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December 3

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Erwin Rommel

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Cover of "La Anarquia explicada a los niños"

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The booklet "La Anarquia explicada a los niños" ("Anarchism explained to the children") was published in 1931 by Max Bembo (a pseudonym of José Ruíz Rodríguez, aka Emmanuel José Antonio). Archive dot org has a copy of an undated later edition here, with a cover picture which is not attributed. There's a sticker in the corner saying "1959", but idk whether that's the date of the printing, or the edition, or the picture.

Can anyone tell me who drew the picture, or its date? I'd like to know whether it's under copyright. Marnanel (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

The book was published in 1931, and the cover of the re-issue is undoubtedly a faithful reproduction of the original cover, so the image, which looks to me like linocut but was perhaps a line drawing in a style suggestive of woodcut or linocut, was almost certainly created in 1931 or perhaps late 1930. It is signed "R. Pujol P.", which possibly (or even probably) stands for "Ramón Pugol Pinxit". This could be the artist Ramón Pugol (1907–1981), but this is a rather common Catalan name, and I see no other work attributed to this Pujol in a similar style.  ​‑‑Lambiam 21:12, 3 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 4

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Australian biosecurity officers

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Ultimately, what government ministry oversees the biosecurity officers at international airports? Are they part of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry or Health, Disability and Ageing, or are they somehow answerable to both, or perhaps part of the Border Force? Unfortunately the Biosecurity in Australia article doesn't address this question, and https://www.biosecurity.gov.au/about — a website operated by Agriculture etc. — doesn't either. It's been a while since I travelled internationally, so I can't remember their uniforms. Nyttend (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

It seems to be a split responsibility. The current Administrative Arrangements Order, dated 13 May 2025, lists "Biosecurity, in relation to animals and plants" as the responsibility of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, and "Biosecurity, in relation to human health" as the responsibility of the Department of Health, Disability and Ageing. How that actually works at the coalface, I do not know. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:01, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I'd guess (following a breadcrumb trail from former agencies and departments) it would be the Department of Home Affairs. It would be handy though if someone who's actually crossed the Australian border has any documentation they picked up at the time. Daveosaurus (talk) 23:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
A quick Google suggests that the Depatment of Agriculture sets the standards [3], but the Border Force does the enforcement [4]. Anecdotally, Border Security: Australia's Front Line is shown on British daytime TV and I recall seeing Border Force officers confiscating packages of strange SE Asian medicine from tearful travellers. Alansplodge (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Alansplodge, your last comment reminds me of an interaction with biosecurity a couple of years ago — I had been in the US and bought some spices not available here (still in unopened McCormick packaging from Wal-Mart), and I declared it. The officers were a bit bored (I was the only person in the queue), so when I told the officers that I wasn't sure of its status, they began chatting; at one point they said basically "it's obviously not alive, and we can tell that it's a normal commercial product, so it's fine, but we have so many people who bring bags of unidentified powdered substances". Nyttend (talk) 02:26, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Living sainthood

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(blacklisted link: www.change.org/p/nominate-sam-altman-as-a-living-saint ) Is there really such a thing as living sainthood? I thought saints had to be deceased before canonization. Living saint just redirects to saint. Thanks, ~2025-38367-99 (talk) 06:10, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Someone's either trying to funny or is deluded. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots06:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The image in the petition gives a hint which of the two applies. But if the product of delusion, it is even funnier.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:26, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The Saint article mentions 'living saints' in two specific contexts, both out of Christianity – see the Buddhism and Islam sections there. --CiaPan (talk) 07:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
If it can be established that there is an ancient cult of veneration of the blessed Samuel, vicarious financial martyr through his sacrificial loss of Other People's Money, for which the nomination linked to provides some evidence, albeit only contemporary, the Pope might consider equivalent canonization.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
But, as our Saint article notes, canonisation provides an official recognition of sainthood. Saints live among us; they're just not yet recognised by the Church, and most will never be. (The article did say "...in Heaven" further down, but I just removed this because it relied on a citation from Pope Francis which also says there are saints on earth.) Marnanel (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The website referred to by the OP can be read as bitter sarcasm. The proposal for a living sainthood is an ironic emphasis on the societal benefits (vs a potential dystopia) of Sam Altman´s involvement in AI. To "AI or not to AI" is a complex and controversial topic. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 09:41, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
As a cynical observation: If literate speakers of the English language can´t differentiate between a neutral declarative statement and satyrical hyperbole, we should do something to support NI (natural intelligence)... --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Methinks the reference desk does what it can, but if you have further-reaching ideas, let's hear them.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:27, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks all. Yes I was particularly asking about the RCC or at least Christianity, since the petition proposes requesting the Pope to confer sainthood, iirc. Among non-Christian magesteria, I know that at least in the Church of Emacs, Saint IGNUcius is definitely still with us. For Altman, I hope that the dilemma is not resolved by the recent jump in DRAM prices resulting in Altman's martyrdom. But if that happens, then at least he would be able to become a saint in the, um, canonical manner. ~2025-38367-99 (talk) 01:36, 7 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Bell X-2 Speed Record

