresponds to the paragraph in my response of 22 October that starts with "A (not very sophisticated) way to compute an approximation of  ", especially the part where I give the formula for when all segments are given equal width.  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:42, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but your answers don't satisfy me, because I'm studying a case where the step size is finite and cannot correspond to an integral, where the step size is infinitesimal and applicable neither experimentally nor in computer calculations.
Therefore, I'm not looking for an approximate solution based on an integral, but rather a summation of steps of finite size, regardless of whether the number of steps is finite or infinite.
So I'm looking for a formulation based on summation, respecting mathematical notation in terms of function summation.
My question is whether my proposal is acceptable or needs to be modified to comply with the mathematical rules for summation of functions.
Malypaet (talk) 14:55, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have you looked at Summation § Capital-sigma notation?
If you'd write the sum as   using an ellipsis, the capital-sigma notation is   So, the other way around,
 
BTW, it is somewhat unusual to use the notation   for a variable. A more common use is that it is shorthand for a difference between two changeable quantities, as in   For a variable used for a stepwise change, as here, the letter   is conventionally used.
Given the definition   the above sum comes out as
 
If that is what you want, it is what you get.  ​‑‑Lambiam 17:55, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link, it's interesting. But unfortunately, Wikipedia often refers back to integrals.
I found a more relevant explanation elsewhere: Discrete Calculus
So my formula actually corresponds to a discrete integral.
And you are right, it is what I want and get.
However, regarding the unusual use of  , my need is ambiguous.
Actually, I'm using it as a parameter, that is, a constant whose value changes depending on the context:
i.e. the function's domain.
But I don't yet know how to introduce this uncommon usage in my text.
Have you an idea ?
Malypaet (talk) 18:32, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is indefinite sum relevant (to the original question)? catslash (talk) 18:44, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but no.
My needs are definitely for discrete integrals.
I use the symbol   before a letter to indicate a parameter with a constant value as a step size value, and linked to a domain of a function. This value may vary depending of the domain.
Whereas in indefinite sum you have the   operator, that I discover here, and it cover another subject.
Thanks again for your help.
Malypaet (talk) 22:12, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have an article Discrete calculus that gives a formula for a Riemann sum (essentially the same as a formula I have given before and have referred to above). Does this help? If not, why not? What is it that you need that these formulas do not provide?  ​‑‑Lambiam 04:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If What I write could be a Midpoint rule Rieman summ in this form:
 
or
 
Where   is a constant parameter,  ,  ,
 , and   (These last two values ​​are unknown).
I suppose that   is a function of i.
Not completely sure of my notations,   may be better ?
Or do you have any corrections to suggest?
Malypaet (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mathematical notation is a matter of convention, not of rules chiseled in stone. Some of these conventions are more common than others. The advantage of following common conventions, where they exist, is that others (if they are familiar with mathematical notation) will more readily understand the message. Otherwise, if you create your own notation and conventions, you need to explain them if you want to be understood. Writing   and   for the summation bounds instead of using more conventional variable names is unlikely to be helpful.
If you cut up the interval   into   equal intervals of width   the closed form of the  -th interval, counting from   up to   is equal to   Check that   corresponds to   and   corresponds to   If you wish, use   instead of   but   is shorter and easier to write.
Using   to stand for the midpoint of the  -th interval, we have   Summing the function values at these   midpoints, weighted by the length of the interval, can then be written as
 
 ​‑‑Lambiam 01:29, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your advice, I think I now have all the elements to develop my study, both original and as close as possible to the conventions.
Malypaet (talk) 18:38, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But,   can also be a shortland for a recurring difference between two variable quantities,  - :
  Malypaet (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Assistance please

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Hey everyone. I would like help with this math problem:

Evaluate the definite integral

 

Is the answer supposed to be simplified to a single logarithm, or is 24/5 (ln 8 − ln 3) also acceptable? Thanks. ExtraTerrestrial120 (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a question for your instructor. There are no general rules in mathematics about what form of an answer is "acceptable". However some instructors do make such rules, I suppose to make grading easier. --Trovatore (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This answer cannot be correct. The integrand function is descending on the interval   and therefore reaches its minimum for   There, the integrand equals   So we know that the value of the integral exceeds   But the numerical value of   is less than  
Getting the right form for the final answer may be less important than showing how you got there. If your approach is right, but you make a small error and get an incorrect result, some instructors will still award points for getting the approach right.  ​‑‑Lambiam 21:50, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW I get an approximate value of 14.44, so you can check your answer. You're probably expected to give an exact expression though. If I were grading I wouldn't expect a single log unless it was asked for, but I would, of course, take off points if the answer is wrong. Partial credit if you show work and use a correct method. --RDBury (talk) 17:19, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright thank you ExtraTerrestrial120 (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Is each d in dx/dt italicised?

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CC commons:File:Time_derivatives_of_position.svg updater @MartinVitVavrik:

Derivative#Rules_for_basic_functions italicises them but not e.g. Fourth,_fifth,_and_sixth_derivatives_of_position#Fourth_derivative_(snap/jounce). Thanks, cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 03:08, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cmglee: I guess it might not be as clear-cut as I thought, to quote Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics#Roman versus italic:

Some authors prefer to use an upright (Roman) font for operators, as in d, for the differential operator, as opposed to d for a variable. Upright fonts are sometimes used for standard, nearly universal constants, as in i, e, and π; other authors use Roman boldface, as in i. Changes from one style to another should be done only to make an article consistent with itself. Formatting changes should not be made solely to make articles consistent with each other, nor to make articles conform to a particular style guide or standards body. It is inappropriate for an editor to go through articles doing mass changes from one style to another. When there is dispute over the correct style to use, follow the same principles as MOS:STYLERET.

By the way, I also edited the Fourth,_fifth,_and_sixth_derivatives_of_position page so that it looks the same as (now I notice only parts) of Jerk (physics). MartinVitVavrik (talk) 03:23, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cmglee: This seems to be in accordancee with ISO 80000-2:

An explicitly defined function not depending on the context is, however, printed in upright type, e.g. sin, exp, ln, Γ. Mathematical constants, the values of which never change, are printed in upright type, e.g. e = 2,718 281 828 …; π = 3,141 592 …; i2 = −1. Well-defined operators are also printed in upright type, e.g. div, δ in δx and each d in df/dx. Some transforms use special capital letters (see Clause 19, Transforms).

MartinVitVavrik (talk) 03:40, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cmglee: You will encounter adherence to this ISO standard in articles in scientific journals dealing with the natural sciences. Mathematicians who do not deal with the mathematical modeling of systems involving physical quantities pay no heed to ISO standards and traditionally use an italic type letter  , as well as italics for constants, like   (for Euler's number), italic Greek letters   and   (for Euler's constant), and also   for the imaginary unit – but roman type for the names of standard functions. So you will see, traditionally,
 
My recommendation is to follow the practice of established current-day sources. So, when dealing with, specifically, mathematical models of physical systems for which sources tend to follow this ISO standard, copy their practice. Otherwise – which will be most cases – stick to the more traditional conventions.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:08, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, all. According to http://matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/14919 , ISO 80000-2 is controversial: specific to the issue at hand, it also advocates for upright e and i, contrary to most sources. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 13:28, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

banach space operators, possibly imbecilic question

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In Invariant subspace problem, polynomials in an operator T, p(T), are briefly mentioned. Although operators often don't commute, could (possibly noncommutative) polynomials p(S,T) in two operators acting as variables be considered?Rich (talk) 04:18, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Humanities

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December 3

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Erwin Rommel

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Cover of "La Anarquia explicada a los niños"

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The booklet "La Anarquia explicada a los niños" ("Anarchism explained to the children") was published in 1931 by Max Bembo (a pseudonym of José Ruíz Rodríguez, aka Emmanuel José Antonio). Archive dot org has a copy of an undated later edition here, with a cover picture which is not attributed. There's a sticker in the corner saying "1959", but idk whether that's the date of the printing, or the edition, or the picture.

Can anyone tell me who drew the picture, or its date? I'd like to know whether it's under copyright. Marnanel (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The book was published in 1931, and the cover of the re-issue is undoubtedly a faithful reproduction of the original cover, so the image, which looks to me like linocut but was perhaps a line drawing in a style suggestive of woodcut or linocut, was almost certainly created in 1931 or perhaps late 1930. It is signed "R. Pujol P.", which possibly (or even probably) stands for "Ramón Pugol Pinxit". This could be the artist Ramón Pugol (1907–1981), but this is a rather common Catalan name, and I see no other work attributed to this Pujol in a similar style.  ​‑‑Lambiam 21:12, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian biosecurity officers

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Ultimately, what government ministry oversees the biosecurity officers at international airports? Are they part of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry or Health, Disability and Ageing, or are they somehow answerable to both, or perhaps part of the Border Force? Unfortunately the Biosecurity in Australia article doesn't address this question, and https://www.biosecurity.gov.au/about — a website operated by Agriculture etc. — doesn't either. It's been a while since I travelled internationally, so I can't remember their uniforms. Nyttend (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be a split responsibility. The current Administrative Arrangements Order, dated 13 May 2025, lists "Biosecurity, in relation to animals and plants" as the responsibility of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, and "Biosecurity, in relation to human health" as the responsibility of the Department of Health, Disability and Ageing. How that actually works at the coalface, I do not know. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:01, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd guess (following a breadcrumb trail from former agencies and departments) it would be the Department of Home Affairs. It would be handy though if someone who's actually crossed the Australian border has any documentation they picked up at the time. Daveosaurus (talk) 23:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A quick Google suggests that the Depatment of Agriculture sets the standards [16], but the Border Force does the enforcement [17]. Anecdotally, Border Security: Australia's Front Line is shown on British daytime TV and I recall seeing Border Force officers confiscating packages of strange SE Asian medicine from tearful travellers. Alansplodge (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alansplodge, your last comment reminds me of an interaction with biosecurity a couple of years ago — I had been in the US and bought some spices not available here (still in unopened McCormick packaging from Wal-Mart), and I declared it. The officers were a bit bored (I was the only person in the queue), so when I told the officers that I wasn't sure of its status, they began chatting; at one point they said basically "it's obviously not alive, and we can tell that it's a normal commercial product, so it's fine, but we have so many people who bring bags of unidentified powdered substances". Nyttend (talk) 02:26, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Living sainthood

