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 All / By David Skrbina
    Long ago, there was a small place in the Polish countryside where, it was said, up to 1 million human beings met their demise over the course of some 10 months. This small place, comprising only around 50 acres of land, was located about 1.5 miles from the small village of Treblinka (population circa 300)....
  • Is this STILL going on?

    I’m beginning to be reminded of Trump’s Ear, fragments of which were discovered at Butler, Pennsylvania before the spot was hastily paved over. -No, wait- That was Charlie Kirk, wasn’t it?
    Or?

  • @Kevin Barrett
    Jewish religious law prevents archeologists from digging anywhere where there are supposed to be millions of Jewish bodies but actually aren't any.

    Replies: @Abhuman, @Kingsmeg, @thotmonger, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    Why should jew religious law hold sway in Europe? Such a legal system has a lot of implications beyond the recovery of dead bodies, would these also be given priority over native law? Is there anywhere Europoids can go to be free of jewish supremacism?

  • @NRC
    @John Wear

    I do agree with you that sometimes the scenes in the camps were quite grusome with people reduced to their bones all over the place... But similar things one could often see in the streets of the german cities-there was no food in Germany and people were dropping dead like flies all over the place.
    That's what happens when you stop food from reaching the people, like in Gaza.

    Replies: @Patriot

    Both the N and the S did the same thing to prisoners during the USA Civil War — held prisoners in overcrowded, muddy, diseased concentration camps and starved them to death.

    The British did it to White Boer women and children in the late 1800’s

    Virtually all wars throughout history inflicted savage treatment of captured soldiers and civilians.

    But the World supposedly put an end to such evil barbarism after WW 2.

    • Agree: N. Joseph Potts
  • @Colin Wright
    @John Wear

    Take the Jews of Corfu. The conventional story:


    'About two hundred Jews succeeded to flee. On the dawn of the following day, the Germans arrested all the others and deported them to Auschwitz via Athens. The Nazis and the mob looted their homes and shops. Out of 1900 Jews of Corfu, about 180 survived the Holocaust. Many of them emigrated to Israel or settled in big cities. In 1946 the Community had 140 members'
     
    So it's acknowledged that about two hundred escaped being rounded up. Of those, one hundred and forty did the obvious thing and went back to their homes.

    What about the other seventeen hundred? Corfu's a very nice place; if they weren't killed, why not go back home? If not, where did they go?

    Or maybe they really were killed.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    There was a significant Jewish colony on Corfu before WW2, speaking a sort of Venetian dialect as a home language. The dialect died out, most of its speakers having been killed.

  • Eighty-three years ago, Joseph Goebbels published an essay entitled Die Krise Europas—“The European Crisis.” Like most of his essays, it was insightful and prescient. It dealt, of course, with the crisis of the moment: namely, a war turning against Germany, a resurgent Judeo-Bolshevism, and the vital role of the Jewish Question in that war. Today,...
  • The problem is not growing or diminishing number in Europe.
    “Falling number of population” is a cover-up title for the situation. There were times that Europe had half number of inhabitants, even fraction of it, and still the counties and countries were fighting each other, while producing enough for sustaining and growing. What fails is explanation just why the plummeting number of native inhabitanst are bad – and then we find that is is not impacting anybody. With all the agriculture intensity and production, there is enough food fot twices as much population in Europe than there is today – why else would corn, wheat, raps, and other agriculture product end up as FUEL”? With the authomatization, even half population is enough, and about “old pensioners” – if there is enough money for banks leaching each EU country as well as money to “socially supporting imigrants”, then there is enough money to support any number of pensioners.

  • Long ago, there was a small place in the Polish countryside where, it was said, up to 1 million human beings met their demise over the course of some 10 months. This small place, comprising only around 50 acres of land, was located about 1.5 miles from the small village of Treblinka (population circa 300)....
  • @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    How typical of you doctrinaire, agenda-driven wankers to sit back and have some (((programed AI platform))) regurgitate the standard kosher chicanery to you. Perhaps you were holed up in the basement soliciting funds for your local holohoax museum when the news came out about the great gnashing of teeth when one or more of those platforms were discovered to be agreeing with revisionist inquiries. A 'glitch' they said. The programmers got right to work making damn sure that the information regarding the hollowco$t, WW2 and Jewish malfeasance in general, would be as artificial as the intelligence.
    And here you are spewing it out like it's the untainted truth.

    Replies: @bike-anarkist

    Perhaps you were holed up in the basement soliciting funds for your local holohoax museum

    No. Too busy buggering kids.

  • @Rev. Spooner
    @xyzxy


    This idea of drawing air out recalls early claims that a “vacuum” killed the Jews—a claim quickly dropped after the war.
     

    The block quote that I have posted is from this article.
    From what I have read on this subject of the holocaust, the holocaust was never mentioned for a number of years by anyone, including the jews after the war and here the author is talking "quickly dropped after the war"
    Being a devils advocate

    Replies: @Wetzelrad, @bike-anarkist

    The Holocaust wasn’t even mentioned in the 1968 edition of the Encyclopedia Britanica.

  • @James J. O'Meara
    The origin and reason for the continued gut-level belief in this Holocaust thing is clearly the trauma felt by Ost Juden when first encountering two things unprecedented in their experience: showers and work.

    No doubt millions died from the shock of the encounter.

    Furthermore, the epigenetic effect resulted in the transfer of the trauma from generation to generation; to this day, all Jews are born with horrific memories of these traumas, which motives their activities even now.

    Replies: @bike-anarkist

    Sardonic humour is the best way to deal with the Jews.
    Probably the only way they can process the truth is when they are being made fun of.

  • Although several attempts are made in these comments to rehabilitate the Holocaust, I don’t see any that dispute the facts in the article. It seems Skrbina is correct and the bodies/ashes are not where they should be.

  • @Rev. Spooner
    @xyzxy


    This idea of drawing air out recalls early claims that a “vacuum” killed the Jews—a claim quickly dropped after the war.
     

    The block quote that I have posted is from this article.
    From what I have read on this subject of the holocaust, the holocaust was never mentioned for a number of years by anyone, including the jews after the war and here the author is talking "quickly dropped after the war"
    Being a devils advocate

    Replies: @Wetzelrad, @bike-anarkist

    It’s not true that the Holocaust was unmentioned after the war. Definitely the brand name did not come about until later, and the broad historical works of the time had little to say about it, and the popular consciousness of it did not develop until Hollywood churned out enough movies about it — but Germans were still subjected to the Allies’ atrocity propaganda as part of denazification, and many Germans were charged with ghastly crimes in kangaroo trials, and some few Jewish authors did attempt to record their stories in book form. It was in those early books and trials that efforts were made to filter out the less-credible claims like vacuum chambers and mass electrocution, with narratives generally coalescing around more-believable gas chambers. This is the point Skrbina is making.

    • Agree: John Wear
  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn't find any evidence of the so-called "resettlement" of the Jews in the East.

    If Treblinka was really a "transit camp" where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn't they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed, for which in the small camp of Treblinka no facilities existed. So...

    Replies: @Fourth Horseman, @saoirse, @Alastair Rockwell, @Wetzelrad

    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial

    He hasn’t. See his recent videos on platforms like Rumble and Odysee, or see his website: https://reeholocaust.st/

    If Treblinka was really a “transit camp” where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated?

    A nonsense question that presents no contradiction. I suppose what you mean to ask is: how could shoes be found in a warehouse in Lublin if shoes were returned to their owners? The answer is that people often own multiple pairs of shoes, plus camp authorities issued shoes to inmates from their own stocks in some cases.

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours

    It does not. Fumigating a house with no ventilation system using Zyklon-B took 24-48 hours. Fumigating clothing in a properly constructed Zyklon-B delousing chamber like those at Dachau and other camps took around an hour. Fumigating clothes in a steam autoclave like the ones at Mauthausen and other camps (supposedly including Treblinka) or like the ones on the American border took less than an hour.

    • Thanks: John Wear
  • @Dr. X
    I find it odd that no "extermination camps" or "gas chambers" were found by British or American troops in Western Europe. The alleged "extermination camps" are said to have existed wholly withing the Soviet zone, meaning we must believe uncorroborated Soviet allegations.

    Of course the USSR was perhaps the least trustworthy and one of the most murderous governments of the entire 20th century.

    It is also odd that the Soviets lied about the Katyn Massacre they perpetrated, and they escaped justice at Nuremberg for gang raping some 2 million German women.

    But of course the Soviets were our allies -- which I consider an utterly monstrous and nearly incomprehensible fact about World War II.

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star

    The US should not have sent war supplies to Stalin’s tyrannical state. It would have been better to let the Soviet Union and Germany tear each other to shreds (even more than they actually did). No matter how much the Soviet Union bled, the Great Patriotic War would have continued with the Bolsheviks in power. But they’d have been much weakened, perhaps unable to take control of eastern European countries after the war.

    Yes, that’s speculation. Obviously we can’t say for sure what would have happened. But the idea of American merchant ship crews on the “Murmansk run” dying to aid the Stalinist regime is sickening.