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The current article for the Bell X-2 research airplane states that test pilot Mel Apt was the first person to exceed Mach 3, doing so on September 27th 1956 moments before dying when the plane crashed. However, the article also states that, 20 days earlier, fellow test pilot Iven Kincheloe reached an altitude of 126,500 ft and a maximum speed of 2000 mph. That said, though, other sources I have read say Kincheloe's top speed was 1500 mph, but the FAI accepts the 2000 mph figure, as does the US Air Force Museum. If Kincheloe did indeed reach 2000 mph, given the speed of sound at 126,000 feet, is it possible that he, not Apt, ought to be credited as the first person to reach Mach 3? ~2025-38533-33 (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Search engine enquiries which yielded impressive looking calculations inform me that at this altitude Mach 1 is approximately 704 mph (thus Mach 3 = 2,112 mph), but also (of course) that the speed of sound in air is dependent on its temperature and density, both of which can vary. I presume that these factors may have been measured at the time, and that the researchers might have mentioned if Kincheloe had indeed attained Mach 3; however the above suggests that given average conditions, Kincheloe fell at least 5.6% short.
In the absence of a Reliable source commenting on the matter, the above of course qualifies as speculation and Original research, so has no place in the article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 20:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough. That said, I've seen conflicting statements of exactly what Mach 1 at 126,000 ft is, with some placing it, as you do, at 704 mph but others placing it as low as 660 mph. I'll have to do more research into this, but until I do I'll refrain from changing anything in the article.
Thanks! ~2025-38533-33 (talk) 21:34, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
An online dedicated "Speed of Sound Calculator", linked to from Speed of sound § External links, returns 719 mph, assuming a temperature of 2.9 °F. This would make 2000&mph equivalent to (almost) Mach 2.8.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:18, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 5

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when did the press start using ww2 was it the invasion of Poland or 111118 DMc75771 (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

The earliest cite in the OED Online is for 1919, when the Manchester Guardian used "World War No. 2" as a heading. (Obviously they were speculating about the future.) The next cite is from Time (magazine) in 1939, a week after the invasion of Poland: "Some of the diplomatic juggling which last week ended in World War II was old-fashioned international jockeying for power." --~2025-38436-32 (talk) 07:08, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Well found. This seems important enough that I uploaded and transcribed the article.
 
Oddly enough, it wasn't speculating about the future: it was describing the social conditions after WW1 as a new kind of "war". Marnanel (talk) 15:04, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Note that the term "Second World War" is official the British designation and follows established usage; there is no Boer War II or Anglo-Dutch War III. Alansplodge (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
That is almost the same question as "When did 'The Great War' become 'World War One'?" -- Verbarson  talkedits 13:43, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

How to become a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States?

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How does one become a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States? I know one has to graduate from law school and become a lawyer to be appointed as a judge by the President of the United States. Is there an age and citizenship requirement? Do justices get VIP treatment like bodyguards due to their high-ranking status? Are they considered very important persons due to them being high-ranking government officials? Are they considered to be celebrities? WJetChao (talk) 06:40, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

The Supreme Court is established by Article Three of the United States Constitution. As far as I can see it does not require any qualifications at all for who may sit on the court, not even age or citizenship, much less status as a lawyer. I do not know whether Congress has established any such qualifications by statute. I imagine that would be within their authority; this does not seem to be explicit in the article, but they do establish, for example, the number of justices. --Trovatore (talk) 06:58, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
For the procedure and requirements, see Nomination and confirmation to the Supreme Court of the United States.
VIP-hood is not a formal status; the level of deference with which the SCOTUS justices are treated is up to any hosting organization or similar. The US is somewhat peculiar in that many citizens can name all SCOTUS members. In most countries, the appointment of members of the highest national judicial court is not a news item. An overwhelming majority of people would not be able to name even a single member of this court and would also not recognize their names, and the members will not expect, in general, any special treatment beyond standard courtesy.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Changes in the ANAP Ideology According to the Manifesto Project Database

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According to data from the Manifesto Project Database, the ANAP's election manifesto in the 1999 Turkish general election suddenly shifted sharply to the left compared to 1995 — to the point that it became more left-wing than established social-democratic parties such as the CHP and the DSP. Statistically, it jumped from being the second-most right-wing party to the most left-wing one.