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(blacklisted link: www.change.org/p/nominate-sam-altman-as-a-living-saint ) Is there really such a thing as living sainthood? I thought saints had to be deceased before canonization. Living saint just redirects to saint. Thanks, ~2025-38367-99 (talk) 06:10, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Someone's either trying to funny or is deluded. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots06:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The image in the petition gives a hint which of the two applies. But if the product of delusion, it is even funnier.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:26, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Saint article mentions 'living saints' in two specific contexts, both out of Christianity – see the Buddhism and Islam sections there. --CiaPan (talk) 07:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it can be established that there is an ancient cult of veneration of the blessed Samuel, vicarious financial martyr through his sacrificial loss of Other People's Money, for which the nomination linked to provides some evidence, albeit only contemporary, the Pope might consider equivalent canonization.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But, as our Saint article notes, canonisation provides an official recognition of sainthood. Saints live among us; they're just not yet recognised by the Church, and most will never be. (The article did say "...in Heaven" further down, but I just removed this because it relied on a citation from Pope Francis which also says there are saints on earth.) Marnanel (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The website referred to by the OP can be read as bitter sarcasm. The proposal for a living sainthood is an ironic emphasis on the societal benefits (vs a potential dystopia) of Sam Altman´s involvement in AI. To "AI or not to AI" is a complex and controversial topic. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 09:41, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a cynical observation: If literate speakers of the English language can´t differentiate between a neutral declarative statement and satyrical hyperbole, we should do something to support NI (natural intelligence)... --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Methinks the reference desk does what it can, but if you have further-reaching ideas, let's hear them.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:27, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all. Yes I was particularly asking about the RCC or at least Christianity, since the petition proposes requesting the Pope to confer sainthood, iirc. Among non-Christian magesteria, I know that at least in the Church of Emacs, Saint IGNUcius is definitely still with us. For Altman, I hope that the dilemma is not resolved by the recent jump in DRAM prices resulting in Altman's martyrdom. But if that happens, then at least he would be able to become a saint in the, um, canonical manner. ~2025-38367-99 (talk) 01:36, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bell X-2 Speed Record

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The current article for the Bell X-2 research airplane states that test pilot Mel Apt was the first person to exceed Mach 3, doing so on September 27th 1956 moments before dying when the plane crashed. However, the article also states that, 20 days earlier, fellow test pilot Iven Kincheloe reached an altitude of 126,500 ft and a maximum speed of 2000 mph. That said, though, other sources I have read say Kincheloe's top speed was 1500 mph, but the FAI accepts the 2000 mph figure, as does the US Air Force Museum. If Kincheloe did indeed reach 2000 mph, given the speed of sound at 126,000 feet, is it possible that he, not Apt, ought to be credited as the first person to reach Mach 3? ~2025-38533-33 (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Search engine enquiries which yielded impressive looking calculations inform me that at this altitude Mach 1 is approximately 704 mph (thus Mach 3 = 2,112 mph), but also (of course) that the speed of sound in air is dependent on its temperature and density, both of which can vary. I presume that these factors may have been measured at the time, and that the researchers might have mentioned if Kincheloe had indeed attained Mach 3; however the above suggests that given average conditions, Kincheloe fell at least 5.6% short.
In the absence of a Reliable source commenting on the matter, the above of course qualifies as speculation and Original research, so has no place in the article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 20:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. That said, I've seen conflicting statements of exactly what Mach 1 at 126,000 ft is, with some placing it, as you do, at 704 mph but others placing it as low as 660 mph. I'll have to do more research into this, but until I do I'll refrain from changing anything in the article.
Thanks! ~2025-38533-33 (talk) 21:34, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An online dedicated "Speed of Sound Calculator", linked to from Speed of sound § External links, returns 719 mph, assuming a temperature of 2.9 °F. This would make 2000&mph equivalent to (almost) Mach 2.8.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:18, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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when did the press start using ww2 was it the invasion of Poland or 111118 DMc75771 (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The earliest cite in the OED Online is for 1919, when the Manchester Guardian used "World War No. 2" as a heading. (Obviously they were speculating about the future.) The next cite is from Time (magazine) in 1939, a week after the invasion of Poland: "Some of the diplomatic juggling which last week ended in World War II was old-fashioned international jockeying for power." --~2025-38436-32 (talk) 07:08, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well found. This seems important enough that I uploaded and transcribed the article.
 
Oddly enough, it wasn't speculating about the future: it was describing the social conditions after WW1 as a new kind of "war". Marnanel (talk) 15:04, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the term "Second World War" is official the British designation and follows established usage; there is no Boer War II or Anglo-Dutch War III. Alansplodge (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is almost the same question as "When did 'The Great War' become 'World War One'?" -- Verbarson  talkedits 13:43, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to become a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States?

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How does one become a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States? I know one has to graduate from law school and become a lawyer to be appointed as a judge by the President of the United States. Is there an age and citizenship requirement? Do justices get VIP treatment like bodyguards due to their high-ranking status? Are they considered very important persons due to them being high-ranking government officials? Are they considered to be celebrities? WJetChao (talk) 06:40, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Supreme Court is established by Article Three of the United States Constitution. As far as I can see it does not require any qualifications at all for who may sit on the court, not even age or citizenship, much less status as a lawyer. I do not know whether Congress has established any such qualifications by statute. I imagine that would be within their authority; this does not seem to be explicit in the article, but they do establish, for example, the number of justices. --Trovatore (talk) 06:58, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the procedure and requirements, see Nomination and confirmation to the Supreme Court of the United States.
VIP-hood is not a formal status; the level of deference with which the SCOTUS justices are treated is up to any hosting organization or similar. The US is somewhat peculiar in that many citizens can name all SCOTUS members. In most countries, the appointment of members of the highest national judicial court is not a news item. An overwhelming majority of people would not be able to name even a single member of this court and would also not recognize their names, and the members will not expect, in general, any special treatment beyond standard courtesy.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in the ANAP Ideology According to the Manifesto Project Database

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According to data from the Manifesto Project Database, the ANAP's election manifesto in the 1999 Turkish general election suddenly shifted sharply to the left compared to 1995 — to the point that it became more left-wing than established social-democratic parties such as the CHP and the DSP. Statistically, it jumped from being the second-most right-wing party to the most left-wing one.

This really surprised me, because in my impression the ANAP has always been a center-right party. So the question is: Did the ANAP actually undergo a major ideological shift during this period, or is there a problem with the Manifesto Project Database’s coding/methodology, or is something else going on? Ataled (talk) 11:53, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(ANAP refers to the Motherland Party (Turkey).  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:39, 5 December 2025 (UTC))[reply]
I've not looked at the Manifesto Project Database, but I suppose that any appearance of a shift to the left was an optical illusion designed to deceive the electorate. If so, it did not help. The government at the time was an ANAP-led coalition whose other members were the Democratic Left Party and the Democrat Turkey Party. ANAP lost 46 of its 132 parliamentary seats in the 1999 Turkish general election, a stunning defeat. To remain in the government after this defeat, they had to join again a coalition, now led by the Democratic Left Party but also containing the far-right Nationalist Movement Party (think Grey Wolves), which they did without qualms.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:00, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Names of Maria Yellow Horse Brave Heart

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What is the root of the names of Maria Yellow Horse Brave Heart? Brave Heart is used as her de facto family name in the article... but I don't assume that she was born into a family with this family name & has received the given names Maria, Yellow, and Horse?! --KnightMove (talk) 14:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? Dr Brave Heart is Lakota, and this is the way Lakota names work. You've probably heard of Sitting Bull or Crazy Horse. Marnanel (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but that does not help directly - even the less as those persons were far from having family names. Was she named Yellow Horse at first, Brave Heart later, or the other way round? Or otherwise? Who gave her the "White" name Maria then? --KnightMove (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Wikipedia should have an article on Native American naming customs, like we have on Roman naming conventions, Naming customs of Hispanic America and Naming conventions of the Tamilakam. Lacking this, here is an article titled "The Multifaceted Native American Naming Tradition".  ​‑‑Lambiam 22:09, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It appears she's still alive. Maybe the OP could write to her and ask. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:27, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like her profile has a phone number and email address for contact here aaronneallucas (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think I will bother her with this and just accept that it is unknown. As she, a bit inconsistently, treats either "Brave Heart" or "Yellow Horse Brave Heart" as her de facto family name, I will just accept that these are two Lakota names she has received at any stages in her life. --KnightMove (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's likely to be known to her. It comes down to how badly you want to know the answer? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots16:20, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mainly I wanted to know how to address her Name in the German counterpart of Braveheart (disambiguation). Being sure now that it's not her family name, I am satisfied. --KnightMove (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Big Mel Gibson fan? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:46, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did wonder if she was Scottish? HiLo48 (talk) 03:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

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What academic degree was a "Pd. B." awarded in Missouri, USA in 1904?

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A 1952 obituary (Newspapers.com link) mentions its subject Mr. Irion graduating with a "Pd. B." in 1904 from Southeast Missouri State College before getting an A.B. and B.S. in Education in 1911.

What is the full name for the academic degree "Pd. B."? It's not clear to me what degree that would be, issued before a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Science. Lovelano (talk) 04:51, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the answer, but FYI, you need a newspapers.com subscription to view that page. --Viennese Waltz 05:23, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably "Bachelor of Pedagogy", as mentioned on p.316 of this book [18] (p.118 of the pdf). --Viennese Waltz 05:30, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, Southeast Missouri was a Normal school in 1904. DuncanHill (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viennese Waltz Thanks for looking up that book! Lovelano (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

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Is this a fake poster? San Ferry Ann

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Our article San Ferry Ann is illustrated with an alleged poster for the film. The poster is sourced to IMDB. The poster is obviously an over-painting of the poster for Father Came Too. Is it a genuine poster or something someone made up one day and which ended up on the internet? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 01:10, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem highly suspicious. Wilfrid Brambell looks nothing like the obvious caricature of James Robertson Justice, and neither he nor David Lodge even have beards in the film. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's an explanation here on a collector's site; "A terrible mishmash of a poster where apparently the Australian poster artist had no original U.K. material of San Ferry Ann ( 1965 ) at hand to copy from". Abductive (reasoning) 10:49, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have websearched for the original poster art for San Ferry Ann without success. The British Film Institute archives website is currently experiencing technical difficulties. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 03:26, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks all. I take it the triangular "Passed for general exhibition" logo is Australian then? DuncanHill (talk) 14:40, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The classification was also British;[19] it appears to have been common in several regions of the realm. But the triangle logo appears to have been specifically Australian.[20] In fact, the Australian Classification Board uses a triangle to this day, but now with just a large 𝗚 as text.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:34, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I was familiar with the British use of "passed for general exhibition", but had never seen the triangle before. DuncanHill (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 8

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Did Masaniello paint his face black?