    • Agree: John Wear, HdC
  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Here is another point, again from Lord ChatGPT (the question at the beginning is mine):

    "Holocaust deniers ("revisionists") aver that the Reinhardt camps were situated at the border between the German narrow rail gauge and the Russian broad rail gauge, and that that was the reason for their function as "transit camps". What is the reality?"


    The "rail-gauge transfer point" argument is a well-known Holocaust denial claim, but it does not hold up when examined against the geography, railway engineering, and documentary evidence.

    The short answer is:

    It is true that the Operation Reinhard camps (Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka) lay in eastern occupied Poland, not far from the pre-1939 Soviet frontier, where the change between European standard gauge (1,435 mm) and Russian broad gauge (1,520/1,524 mm) became relevant.
    It is false that they were built because they were rail break-of-gauge stations or that their primary function was transferring passengers to broad-gauge trains.
    The geography

    When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, the German-Soviet border of 1939 ceased to exist. By the time the Reinhard camps were constructed (1942), Germany occupied hundreds of kilometers of Soviet territory beyond the old frontier.

    The camps were located:

    Bełżec – close to the former frontier.
    Sobibór – also relatively near the former frontier.
    Treblinka – considerably farther west than the actual broad-gauge network.

    None sat at an actual rail interchange where passengers routinely changed from one gauge to another.

    What happened to the rail gauge?

    One point often omitted by deniers is that after the invasion of the USSR, the Germans rapidly converted thousands of kilometers of Soviet broad-gauge track to European standard gauge so that German trains could run directly east. Railway conversion was a major engineering effort accompanying the advance into the Soviet Union. The "break of gauge" therefore moved eastward with the front rather than remaining on the 1939 border.

    Thus, by 1942 there was no operational necessity to stop transports at Bełżec, Sobibór, or Treblinka for a gauge change.
     
    Time for an "open debate" of CODOH with ChatGPT!

    Replies: @saoirse

    How typical of you doctrinaire, agenda-driven wankers to sit back and have some (((programed AI platform))) regurgitate the standard kosher chicanery to you. Perhaps you were holed up in the basement soliciting funds for your local holohoax museum when the news came out about the great gnashing of teeth when one or more of those platforms were discovered to be agreeing with revisionist inquiries. A ‘glitch’ they said. The programmers got right to work making damn sure that the information regarding the hollowco$t, WW2 and Jewish malfeasance in general, would be as artificial as the intelligence.
    And here you are spewing it out like it’s the untainted truth.

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Thanks: HdC, Annacath
    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
    @saoirse

    Perhaps you were holed up in the basement soliciting funds for your local holohoax museum

    No. Too busy buggering kids.

  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @Alastair Rockwell

    I trust Lord ChatGPT more than Lord CODOH, so I send you here His word (the question at the beginning is mine):


    "Did Franz Stangl and other leading pesonnel of the Treblinka camp confess their acts?"

    Yes—but with important qualifications. Most of the leading personnel of Treblinka did not make full, unambiguous confessions in the sense of accepting complete moral and legal responsibility. Instead, their postwar statements generally fell into three categories:

    admitting they served at Treblinka while minimizing their role,
    acknowledging that mass killing occurred but claiming they were "only following orders,"
    or denying direct participation in murder despite overwhelming evidence.
    Franz Stangl

    Stangl, the commandant of Treblinka from 1942 to 1943, consistently admitted that Treblinka was an extermination camp and that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered there. At his 1970 trial, however, he argued that he had merely carried out his assigned duties and did not personally kill anyone. He famously maintained that his conscience was "clear" because he had been obeying orders.

    After his conviction, British journalist Gitta Sereny interviewed him extensively in prison. Those interviews became the book Into That Darkness. During the interviews, Stangl described how he gradually came to see deportees as "cargo" rather than people and admitted that he had become accustomed to the killing process. Near the end of the interviews, Sereny reported that he finally acknowledged a form of guilt, saying:

    "My guilt is that I am still here."
     
    But now I guess you will resort to the usual subterfuge that poor Stangl was tortured.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @John Wear

    ChatGPT writes about Franz Stangl and other personnel at Treblinka: “their postwar statements generally fell into three categories:

    admitting they served at Treblinka while minimizing their role,
    acknowledging that mass killing occurred but claiming they were ‘only following orders,’
    or denying direct participation in murder despite overwhelming evidence.”

    My response: Numerous legal experts, scholars and lawmakers have commented on the unfairness of the International Military Tribunal (IMT) and other Allied-run postwar trials. Although these trials had an appearance of fairness in a courtroom setting, they were organized not to dispense impartial justice, but for political purposes. The victorious Allies had control over the judges, prosecution, defense, and execution of the surviving German leaders.

    As with other German defendants in the Allied-run postwar trials, Stangl was in no position to contest that Germany had a mass extermination program against Jews. If he had testified that no extermination program had existed, any leniency shown by the court in the judgment would have been tantamount to the court’s conceding the possible untruth of the extermination claim. This was a political impossibility. (Source: Butz, Arthur R., The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, Newport Beach, Cal.: Institute for Historical Review, 1993, pp. 181-182).

    Carlo Mattogno writes about the inability of German defendants to give honest testimony at the Belzec trial:

    “By 1965, when the Belzec trial took place in Munich, the official historical and legal framework had been so firmly established that the defendants, in the hope of minimizing their sentences, could not but accept it unconditionally and proffer painful ‘confessions’.” (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, Belzec: In Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research & History, Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2011, p. 41).

    So, in my opinion, German defendants who had alleged experience with the gassings at Treblinka are not necessarily credible when they were accused of crimes in a court of law. Under this circumstance, the German defendants were not free to dispute the allegations, but had to plead the defenses of superior orders and duress. Otherwise, like Richard Baer, the German defendants might not have lived to testify at their trials.

    It should also be noted that Franz Stangl was sentenced to life imprisonment by a Düsseldorf court in 1970. Stangl died suddenly on June 28, 1971, under unexplained circumstances. Thus, no future adverse testimony by Stangl in the future could ever be obtained.

    • Thanks: HdC, Annacath
  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @Alastair Rockwell

    I trust Lord ChatGPT more than Lord CODOH, so I send you here His word (the question at the beginning is mine):


    "Did Franz Stangl and other leading pesonnel of the Treblinka camp confess their acts?"

    Yes—but with important qualifications. Most of the leading personnel of Treblinka did not make full, unambiguous confessions in the sense of accepting complete moral and legal responsibility. Instead, their postwar statements generally fell into three categories:

    admitting they served at Treblinka while minimizing their role,
    acknowledging that mass killing occurred but claiming they were "only following orders,"
    or denying direct participation in murder despite overwhelming evidence.
    Franz Stangl

    Stangl, the commandant of Treblinka from 1942 to 1943, consistently admitted that Treblinka was an extermination camp and that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered there. At his 1970 trial, however, he argued that he had merely carried out his assigned duties and did not personally kill anyone. He famously maintained that his conscience was "clear" because he had been obeying orders.

    After his conviction, British journalist Gitta Sereny interviewed him extensively in prison. Those interviews became the book Into That Darkness. During the interviews, Stangl described how he gradually came to see deportees as "cargo" rather than people and admitted that he had become accustomed to the killing process. Near the end of the interviews, Sereny reported that he finally acknowledged a form of guilt, saying:

    "My guilt is that I am still here."
     
    But now I guess you will resort to the usual subterfuge that poor Stangl was tortured.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @John Wear

    Here is another point, again from Lord ChatGPT (the question at the beginning is mine):

    “Holocaust deniers (“revisionists”) aver that the Reinhardt camps were situated at the border between the German narrow rail gauge and the Russian broad rail gauge, and that that was the reason for their function as “transit camps”. What is the reality?”

    The “rail-gauge transfer point” argument is a well-known Holocaust denial claim, but it does not hold up when examined against the geography, railway engineering, and documentary evidence.

    The short answer is:

    It is true that the Operation Reinhard camps (Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka) lay in eastern occupied Poland, not far from the pre-1939 Soviet frontier, where the change between European standard gauge (1,435 mm) and Russian broad gauge (1,520/1,524 mm) became relevant.
    It is false that they were built because they were rail break-of-gauge stations or that their primary function was transferring passengers to broad-gauge trains.
    The geography

    When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, the German-Soviet border of 1939 ceased to exist. By the time the Reinhard camps were constructed (1942), Germany occupied hundreds of kilometers of Soviet territory beyond the old frontier.

    The camps were located:

    Bełżec – close to the former frontier.
    Sobibór – also relatively near the former frontier.
    Treblinka – considerably farther west than the actual broad-gauge network.

    None sat at an actual rail interchange where passengers routinely changed from one gauge to another.

    What happened to the rail gauge?

    One point often omitted by deniers is that after the invasion of the USSR, the Germans rapidly converted thousands of kilometers of Soviet broad-gauge track to European standard gauge so that German trains could run directly east. Railway conversion was a major engineering effort accompanying the advance into the Soviet Union. The “break of gauge” therefore moved eastward with the front rather than remaining on the 1939 border.

    Thus, by 1942 there was no operational necessity to stop transports at Bełżec, Sobibór, or Treblinka for a gauge change.