This really surprised me, because in my impression the ANAP has always been a center-right party. So the question is: Did the ANAP actually undergo a major ideological shift during this period, or is there a problem with the Manifesto Project Database’s coding/methodology, or is something else going on? Ataled (talk) 11:53, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

(ANAP refers to the Motherland Party (Turkey).  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:39, 5 December 2025 (UTC))Reply
I've not looked at the Manifesto Project Database, but I suppose that any appearance of a shift to the left was an optical illusion designed to deceive the electorate. If so, it did not help. The government at the time was an ANAP-led coalition whose other members were the Democratic Left Party and the Democrat Turkey Party. ANAP lost 46 of its 132 parliamentary seats in the 1999 Turkish general election, a stunning defeat. To remain in the government after this defeat, they had to join again a coalition, now led by the Democratic Left Party but also containing the far-right Nationalist Movement Party (think Grey Wolves), which they did without qualms.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:00, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Names of Maria Yellow Horse Brave Heart

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What is the root of the names of Maria Yellow Horse Brave Heart? Brave Heart is used as her de facto family name in the article... but I don't assume that she was born into a family with this family name & has received the given names Maria, Yellow, and Horse?! --KnightMove (talk) 14:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Why not? Dr Brave Heart is Lakota, and this is the way Lakota names work. You've probably heard of Sitting Bull or Crazy Horse. Marnanel (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Of course, but that does not help directly - even the less as those persons were far from having family names. Was she named Yellow Horse at first, Brave Heart later, or the other way round? Or otherwise? Who gave her the "White" name Maria then? --KnightMove (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps Wikipedia should have an article on Native American naming customs, like we have on Roman naming conventions, Naming customs of Hispanic America and Naming conventions of the Tamilakam. Lacking this, here is an article titled "The Multifaceted Native American Naming Tradition".  ​‑‑Lambiam 22:09, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
It appears she's still alive. Maybe the OP could write to her and ask. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots01:27, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Looks like her profile has a phone number and email address for contact here aaronneallucas (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I do not think I will bother her with this and just accept that it is unknown. As she, a bit inconsistently, treats either "Brave Heart" or "Yellow Horse Brave Heart" as her de facto family name, I will just accept that these are two Lakota names she has received at any stages in her life. --KnightMove (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
It's likely to be known to her. It comes down to how badly you want to know the answer? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots16:20, 7 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Mainly I wanted to know how to address her Name in the German counterpart of Braveheart (disambiguation). Being sure now that it's not her family name, I am satisfied. --KnightMove (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Big Mel Gibson fan? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:46, 5 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I did wonder if she was Scottish? HiLo48 (talk) 03:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 6

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What academic degree was a "Pd. B." awarded in Missouri, USA in 1904?

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A 1952 obituary (Newspapers.com link) mentions its subject Mr. Irion graduating with a "Pd. B." in 1904 from Southeast Missouri State College before getting an A.B. and B.S. in Education in 1911.

What is the full name for the academic degree "Pd. B."? It's not clear to me what degree that would be, issued before a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Science. Lovelano (talk) 04:51, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

I don't know the answer, but FYI, you need a newspapers.com subscription to view that page. --Viennese Waltz 05:23, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Probably "Bachelor of Pedagogy", as mentioned on p.316 of this book [5] (p.118 of the pdf). --Viennese Waltz 05:30, 6 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Indeed, Southeast Missouri was a Normal school in 1904. DuncanHill (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Viennese Waltz Thanks for looking up that book! Lovelano (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 7

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Is this a fake poster? San Ferry Ann

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Our article San Ferry Ann is illustrated with an alleged poster for the film. The poster is sourced to IMDB. The poster is obviously an over-painting of the poster for Father Came Too. Is it a genuine poster or something someone made up one day and which ended up on the internet? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 01:10, 7 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

It does seem highly suspicious. Wilfrid Brambell looks nothing like the obvious caricature of James Robertson Justice, and neither he nor David Lodge even have beards in the film. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
There's an explanation here on a collector's site; "A terrible mishmash of a poster where apparently the Australian poster artist had no original U.K. material of San Ferry Ann ( 1965 ) at hand to copy from". Abductive (reasoning) 10:49, 7 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I have websearched for the original poster art for San Ferry Ann without success. The British Film Institute archives website is currently experiencing technical difficulties. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 03:26, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks all. I take it the triangular "Passed for general exhibition" logo is Australian then? DuncanHill (talk) 14:40, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The classification was also British;[6] it appears to have been common in several regions of the realm. But the triangle logo appears to have been specifically Australian.[7] In fact, the Australian Classification Board uses a triangle to this day, but now with just a large 𝗚 as text.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:34, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, I was familiar with the British use of "passed for general exhibition", but had never seen the triangle before. DuncanHill (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 8

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Did Masaniello paint his face black?

