Talk:Deep state

Lebanon's Hezbollah.

I don't think they are really a state within a state. They are too public. Officially a political party. The electoral system in Lebanon encourages organizations like Hezballah. They are really a so called Non State Actor. Comment: I disagree: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_social_services - If a party has it's own military/Terror group, they are funded by a foreign country with foreign policies and foreign interests out side of Lebanon, they have their own social services only for their own, and have their own medical system ... Guess what: They are a state within a state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgberg (talk • contribs) 10:26, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

They effectively run (or rather, ran) southern Lebanon for most of the past two decades. Thats what the concept is referring to, but now the page has been redirected, so it doesnt make sense. Hezbollah is a state within a state, but not a deep state. Metallurgist (talk) 01:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

And in addition to Hezbollah not being a deep state, more importantly, this article does not ever define "Deep state" as meaning "state within a state." In fact the phrase "state within a state" only appears in two mentions in our entire article, both referring to the "speculation" of a single German poet from 1788; neither of which either state or imply that this is a definition or even widely accepted terminology. Unless reliable sources explicitly refer to Hezbollah as a "deep state", it's not suitable for inclusion.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 19:08, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

This article is biased.

There is far more evidence of a "deep state" than is being portrayed. The concept was around long before Trump. Why is the whole article just about a judgement of a political disagreement? A substantial portion of the population is keenly aware of this, and it is not so summarily dismissed outside of the media environment. 108.183.147.43 (talk) 15:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Deep State definition

The first definiton paragraph is unclear and requires improvement. Even if a body 'Behaves like' a government, the word Government should'nt be used to describe it: 1) A for clarity reasons - people may think it is The Government (elected) you are referring to, and you are not. 2) If it is a "Like-government" or "Shadow Government" then say so. Using the words " type of government' would indicate that it is a legitimate Government body of the ligitimate types, such as Republic, Social Democracy, Presidential, etc. I suggest that the first sentence be cleasr so that the reader knows right away that: a) It is an illegitimate form of government. b) Not elected and often hidden. 2A06:C701:7469:9E00:28B1:3C0F:9EDD:A5E2 (talk) 10:15, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Needs More Background

The article needs to explore the concept of the deep state in greater depth and provide a more thorough examination of its origins. Quickdrew (talk) 06:59, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

I created the Foundations of the deep state concept adding a decent amount of research into it. I more focused on the fear of deep states rather than the actual deep states themselves. This wasn't intentional, it may need more arguments or historic examples of deep states in actions. I might return to explore the post-ww2 world order, cold war secrecy, and intelligence agencies. Quickdrew (talk) 03:12, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Romania missing

There were a lot of lies thrown around by Dragnea that he is hounded down by the deep state (translated in Romanian by "parallel state") and of course, that assassins tried to kill him, also implying Soros was behind it (but let's ignore that). Of course all were victimizing lies meant to tighten his control until he was sent to jail and then magically, all deep state references were gone (by this I mean the news agencies paid by his Party would propagate this propaganda, but once he lost power and was sentenced, all those so-called-news were gone, no more "deep state"). As a final mention, the only reason Dragnea combined "deep state" and "Soros" theories was because they were "trendy" at that time, and as many know, dictators love having "enemies", even made up ones

State within a state

I am not sure that redirecting state within a state to this page is accurate or a good idea. There are numerous examples, such as Hezbollah above, and a more obscure reference I am using to refer to a substate or parastate, that should probably be a separate article, with perhaps a for template. Metallurgist (talk) 01:33, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Deep Alid State a historical example

We can add Abbasid Caliphate in this article in which Imam Musa al Kadhim has many devotees in the Caliphate, Ali ibn Yaqtin Vizer of al Hadi and treasurer of al Rashid, Jafar ibn Muhammad ibn al Ash'ath ruler of al Mashriq province (greater Khorasan) 788 - 792 and many others, even Muhammad ibn Ismail said to Harun al Rashid that there is two Caliphs on Empire al Rashid and Kadhim who has many official paying them both equal taxes. 46.213.145.122 (talk) 17:50, 8 August 2025 (UTC)