    Time for an “open debate” of CODOH with ChatGPT!

    • Replies: @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    How typical of you doctrinaire, agenda-driven wankers to sit back and have some (((programed AI platform))) regurgitate the standard kosher chicanery to you. Perhaps you were holed up in the basement soliciting funds for your local holohoax museum when the news came out about the great gnashing of teeth when one or more of those platforms were discovered to be agreeing with revisionist inquiries. A 'glitch' they said. The programmers got right to work making damn sure that the information regarding the hollowco$t, WW2 and Jewish malfeasance in general, would be as artificial as the intelligence.
    And here you are spewing it out like it's the untainted truth.

    Replies: @bike-anarkist

  • @Alastair Rockwell
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    No 1-

    " Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn’t find any evidence of the so-called “resettlement” of the Jews in the East"

    No, the problem was that he firstly instead of doing ANY any real archival/demographic research into that matter himself arrogantly and delusionally demanded all other researchers like Germar, Kues, Mattogno etc present all on a silver platter ready to him and most importantly since the very beginning unfortunately was of an extremely emotional and volatile temper instead of the necessary calm academic one, leading him regularly to extremely foolish actions like misappropriating funds, breaking contracts on a whim and even physically attacking (!) Ellie Wiesel, getting him arrested and becoming a convicted criminal in the US (forcing him to emigrate to Eastern Europe where he now lives as an English teacher).

    The entire sad Eric Hunt-history and his first close collaboration and then break with Germar Rudolf/CODOH being explained in this interview in detail by Rudolf:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHRBvcrG_XE

    No 2-

    "Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed,"

    - Once more the classic idiocy of meshing together indirect inference armchair speculation on top of already provable totally false assumptions due to total illiteracy:

    A- So you never bothered to actual inform yourself that NOONE even from the mainstream narrative claims Zyklon B was used in Treblinka...(the killing allegedly was done with -diesel- CO).

    Instead, THE standard disinfection method (interestingly seemingly attested to by many Treblinka "survivors" reporting on "steam chambers" -but of course often then absurdly claimed being used to kill Jews) both in WW1 and 2 for train passengers was :

    STEAM:

    "Thus, the German authorities launched an educational campaign to promote hygienic behaviors in occupied Poland [17]. The Germans improved sanitation systems, water supplies, and municipal baths and constructed showers. Hundreds of steam disinfection units and formalin chambers were imported from Germany for the delousing of clothing. Between July 1916 and November 1918, 3.5 million Polish civilians were deloused"

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11675154/

    And the entire process (while the passengers themselves were sent to disinfection-shower-rooms) took no longer than 30 minutes:

    "Steaming and disinfesting clothing during World War I typically took about 15 to 30 minutes inside specialized chambers. Standard equipment like the Thresh Disinfector or military steam sterilizers required a cycle of 15 to 20 minutes under pressure to kill lice and insect eggs, followed by roughly 5 minutes for vacuum drying</i

    https://nukebook.org/instruments/camp/pure-extermination-camp/treblinka/889/


    No 3-

    "If Treblinka was really a “transit camp” where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn’t they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?"

    - So, again you of course have never bothered to find out firstly any objective source showing
    HOW MANY SHOES AND CLOTHING WAS ACTUALLY EVER FOUND and WHERE THIS EXACTLY CAME FROM AND WHAT THE CONFISCATED ITEMS WERE?

    As anyone able to look at a map can see, interestingly all the Reinhardt camps were exactly (sometimes within a few hundred yards) build at the exact demarcation line along the Bug river, where the central European train-gauge tracks ended and the Russian broad gauge ones started, meaning all trains and passengers and luggage had to stop there and travel further using different
    methods of transportation.

    Plus the purpose of the Reinhardt camps was indeed to confiscate Jewish SURPLUS wealth usually amassed during the prior decades by their usual schemes, including clothing desperately needed in war-ravished Europe. They were encouraged and often demanded to pack several luggage-bags of those items, OF which a certain percentage were indeed confiscated on their arrival in those camps and then shipped west into Europe where the need was greatest.

    While of course this by no means for any objective/fair mind implies that they were left with nothing themselves or even naked when further transported (first by road transport or even walking across the -former- Russian border and then Russian-gauge trains apparently), proven by the original German documents available (see Holocausthandbooks) where the German central authorities require "medical supervision against typhus" of Jews arriving on their Eastern territory-destination of the German local ones.

    -But then again, unsure why I write all this in answer to your comment, you having proven time and time again that you are not interested in facts and academic work at all, but only emotional opinionating...?

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

    I trust Lord ChatGPT more than Lord CODOH, so I send you here His word (the question at the beginning is mine):

    “Did Franz Stangl and other leading pesonnel of the Treblinka camp confess their acts?”

    Yes—but with important qualifications. Most of the leading personnel of Treblinka did not make full, unambiguous confessions in the sense of accepting complete moral and legal responsibility. Instead, their postwar statements generally fell into three categories:

    admitting they served at Treblinka while minimizing their role,
    acknowledging that mass killing occurred but claiming they were “only following orders,”
    or denying direct participation in murder despite overwhelming evidence.
    Franz Stangl

    Stangl, the commandant of Treblinka from 1942 to 1943, consistently admitted that Treblinka was an extermination camp and that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered there. At his 1970 trial, however, he argued that he had merely carried out his assigned duties and did not personally kill anyone. He famously maintained that his conscience was “clear” because he had been obeying orders.

    After his conviction, British journalist Gitta Sereny interviewed him extensively in prison. Those interviews became the book Into That Darkness. During the interviews, Stangl described how he gradually came to see deportees as “cargo” rather than people and admitted that he had become accustomed to the killing process. Near the end of the interviews, Sereny reported that he finally acknowledged a form of guilt, saying:

    “My guilt is that I am still here.”

    But now I guess you will resort to the usual subterfuge that poor Stangl was tortured.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Here is another point, again from Lord ChatGPT (the question at the beginning is mine):

    "Holocaust deniers ("revisionists") aver that the Reinhardt camps were situated at the border between the German narrow rail gauge and the Russian broad rail gauge, and that that was the reason for their function as "transit camps". What is the reality?"


    The "rail-gauge transfer point" argument is a well-known Holocaust denial claim, but it does not hold up when examined against the geography, railway engineering, and documentary evidence.

    The short answer is:

    It is true that the Operation Reinhard camps (Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka) lay in eastern occupied Poland, not far from the pre-1939 Soviet frontier, where the change between European standard gauge (1,435 mm) and Russian broad gauge (1,520/1,524 mm) became relevant.
    It is false that they were built because they were rail break-of-gauge stations or that their primary function was transferring passengers to broad-gauge trains.
    The geography

    When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, the German-Soviet border of 1939 ceased to exist. By the time the Reinhard camps were constructed (1942), Germany occupied hundreds of kilometers of Soviet territory beyond the old frontier.

    The camps were located:

    Bełżec – close to the former frontier.
    Sobibór – also relatively near the former frontier.
    Treblinka – considerably farther west than the actual broad-gauge network.

    None sat at an actual rail interchange where passengers routinely changed from one gauge to another.

    What happened to the rail gauge?

    One point often omitted by deniers is that after the invasion of the USSR, the Germans rapidly converted thousands of kilometers of Soviet broad-gauge track to European standard gauge so that German trains could run directly east. Railway conversion was a major engineering effort accompanying the advance into the Soviet Union. The "break of gauge" therefore moved eastward with the front rather than remaining on the 1939 border.

    Thus, by 1942 there was no operational necessity to stop transports at Bełżec, Sobibór, or Treblinka for a gauge change.
     
    Time for an "open debate" of CODOH with ChatGPT!

    Replies: @saoirse

    , @John Wear
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ChatGPT writes about Franz Stangl and other personnel at Treblinka: "their postwar statements generally fell into three categories:

    admitting they served at Treblinka while minimizing their role,
    acknowledging that mass killing occurred but claiming they were 'only following orders,'
    or denying direct participation in murder despite overwhelming evidence."

    My response: Numerous legal experts, scholars and lawmakers have commented on the unfairness of the International Military Tribunal (IMT) and other Allied-run postwar trials. Although these trials had an appearance of fairness in a courtroom setting, they were organized not to dispense impartial justice, but for political purposes. The victorious Allies had control over the judges, prosecution, defense, and execution of the surviving German leaders.

    As with other German defendants in the Allied-run postwar trials, Stangl was in no position to contest that Germany had a mass extermination program against Jews. If he had testified that no extermination program had existed, any leniency shown by the court in the judgment would have been tantamount to the court’s conceding the possible untruth of the extermination claim. This was a political impossibility. (Source: Butz, Arthur R., The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, Newport Beach, Cal.: Institute for Historical Review, 1993, pp. 181-182).

    Carlo Mattogno writes about the inability of German defendants to give honest testimony at the Belzec trial:

    “By 1965, when the Belzec trial took place in Munich, the official historical and legal framework had been so firmly established that the defendants, in the hope of minimizing their sentences, could not but accept it unconditionally and proffer painful ‘confessions’.” (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, Belzec: In Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research & History, Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2011, p. 41).