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There's a song by Pino Daniele called "Je so' pazzo" (covered by Neri per Caso) in which the singer is speaking as Masaniello. It implies that he painted his face black (I don't use the word "blackface" because that comes with a different cultural context).

Lyrics:

Je so' pazz, je so' pazz
Ma chi dice che Masaniell
Poi nero non sia più bell?
Non sono menomat
Sono pure diplomat
E la faccia nera l'ho dipinta per essere notat

But I can't find anything that says even that this happened, much less why. I tried asking Google Masaniello si dipinse la faccia di nero?, and the AI summary says yes, but when you go into the deep dive it says no. Did Daniele just invent this, or is it part of some folk account? --Trovatore (talk) 05:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

I do not speak Italian but I have read that idiomatically, a black face in Italian may refer to a gloomy or disappointed or angry facial expression. Is that a possible explanation? Cullen328 (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
 
Masianello is described as bruno di carnagione,[8] and the terracotta statue of Masaniello by Raffaele Vaccarella has indeed been given a rather dark complexion. Perhaps this plays a role.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:15, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Google isn’t always reliable. In fact, it can sometimes provide misleading answers. He-who-knows-everything (talk) 22:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
"the AI summary says yes, but when you go into the deep dive it says no"—I think there is a lesson to be learned from that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:13, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
A lesson about what? If you mean about AI summaries, sure, I already got that. If you mean about my question, I don't really see how. --Trovatore (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Those horrible health huts

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In the short story 'The Crown Derby Plate' by Marjorie Bowen, first published in 1933, Miss Pym is visiting a remote house on the edge of Fenland. The occupant is of an odd, unkept, and dirty appearance, and the house itself appears not be lived in. When Miss Pym asks "Where do you live, Miss Lefain?", she receives the reply "Mostly in the garden", and to this "Miss Pym thought of those horrible health huts that some people indulge in". What were those horrible health huts? Unfortunately Google is obsessed with 1950s California proto-hippies. Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 19:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Also lots of village clinics in developing countries, but nothing pertinent I'm afraid. Alansplodge (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I found a reference to a 1958 restaurant called the 'Health Hut' in The Origin of Hippie in Europe 1880 to 1940 by Anne Hill Fernie, which led me vaguely towards John Hargrave (misspelt as Hargreaves on the web page) and Kibbo Kift, which has a 'feel' of what you are looking for, and started in the UK in the early 1930s1920s. -- Verbarson  talkedits 09:21, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Almost all early uses (pre-1940) found are for simple health clinics, not for dwellings. An early use that may perhaps refer to a dwelling, in which case it does little to explain the notion, but might also refer to a health clinic, is in Appendix Volume III to a report by the Indian Famine Commission. The appendix bears the title Evidence of Witnesses from the Bombay Presidency taken before the India Famine Commission, 1898. The following is from page 226, reporting on good care taken of a poor woman whose hut had been flooded and who had to be evacuated with her child to "a place of safety":[9]
A few days later I came across them again in a health hut.
Since Bowen appears to have assumed her readers to be familiar with a notion of health huts as dwellings, it is curious that there are not many more uses.  ​‑‑Lambiam 10:14, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I got the impression she meant some kind of health fad, like monkey glands and radium. Fresh air was something of a cure-all for a time. DuncanHill (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Me too; perhaps what we would call a gym, for whirling Indian clubs and the like. I think Charles Darwin used a hut in his garden at Downe, for drenching himself with freezing water and other tactics to cure his lassitude and excessive flatulence. Johnbod (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Not specifically relevant, but along the same lines, the Naturist movement in England got going in the 1920s. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.1905} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
It seems to refer to a kind of sanatorium or spa, but those typically heavily emphasized various water treatments (balneotherapy), leaving their victims patients anything but dirty or unkempt. Matt Deres (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 9

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King's Birthday in Western Australia

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King's Official Birthday#Australia notes that the King's Birthday has no fixed date in WA, being determined annually by a proclamation by the Governor. How far ahead of time is the proclamation typically made, and how easy is it to predict the date beforehand if you know the dates of school terms and the Perth Royal Show? I assume it's awkward for holidaymakers, calendar manufacturers, and the like, unless governments' date choices tend to be predictable; if they aren't, I can imagine allegations of corruption along the lines of Julian calendar#Motivation, second paragraph, but that seems very unlikely for a country like Australia. Nyttend (talk) 02:33, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