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There's a song by Pino Daniele called "Je so' pazzo" (covered by Neri per Caso) in which the singer is speaking as Masaniello. It implies that he painted his face black (I don't use the word "blackface" because that comes with a different cultural context).

Lyrics:

Je so' pazz, je so' pazz
Ma chi dice che Masaniell
Poi nero non sia più bell?
Non sono menomat
Sono pure diplomat
E la faccia nera l'ho dipinta per essere notat

But I can't find anything that says even that this happened, much less why. I tried asking Google Masaniello si dipinse la faccia di nero?, and the AI summary says yes, but when you go into the deep dive it says no. Did Daniele just invent this, or is it part of some folk account? --Trovatore (talk) 05:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not speak Italian but I have read that idiomatically, a black face in Italian may refer to a gloomy or disappointed or angry facial expression. Is that a possible explanation? Cullen328 (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 
Masianello is described as bruno di carnagione,[21] and the terracotta statue of Masaniello by Raffaele Vaccarella has indeed been given a rather dark complexion. Perhaps this plays a role.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:15, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Google isn’t always reliable. In fact, it can sometimes provide misleading answers. He-who-knows-everything (talk) 22:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"the AI summary says yes, but when you go into the deep dive it says no"—I think there is a lesson to be learned from that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:13, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A lesson about what? If you mean about AI summaries, sure, I already got that. If you mean about my question, I don't really see how. --Trovatore (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Those horrible health huts

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In the short story 'The Crown Derby Plate' by Marjorie Bowen, first published in 1933, Miss Pym is visiting a remote house on the edge of Fenland. The occupant is of an odd, unkept, and dirty appearance, and the house itself appears not be lived in. When Miss Pym asks "Where do you live, Miss Lefain?", she receives the reply "Mostly in the garden", and to this "Miss Pym thought of those horrible health huts that some people indulge in". What were those horrible health huts? Unfortunately Google is obsessed with 1950s California proto-hippies. Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 19:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also lots of village clinics in developing countries, but nothing pertinent I'm afraid. Alansplodge (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found a reference to a 1958 restaurant called the 'Health Hut' in The Origin of Hippie in Europe 1880 to 1940 by Anne Hill Fernie, which led me vaguely towards John Hargrave (misspelt as Hargreaves on the web page) and Kibbo Kift, which has a 'feel' of what you are looking for, and started in the UK in the early 1930s1920s. -- Verbarson  talkedits 09:21, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Almost all early uses (pre-1940) found are for simple health clinics, not for dwellings. An early use that may perhaps refer to a dwelling, in which case it does little to explain the notion, but might also refer to a health clinic, is in Appendix Volume III to a report by the Indian Famine Commission. The appendix bears the title Evidence of Witnesses from the Bombay Presidency taken before the India Famine Commission, 1898. The following is from page 226, reporting on good care taken of a poor woman whose hut had been flooded and who had to be evacuated with her child to "a place of safety":[22]
A few days later I came across them again in a health hut.
Since Bowen appears to have assumed her readers to be familiar with a notion of health huts as dwellings, it is curious that there are not many more uses.  ​‑‑Lambiam 10:14, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I got the impression she meant some kind of health fad, like monkey glands and radium. Fresh air was something of a cure-all for a time. DuncanHill (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Me too; perhaps what we would call a gym, for whirling Indian clubs and the like. I think Charles Darwin used a hut in his garden at Downe, for drenching himself with freezing water and other tactics to cure his lassitude and excessive flatulence. Johnbod (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not specifically relevant, but along the same lines, the Naturist movement in England got going in the 1920s. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.1905} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to refer to a kind of sanatorium or spa, but those typically heavily emphasized various water treatments (balneotherapy), leaving their victims patients anything but dirty or unkempt. Matt Deres (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

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King's Birthday in Western Australia

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King's Official Birthday#Australia notes that the King's Birthday has no fixed date in WA, being determined annually by a proclamation by the Governor. How far ahead of time is the proclamation typically made, and how easy is it to predict the date beforehand if you know the dates of school terms and the Perth Royal Show? I assume it's awkward for holidaymakers, calendar manufacturers, and the like, unless governments' date choices tend to be predictable; if they aren't, I can imagine allegations of corruption along the lines of Julian calendar#Motivation, second paragraph, but that seems very unlikely for a country like Australia. Nyttend (talk) 02:33, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The proclamation for the 2026 and 2027 occurrences of the "Celebration Day for the Anniversary of the Birthday of the Reigning Sovereign" was made in May 2024.[23] Hack (talk) 06:19, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Our article Michael Carver says "Carver's mother was related to Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington", citing Heathcote, Tony (1999). The British Field Marshals 1736–1997. Barnsley: Pen and Sword Books. p. 75. ISBN 0-85052-696-5., which says his mother was "proud of her distant connections with the family of the Duke of Wellington". She was born Winifred Anne Gabrielle Wellesley, the daughter of Courtenay Wellesley, of Dallas, Texas, one of the "ex-patriot [sic] employees of a British company called Texas Land & Mortgage". Our article Thomas Bayley Potter says that "Texas Land & Mortgage, a Scottish company managed by the Irish Courtenay Wellesley". The Guardian obituary of Lord Carver says he was descended from the Duke of Wellington through his mother. So, just what was, and how distant, the connexion? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 16:59, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the answer, but I do know a much more interesting connection: between Wellington and his Waterloo nemesis Napoleon.
In a comment on a blog post[24] I found this:
Courtenay Edward Wellesley was born in 1850, the son of Edward Wellesley, an army officer who died in the Crimea War. Major Wellesley was the second son of Richard Wellesley, the illegitimate son of the Marquis Wellesley, the elder brother of the first Duke of Wellington. There is a great deal of information on Courtney Wellesey's father and immediate relations in 'Letters of a Victorian army officer: Edward Wellesley 1840-1854' edited by Michael Carver, in fact Field Marshall Lord Carver, a grandson through Edward Courtenay Wellesley's second marriage to a lady called Nora Scovell.
 ​‑‑Lambiam 21:24, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lambiam: Thank you, The Guardian shewing its usual eye for detail then! @JackofOz:, that would make an even better pub quiz question than the only first-class cricketer to have won a Nobel Prize! DuncanHill (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

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Who was Blackwood's "M. S.-K."

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Pan's Garden by Algernon Blackwood is dedicated "To M. S.-K. who made with me these little paths across Pan's tangled garden". I can't see anyone in our article on Blackwood with those initials. Do we know who it was? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 17:28, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this, like several others of Blackwood's books, was dedicated to Maya Stuart-King, a married lady with whom he was "romantically involved". More details on her colourful life can be found here (p. 82). --Antiquary (talk) 18:09, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 21:29, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perception of Music

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Is experiencing music generally considered an example of qualia? I have no idea how others perceive anything from before Bach to after Rosalia, but whenever I am listening to complex compositions, I see (not at all clearly) some biomorph 3D geometric forms which are shape-shifting, subject to some symphonic / instrumental metamorphosis. Remotely similar to an animated Frank Gehry building floating in the sky, bubbling and pulsating.

Googling gives some prolix psychological papers, but I find no clear definitions to what entails auditory perception. Neither am I sure if my spatial perception actually exists or is just a bit of imaginative hallucination; I do extensive work in 3D modelling and have great interest in the visual arts, from painting to architecture to cinematography, so I am possibly just "transcribing" my cerebral emotive (?) response to a language I am familiar with.

Thanks to anybody responding to this query. Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some information in synesthesia and a website called The Synesthesia Tree. Alansplodge (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because of the "other minds problem", we cannot know whether anyone other than ourselves has a subjective, conscious experience – whatever that may mean. The philosophers who write about qualia rarely (or perhaps never) mention the experiencing of, specifically, music, as a quale. But timbre is often described as "colour", which in its visual sense is the poster child of the qualia posse, and few people will disagree with the statement that experiencing music can be a subjective conscious experience, one that is very different for music by one's favorite artist or composer than for some other compositions, which one may even strongly dislike. As such it fits the definition.
Your synesthetic experience, which I think is fairly rare in this specific form, is unrelated to the initial question. (It may be related to what the The Synesthesia Tree labels as "timbre–shape".) It seems to me that it wouldn't qualify as an emotive response. For most people, auditory perception has no visual aspect, and any spatial aspect is restricted to where the sound is coming from, relative to the subject.  ​‑‑Lambiam 01:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are people whose perception of music includes visions of colours, in a fairly consistent way – see Chromesthesia. At least two active music reviewers on YouTube mention this, and it adds to their appreciation and understanding of the relationships of keys and harmonies in a piece. The French composer Olivier Messiaen used his synesthesic mental colour perceptions as part of his composing technique and mentioned the colours in his written scores, and the Russian Alexander Scriabin constructed a colour-light accompaniment to his symphony Prometheus.
Your experience seems along the same lines, and I suspect is not particularly uncommon, but simply something that people do not often talk about. I myself (to be anecdotal) do not have marked synesthesia, but certain types of music evoke mental images to me, typically of natural landscapes, and especially when I am drowsy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 06:53, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect you mean Rosalía. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:09, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oops and Thank you! Sorry, I did not verify the link when typing... --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 19:55, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM: I'm fairly sure that synaesthesia applies in this case to composers like Messiaen, Scriabin and Rachmaninoff, who associated musical keys with specific colours; eg B flat major = purple. Sadly, they all had different conceptions of which keys matched which hue. Do you visualise consistent geometric forms, e.g. according to the key such as E flat major vs C sharp minor, type of music eg violin concerto vs piano concerto, or late romantic symphony vs lute sonata? Can you hold them in mind, or do they inavariably morph into some other shape? MinorProphet (talk) 14:50, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

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publicly traded company

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There's a company XYZ traded on NASDAQ whose stock went down the toilet over the past couple of years. It's now a penny stock if I'm using the term correctly. Its main product is basically crap and nobody buys it, competitors' stuff is better and cheaper, and now the product itself might be dangerous enough (design defect) to warrant a recall that the company probably can't afford. On the other hand, the company is making noise about some new dubious deals in the works. Anyway I tend to think that all things considered, the company is worth less than zero and is headed for bankruptcy. It does have some nice retail channel deals that might be useful if the product was more attractive. Current revenues maybe a few million US$ a year, down from maybe 10x that a few years ago, but I haven't checked the numbers so these are just guesses.