    So, in my opinion, German defendants who had alleged experience with the gassings at Treblinka are not necessarily credible when they were accused of crimes in a court of law. Under this circumstance, the German defendants were not free to dispute the allegations, but had to plead the defenses of superior orders and duress. Otherwise, like Richard Baer, the German defendants might not have lived to testify at their trials.

    It should also be noted that Franz Stangl was sentenced to life imprisonment by a Düsseldorf court in 1970. Stangl died suddenly on June 28, 1971, under unexplained circumstances. Thus, no future adverse testimony by Stangl in the future could ever be obtained.

  • @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Muehlenkamp, is that you? Stop kvetching you twit. Wear just bitch-slapped you again! You're obviously the "thank you sir may I have another" type of guy but you don't care because they pay you by the comment.
    Your own kosher teammates were the ones initially claiming that ALL of the camps were "death camps". No confusion there - or so they thought. They were forced to rework the plot when their 'evidence' came under scrutiny. They were able to carry on with the charade behind the iron curtain until that gig was up. Now they have to either massively fund a bogus PR campaign or resort to strong arm tactics. All of your expensive guile just buys you more sand for your hour glass. It can't buy the truth.

    Replies: @Annacath

    You nailed it, thanks.

    • Thanks: saoirse
  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn't find any evidence of the so-called "resettlement" of the Jews in the East.

    If Treblinka was really a "transit camp" where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn't they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed, for which in the small camp of Treblinka no facilities existed. So...

    Replies: @Fourth Horseman, @saoirse, @Alastair Rockwell, @Wetzelrad

    No 1-

    ” Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn’t find any evidence of the so-called “resettlement” of the Jews in the East”

    No, the problem was that he firstly instead of doing ANY any real archival/demographic research into that matter himself arrogantly and delusionally demanded all other researchers like Germar, Kues, Mattogno etc present all on a silver platter ready to him and most importantly since the very beginning unfortunately was of an extremely emotional and volatile temper instead of the necessary calm academic one, leading him regularly to extremely foolish actions like misappropriating funds, breaking contracts on a whim and even physically attacking (!) Ellie Wiesel, getting him arrested and becoming a convicted criminal in the US (forcing him to emigrate to Eastern Europe where he now lives as an English teacher).

    The entire sad Eric Hunt-history and his first close collaboration and then break with Germar Rudolf/CODOH being explained in this interview in detail by Rudolf:

    Video Link

    No 2-

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed,”

    – Once more the classic idiocy of meshing together indirect inference armchair speculation on top of already provable totally false assumptions due to total illiteracy:

    A- So you never bothered to actual inform yourself that NOONE even from the mainstream narrative claims Zyklon B was used in Treblinka…(the killing allegedly was done with -diesel- CO).

    Instead, THE standard disinfection method (interestingly seemingly attested to by many Treblinka “survivors” reporting on “steam chambers” -but of course often then absurdly claimed being used to kill Jews) both in WW1 and 2 for train passengers was :

    STEAM:

    Thus, the German authorities launched an educational campaign to promote hygienic behaviors in occupied Poland [17]. The Germans improved sanitation systems, water supplies, and municipal baths and constructed showers. Hundreds of steam disinfection units and formalin chambers were imported from Germany for the delousing of clothing. Between July 1916 and November 1918, 3.5 million Polish civilians were deloused

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11675154/

    And the entire process (while the passengers themselves were sent to disinfection-shower-rooms) took no longer than 30 minutes:

    Steaming and disinfesting clothing during World War I typically took about 15 to 30 minutes inside specialized chambers. Standard equipment like the Thresh Disinfector or military steam sterilizers required a cycle of 15 to 20 minutes under pressure to kill lice and insect eggs, followed by roughly 5 minutes for vacuum drying</i

    https://nukebook.org/instruments/camp/pure-extermination-camp/treblinka/889/

    No 3-

    "If Treblinka was really a “transit camp” where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn’t they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?

    – So, again you of course have never bothered to find out firstly any objective source showing
    HOW MANY SHOES AND CLOTHING WAS ACTUALLY EVER FOUND and WHERE THIS EXACTLY CAME FROM AND WHAT THE CONFISCATED ITEMS WERE?

    As anyone able to look at a map can see, interestingly all the Reinhardt camps were exactly (sometimes within a few hundred yards) build at the exact demarcation line along the Bug river, where the central European train-gauge tracks ended and the Russian broad gauge ones started, meaning all trains and passengers and luggage had to stop there and travel further using different
    methods of transportation.

    Plus the purpose of the Reinhardt camps was indeed to confiscate Jewish SURPLUS wealth usually amassed during the prior decades by their usual schemes, including clothing desperately needed in war-ravished Europe. They were encouraged and often demanded to pack several luggage-bags of those items, OF which a certain percentage were indeed confiscated on their arrival in those camps and then shipped west into Europe where the need was greatest.

    While of course this by no means for any objective/fair mind implies that they were left with nothing themselves or even naked when further transported (first by road transport or even walking across the -former- Russian border and then Russian-gauge trains apparently), proven by the original German documents available (see Holocausthandbooks) where the German central authorities require “medical supervision against typhus” of Jews arriving on their Eastern territory-destination of the German local ones.

    -But then again, unsure why I write all this in answer to your comment, you having proven time and time again that you are not interested in facts and academic work at all, but only emotional opinionating…?

    • Thanks: John Wear, saoirse
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    @Alastair Rockwell

    I trust Lord ChatGPT more than Lord CODOH, so I send you here His word (the question at the beginning is mine):


    "Did Franz Stangl and other leading pesonnel of the Treblinka camp confess their acts?"

    Yes—but with important qualifications. Most of the leading personnel of Treblinka did not make full, unambiguous confessions in the sense of accepting complete moral and legal responsibility. Instead, their postwar statements generally fell into three categories:

    admitting they served at Treblinka while minimizing their role,
    acknowledging that mass killing occurred but claiming they were "only following orders,"
    or denying direct participation in murder despite overwhelming evidence.
    Franz Stangl

    Stangl, the commandant of Treblinka from 1942 to 1943, consistently admitted that Treblinka was an extermination camp and that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered there. At his 1970 trial, however, he argued that he had merely carried out his assigned duties and did not personally kill anyone. He famously maintained that his conscience was "clear" because he had been obeying orders.

    After his conviction, British journalist Gitta Sereny interviewed him extensively in prison. Those interviews became the book Into That Darkness. During the interviews, Stangl described how he gradually came to see deportees as "cargo" rather than people and admitted that he had become accustomed to the killing process. Near the end of the interviews, Sereny reported that he finally acknowledged a form of guilt, saying:

    "My guilt is that I am still here."
     
    But now I guess you will resort to the usual subterfuge that poor Stangl was tortured.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @John Wear

  • @TGD
    @NRC

    "Осторожно, двери закрываются!"

    Heard on the St. Petersburg metro. What is its real meaning?

    Replies: @NRC

    You don’t understand the meaning? But then how did you manage to write it with no mistakes?

  • @Colin Wright
    @John Wear


    'My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.'
     
    Numbers? And how many were even putative survivors of the Holocaust? For example, I found that two hundred and somethin European Jews had apparently entered Palestine between 1945 and 1949 -- okay, Holocaust survivors.

    But then I found that most of even those Jews had come from Romania -- and while Romania harassed its native Jews, no one ever claimed that they actually killed them. If there were a lot of Holocaust survivors, very, very few chose to go to Palestine.

    So maybe there weren't all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.

    Five million or so went in -- give me counts as to where they came out. Showing they went to eighty six different places establishes nothing at all -- particularly given that most of those claims are dubious in the first place. There were 42,000 Jews in Bialystok in 1941. How many can you find -- anywhere -- in 1945? And even those might be apparatchniks who managed to flee with the Red Army. My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse, @Walter Nowotny, @Alastair Rockwell

    “So maybe there weren’t all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.”

    – Yes THIS is exactly the problem with ALL your argumentation, it is in the end nothing but a wish-washy “maybe, could, I think..” and utterly wild meshed claims throwing around “Five million or so went in” WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF ACADEMIC ACCURACY AND MOST OF ALL NOT A TRACE OF ACTUAL DOING ANY REAL RESEARCH YOURSELF.

    Or of course, please proof me wrong- please name ANY (1) of the over 50 fully academic full-length revisionist works (that deal exactly in excruciating detail with ALL THE ARMCHAIR WILD CLAIMS YOU go on broken record repeat with here)THAT YOU HAVE EVER ACTUALLY READ?

    E.G. all the exact actual demographic statistics regarding Jewish pre-post-war demographics:

    https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/
    (Chapters 8,9,10)

    https://codoh.com/library/document/new-insights-into-the-dissolution-of-eastern-european-jewry/

    All most concisely summed up in this essay by G. Rudolf:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/holocaust-victims-a-statistical-analysis/

    Yet, do I assume correctly, since you never truly address ANY of ALL these academic details, YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ ANY OF THOSE?