The proclamation for the 2026 and 2027 occurrences of the "Celebration Day for the Anniversary of the Birthday of the Reigning Sovereign" was made in May 2024.[10] Hack (talk) 06:19, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
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Our article Michael Carver says "Carver's mother was related to Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington", citing Heathcote, Tony (1999). The British Field Marshals 1736–1997. Barnsley: Pen and Sword Books. p. 75. ISBN 0-85052-696-5., which says his mother was "proud of her distant connections with the family of the Duke of Wellington". She was born Winifred Anne Gabrielle Wellesley, the daughter of Courtenay Wellesley, of Dallas, Texas, one of the "ex-patriot [sic] employees of a British company called Texas Land & Mortgage". Our article Thomas Bayley Potter says that "Texas Land & Mortgage, a Scottish company managed by the Irish Courtenay Wellesley". The Guardian obituary of Lord Carver says he was descended from the Duke of Wellington through his mother. So, just what was, and how distant, the connexion? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 16:59, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

I don't know the answer, but I do know a much more interesting connection: between Wellington and his Waterloo nemesis Napoleon.
In a comment on a blog post[11] I found this:
Courtenay Edward Wellesley was born in 1850, the son of Edward Wellesley, an army officer who died in the Crimea War. Major Wellesley was the second son of Richard Wellesley, the illegitimate son of the Marquis Wellesley, the elder brother of the first Duke of Wellington. There is a great deal of information on Courtney Wellesey's father and immediate relations in 'Letters of a Victorian army officer: Edward Wellesley 1840-1854' edited by Michael Carver, in fact Field Marshall Lord Carver, a grandson through Edward Courtenay Wellesley's second marriage to a lady called Nora Scovell.
 ​‑‑Lambiam 21:24, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Lambiam: Thank you, The Guardian shewing its usual eye for detail then! @JackofOz:, that would make an even better pub quiz question than the only first-class cricketer to have won a Nobel Prize! DuncanHill (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 10

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Who was Blackwood's "M. S.-K."

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Pan's Garden by Algernon Blackwood is dedicated "To M. S.-K. who made with me these little paths across Pan's tangled garden". I can't see anyone in our article on Blackwood with those initials. Do we know who it was? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 17:28, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Apparently this, like several others of Blackwood's books, was dedicated to Maya Stuart-King, a married lady with whom he was "romantically involved". More details on her colourful life can be found here (p. 82). --Antiquary (talk) 18:09, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 21:29, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Perception of Music

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Is experiencing music generally considered an example of qualia? I have no idea how others perceive anything from before Bach to after Rosalia, but whenever I am listening to complex compositions, I see (not at all clearly) some biomorph 3D geometric forms which are shape-shifting, subject to some symphonic / instrumental metamorphosis. Remotely similar to an animated Frank Gehry building floating in the sky, bubbling and pulsating.

Googling gives some prolix psychological papers, but I find no clear definitions to what entails auditory perception. Neither am I sure if my spatial perception actually exists or is just a bit of imaginative hallucination; I do extensive work in 3D modelling and have great interest in the visual arts, from painting to architecture to cinematography, so I am possibly just "transcribing" my cerebral emotive (?) response to a language I am familiar with.

Thanks to anybody responding to this query. Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Some information in synesthesia and a website called The Synesthesia Tree. Alansplodge (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Because of the "other minds problem", we cannot know whether anyone other than ourselves has a subjective, conscious experience – whatever that may mean. The philosophers who write about qualia rarely (or perhaps never) mention the experiencing of, specifically, music, as a quale. But timbre is often described as "colour", which in its visual sense is the poster child of the qualia posse, and few people will disagree with the statement that experiencing music can be a subjective conscious experience, one that is very different for music by one's favorite artist or composer than for some other compositions, which one may even strongly dislike. As such it fits the definition.
Your synesthetic experience, which I think is fairly rare in this specific form, is unrelated to the initial question. (It may be related to what the The Synesthesia Tree labels as "timbre–shape".) It seems to me that it wouldn't qualify as an emotive response. For most people, auditory perception has no visual aspect, and any spatial aspect is restricted to where the sound is coming from, relative to the subject.  ​‑‑Lambiam 01:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
There are people whose perception of music includes visions of colours, in a fairly consistent way – see Chromesthesia. At least two active music reviewers on YouTube mention this, and it adds to their appreciation and understanding of the relationships of keys and harmonies in a piece. The French composer Olivier Messiaen used his synesthesic mental colour perceptions as part of his composing technique and mentioned the colours in his written scores, and the Russian Alexander Scriabin constructed a colour-light accompaniment to his symphony Prometheus.
Your experience seems along the same lines, and I suspect is not particularly uncommon, but simply something that people do not often talk about. I myself (to be anecdotal) do not have marked synesthesia, but certain types of music evoke mental images to me, typically of natural landscapes, and especially when I am drowsy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 06:53, 11 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I suspect you mean Rosalía. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:09, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Oops and Thank you! Sorry, I did not verify the link when typing... --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 19:55, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM: I'm fairly sure that synaesthesia applies in this case to composers like Messiaen, Scriabin and Rachmaninoff, who associated musical keys with specific colours; eg B flat major = purple. Sadly, they all had different conceptions of which keys matched which hue. Do you visualise consistent geometric forms, e.g. according to the key such as E flat major vs C sharp minor, type of music eg violin concerto vs piano concerto, or late romantic symphony vs lute sonata? Can you hold them in mind, or do they inavariably morph into some other shape? MinorProphet (talk) 14:50, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 11