That said, there are lots of other, more competent companies operating in the sector, that are privately held. I know sometimes a crappy publicly traded company will get acquired by a privately held one as kind of a backdoor IPO. The private company "merges" with the public one and boom, it's on the exchange without going through the whole SEC process.

Any idea of the value of a NASDAQ listing as a company asset for such purposes? I'm not seriously looking for investment advice (I'm too broke), but am just trying to size up the picture. Thanks. ~2025-39770-07 (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See Backdoor listing. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 19:36, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! That's exactly what I was describing. I guess I can look up examples. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 07:17, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 12

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Terms and conditions written in all caps

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In the US, it seems to be common that privacy policies, disclaimers, terms & condition and similar documents contain sections written entirely in uppercase (or occasionally, the whole document is written in uppercase). Why is this the case? It makes it rather difficult to read and I don't see how it would make a legal difference to use normal capitalisation. This practice does not seem common in other countries, even those with similar legal systems. ~2025-40120-30 (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Words, phrases, and entire sections of legal agreements are often capitalized to make them more conspicuous than the rest of the text around them. This tried-and-true practice has been around for ages and is still widely used today because it's a simple and effective way to make important content stand out." privacypolicies.com
A far cry from the TV ads (e.g. about analgesics, etc) that have equally important information at the bottom but in multiple sentences in very tiny print, which is displayed for about a second. How this satisfies some legal obligation to adequately warn consumers is beyond me. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:20, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Deciphering the all-caps final section and rendering it in understandable language tends to result in:
We have never claimed, do not claim and will never claim that this product is suitable for any use, and cannot accept responsibility for the damage caused by its use,
 ​‑‑Lambiam 18:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I keep seeing these Big Pharma TV ads for drugs claiming to cure some non-fatal medical condition or other with a long list of no-doubt legally mandated disclaimers, including possible more serious consequences of usage, up to and including death (though that would "cure" one). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It all has to do with conspicuousness. Under UCC § 1-201(b)(10), a term is "conspicuous" if a reasonable person ought to have noticed it. "Conspicuous terms include the following: (A) a heading in capitals equal to or greater in size than the surrounding text, or in contrasting type, font, or color to the surrounding text of the same or lesser size..." Certain clauses in contracts only count if they are conspicuous. For example, to disclaim the implied warranty of merchantability, UCC requires the disclaimer be conspicuous; hence, THIS PRODUCT IS SOLD AS IS. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 04:19, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aka YOU CAN"T SUE US. NYAAH, NYAAH, NYAAH, NYAAH, NYAAH! Clarityfiend (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kinda. But (at least in US law) there is an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing that all the bold face all caps you can dream of won't eliminate. Signed, last-week 1L. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 03:35, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

London bus in 'The Untouchables'?

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What model of London bus is seen in the film The Untouchables? (It's also visible in the first 15 seconds of the trailer on IMDb.)

When was that model introduced? The film is set in 1930. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:59, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to IMCDB it's an AEC Regent III RT (1939), or perhaps a BMMO D7 "mauled about a bit". It's not a great angle (in the trailer), and of course you could build any body you wanted onto a chassis. The one in the trailer has the rear platform on the left, so built for an driving on the left. DuncanHill (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since the movie is set in Chicago, including the scene in the trailer, that's not a "London bus" unless it was imported from there. Double-decker buses are used for sightseeing in Chicago today, but I don't know if that was true in 1930. --~2025-40985-10 (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A quick look at newspapers.com (pay site) indicates Chicago had double decker buses by the 1920s. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:32, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant date in 1987, which is when the film was made. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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Saints in hell, per Dante

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In Inferno, which saints appear in torment? (Looking for those considered saints by the Catholic Church in the 21st century.) I'm well aware of Pope St Celestine V likely being the one who made the great refusal, but I don't know if there are others, and Google searches are full of irrelevancies. Nyttend (talk) 01:39, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nyttend I couldn't find a secondary source that gives a concise list, but Longfellow's verse translation is here should you wish to research it yourself. Alansplodge (talk) 15:45, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liability apportionment

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Not seeking advice, but trying to understand some drama unfolding on the interweb.

Let's say a house burns down. Luckily no one is injured, but there is $500K of damage. The homeowner suspects a certain appliance of causing the fire. Claims adjuster or other investigator carefully inspects the debris and makes official report saying "cause of the fire can't be established with certainty, but our best estimate is that there's 20% chance that it was caused by short circuit resulting from a design defect in appliance X". Lawyers get involved.

Does that tend to result in the appliance manufacturer getting apportioned 20% of the liability? Or does the manufacturer say "our appliance is perfectly safe, even the mean mean investigator says we probably had nothing to do with it" and not get any responsibility at all?

What if (very simplified situation) there are 100 fires, differing in enough detail that they can be considered independent events, but each investigator report says about the same thing (20% chance that appliance X started the fire)? If the reports are right, expectation is that 20 of the 100 fires were started by the appliance, though we don't know which 20. Manufacturer might dispute the number 20, but if they say it's 0 they are almost surely talking nonsense.

What happens then?

Thanks. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 06:59, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly sure there are no rules on the book (meaning legislative statutes) regulating this in detail in any jurisdiction. Answers can only be based on existing jurisprudence from similar cases that have been adjudicated in the past. This will differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Also, I'm not familiar with fire investigation reports, but I'd be somewhat surprised if they assign numerical percentage values to causes that cannot be ruled out.
Suspending disbelief, it is entirely plausible that the appliance manufacturer will deny any alleged liability, also in a limited apportionment. Why should they? It only makes them more vulnerable in similar cases. They may instead blame faulty installation, or misuse. Only when unequivocally proved to be the cause, or substantially more evidence comes to light of their appliance being so dangerous as to create liability, can one expect them to react, which may involve a very costly recall.
Almost every major accident or disaster has several contributing causes. A failing sensor had not been serviced in time, the backup unit was under repair and out of order, the emergency shut-off valve was improperly installed and got stuck, ..., you get the picture. It is possible that the origin-and-cause part of a fire investigation identifies, with certainty, several causes that conspired to cause the damage. It is then meaningless to assign chances; each certainly contributed, so each can be stated as a contributing cause with "100% chance". But, obviously, not all can lead to 100% liability. The situation will differ from case to case, and may need to be settled in court.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:42, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Under which jurisdiction? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks both. The company is based in Nevada, US, but sells stuff all over the US and to some extent worldwide, so potentially lots of cross-jurisdictional disputes. I'm just watching the drama from the outside so I'll see what happens. (Popcorn emoji here). ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 07:15, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From my dimly remembered past life in the London insurance market, the principle here is called apportionment. Alansplodge (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

William F. Northend (1887-1968), English artist and printer

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Can anyone add anything about William F. Northend (Q137380497) to the scant information and thin sources I have gathered on Wikidata? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Illustrated editions of the works of William Morris in English : a descriptive bibliography, p 29, has some biographical detail. -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great find, thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:47, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He who thinks of Himachal...

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In Smythe, F. S. "Explorarions in Garwhal around Kamet". The Geographical Journal. 79 (1). London: Royal Geographical Society: 3. doi:10.2307/1784513. JSTOR 1784513., Frank Smythe quotes "the Hindu scribe" who wrote:

He who thinks of Himachal [the Himalayan snows], though he should not behold him, is greater than he who performs all worship in Kashi [Benares]. And he who thinks on Himachal shall have pardon for all sins; and all things that die on Himachal, and all things that in dying think of his snows, are freed from sin. In a hundred ages of the Gods I could not tell thee of the glories of Himachal, where Siva lived and where the Ganges fails from the foot of Vishnu like the slender thread of a lotus flower.

I would be interested to know the source that Smythe was quoting. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 17:41, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Parabola : Magazine of Myth and Tradition Vol. XIII, No. 4: November, 1988 Issue on THE MOUNTAIN credits it: "From the Manasakhanda of the Skanda Purana". Likewise The Himalayan Gazetteer vVol II Part I. There are many who quote it, but few who give credit. -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:11, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Madonna on the Dent du Geant

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There is a metal statue of a Madonna on the Dent du Geant. Do we know who put it there and when? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't found a sculptor, but successive editions of Baedeker date it 1904.[25] --Antiquary (talk) 11:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a wide-ranging discussion on UKClimbing.com that suggests there are many such statues, some dating back centuries. -- Verbarson  talkedits 13:27, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The statue was reportedly originally placed there by members of the Società delle Guide Alpine di Courmayeur on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the proclamation in 1854 of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Hit by lightning in 1958, it broke loose and toppled down. It was retrieved and placed in the Museo Alpino di Courmayeur, from which it was moved in 2001 to the Notre Dame de Guérison sanctuary, where it (presumably) remains to this day. A wooden statue was put on the same summit of the Dent du Géant, sculpted by local artist Mario Stuffer, but in just a few days it too was struck by lightning. There are references to an aluminium version, according to some the original, according to others a much later temporary replacement. Another source refers to le precedenti in legio d'aluminio, the predecessors (plural!) in aluminium alloy.[26] According to the same source, a new bronze statue, a faithful reproduction (presumably of the original), replaced the damaged (aluminium) statue in 2010. The name of the original sculptor is not mentioned in any of multiple sources and may have been lost.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:28, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 16

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'Gretorne'(?) pottery overstamp

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What is the overstamp on this pottery mark? It looks like "Gretorne", but that finds no relevant Google hits. Neither does "Geryorne". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:44, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bretonne - Britany perhaps? Johnbod (talk) 18:49, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The following site has an extensive, searchable listing of Grindley patterns.
https://www.replacements.com/china-grindley/b/001-800542
"Creampetal" appears to be a general description for a type of pottery with various patterns. I can't see a match for the word in question but there are other search options (colour, trim, style) to try if you have other images of the piece. Dalliance (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bretoine is a rare French surname,[27] like the name Bretaine[28] presumably one of many variant spellings of Old French Bretaigne, which also occurs as a surname.[29]  ​‑‑Lambiam 19:58, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear "Bretonne" is the adjectival form of Bretagne = Britany, used in French in all sorts of contexts. I'm fairly sure this is the correct reading. Johnbod (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The overstamp looks like the retailer's mark, not the potter's. DuncanHill (talk) 19:59, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Transatlantic phone call

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International call is sorely lacking in historical info and History of the telephone mentions only that the first transatlantic call was from the US to the UK in 1927.