    Thus posing the inevitable main question and judgement, that THIS IS THE REAL DIFFERENCE between you and those from the revisionist side here on the forum (like John Wear a.o.), NOT that you and them have DIFFERENT VIEWS on the same topic, each to his/her own, but that WHEN PRESENTED WITH ACADEMIC MATERIAL CONFRONTING ONES VIEWS, YOU EXHIBIT A TOTAL LACK OF INTEREST/WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE FAIRLY WITH IT, WHILE THEY DO without problem.

    Proving beyond all doubt that your endless stream of argumentation fails all standards of academic, objective truth-seeking and has nothing to do with that quest, but is mere emotionally loaded opinion-bashing.

    Or again, please proof me wrong, of course, either
    A) read/address ANY of all the exact detailed data and material presented in the above links
    or/and then
    B) present fully ACADEMIC material challenging my (John`s, etc) views and data and see that guaranteed we will always be willing to actually read and engage with it according to scientific standards of striving for objectivity.

    To end with circling back to your fascinating initial quote “Five million or so went in“:

    – Besides ALL the linked to academic statistics proving this figure as utter nonsense already (yet of course you never read/cite nor address them ever nor will ?), in addition, THIS is where even according to official German and Jewish sources between “3.5 to 6 Million (!)” of those – just for sake of argument accepted- “5 Million” seem to provably interestingly have gone:

    https://ihr.org/journal/v08p243_weber-html

    By the end of 1980, a German government agency reported, the number of successful claims was 4,344,378 (for Holocaust survivors), with payments reaching 50.18 billion German marks. About 40 percent of the claimants lived in Israel, some 20 percent were living in West Germany, and 40 percent elsewhere.(i.e. around 80% or 3.5 Million were claims by Jewish claimants)”

    Yet, fascinatingly, even when considering that probably not all of these claims were from individual Jews, i.e. some filed multiple ones, meaning the number of claims is higher than claimants:

    Nevertheless, the Atlanta (Jewish news-agency) Journal and Constitution stated in 1985 that about half of the Jewish “survivors” in the world have never received reparations money. “An estimated 50 percent” of the Holocaust “survivors throughout the world are on West German pensions,” the newspaper reported

    Meaning that even when reducing the number of claimants to 2 Million or so, still this presents only half of the actual number of Holocaust survivors, i.e. 4 Million of your “5 Million” are accounted for….

    But then again, why engage with actual demographic and academic rigor research, if one can just throw around Millions figure and wild claims without bothering to prove anything…?

    • Thanks: John Wear
  • @NRC
    The Soviet Union( Russian federation) felt a bit envidious about the big kike 6million lie( in launching which they btw actively participated) and they invented their own big lie - 27 million of soviet civilians were killed by the germans!

    It's hard to invent a similar lie but not for nothing the soviets(the USSR was a purely kike creation) and the kikes are best friends:

    Этот день мы приближали, как могли!

    Мы за ценой не постоим!

    Ага, приблизили, не постояли за ценой, вот теперь и сосут хуй обрезаный и причмокивают! Приятного аппетита!

    So, lets get back to the 27 million soviet civilians "killed by the germans".

    It happened to me to read the memories of soviets who lived under the german occupation, they were then very young and all them say that life under germans was a lot better than under the bolshevick regime.

    And that number 27 million supposedely "killed" by the germans - it was PHISYCALLY impossible. But what was possible that the soviet(kike) sekret police killed those people in the years preceeding the war, hiding the bones under the snow of Vorkuta and Magadan. And then blamed the germans -lots of people, like e.g. George Galloway accept this lie and repeat it like little fools.

    Replies: @TGD

    “Осторожно, двери закрываются!”

    Heard on the St. Petersburg metro. What is its real meaning?

    • Replies: @NRC
    @TGD

    You don't understand the meaning? But then how did you manage to write it with no mistakes?

  • @Colin Wright
    @John Wear


    'My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.'
     
    Numbers? And how many were even putative survivors of the Holocaust? For example, I found that two hundred and somethin European Jews had apparently entered Palestine between 1945 and 1949 -- okay, Holocaust survivors.

    But then I found that most of even those Jews had come from Romania -- and while Romania harassed its native Jews, no one ever claimed that they actually killed them. If there were a lot of Holocaust survivors, very, very few chose to go to Palestine.

    So maybe there weren't all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.

    Five million or so went in -- give me counts as to where they came out. Showing they went to eighty six different places establishes nothing at all -- particularly given that most of those claims are dubious in the first place. There were 42,000 Jews in Bialystok in 1941. How many can you find -- anywhere -- in 1945? And even those might be apparatchniks who managed to flee with the Red Army. My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse, @Walter Nowotny, @Alastair Rockwell

    Well, if you bet on it, that’s certainly good enough for me.

  • This reminds me of the old joke (most likely thought up by a cynical fake Jew)

    How many Jews can you fit in a Volkswagen?

    Answer; 2 in the front, 3 in the back seat and 6 million in the ash tray.

  • @Colin Wright
    @Curtains


    SHIT!!! To incinerate thousands of bodies on an open pyre must have been extremely difficult.
     
    I wonder. The Germans were forced to cremate thousands of bodies after the Dresden raid. Any figures on that, or how long it took?

    Replies: @John Wear

    You write to Curtains: “The Germans were forced to cremate thousands of bodies after the Dresden raid. Any figures on that, or how long it took?”

    My response: The incineration of dead bodies on the Dresden market square, the Altmarkt, was not the only means of disposing of dead bodies at Dresden. A British sergeant reported on the disposal of bodies at Dresden:

    “They had to pitchfork shriveled bodies onto trucks and wagons and cart them to shallow graves on the outskirts of the city. But after two weeks of work the job became too much to cope with and they found other means to gather up the dead. They burned bodies in a great heap in the center of the city, but the most effective way, for sanitary reasons, was to take flamethrowers and burn the dead as they lay in the ruins. They would just turn the flamethrowers into the houses, burn the dead and then close off the entire area. The whole city is flattened. They were unable to clean up the dead lying beside roads for several weeks.” (Source: Regan, Dan, Stars and Stripes London edition, Saturday, May 5, 1945, Vol. 5, No. 156).

    Many historians cite evidence that bodies at Dresden were incinerated beyond recognition. For example, Alexander McKee quotes Hildegarde Prasse on what she saw at the Altmarkt after the Dresden bombings:

    “What I saw at the Altmarkt was cruel. I could not believe my eyes. A few of the men who had been left over [from the Front] were busy shoveling corpse after corpse on top of the other. Some were completely carbonized and buried in this pyre, but nevertheless they were all burnt here because of the danger of an epidemic. In any case, what was left of them was hardly recognizable. They were buried later in a mass grave on the Dresdner Heide.” (Source: McKee, Alexander, Dresden 1945: The Devil’s Tinderbox, New York: E.P. Dutton, Inc., 1984, p. 248).

    Marshall De Bruhl cites a report found in an urn by a gravedigger in 1975 written on March 12, 1945, by a young soldier identified only as Gottfried. This report states:

    “I saw the most painful scene ever….Several persons were near the entrance, others at the flight of steps and many others further back in the cellar. The shapes suggested human corpses. The body structure was recognizable and the shape of the skulls, but they had no clothes. Eyes and hair carbonized but not shrunk. When touched, they disintegrated into ashes, totally, no skeleton or separate bones.

    I recognized a male corpse as that of my father. His arm had been jammed between two stones, where shreds of his grey suit remained. What sat not far from him was no doubt mother. The slim build and shape of the head left no doubt. I found a tin and put their ashes in it. Never had I been so sad, so alone and full of despair. Carrying my treasure and crying I left the gruesome scene. I was trembling all over and my heart threatened to burst. My helpers stood there, mute under the impact.” (Source: DeBruhl, Marshall, Firestorm: Allied Airpower and the Destruction of Dresden, New York: Random House, Inc., 2006, pp. 253-254).

    So, since many of the dead at Dresden were already incinerated from the extreme heat generated by the Allied bombings, disposing of the dead bodies at Dresden was far easier than it would have been at Treblinka.

  • She reminds me of the alleged researcher who was supposedly caught trying to remove stones from one corner of a pyramid to make its measurements match his pseudoscientific “pyramidology”.

  • Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Good, so now explain how those Jews after being robbed of their clothes and shoes, went naked and barefoot to their "resettlement camps in the East" and survived the war to tell their stories.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Anon

    No one is saying they were sent buck naked to the East other than you. The idea that Germany couldn’t provide clothes and shoes and other basic necessities to prisoners is pretty laughable, is that the best you’ve got?

    Also, if the Germans went to such extreme methods to hide their crimes at Treblinka, one wonders why they didn’t also incinerate the prisoners’ clothes and shoes at Auschwitz? Burning the pile of clothes/shoes on display there would only have taken one soldier one afternoon. But I guess you think they were in such a rush to leave the camp that they simply didn’t have enough time/resources to finish the job. lol

    • Agree: John Wear
  • @John Wear
    @NRC

    You write: “Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!”

    My response: I agree with this statement.

    I was saying to Franklin Ryckaert that originally Holocaust historians stated that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. This claim was later changed in the 1960s after the evidence showed that these camps in Germany were not extermination camps.