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publicly traded company

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There's a company XYZ traded on NASDAQ whose stock went down the toilet over the past couple of years. It's now a penny stock if I'm using the term correctly. Its main product is basically crap and nobody buys it, competitors' stuff is better and cheaper, and now the product itself might be dangerous enough (design defect) to warrant a recall that the company probably can't afford. On the other hand, the company is making noise about some new dubious deals in the works. Anyway I tend to think that all things considered, the company is worth less than zero and is headed for bankruptcy. It does have some nice retail channel deals that might be useful if the product was more attractive. Current revenues maybe a few million US$ a year, down from maybe 10x that a few years ago, but I haven't checked the numbers so these are just guesses.

That said, there are lots of other, more competent companies operating in the sector, that are privately held. I know sometimes a crappy publicly traded company will get acquired by a privately held one as kind of a backdoor IPO. The private company "merges" with the public one and boom, it's on the exchange without going through the whole SEC process.

Any idea of the value of a NASDAQ listing as a company asset for such purposes? I'm not seriously looking for investment advice (I'm too broke), but am just trying to size up the picture. Thanks. ~2025-39770-07 (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

See Backdoor listing. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 19:36, 11 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! That's exactly what I was describing. I guess I can look up examples. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 07:17, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 12

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Terms and conditions written in all caps

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In the US, it seems to be common that privacy policies, disclaimers, terms & condition and similar documents contain sections written entirely in uppercase (or occasionally, the whole document is written in uppercase). Why is this the case? It makes it rather difficult to read and I don't see how it would make a legal difference to use normal capitalisation. This practice does not seem common in other countries, even those with similar legal systems. ~2025-40120-30 (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

"Words, phrases, and entire sections of legal agreements are often capitalized to make them more conspicuous than the rest of the text around them. This tried-and-true practice has been around for ages and is still widely used today because it's a simple and effective way to make important content stand out." privacypolicies.com
A far cry from the TV ads (e.g. about analgesics, etc) that have equally important information at the bottom but in multiple sentences in very tiny print, which is displayed for about a second. How this satisfies some legal obligation to adequately warn consumers is beyond me. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:20, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Deciphering the all-caps final section and rendering it in understandable language tends to result in:
We have never claimed, do not claim and will never claim that this product is suitable for any use, and cannot accept responsibility for the damage caused by its use,
 ​‑‑Lambiam 18:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I keep seeing these Big Pharma TV ads for drugs claiming to cure some non-fatal medical condition or other with a long list of no-doubt legally mandated disclaimers, including possible more serious consequences of usage, up to and including death (though that would "cure" one). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
It all has to do with conspicuousness. Under UCC § 1-201(b)(10), a term is "conspicuous" if a reasonable person ought to have noticed it. "Conspicuous terms include the following: (A) a heading in capitals equal to or greater in size than the surrounding text, or in contrasting type, font, or color to the surrounding text of the same or lesser size..." Certain clauses in contracts only count if they are conspicuous. For example, to disclaim the implied warranty of merchantability, UCC requires the disclaimer be conspicuous; hence, THIS PRODUCT IS SOLD AS IS. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 04:19, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Aka YOU CAN"T SUE US. NYAAH, NYAAH, NYAAH, NYAAH, NYAAH! Clarityfiend (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Kinda. But (at least in US law) there is an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing that all the bold face all caps you can dream of won't eliminate. Signed, last-week 1L. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 03:35, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

London bus in 'The Untouchables'?

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What model of London bus is seen in the film The Untouchables? (It's also visible in the first 15 seconds of the trailer on IMDb.)