I'm wondering how big a deal it was to do that in, say, 1947, particularly from the UK to the eastern US. Would it be extravagant to make such a call (say 3 minutes long) for non-momentous personal or business reasons? How much would it cost? What would you have to do to set it up with international phone operators or whatever? Was cable telegraphy a lot cheaper? Was paper mail the ordinary way to communicate? I'm presuming sea mail took forever just like now, but air mail might be a few days. Thanks. ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first transatlantic telephone call – by radio, not wire – took place January 7, 1927, between AT&T president Walter S. Gifford and Sir Evelyn P. Murray, head of the British General Post Office. [1]
In 1930, the New York-London call was reduced from $45 to $30 for the first three minutes. On the basis of personal income, that’s roughly from $845 to $564 [2] in 2024, although there are very wide variations in computing prices then and now.
Only at the end of the 20th century was it possible to dial directly across the ocean; prior to that , one called the international operator, and probably had to wait several minutes or even an hour to be called back with a connection to the other end. Cables (telegraphs), telexes, and telephone telegrams (call and dictate a message, which would be delivered in print to the other end, perhaps the same day) were much cheaper.
Postal (snail) mail might take a week, or a month, or longer, to cross the ocean. Domestic deliveries in the US might be possible on the same day, where there were two deliveries per day and more capacity than demand.DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 01:31, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When I was a child in the early 1960s my father would call to us in London from the US if he was away for several days. It was a big deal and the calls kept pretty brief - rather like later astronaut family calls. Don't know what the actual cost was. When he was home though he sometimes had long calls from corporate clients in the US. I think air mail letters only took a few days then - less than a week. Johnbod (talk) 02:42, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, yeah, that 1930 price tells me something, but I'm guessing there were developments between then and post-WW2. Meanwhile, Transatlantic communications cable says the first such telephone cable was laid in the 1950s, so 1947 would still have been radio. Transatlantic telegraph cables went back to the 1850's and the linked article about them is pretty interesting. ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See also Telstar Chuntuk (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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December 18

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December 4

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English questions

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  1. Does English have any words where semivowel /ɪ/ is spelled ⟨y⟩?
  2. Does English have any words which have two rhotics on both sides of first syllable vowel, as in made-up words rark and rirn? --40bus (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2. "roared" and "reared", I guess. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:49, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also "rare", "rarify", etc.; "reredos", "reremouse", "rerun" (and doubtless other "re + r-" prefixed words); "rorqual", "rort" (australian slang); "rural"; and various words from or imitative of foreign languages such as "Rorschach" and "Ruritania". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 00:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(1) I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "semivowel /ɪ/". Would whey (/hweɪ/) be an example? Deor (talk) 02:04, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. Assuming /ɪ/ refers to a "short i", one example that comes to mind is Wytheville, Virginia, which is pronounced "WITH-vil". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots02:25, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. Also some Greek-derived words like crypt, cryptic, krypton and kryptonite, I believe. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 13:42, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also the wych elm. GalacticShoe (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And a lychgate. Bazza 7 (talk) 15:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is why I asked what 40bus meant by "semivowel /ɪ/". In all of these "short i" examples (the one that came to my mind was myth), the /ɪ/ isn't a semivowel; it's just a vowel. Deor (talk) 17:03, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If so, I guess it's fairly common as part of a diphtong in words including pay, gray/ grey, fey, toy etc... 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2. "rare". Although, as spoken in my non-rhotic version of English, neither it nor any of the aforementioned "rark", "rirn", "roared", and "reared" may qualify for "two rhotics on both sides of the first syllable vowel". "raring", on the other hand, is good to go. Bazza 7 (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2. rural? -- ~2025-38626-12 (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you breaking it down as "rur-al" or "ru-ral"? As the second way doesn't really seem to fit the question. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 21:28, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the question as phrased was "both sides of the first syllable vowel"; not that both rhotics had to be part of the first syllable. So it fits either way.
Phonetically, it seems to me the center r is "doubled" - it is pronounced as both coda to first and onset to second. So if you needed to split the word between lines when typing on a typewriter, either way would probably be fine, but I think I would likely do "rur-al". ~2025-38703-06 (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I meant whether there are any words in English where the first syllable of a word is in the form /rVr/ (both the onset and coda are /r/) and the second syllable starts with a consonant. I don't know any such words. Are there any such words that do not result from schwa deletion, as words "roared" and "reared" do? --40bus (talk) 07:56, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the question is badly phrased, but your examples given have both only one syllable. (Rhyming with ark and earn, I'd say.) 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:10, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, rarely, I guess. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:14, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also don't know how relevant your point of "schwa deletion" would be. In French, there's a distinction between general and poetic pronunciation, where the latter is used in poetry and singing, and includes historical schwa sounds that are mute in other settings, but it isn't really a common practice in English, where roared, cord, horde, board and bored would generally rhyme in most varieties, regardless of historical orthography. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:06, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Romanizations

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Why English does not usually romanize Cyrillic letters representing postalveolar consonants with carons? --40bus (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What would be a potential example? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:52, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kazimir Severinovič Malevič.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:14, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Familiarity, I guess. This has been answered earlier. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 13:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relatedly, "Weird Al" Yankovic has recently made a joke video where he complains about his surname being mispronounced with soft '-ch' not hard 'k', but then begins to wonder if he's been mispronouncing it, and that he's turned into a parody of himself. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 00:22, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most English surnames originating from a different language have a spelling pronunciation that is (often markedly) different from the original pronunciation. The German surname Bernstein is pronounced in Germany as [ˈbɛʁnʃtaɪn] , but in English either as /ˈbɜːrnstn/ (for example, for Leonard Bernstein) or as /ˈbɜːrnstn/ (as in Carl Bernstein), in either case without the ⟨sh⟩ sound of shy.
For a stronger example, the surname Chomsky, usually pronounced /ˈt͡ʃɒm.ski/, stems from a Slavic surname written in Russian as Хомский and pronounced /ˈxomskʲɪj/, starting with a voiceless velar fricative, the harsh ⟨ch⟩ sound of Scots loch. Another example is the originally Italian surname Schiavo, in the US usually pronounced /ˈʃaɪvoʊ/ with the ⟨sh⟩ sound and ⟨-igh⟩ sound of shy, but in Italian as /ˈskjaːvo/, with a hard /k/ and without a diphthong.
It is not particularly meaningful to label these as mispronunciations.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:16, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it is in the case of a person's surname, which that person has the right to define even if it differs in pronunciation and spelling from, e.g., the way their forebears pronounced it.
Yankovic's joke stems from many people writing parody songs imitative of his style, and posting them under his name, which they frequently misspell (and mispronounce) as 'Yankovich". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.1095} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 02:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Well, it is in the case of a person's surname, which that person has the right to define even if it differs in pronunciation and spelling from, e.g., the way their forebears pronounced it." In an extreme case of this, some of my maternal uncles pronounce their surname one way and others a different way. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:44, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have wondered why Liefeld is pronounced as Lay-feld as it doesn't correspond to either German, Dutch or English orthography. I wonder whether it might have been a respelling of Dutch Lijfeld. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 21:55, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't a Dutch ⟨ij⟩ become an ⟨i⟩ or ⟨y⟩, as in Riker/Ryker and Van Dyck/Van Dyke?  ​‑‑Lambiam 00:14, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The name Lijfeld doesn't occur in the Netherlands. Neither does Lijveld, although names ending in -veld ("-field") are quite common. The names Lieveld (227 people) and Liefeld (17 people) do occur, but are very rare. The former is somewhat associated with the larger cities and apparently connected to Suriname, a former Dutch colony, still Dutch speaking. No connection with the village Lievelde is mentioned. Speculating here, but this could be a short version of Lelieveld ("Lily-field"). PiusImpavidus (talk) 10:19, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the surname "Lijfeld" died out in the Netherlands, but its use is historically attested.[30]  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:33, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where is it pronounced that way? Rob Liefeld is pronounced just as you would expect from the spelling. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:40, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I believe I heard the pronunciation lay-feld before, in a documentary or so, but maybe it was dialectal or a mockery. Sorry, then. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying you were wrong. It's quite possible that it is pronounced Lay-feld in other accents. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:04, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
um … /laj/ or /li:/ or /lej/ ? —Antonissimo (talk) 17:12, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
English generally doesn't use diacritics. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Or if it does, few people know what to do with them! Alansplodge (talk) 16:45, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It "uses" them only in the sense that an English text can conceivably include some foreign words that have them. We normally ignore diacritics, because they are not part of the English language (and I defy anyone to prove me wrong on that point). A quoted text is usually given exactly as in the source language, but rendered in italics to indicate it's a guest, and not written in the English language. If the original has diacritics, they are shown in the quote. But sometimes we need a way of marking English words to help make sense of them. For example, it was once common to spell cooperate either as co-operate or coöperate, because otherwise it looks like cooper-ate. We usually spell the other word for CV as resumé, to distinguish it from the verb resume. If there were no such verb as resume, we'd treat resumé exactly as we treat cafe: devoid of dreaded diabolical diacritics. I've lost count of the times I've edited articles to convert début to plain debut. It is no longer a foreign word because it became a fully accepted part of English a long time ago, so no diacritics are required. Exactly like cafe. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:33, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that even with the existence of the verb resume, the accent is often not present on the noun. Here's two links giving advice on applying for jobs: https://wp.stolaf.edu/pipercenter/how-to-guides/resume-guide-2/how-do-you-deliver-your-resume-successfully/ and https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/resumes-cover-letters/how-to-email-a-resume --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 19:41, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Carol Burnett in a skit where she's a dope applying for a job: "I expect you'll want to see my resume." Pronounced like the verb, of course. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a naïve point of view. Chuntuk (talk) 13:58, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That use of "naïve" seems as outdated and affected as "café", "hôtel", and "rôle" to me. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:28, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We pedantic sorts (as well as the Wikipedia article) like to spell résumé with two acute accents. Deor (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, 40bus, please type this up, print it out, and attach it to the screens of every device you use to post here: it is not possible to determine "why" a language does or does not do things a certain way. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
English has When? — Then!, Whence? – Thence!, Where? – There!, and Whither? – Thither!. So why does English not have Why? – Thy! ?  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:55, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot What? — That!. And what about Who?Tho!? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:38, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think your Tho! is actually Thou! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 06:24, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the initial th- in thou is the same as the demonstrative th-. In that case, it would go back to Proto-Indo-European. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 13:30, 11 December 2025 (UTC) [reply]
The who - tho pair is not a real one, it is simply me playing off Lambiam's joke about why - thy. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:18, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also Wherefore?, Therefore!. Swedish has ty (for, because), though, which might possibly be related. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 17:48, 8 December 2025 (UTC) [reply]
Keep reminding him, as it might get through someday. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots18:47, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Always the optimist! That's what I like so much about you. ;-)  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:56, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Why do these similar words, used in the same context, require different forms of the following verb?