    As you state, the truth is that there were no German extermination camps anywhere during World War II.

    You write: “The second thing is that all those dead bodies they still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of German POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as “victims” of the German camps.”

    My response: This is not totally true. The mass graves in German camps such as Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc. did exist and were filmed for posterity by the Allies. They have been repeatedly shown to prove that these German camps were extermination camps.

    However, as gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    It is true that sometimes the dying German POWs in Allied prison camps have been used to prove a German program of mass extermination against the Jews. However, there were plenty of gruesome scenes in German camps at the end of the war that have been used to attempt to prove a German program of mass extermination of the Jews.

    Replies: @NRC, @NRC

    On the second thoughts. However, if we were just looking for a “movie effect”, the visual impression of people dying of hunger and disease, we could find even “better places” than german camps.
    E.g. Eisenhower’s camps for german PWOs, Soviet Gulag camps the access to which was always forbidden to the International Red Cross and the jewish occupied Gaza.

  • @John Wear
    @NRC

    You write: “Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!”

    My response: I agree with this statement.

    I was saying to Franklin Ryckaert that originally Holocaust historians stated that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. This claim was later changed in the 1960s after the evidence showed that these camps in Germany were not extermination camps.

    As you state, the truth is that there were no German extermination camps anywhere during World War II.

    You write: “The second thing is that all those dead bodies they still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of German POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as “victims” of the German camps.”

    My response: This is not totally true. The mass graves in German camps such as Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc. did exist and were filmed for posterity by the Allies. They have been repeatedly shown to prove that these German camps were extermination camps.

    However, as gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    It is true that sometimes the dying German POWs in Allied prison camps have been used to prove a German program of mass extermination against the Jews. However, there were plenty of gruesome scenes in German camps at the end of the war that have been used to attempt to prove a German program of mass extermination of the Jews.

    Replies: @NRC, @NRC

    I do agree with you that sometimes the scenes in the camps were quite grusome with people reduced to their bones all over the place… But similar things one could often see in the streets of the german cities-there was no food in Germany and people were dropping dead like flies all over the place.
    That’s what happens when you stop food from reaching the people, like in Gaza.

    • Replies: @Patriot
    @NRC

    Both the N and the S did the same thing to prisoners during the USA Civil War — held prisoners in overcrowded, muddy, diseased concentration camps and starved them to death.

    The British did it to White Boer women and children in the late 1800’s

    Virtually all wars throughout history inflicted savage treatment of captured soldiers and civilians.

    But the World supposedly put an end to such evil barbarism after WW 2.

  • @Colin Wright
    @John Wear

    We're going in circles. I've already responded to all these points. In fact, my guess is you just copied and pasted that earlier post.

    Replies: @John Wear

    You write: “We’re going in circles.”

    My response: Yes we are. This is because you keep making the same points for me to dispute.

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
  • Are We Really Living in the End Times?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygjx7cuaOo
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  • @Curtains
    I recently read of a true crime where two thugs burned their victim for three days on an open pyre in an attempt to totally "disappear" the body. The police caught up with them on the third day when the perpetrators were attempting to crush the bones.

    SHIT!!! To incinerate thousands of bodies on an open pyre must have been extremely difficult.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    SHIT!!! To incinerate thousands of bodies on an open pyre must have been extremely difficult.

    I wonder. The Germans were forced to cremate thousands of bodies after the Dresden raid. Any figures on that, or how long it took?

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You write to Curtains: "The Germans were forced to cremate thousands of bodies after the Dresden raid. Any figures on that, or how long it took?"

    My response: The incineration of dead bodies on the Dresden market square, the Altmarkt, was not the only means of disposing of dead bodies at Dresden. A British sergeant reported on the disposal of bodies at Dresden:

    "They had to pitchfork shriveled bodies onto trucks and wagons and cart them to shallow graves on the outskirts of the city. But after two weeks of work the job became too much to cope with and they found other means to gather up the dead. They burned bodies in a great heap in the center of the city, but the most effective way, for sanitary reasons, was to take flamethrowers and burn the dead as they lay in the ruins. They would just turn the flamethrowers into the houses, burn the dead and then close off the entire area. The whole city is flattened. They were unable to clean up the dead lying beside roads for several weeks." (Source: Regan, Dan, Stars and Stripes London edition, Saturday, May 5, 1945, Vol. 5, No. 156).

    Many historians cite evidence that bodies at Dresden were incinerated beyond recognition. For example, Alexander McKee quotes Hildegarde Prasse on what she saw at the Altmarkt after the Dresden bombings:

    "What I saw at the Altmarkt was cruel. I could not believe my eyes. A few of the men who had been left over [from the Front] were busy shoveling corpse after corpse on top of the other. Some were completely carbonized and buried in this pyre, but nevertheless they were all burnt here because of the danger of an epidemic. In any case, what was left of them was hardly recognizable. They were buried later in a mass grave on the Dresdner Heide." (Source: McKee, Alexander, Dresden 1945: The Devil’s Tinderbox, New York: E.P. Dutton, Inc., 1984, p. 248).

    Marshall De Bruhl cites a report found in an urn by a gravedigger in 1975 written on March 12, 1945, by a young soldier identified only as Gottfried. This report states:

    "I saw the most painful scene ever….Several persons were near the entrance, others at the flight of steps and many others further back in the cellar. The shapes suggested human corpses. The body structure was recognizable and the shape of the skulls, but they had no clothes. Eyes and hair carbonized but not shrunk. When touched, they disintegrated into ashes, totally, no skeleton or separate bones.

    I recognized a male corpse as that of my father. His arm had been jammed between two stones, where shreds of his grey suit remained. What sat not far from him was no doubt mother. The slim build and shape of the head left no doubt. I found a tin and put their ashes in it. Never had I been so sad, so alone and full of despair. Carrying my treasure and crying I left the gruesome scene. I was trembling all over and my heart threatened to burst. My helpers stood there, mute under the impact." (Source: DeBruhl, Marshall, Firestorm: Allied Airpower and the Destruction of Dresden, New York: Random House, Inc., 2006, pp. 253-254).

    So, since many of the dead at Dresden were already incinerated from the extreme heat generated by the Allied bombings, disposing of the dead bodies at Dresden was far easier than it would have been at Treblinka.

  • @JWalters
    @Colin Wright

    Could you provide a reference for when the Babylonian Talmud was composed (as distinct from the Jerusalem Talmud)? Thanks.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    Wikipedia seems to more or less conclude it was completed around 600 or 700 AD. I see no reason to doubt that. In any case, it does nothing to lend credence to Judaism’s claims to antiquity.

  • @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You write: "So maybe there weren’t all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed."

    My response: As we previously discussed, there is evidence indicating that far less than 6 million Jews were killed in the so-called Holocaust. This evidence includes the following:

    1) Stephen F. Pinter, who was a U.S. War Department attorney stationed in Germany after the war, disputed the claim that millions of Jews were murdered by Germany. In a statement made in 1959, he wrote: “From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.” (Source: Stephen Pinter letter in the national Catholic weekly, Our Sunday Visitor, June 14, 1959, p. 15).

    2) The eyewitness testimony of Jewish survivors of the German concentration camps is often cited to establish the genocide of 6 million European Jews by Germany. However, the New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented in 1965 that 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. (Source: Stäglich, Wilhelm, Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 31).

    How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war if Germany had mass murdered 6 million Jews?

    3) As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual restitution claims under the terms of the German Federal Compensation Law (BEG) of 1953 and 1956. This law provides monetary compensation to individuals who were “persecuted for political, racial, religious or ideological reasons” by the wartime German government. The great majority of these successful restitution claims were from Jews. Raul Hilberg estimated that about two thirds of the allowed claims had been from Jews. (Source: Hilberg testimony in Zündel case, Toronto District Court, Jan. 18, 1985. Transcript p. 1229).

    Using Hilberg’s conservative estimate would mean that Jews had received over 2.9 million BEG restitution claims by January 1984.

    These successful Jewish BEG claims understate the number of potential successful BEG claims to Jews because, as of 1985, Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were not eligible for BEG restitution. Also, some European Jews who survived World War II died before the German BEG restitution law was enacted in 1953. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust” survivors around the world in 1985 had received restitution under BEG. (Source: Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Sunday, March 31, 1985, p. 15A. See also Weber, Mark, “Wilhelm Höttl and the Elusive ‘Six Million’,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 20, No. 5/6, Sept./Dec. 2001, pp. 29-30).

    If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean there would have been approximately 5.8 million successful BEG restitution claims if all Jewish survivors of World War II had been eligible to receive BEG restitution.

    Since the number of BEG compensation claims is larger than the number of BEG claimants, the exact number of Jewish recipients of BEG compensation cannot be obtained. Nevertheless, these BEG compensation figures indicate that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during World War II. (Source: Weber, Mark, “West Germany’s Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry,” The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1988, Vol. 8, No. 2, p. 248).

    4) Another factor making impossible the official number of 6 million Jews dying in German camps is the fact that thousands of corpses could not have been cremated every day at Auschwitz-Birkenau as is commonly claimed. Ivan Lagacé, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that the claim that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could cremate over 4,400 bodies in a day was “ludicrous,” “preposterous” and “beyond the realm of reality.” (Source: Canadian Jewish News, Toronto, Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3. See also Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 270).