When was that model introduced? The film is set in 1930. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:59, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

According to IMCDB it's an AEC Regent III RT (1939), or perhaps a BMMO D7 "mauled about a bit". It's not a great angle (in the trailer), and of course you could build any body you wanted onto a chassis. The one in the trailer has the rear platform on the left, so built for an driving on the left. DuncanHill (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Since the movie is set in Chicago, including the scene in the trailer, that's not a "London bus" unless it was imported from there. Double-decker buses are used for sightseeing in Chicago today, but I don't know if that was true in 1930. --~2025-40985-10 (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
A quick look at newspapers.com (pay site) indicates Chicago had double decker buses by the 1920s. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots21:32, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The relevant date in 1987, which is when the film was made. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

December 13

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Saints in hell, per Dante

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In Inferno, which saints appear in torment? (Looking for those considered saints by the Catholic Church in the 21st century.) I'm well aware of Pope St Celestine V likely being the one who made the great refusal, but I don't know if there are others, and Google searches are full of irrelevancies. Nyttend (talk) 01:39, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Nyttend I couldn't find a secondary source that gives a concise list, but Longfellow's verse translation is here should you wish to research it yourself. Alansplodge (talk) 15:45, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Liability apportionment

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Not seeking advice, but trying to understand some drama unfolding on the interweb.

Let's say a house burns down. Luckily no one is injured, but there is $500K of damage. The homeowner suspects a certain appliance of causing the fire. Claims adjuster or other investigator carefully inspects the debris and makes official report saying "cause of the fire can't be established with certainty, but our best estimate is that there's 20% chance that it was caused by short circuit resulting from a design defect in appliance X". Lawyers get involved.

Does that tend to result in the appliance manufacturer getting apportioned 20% of the liability? Or does the manufacturer say "our appliance is perfectly safe, even the mean mean investigator says we probably had nothing to do with it" and not get any responsibility at all?

What if (very simplified situation) there are 100 fires, differing in enough detail that they can be considered independent events, but each investigator report says about the same thing (20% chance that appliance X started the fire)? If the reports are right, expectation is that 20 of the 100 fires were started by the appliance, though we don't know which 20. Manufacturer might dispute the number 20, but if they say it's 0 they are almost surely talking nonsense.

What happens then?

Thanks. ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 06:59, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

I'm fairly sure there are no rules on the book (meaning legislative statutes) regulating this in detail in any jurisdiction. Answers can only be based on existing jurisprudence from similar cases that have been adjudicated in the past. This will differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Also, I'm not familiar with fire investigation reports, but I'd be somewhat surprised if they assign numerical percentage values to causes that cannot be ruled out.
Suspending disbelief, it is entirely plausible that the appliance manufacturer will deny any alleged liability, also in a limited apportionment. Why should they? It only makes them more vulnerable in similar cases. They may instead blame faulty installation, or misuse. Only when unequivocally proved to be the cause, or substantially more evidence comes to light of their appliance being so dangerous as to create liability, can one expect them to react, which may involve a very costly recall.
Almost every major accident or disaster has several contributing causes. A failing sensor had not been serviced in time, the backup unit was under repair and out of order, the emergency shut-off valve was improperly installed and got stuck, ..., you get the picture. It is possible that the origin-and-cause part of a fire investigation identifies, with certainty, several causes that conspired to cause the damage. It is then meaningless to assign chances; each certainly contributed, so each can be stated as a contributing cause with "100% chance". But, obviously, not all can lead to 100% liability. The situation will differ from case to case, and may need to be settled in court.  ​‑‑Lambiam 12:42, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Under which jurisdiction? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks both. The company is based in Nevada, US, but sells stuff all over the US and to some extent worldwide, so potentially lots of cross-jurisdictional disputes. I'm just watching the drama from the outside so I'll see what happens. (Popcorn emoji here). ~2025-40343-80 (talk) 07:15, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
From my dimly remembered past life in the London insurance market, the principle here is called apportionment. Alansplodge (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

William F. Northend (1887-1968), English artist and printer

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Can anyone add anything about William F. Northend (Q137380497) to the scant information and thin sources I have gathered on Wikidata? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Illustrated editions of the works of William Morris in English : a descriptive bibliography, p 29, has some biographical detail. -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Great find, thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:47, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

He who thinks of Himachal...

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In Smythe, F. S. "Explorarions in Garwhal around Kamet". The Geographical Journal. 79 (1). London: Royal Geographical Society: 3. doi:10.2307/1784513. JSTOR 1784513., Frank Smythe quotes "the Hindu scribe" who wrote:

He who thinks of Himachal [the Himalayan snows], though he should not behold him, is greater than he who performs all worship in Kashi [Benares]. And he who thinks on Himachal shall have pardon for all sins; and all things that die on Himachal, and all things that in dying think of his snows, are freed from sin. In a hundred ages of the Gods I could not tell thee of the glories of Himachal, where Siva lived and where the Ganges fails from the foot of Vishnu like the slender thread of a lotus flower.