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In a discussion I originally wrote "I see no reason to limit this to ...", but then changed that to "I see no reason or benefit to limiting this to ...". Which got me wondering, why do "I see no reason" and "I see no benefit" require different forms of the following verb? Thryduulf (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure,but your second version doesn't seem truly grammatical to me. Shouldn't it be "I see no reason for, nor benefit to, limiting...."? User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:33, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it's different varieties of English or something, but while your version does read to me as grammatical it also reads as significantly more formal than my second version (which doesn't seem ungrammatical to me, but that's probably not surprising regardless of whether it objectively is or not). Thryduulf (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would have written it as "I see no reason to or benefit in limiting this to . . .", but I am somewhat prolix.
English often has several different ways to correctly write and/or say (gasp – a split infinitive! :-)) the same thing, sometimes with subtle differences in implication, sometimes not. This flexibility enhances poetical expression and frustrates ESL students (which is not to say that other languages are not equally versatile, but I lack sufficient grasp of any of them to perceive it).
None of this, of course, addresses Thryduulf's question about the origins of the differences he adduces, which lie beyond my limited expertise. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 03:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your version feels not grammatical to me. Usually, in a grammatical sentence of the form "... A or B ...", one can delete "or B" without making in ungrammatical. Applying the deletion to the bit "reason to or benefit in" produces "I see no reason to limiting this to ...".  ​‑‑Lambiam 05:23, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which is also the problem I had with Thryduulf's version. "I see no reason ... to limiting". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:07, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some English nouns can be used with an infinitive complement.[31] These nouns constitute a closed class. The noun reason is in this class; the noun benefit is not. The article linked to suggests a characterization of this class, but (as for many things in human languages) it may be impossible to discern why some words are in this class and others not.  ​‑‑Lambiam 05:53, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Written off?

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I was just writing something on a platform with an international audience and use the expression "written off" to describe a car that was no longer usable and wondered how universal the term really is. HiLo48 (talk) 22:46, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Common as muck here in Britain. DuncanHill (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its use is not truly universal, but mainly restricted to the Anglosphere. As the past participle of the verb write off, it has also less total senses in bookkeeping (as in, "62 percent was written off as uncollectable").  ​‑‑Lambiam 00:34, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I worked in the insurance industry here in Australia for a while, and that's the meaning there. I just wondered about the usage in countries with different approaches to such things. HiLo48 (talk) 00:45, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very common in South African English. The Afrikaans translation is "afgeskryf" which literally means "off-written". ~2025-39889-34 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:08, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Common in the U.S. and Canada. As in: after the accident, the car was a complete write-off. As mentioned, the usage comes from insurance and accounting. Xuxl (talk) 15:35, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Outside the Anglosphere, an equivalent term exists in the German language, ie ab-schreiben. The meaning seems identical, it can be used formally in a fiscal context (to write off an investment over n years as an expense, reducing taxes; mentioned by user:Lambian) and colloquially for an item which has lost any value and usage (as used by user:HiLo48).
Note that abschreiben can also mean to copy, generally in an literary context (as in Luke and Matthew have abgeschrieben from evangelist Mark). --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also Swedish "avskriva", I believe. To copy is "skriva av". But the phrasing might be less common outside of Germanic languages. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 18:30, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not to be confused with the weird latter-day journalistic construction "sign off on", which means approve (as distinct from plain "sign off", which usually means to say goodbye). -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 17:49, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A car that is written off may still be perfectly usable. My previous car was written off when somebody pulled out in front of me, but I continued to drive it for another six months. It merely means that the (other party's) insurer won't pay for repair because the cost exceeds (or exceeds 3/4 of) the value of the car. The insurer wrote off the car as a total loss, paying me £900 for it and letting me buy it back for £38 (which I omitted to pay (and I later got £90 for it as scrap)). catslash (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cease and Desist

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Those two words mean the same thing, right? So was the phrase combining them invented at the Department of Redundancy Department? I am not seeking legal advice. (Article: Cease and desist). ~2025-39770-07 (talk) 00:59, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has an article on everything, including Cease and desist. There it explains that "The phrase "cease and desist" is a legal doublet, made up of two near-synonyms. Clicking on that link for Legal doublet will take you further into this rabbit hole. HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have heard that cease means stop it and desist means don't start it again. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:27, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's basically it. It's kind of subtle. "Cease" obviously means "stop". "Desist" is used to mean "refrain".[32][33]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots03:49, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is called the Office of Pleonasms and Redundancy. Using words and terms that are not strictly necessary and, being redundant, might as well be omitted, deleted, and left out, since they do not add or increase information beyond the words and terms that have already been used, means more billable time for the lawyer.  ​‑‑Lambiam 01:20, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow strikes me as an auctioneer technique. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 02:45, 12 December 2025 (UTC) [reply]
The exact wording of laws are determined by people serving as legislators, not as lawyers (though they are usually both), and at least in the UK this process is usually subject to expert scrutiny and adjustment before the laws are passed.
As has already been discussed above, words which may loosely mean the same thing to a layperson, often in law have more precise and different meanings, and the use of both may be necessary to avoid loopholes in laws: having done so, there is less scope for a lawyer to argue that a client has or has not actually broken the letter of a law.
The recent populist fad for distaining the expertise of specialists more educated and knowledgeable than oneself should not be encouraged in an encyclopaedia (I suggest). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 14:43, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To restate what Antonissimo said, cease means stop it if you're doing it, and desist means don't start if you're not doing it. That would seem to cover everything. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:00, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the meanings of desist as given in dictionaries:
 ​‑‑Lambiam 17:20, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, de-cease refers to the cessation of heartbeat and brain activity. It seems to be the same as ceasing heartbeat and brain activity. De-sist is a derivate from the Latin sistere (= to stop). De-sist, sist, de-cease and cease then appear to be synonyms of identical semantic value.
BTW. sist is listed as a Scottish legal term for a stay in legal proceedings, so the verb / noun is in usage. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given the broader meaning of "desist", it would seem that "cease" is a subset of it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:52, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An argument for using cease and desist is that not everyone knows the meaning of desist.  ​‑‑Lambiam 04:27, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Legalese. Reminds me of the story about a guy who told his lawyer he didn't have a will. The shocked lawyer said that without a will, he could die intestate! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:20, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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December 10

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What do numbers 1-54 and "AUG", "RSD", "DAY 12" etc. mean in this table? Asking because I want to remake it into something like this because it's currently too wide even for a computer's screen. sapphaline (talk) 11:49, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers are the order of events in the series that particular season (i.e. the first race of 1967 was the Augusta 300, the second was the Motor Trend 500 and so on). The racer in question only participated in some of these races, the ones for which there is a finish number under the race name. If you hover your mouse over the various initials, the full name of the race will appear. Xuxl (talk) 15:00, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is it correct to label these cells like so, then? sapphaline (talk) 15:30, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Xuxl:? sapphaline (talk) 12:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't worked on any racing articles, so my expertise is limited, but the format looks fine to me. --Xuxl (talk) 15:25, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Q Continuum on Star Trek

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Why does the Q continuum on star trek have two genders? Does that mean they came from mortal animals that had evolved sex? Do they realize that?Rich (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does Q (Star Trek) really have two genders, or is that merely a conventionalization for humans to comprehend, somewhat like with the Organians? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots04:04, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it does, it may merely reflect a desire on the part of the writers to avoid introducing a distraction irrelevant to the actual plot of the story. If instead they had made it explicitly one, or three, people would have spent time wondering how that worked. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 06:18, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The appearance of having genders may be an artifact of the projection of the Q essence in a form accessible to us humans. It might be interesting, though, to have an episode based on Q experiencing gender dysphoria.  ​‑‑Lambiam 01:47, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Best budget wireless lav mics with receiver - which can fit into mic input of zoom h1 essential recorder