    5) The book The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry by Walter Sanning is probably the most scholarly study ever written of 20th century Jewish demography, especially in its analysis of World War II related Jewish population changes. Sanning bases his study almost exclusively on Allied, Zionist, and pro-Zionist West German sources. His analysis includes evidence given by the wartime U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, the Institute of Jewish Affairs, the American Jewish Yearbook, official census publications, and the pro-Zionist Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. Sanning keeps his book as free of emotion as possible in order to contribute to a genuine discussion underlying the charge of German genocide.

    While it would be impossible for anyone to give an exact number of Jews who died in the German camps during World War II, The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry proves that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during the war. Sanning calculates that the worldwide losses suffered by Jews during the Second World War are approximately 1¼ million. (Source: Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry, Costa Mesa, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 198).

    Sanning estimates that 15,967,000 Jews were alive in 1941 before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, and that the Jewish population was reduced to approximately 14,730,000 after the war. (Source: Ibid., p. 199).

    Importantly, Sanning shows that many of these Jewish losses were caused not by the direct impact of the war or by a program of German genocide, but by Soviet barbarism. Sanning states that hundreds of thousands of Jews lost their lives during the Soviet deportation to the east or in the Siberian labor and concentration camps. Sanning concludes that the food supply, shelter, and clothing provided to the Jewish inmates in the Soviet camps was woefully inadequate, and that medical attention was almost completely lacking. (Ibid., pp. 106-109)

    Sanning’s conclusion is supported by Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger, who states: “In Southern Siberia the death-rate was very high for…Jews.” (Source: Reitlinger, Gerald, The Final Solution, New York: A. S. Barnes & Company, Inc., 1961, p. 499).

    According to Sanning’s analysis, more Jews died in Soviet camps than died in German camps during World War II.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    We’re going in circles. I’ve already responded to all these points. In fact, my guess is you just copied and pasted that earlier post.

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You write: "We’re going in circles."

    My response: Yes we are. This is because you keep making the same points for me to dispute.

  • @Lewis Garr
    @anon

    Also, what evidence exists that the camp supposedly had three gas chambers?

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2016/01/05/jews-and-history-lies-galore/

    Replies: @JR Foley

    348 ovens going 24/7 with each cremation taking 3 hours at high temperature consuming energy–where are the coal slags or pipelines or were they wood fed??? All trains were full of Jews going from here to there and no engines available for hauling supplies to the Eastern front out of Poland. Auschwitz being liberated by Bandera is what gives John Hagee a Humugus Hardon !!!!

  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Good, so now explain how those Jews after being robbed of their clothes and shoes, went naked and barefoot to their "resettlement camps in the East" and survived the war to tell their stories.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Anon

    LOL. Throw out as many red herrings as you like. Now run along and help your buddy Colin Wright dig up some of those remains. Take Lipstadt with you.

  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    The concentration camps in Germany were all work camps, not death camps. The death camps were all situated in Poland. To deliberately confuse work camps with death camps and then declare that no camps were death camps, is a cheap trick of denialists.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse

    Muehlenkamp, is that you? Stop kvetching you twit. Wear just bitch-slapped you again! You’re obviously the “thank you sir may I have another” type of guy but you don’t care because they pay you by the comment.
    Your own kosher teammates were the ones initially claiming that ALL of the camps were “death camps”. No confusion there – or so they thought. They were forced to rework the plot when their ‘evidence’ came under scrutiny. They were able to carry on with the charade behind the iron curtain until that gig was up. Now they have to either massively fund a bogus PR campaign or resort to strong arm tactics. All of your expensive guile just buys you more sand for your hour glass. It can’t buy the truth.

    • Thanks: John Wear
    • Replies: @Annacath
    @saoirse

    You nailed it, thanks.

  • I recently read of a true crime where two thugs burned their victim for three days on an open pyre in an attempt to totally “disappear” the body. The police caught up with them on the third day when the perpetrators were attempting to crush the bones.

    SHIT!!! To incinerate thousands of bodies on an open pyre must have been extremely difficult.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Curtains


    SHIT!!! To incinerate thousands of bodies on an open pyre must have been extremely difficult.
     
    I wonder. The Germans were forced to cremate thousands of bodies after the Dresden raid. Any figures on that, or how long it took?

    Replies: @John Wear

  • @JWalters
    @Snow Leopard

    Thanks for your comment.

    I agree that childhood trauma can have lasting effects. It's well-known by now that serial abusers typically were abused as children.

    Regarding circumcision abuse, my family came from a circumcising Protestant tradition, but I don't see in myself or my brothers the stereotypical Jewish psychopathologies. I'm aware of a brief trauma around age 3-4, and a mild residual effect (since cleaned out). And I've talked with a number of people about their childhood traumas and the effects.

    My sense is that not a lot of research has been done quantifying the effects of childhood trauma - severity, duration, and timing of the trauma, and the severity and duration of the effects. A single outburst of anger by a "giant" parent can be a traumatic experience for tiny child. These experiences, like scary dreams, are quite common, and kids seem generally resilient to them.

    So while circumcision is undoubtedly traumatic, it's not clear to me how deep or lasting are its effects. At this point I would estimate that the psychopathic behavior of Israelis is due more to their enculturation. We know they are explicitly taught to be psychopaths.

    Replies: @Snow Leopard

    Agreed about the enculturation driver. What numerous people who have investigated the circumcision issue claim is the decisive difference in this case is the extreme proximity of the circumcision trauma to the time of birth. Eight days after birth is a huge red light. The medical evidence from the MRI research on 8 day old circumcision seems to confirm this as a critical life shaping developmental wound. This is very different to those who will have undergone the experience many years later after the psyche has had considerable time to mature.

  • @S1
    @JWalters


    It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught “another Holocaust is right around the corner”, that it’s a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors.
     
    In the field of psychology there is a well studied personality type known as a 'wound collector':

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/on-wound-collectors


    On Wound Collectors

    'They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized.'

    'Quite conversely, the wound collector not only hangs on to the wounds he perceives, but he also goes out and collects more wounds by selectively looking for those things that support his entrenched beliefs. Through flawed observations, logic, or reasoning, the wound collector is hobbled by a “confirmation bias” that systematically reinforces a pre-existing belief or position. Convinced of their beliefs, even in the face of contrary evidence, they become saturated and hobbled by their self-created toxic brew of irrational biases. This irrationality in turn breeds hate and contempt for others—two key features abundantly present with wound collectors.'
     

    Replies: @JWalters

    Very relevant and interesting. Thanks.

    • Thanks: S1
  • @Snow Leopard
    @JWalters

    JWalters: More good work on our part. Much respect. When speaking of the cultural institutionalization of fear we would do well to take note of the scientific research conducted on the effects of male circumcision on the 8th day. This scientific research was done in Western hospitals using the MRI scanning technique. The brains of babies who had recently been subjected to the trauma of circumcision after having been only 8 days out of their mother's womb were examined by the MRI scanning technology. In every case the MRI detected significant destructive malformation of the baby's brains. The nurses and doctors who understood how to interpret the readings of the MRI machine concluded that this revealed profound trauma that will have a crippling effect on the psychological development of those male infants.

    When the medical personnel involved attempted to publish the devastating results of their research, the hospital authorities (I believe Canadian) absolutely forbid that publication. This was covered up by seemingly non Jews. The consequences of this scientific finding was judged to be politically intolerable by the medical establishment involved.

    Science tells us that the fear, whilst having a basis in cultural history is grounded in acute physical trauma, which is religiously sanctified.

    I don't know about you. But given that the human mind operates inside a unified mass psychic field (i.e., it is a collective phenomenon) we can perhaps surmise that the ancient concept of sorcery is in play here. Sorcery wherein intensely focused mind energy is directed into the mass energy field of the collective mind supercharging it with fear.

    Fear of exposing male 8 day circumcision of the genital pleasure principle as a cause of tribal criminal psychopathy. In terrified subconscious fear of an ancient tribal God. The God sorcerers employ to infect the minds of non Jewish Christians.

    I read your analysis as sound Mr Walters and seek to strengthen it with this addition of the science pertaining to Jewish circumcision.

    Replies: @JWalters

    Thanks for your comment.

    I agree that childhood trauma can have lasting effects. It’s well-known by now that serial abusers typically were abused as children.

    Regarding circumcision abuse, my family came from a circumcising Protestant tradition, but I don’t see in myself or my brothers the stereotypical Jewish psychopathologies. I’m aware of a brief trauma around age 3-4, and a mild residual effect (since cleaned out). And I’ve talked with a number of people about their childhood traumas and the effects.

    My sense is that not a lot of research has been done quantifying the effects of childhood trauma – severity, duration, and timing of the trauma, and the severity and duration of the effects. A single outburst of anger by a “giant” parent can be a traumatic experience for tiny child. These experiences, like scary dreams, are quite common, and kids seem generally resilient to them.