I would be interested to know the source that Smythe was quoting. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 17:41, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Parabola : Magazine of Myth and Tradition Vol. XIII, No. 4: November, 1988 Issue on THE MOUNTAIN credits it: "From the Manasakhanda of the Skanda Purana". Likewise The Himalayan Gazetteer vVol II Part I. There are many who quote it, but few who give credit. -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:11, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

The Madonna on the Dent du Geant

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There is a metal statue of a Madonna on the Dent du Geant. Do we know who put it there and when? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

I haven't found a sculptor, but successive editions of Baedeker date it 1904.[12] --Antiquary (talk) 11:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
There is a wide-ranging discussion on UKClimbing.com that suggests there are many such statues, some dating back centuries. -- Verbarson  talkedits 13:27, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The statue was reportedly originally placed there by members of the Società delle Guide Alpine di Courmayeur on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the proclamation in 1854 of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Hit by lightning in 1958, it broke loose and toppled down. It was retrieved and placed in the Museo Alpino di Courmayeur, from which it was moved in 2001 to the Notre Dame de Guérison sanctuary, where it (presumably) remains to this day. A wooden statue was put on the same summit of the Dent du Géant, sculpted by local artist Mario Stuffer, but in just a few days it too was struck by lightning. There are references to an aluminium version, according to some the original, according to others a much later temporary replacement. Another source refers to le precedenti in legio d'aluminio, the predecessors (plural!) in aluminium alloy.[13] According to the same source, a new bronze statue, a faithful reproduction (presumably of the original), replaced the damaged (aluminium) statue in 2010. The name of the original sculptor is not mentioned in any of multiple sources and may have been lost.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:28, 14 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

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'Gretorne'(?) pottery overstamp

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What is the overstamp on this pottery mark? It looks like "Gretorne", but that finds no relevant Google hits. Neither does "Geryorne". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:44, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Bretonne - Britany perhaps? Johnbod (talk) 18:49, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The following site has an extensive, searchable listing of Grindley patterns.
https://www.replacements.com/china-grindley/b/001-800542
"Creampetal" appears to be a general description for a type of pottery with various patterns. I can't see a match for the word in question but there are other search options (colour, trim, style) to try if you have other images of the piece. Dalliance (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Bretoine is a rare French surname,[14] like the name Bretaine[15] presumably one of many variant spellings of Old French Bretaigne, which also occurs as a surname.[16]  ​‑‑Lambiam 19:58, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
To be clear "Bretonne" is the adjectival form of Bretagne = Britany, used in French in all sorts of contexts. I'm fairly sure this is the correct reading. Johnbod (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
The overstamp looks like the retailer's mark, not the potter's. DuncanHill (talk) 19:59, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Transatlantic phone call

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International call is sorely lacking in historical info and History of the telephone mentions only that the first transatlantic call was from the US to the UK in 1927.

I'm wondering how big a deal it was to do that in, say, 1947, particularly from the UK to the eastern US. Would it be extravagant to make such a call (say 3 minutes long) for non-momentous personal or business reasons? How much would it cost? What would you have to do to set it up with international phone operators or whatever? Was cable telegraphy a lot cheaper? Was paper mail the ordinary way to communicate? I'm presuming sea mail took forever just like now, but air mail might be a few days. Thanks. ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

The first transatlantic telephone call – by radio, not wire – took place January 7, 1927, between AT&T president Walter S. Gifford and Sir Evelyn P. Murray, head of the British General Post Office. [1]
In 1930, the New York-London call was reduced from $45 to $30 for the first three minutes. On the basis of personal income, that’s roughly from $845 to $564 [2] in 2024, although there are very wide variations in computing prices then and now.
Only at the end of the 20th century was it possible to dial directly across the ocean; prior to that , one called the international operator, and probably had to wait several minutes or even an hour to be called back with a connection to the other end. Cables (telegraphs), telexes, and telephone telegrams (call and dictate a message, which would be delivered in print to the other end, perhaps the same day) were much cheaper.
Postal (snail) mail might take a week, or a month, or longer, to cross the ocean. Domestic deliveries in the US might be possible on the same day, where there were two deliveries per day and more capacity than demand.DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 01:31, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
When I was a child in the early 1960s my father would call to us in London from the US if he was away for several days. It was a big deal and the calls kept pretty brief - rather like later astronaut family calls. Don't know what the actual cost was. When he was home though he sometimes had long calls from corporate clients in the US. I think air mail letters only took a few days then - less than a week. Johnbod (talk) 02:42, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, yeah, that 1930 price tells me something, but I'm guessing there were developments between then and post-WW2. Meanwhile, Transatlantic communications cable says the first such telephone cable was laid in the 1950s, so 1947 would still have been radio. Transatlantic telegraph cables went back to the 1850's and the linked article about them is pretty interesting. ~2025-40867-45 (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
See also Telstar Chuntuk (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

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