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I am a layman in sound dept. For my very low budget short film - I have purchased a Zoom H1 essential recorder and a Senheiser MKE 400 shotgun. I would use this combination for close-ups. But, for wider shots of actors, I want to use a combination of lav mics+receiver + zoom h1 essentiaal recorder. Kindly comment if this would be OK? If yes, can you kindly suggest any budget mic whose receiver would go in the mic input of zoom recorder. Or, do you think any other budget way would be better. Also, if I record wider shots sounds on phone via lav mic and close-up shot sounds on shotgun+Zoom recorder - How, in post, can I make these sounds from two recording devices sound Similar?? Jesushealedme25 (talk) 10:25, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This musician recorded an album's worth of material in December 1961, but the album itself was not released until October 1966. Our article (which I presume is reasonably accurate) rather glosses over this lengthy delay. Does any jazz buff here know why this occured ? Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:38, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not being a jazz buff I understand nothing of what I'm about to quote:
“Original first pressing on Blue Note NY labels” with VAN GELDER stamp however an anomaly, as 4118 lacks the all important Plastylite “ear” mark in the run-out, indicating the release was possibly out of catalogue number sequence at a later date. Expert opinion suggests the record, recorded at the end of 1961, was released in 1962, however the missing ear usually indicates a Liberty pressing after 1966.
Perhaps you do? It's taken from this webpage. --Antiquary (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I most certainly do not. It looks complete jibberish to me - I am not a fan of jazz either. Thanks for your efforts though - not your fault the website leaves us both clueless ! Perhaps someone else can find a straightforward explanation. Thanks again. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If I can make sense of the quote, it claims the record was released in 1962, but with a catalogue number that was out of sequence and makes it appear like a 1966 release. No idea what the "missing ear" is about, however, but it's the sort of thing obsessive collectors obsess about. However, Discogs states that the earliest release was in 1966, and that it was delayed due to Blue Note's sale to Liberty Records. To make things more complicated, our articles on the two labels do not mention such a sale, and on Discogs, it's said to have taken place in 1965, which does not explain the five-year gap in that particular recording's release. Xuxl (talk) 15:11, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The section Blue Note Records § Lion retires; Wolff dies starts with, "Blue Note was acquired by Liberty Records in 1965". While the company was sold, the iconic label persisted, also after Liberty Records was bought by United Artists Records, United Artists Records was bought by EMI, and EMI was bought by Universal Music Group.  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:32, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you too for your diligence. I am a Brit, but I sense the beginnings of a US style conspiracy theory emanating from all these curious factors. LOL. I wonder if we will ever find the truth - I bet it will be a bit mundane after all this excitement! Thanks again Xuxl. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:44, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From googling the subject, the "ear" seems to have been a symbol on this record company's products; a symbol on the record platter that looked like an ear. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots20:58, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plastylite was a record-pressing company that pressed the Blue Note albums until 1966.[34] The "ear" was not Blue Note's mark, but Plastylite's; after 1966 it no longer appears on Blue Note records.[35] It was actually the mirror image of a cursive letter P, the first letter of Plastylite's cursive logo.[36]  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:14, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This gets more and more entertaining. Thanks to all contributors. However, my original question remains - why was there a lengthy delay (almost five years) between the recording and issue. There must be more to it than the eventual sale of the label (more than three years after the recording date(s)) and "ear", or not, on the vinyl. I could throw in the curveball of Chant (recorded in 1961; released in 1979 on our old friend Blue Note). Ohhhh...the intrigue! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:20, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS. Just trawling around with nothing better to do, I stumbled across Blue Note Records § Lee Morgan and Grant Green: high volumes of unreleased recordings; which may be relevant - although neither Grant Green nor Lee Morgan were party to the musicians recording either Free Form or Chant. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Konye West

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Who is konye West ~2025-40129-81 (talk) 01:34, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See Kanye West. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:38, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kanye's more disreputable brother. P.S. It's actually spelled "Con-ye". Clarityfiend (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hear Ye, hear Ye!  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:34, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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If I hear a familiar melody in a song that I’m convinced I’ve heard before, how can I locate it?

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I’ve recently listened to a song (I won’t post it here, my intent is not for someone to just know the answer) whose melody is frustratingly familiar. I don’t even know if it was an intentional interpolation, it could’ve just been a coincidence.

How could I systematically go about finding songs with a similar melody? I could write the melody of this one in musical or MIDI notation, but then how could I cross-reference that with other songs? Does there exist some sort of database with indexing on melodies like this, so one can query and find melodies with certain patterns?

Or even anything like this, or akin to what I’m looking for? I have some basic musical knowledge and decent technical ability, so this seemed like a great place to ask. ~2025-40442-09 (talk) 18:58, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I googled "identify that tune" and got:
  • To identify a tune, use apps like Shazam, SoundHound, or your phone's built-in assistants (Google, Siri, Alexa) by tapping a button to listen, or even humming/whistling the melody into the mic; you can also use browser extensions like Shazam or AHA Music for songs playing online, or websites like Musipedia by playing the tune on a virtual keyboard. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:46, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Shazam and the apps it's often grouped together with pretty much only recognizes how the original songs sound like. Humming detection is apparently very different. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Midomi used to be excellent at it, but it is now only accessible by installing an app. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 11:49, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lambiam: once mentioned Parsons code. Doug butler (talk) 22:30, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did I? I know several other editors did:
(I contributed to the last of these discussions, but not in a particularly serious way.)
Musipedia accepts queries by Parsons code, but also by just whistling the melody or even by tapping its rhythm.  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:44, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Zootopia 2

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Will Zootopia 2 become the highest-grossing film of 2025? Wonderiousmen (talk) 06:44, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you can read above:
  • We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate.
 ​‑‑Lambiam 16:34, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Check back again after December 31. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:49, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Criminal Minds episode (not) with a Scrubs tribute

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Recently I have seen the intro of a Criminal Minds episode (season unknown, but none of the earliest), starting off with two young doctors or medical students preparing an obductionautopsy. The female is scared by the corpse suddenly sitting up and moving, which is just a prank by the male. When the doctor in charge arrives (a female, aging African-American) and they start the obductionautopsy, they note a formerly unrecognized tattoo at the corpse. The doctor suddenly realizes a crime has happened and calls the BAU team. Now I had believed the male doctor/student to be actor Zach Braff, and at first I had believed this to be a Scrubs episode. But apparently Braff has never screened in Criminal Minds, and there never was an episode with a Scrubs tribute. Does anyone know which episode this is, and who was the actor? --KnightMove (talk) 12:14, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NB. Obduction in this context is an old medical term for autopsy. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 17:48, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. --KnightMove (talk) 21:17, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment: I don't know the episode, but one way you might be able to figure it out, or at least narrow it down, is by looking at episode transcripts (search for "criminal minds episode transcripts"). The ones I found only include the dialogue, but you can still get a fairly good idea of the action and general setting. ―Tosca-the-engineer (talk) 13:47, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the hint. I haven't found the episode yet, but I will keep looking... --KnightMove (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone interested: It is episode Surface Tension, and the guy I was looking for is Andy Cohen. I have to confess, he looks not too similar to Zach Braff. --KnightMove (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Identifying an episode

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Good evening. Could someone try to tell me the title of a show i forgot? ~2025-40048-69 (talk) 17:02, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is way too vague a question. You need to provide some details. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots22:11, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Start with show and work your way from there. It may take you a while. Shantavira|feed me 09:37, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was a cartoon. Could have been a Disney one, but it'm not sure. The characters were animals and it was most likely from the 90S. The episode i renember is about the main character spending the night at a castle. Some other characters (might have been the show's main antagonists) made a plan to scare him. ~2025-40048-69 (talk) 15:18, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the members of https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ can try to tell you, if you provide some details. AlmostReadytoFly (talk) 10:37, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DFTT - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a troll, i swear! I'm asking because the cartoon episode is connected to a fond (if minor) memory. ~2025-40048-69 (talk) 15:12, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps TV Tropes can help? There are pages for Haunted castle and Haunted house. Matt Deres (talk) 20:39, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There was an episode of TaleSpin with that plot, but it is a not uncommon trope. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:12, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

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Miscellaneous

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December 5

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First male to win a women’s sports title?

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Can someone point me to where I might find out the first man to win a women’s sports title? I am working on a school report and would like to find something inspirational. Thanks! Kevinscottwalker (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is obviously "none", because men do not compete in women's sport. I'm going to assume good faith that your question is not somehow related to the issue of transgender people in sports. --Viennese Waltz 05:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would think it's obvious that any number of transmen are likely to have won sports titles at their schools before coming out or transitioning. If this is not what you meant, please clarify that you are only wanting examples of titles meeting some specified criteria of notability, or that you are only interested in cisgender males.-Gadfium (talk) 05:39, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am fairly sure that the answer is Erik Schinegger in 1966. Of course, this is a very special case and not quite the concern of the question. --KnightMove (talk) 14:31, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It can perhaps be inspirational for a school report. This may be the first documented case; it will be difficult to prove definitively that it is the actual first case among the several thousand women’s sports titles awarded up to 1966.  ​‑‑Lambiam 21:26, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heinrich Ratjen won the women's high jump at the 1936 Summer Olympics. at the 1937 German Track and Field Championship and the 1938 European Women's Championships, setting a "world record" in the latter.[37] Clarityfiend (talk) 23:56, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m referring to whoever might be considered the first man to pave the way for other men to compete and win in women’s sports. Kevinscottwalker (talk) 19:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who was the first heavyweight to win a medal in bantamweight boxing and pave the way for other heavyweight boxers to compete in that weight class? I'm not sure perhaps, but I have an inkling that these ways haven't been paved, so it is too early for an inspirational story.  ​‑‑Lambiam 19:33, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly doubt that non-transgender men have been allowed to compete in women's sports due to the great physiological differences between the sexes. Serena Williams, possibly the greatest woman tennis player of all time, was handily defeated (6-1) by 203rd ranked Karsten Braasch. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only realistic possibility I can come up with is in a sport in which only women compete and where strength is not a major factor: rhythmic gymnastics. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Back in the era (pre-1980s or so) when there were still men's chess tournaments, Susan Polgar was by far the world's strongest woman player. She couldn't find challenging competition in women's tournaments and she was refused entry to men's tournaments. After much conflict, the authorities relented, Susan was allowed to play in men's tournaments, and surprise, she won a number of them. They got rid of men's tournaments around then, I think as a result. They are open to everyone now, though in practice still very heavily male-skewed. As of a few years ago (not sure about now), the head coach of the Hungarian men's national chess team was Susan's sister Judit Polgar. Times have changed. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What animal is this?

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I love this animal. I don't know what it is.

If I had an image of it I could directly post here, it would probably be in Wikimedia Commons or something and it would have a description that identifies the animal in question, but obviously I don't have that yet. I can link to an image of the animal, though. https://postimg.cc/QVk75Nbs MEN KISSING (talk) 23:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like Northern tamandua. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 00:00, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, thank you for pointing me in the direction of anteaters! But it looks like more of a Southern tamandua based on what I could find on Wikimedia Commons. Thank you, though!
 
Southern Tamandua - Sunshine International Aquarium, Tokyo, Japan
MEN KISSING (talk) 01:05, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Knuckles

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Why is it that you can move the knuckle furthest from your hand backwards for all fingers except the ring fingers? ―Panamitsu (talk) 00:31, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't. Maybe it's just you! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots00:47, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm the same. This is the distal interphalangeal joint of the 4th digit (3rd/ring finger), but I can't find any reference to this particular slight limitation of forced motion (in at least some of us), as opposed to this digit's reduced independence and strength of voluntary motion, which is understood (though not well explained in Wikipedia as far as I can find). I've wondered this too, so I hope someone else can find an explanation, thought I suspect it's trivial. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:10, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hypermobile joints are common and occur in about 10 to 25% of the population. So it's not "just you" who can bend their fingers backwards. The degree differs from individual to individual; contortionists are unusually high on the hypermobility spectrum (a term I just invented for this response, but I see we have an article on Hypermobility spectrum disorder). Just like hypermobility of a specific joint can be due to an injury, so can limited mobility, so a potential explanation for lack of hypermobility in specific finger joints of an individual whose other fingers can bend somewhat backwards is a prior injury, perhaps so mild that it went unnoticed at the time but just sufficient to reduce its mobility permanently. But it may be relevant that the ring finger and thumb are the ones that are most commonly affected in trigger finger, a problem that has generally no known cause. The cause of ring fingers being more commonly affected (for which I have not seen an explanation) might explain their more likely lack of hypermobility.  ​‑‑Lambiam 11:18, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear: in my case I can force (using my other hand or a fixed object) the DIPs of my fingers only 10 degrees or less beyond straight, except for both my 3rd ("ring") fingers which do not go beyond straight; I'm fairly sure I have never injured either, and I have no hint of hypermobility anywhere else, so since the OP Panamitsu initiated their query with the same observation, I suspect this is a normal phenomenon and something to do with the normal joint configuration of that finger. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Experimental setup:
Lay one hand with the palm flat on a horizontal surface and lift the fingers (not including the thumb) one by one, keeping all other fingers of that hand flat on the surface. Use the index finger of the other hand for lifting, as far as possible without the procedure becoming painful.
Results:
I find no consistent pattern. Most but not all fingers of the dominant hand seem "stiffer" than the corresponding finger of the other hand; for the index fingers it is clearly the other way around. The largest angle is reached with one of the two ring fingers, while the other one is below average but not by much.
Conclusion:
Not much can be concluded from anecdotal evidence, beyond the conclusion that not much can be concluded from anecdotal evidence.
Thank you for your attention in this matter.  ​‑‑Lambiam 19:25, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean the whole fingers (at the metacarpophalangeal joints) or specifically the distal interphalangeal joints? (These terms are new to me so I hope I'm using them correctly). ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not something I ever expected to do but here is a video showing my version of the experiment. ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:56, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In my experiment these where the whole fingers. I cannot bend any of the phalanges backwards except, slightly, the distal ones of the little fingers.  ​‑‑Lambiam 23:49, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, specifically the DIPs (the top-most joint). In your excellent video, Panamitsu, it is evident that those of your other three fingers do bend (upwards) noticeably, but that of your third finger does not. My fingers (on both hands) behave in the same way.
The question from Panamitsu (and now also myself) obviously springs from personal ("anecdotal") observation (as does everyone's initial experience of the world), but we are not seeking someone else's personal guesses based on their individual physiology, but reference to some actual scientific research/analysis regarding this anatomical phenomenon (exhibited by half of the contibutors to this discussion thus far), if there is any. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 09:16, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article, "The Hand As a Concept: Digital Differences and Their Importance", aims at giving a comprehensive overview of the bone and joint architecture, muscles, tendons, and degree of functional independence of the separate fingers, as "each digit is unique", and also treats their freedom of movement individually and in combination. While it mentions the ring finger several times, none of these mentions appears to be of relevance to the present issue.  ​‑‑Lambiam 14:40, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting and relevant material, Lambiam. Thank you. Although I am not so invested as to pay the fee required to download the full article, I take your word for it that nothing in it directly relates to the current question.
Hmmm. If an anatomy student were stuck for a thesis subject . . . . {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 02:44, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mule vs carrot on stick

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Picture of what I mean This is a classic device. My question: is it only metaphorical, or is it actually done in real life? Does it work? Is the donkey dumb enough to fall for it day after day? Asking for metaphorical reasons, though cats and laser pointers come to my mind. Thanks. ~2025-38367-99 (talk) 01:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mules are not dumb.[38] They would almost immediately realize that the carrot moves as they move. The cartoon seems to show a donkey. Donkeys are no dummies either.[39]  ​‑‑Lambiam 14:50, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We do have articles on marketing and advertising, Arguably, these are examples of carrots on a stick. These are also billion dollar enterprises. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I wanted to know whether the mule or donkey version works in real life. It sounds to me like it doesn't, per Lambiam's post though. Thanks. ~2025-39228-43 (talk) 02:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The activity I should do in my leisure time

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What should I do in my leisure time? CuriousTopCat (talk) 12:50, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You should watch the comedy show It's 8 o'clock! Everyone Gather Together, featuring the comedians The Drifters—they'll have you laughing in no time. Let's Appear Together on No. 55: Definitive Edition!, with the comedians Konto No. 55, is just as funny and definitely worth checking out. He-who-knows-everything (talk) 13:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I definitely need a few laughs. At least I can keep myself occupied this way. Thanks! CuriousTopCat (talk) 13:31, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you're in for a lot more than a few laughs. He-who-knows-everything (talk) 13:47, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Learn Esperanto; but then what about the next week? —Antonissimo (talk) 03:43, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The OP is not the first to pose such a question. Daisy in The Great Gatsby (1925) asked: "What'll we do with ourselves this afternoon, and the day after that, and the next thirty years?" We remember her even after 100 years. One can achieve immortality by simply asking a question, even if one does not exist. Living people are even better placed. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:45, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In books, or work, or healthful play,
Let my first years be passed,
That I may give for every day
Some good account at last.
Failing that, cultivate your garden. DuncanHill (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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December 10

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Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA)

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I'm trying to trace an object held by the Israel Antiquities Authority for an article on Horvat Rimmon. There are several different researchers and excavations of the site that took place, most notably from 1976, 1978–1981, and in 1984. The object likely traces to one of those dates, but looking through the literature has turned up nothing other than an IAA ID number: 138528. There's an even larger number shown on an uncropped photo of the object that I found,[40] but I am assuming that the symbol that appears in the ID is a Greek lamda, but I'm not sure: 858 | 559-λ 138528. There should be a way to match 138528 in the IAA database, but I haven't had much luck so far.[41] I'm wondering if the additional numbers (858 | 559-λ) might shed some light. Typically, I'm used to finding objects like this in a database, for example something like Arachne. It's been a while since I edited in this area, but back when I did, I'm almost certain I ran across a potsherd database of some kind, but it's been ten years since I even visited those sites. Some help would be appreciated. We are hoping that the object is traced to 1976 so we can use a free image of it in the beginning of the year. Viriditas (talk) 08:52, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think your lambda is the digit 1; see Regional handwriting variation § The numeral 1.
In Google image searches for "חורבת רימון" or "מיער להב" only the same ynet article turns up.
Perhaps you can reach the author through the Coffeebar Express, of which he is, at least according to the Hebrew Wikipedia, the owner.  ​‑‑Lambiam 00:09, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Political position of Wikipediocracy

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Is Wikipediocracy a far-right website? I lurked that site for a bit. Ahri Boy (talk) 09:24, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it is described in reliable sources, and we don't answer requests for opinions. Shantavira|feed me 10:38, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given the topics they've covered, I don't see anything that looks "far right". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots13:23, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are a few right-wing posters there, but right-wingery is certainly not the dominant political position. Right-wing "alternatives to Wikipedia", such as Justapedia, are frequently mocked, and so are Trump and Musk and other such figures. Political comments are mainly tangential in discussions of Wikipedia-related topics. Deor (talk) 16:10, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
'Far right?' No. Take it from a Wikipediocracy regular that it most definitely isn't. Opinions are diverse, and if anything probably trends to the left, though clearly that depends what you measure it against. And yes, we mock things. And people. But no, it doesn't have a 'political position'. It's a forum. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh... I just joined the forums. Ahri Boy (talk) 04:30, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's a vast variety of opinions there; I wouldn't say they lean either left or right. EF5 15:16, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania ballot

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Hello. Just out of curiosity: was the ballot for Pennsylvania's presidential electors in the 1960 election more similar to the more “vintage” one from 1936 or the more “modern” one from 1972? Thank you very much.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204956987800

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305526087051

~2025-34907-86 (talk) 20:46, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This can only be answered if someone finds an actual 1960 ballot or an image thereof. There are no rules concerning the design of these ballots, not for the text and also not for the layout. It is conceivable that it resembled neither of the two.  ​‑‑Lambiam 11:05, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Scotland Neck being invaded by birds

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I wanna know more about this event in 1969 where millions of birds invaded this small town of Scotland Neck, North Carolina. I’ve got like 2 sources, mainly because finding old newspapers is hard and locked behind paywalls. [42] [43] Redbreadwater (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ooooh, interesting! I found one more (more recent) source [44], and on the wikipedia library a paragraph in a 1972 TIME article about a similar infestation in Virginia [45]. A more skillful search there might turn up more. Also a passing mention in this article about a rather fascinating institution I'd never heard of before [46]. TIL. -- Avocado (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neat, thank you! Redbreadwater (talk) 17:36, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also this 2016 article.
And this 1971 article in Life magazine.
And this bizarre 2013 film on YouTube.
Plus a mention in this acedemic article (you can open a free JSTOR account if you don't have other access).
Alansplodge (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's the first item in Strange, Sudden and Unexpected (Cornell 1972), "True Stories from the files of the Smithsonian Institution's Centre for Short-Lived Phenomena". Not surprising, therefore, to find it in the 1971 Annual Report of that Centre. Also mentioned in Earth Watch: Notes on a Restless Planet (Shepherd 1973) and The Book of Beasts (May 1983). The first two three are obviously linked, I don't know how independent the other two are one is.[Edited] -- Verbarson  talkedits 23:17, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Answer

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Will someone answer the latest topic on Talk:Soweto uprising? ~2025-41525-48 (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you asking for a prediction? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:24, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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