    So while circumcision is undoubtedly traumatic, it’s not clear to me how deep or lasting are its effects. At this point I would estimate that the psychopathic behavior of Israelis is due more to their enculturation. We know they are explicitly taught to be psychopaths.

    • Agree: Epictetus
    • Replies: @Snow Leopard
    @JWalters

    Agreed about the enculturation driver. What numerous people who have investigated the circumcision issue claim is the decisive difference in this case is the extreme proximity of the circumcision trauma to the time of birth. Eight days after birth is a huge red light. The medical evidence from the MRI research on 8 day old circumcision seems to confirm this as a critical life shaping developmental wound. This is very different to those who will have undergone the experience many years later after the psyche has had considerable time to mature.

  • @JWalters
    "We need never accept this fiction as truth, and we need never feel any guilt, or make any amends for it, ever again."

    The psychopathic personality of Israelis is rooted in fear. It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught "another Holocaust is right around the corner", that it's a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors. They are taught to despise Jesus and spit at churches.

    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.

    Although the Book of Jeremiah says the Jewish God dropped his protection because of their bad behavior, the Babylonian Talmud acknowledges no Jewish wrongdoing. Instead, non-Jews are declared to be sub-human predators, and Jews are given a divine right to deceive, rob, and murder them with impunity. The only caveat is to avoid being caught, since it might cause blowback on the Jews. Douglas Reed discusses this development in chapter 4 "The Forging of the Chains" in his deep dive research, available in the Unz Review book collection.
    The Controversy of Zion
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    This belief system, born in fear during subjugated captivity, hypothesized a contrary superiority. For safety, the superiority was secretive and acted subversively. This survival strategy was encoded and passed down over time.

    To maintain this mindset in the Jewish community, while avoiding intense cognitive dissonance from competing perceptions, some major lies must be told to the Jewish community.

    One such major lie is the fictitious story about the birth of today's Israel. A myth has been concocted about heroic Jews defending their land from terrorist Arabs. The facts are just the opposite.
    War Profiteers and the Roots of the 'War on Terror'
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    Another potent myth is that of the Holocaust. This enables the fearsome threat that another Holocaust is "right around the corner". An excellent introduction to the facts behind this fearful myth is the Ron Unz article.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel. The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Epictetus, @Colin Wright, @Snow Leopard, @S1

    It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught “another Holocaust is right around the corner”, that it’s a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors.

    In the field of psychology there is a well studied personality type known as a ‘wound collector’:

    [MORE]

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/on-wound-collectors

    On Wound Collectors

    ‘They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized.’

    ‘Quite conversely, the wound collector not only hangs on to the wounds he perceives, but he also goes out and collects more wounds by selectively looking for those things that support his entrenched beliefs. Through flawed observations, logic, or reasoning, the wound collector is hobbled by a “confirmation bias” that systematically reinforces a pre-existing belief or position. Convinced of their beliefs, even in the face of contrary evidence, they become saturated and hobbled by their self-created toxic brew of irrational biases. This irrationality in turn breeds hate and contempt for others—two key features abundantly present with wound collectors.’

    • Thanks: JWalters
    • Replies: @JWalters
    @S1

    Very relevant and interesting. Thanks.

  • @Colin Wright
    @John Wear


    'My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.'
     
    Numbers? And how many were even putative survivors of the Holocaust? For example, I found that two hundred and somethin European Jews had apparently entered Palestine between 1945 and 1949 -- okay, Holocaust survivors.

    But then I found that most of even those Jews had come from Romania -- and while Romania harassed its native Jews, no one ever claimed that they actually killed them. If there were a lot of Holocaust survivors, very, very few chose to go to Palestine.

    So maybe there weren't all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.

    Five million or so went in -- give me counts as to where they came out. Showing they went to eighty six different places establishes nothing at all -- particularly given that most of those claims are dubious in the first place. There were 42,000 Jews in Bialystok in 1941. How many can you find -- anywhere -- in 1945? And even those might be apparatchniks who managed to flee with the Red Army. My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse, @Walter Nowotny, @Alastair Rockwell

    My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    Then grab a shovel and go find them! Stop by Corfu and dig there too. Let us know what you found. Take pictures!

  • @saoirse
    @JWalters


    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel.
     
    What polls?? A few kikes feeling the heat and squirming doesn't constitute an epiphany.

    The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.
     
    You can't be serious! Jews are suddenly going to snap out of three millennia of inbred psychotic parasitic malfeasance because you think some veil has been lifted?
    Kevin McDonald and many others prove you're dead wrong.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @JWalters

    For a very long time people believed smallpox was caused by a malevolent spirit. Once the smallpox vaccine proved effective, the malevolent spirit belief died off quite quickly.

    An individual can change their mind on something overnight when given compelling new evidence. Similarly, a large group of individuals can all change their minds quite quickly.

  • @Colin Wright
    @JWalters


    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.
     
    There was no Babylonian captivity. All the evidence is that Judaism didn't exist at that time.

    Replies: @JWalters

    Could you provide a reference for when the Babylonian Talmud was composed (as distinct from the Jerusalem Talmud)? Thanks.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @JWalters

    Wikipedia seems to more or less conclude it was completed around 600 or 700 AD. I see no reason to doubt that. In any case, it does nothing to lend credence to Judaism's claims to antiquity.

  • @NRC
    @John Wear

    First thing first - please stop telling rubbish:

    "Holocaust historians had to change their claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps because the evidence became overwhelming that no extermination camps existed in Germany."

    Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!

    The second thing is that all those dead bodies the still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of german POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as "victims" of the german camps.

    Replies: @John Wear

    You write: “Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!”

    My response: I agree with this statement.

    I was saying to Franklin Ryckaert that originally Holocaust historians stated that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. This claim was later changed in the 1960s after the evidence showed that these camps in Germany were not extermination camps.

    As you state, the truth is that there were no German extermination camps anywhere during World War II.

    You write: “The second thing is that all those dead bodies they still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of German POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as “victims” of the German camps.”

    My response: This is not totally true. The mass graves in German camps such as Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc. did exist and were filmed for posterity by the Allies. They have been repeatedly shown to prove that these German camps were extermination camps.

    However, as gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    It is true that sometimes the dying German POWs in Allied prison camps have been used to prove a German program of mass extermination against the Jews. However, there were plenty of gruesome scenes in German camps at the end of the war that have been used to attempt to prove a German program of mass extermination of the Jews.

    • Thanks: John Trout
    • Replies: @NRC
    @John Wear

    I do agree with you that sometimes the scenes in the camps were quite grusome with people reduced to their bones all over the place... But similar things one could often see in the streets of the german cities-there was no food in Germany and people were dropping dead like flies all over the place.
    That's what happens when you stop food from reaching the people, like in Gaza.

    Replies: @Patriot

    , @NRC
    @John Wear

    On the second thoughts. However, if we were just looking for a "movie effect", the visual impression of people dying of hunger and disease, we could find even "better places" than german camps.
    E.g. Eisenhower's camps for german PWOs, Soviet Gulag camps the access to which was always forbidden to the International Red Cross and the jewish occupied Gaza.

  • There is a small error in this paper: lead has has never been added to diesel fuel. Any elevated lead contents in masonry samples would indicate exposure not to diesel but rather to gasoline exhaust, to which lead compounds were added between the 1920s until the 1970s or 1980s, depending on the country. The method mentioned by Sturdy Colls, allegedly used to find carbon monoxide in 70-year-old samples, is unable to detect any such carbon-monoxide gas, as this gas is volatile and unstable, unable to survive 70 years of exposure to the elements. There are many other methods able to find and distinguish various deposits in masonry possibly originating from engine exhaust, wood fires, kilns etc., such as soot, PAHs and various metals, lead included. See my paper on “The Chemistry of Treblinka” at https://www.unz.com/article/the-chemistry-of-treblinka/ for details.

  • @nsa
    This screed is total bullshit. Humble nsa lost a close relative at Treblinka. My dear uncle Fritz was dead drunk and fell out of the guard tower.....broke his neck.

    Replies: @Kingsmeg

    My dear uncle Fritz was dead drunk and fell out of the guard tower…..broke his neck.

    Your uncle Fritz may have been related to my father-in-law Hans, who was responsible for more downed fighter planes than any Allied pilot in WW2. Worst mechanic in the Luftwaffe.

  • @John Wear
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You write: "The concentration camps in Germany were all work camps, not death camps. The death camps were all situated in Poland. To deliberately confuse work camps with death camps and then declare that no camps were death camps, is a cheap trick of denialists."

    My response: Originally, the Holocaust story claimed that camps such as Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, etc. in Germany were extermination camps.

    The horrific scenes encountered by U.S. and British troops when they entered German concentration camps at the end of World War II were used to prove a German policy of extermination of the Jews. As gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    So, by the 1960s, Holocaust historians dropped the claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. We are now told that all of the German extermination camps were in Poland. Holocaust historians had to change their claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps because the evidence became overwhelming that no extermination camps existed in Germany.

    Replies: @NRC

    First thing first – please stop telling rubbish:

    “Holocaust historians had to change their claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps because the evidence became overwhelming that no extermination camps existed in Germany.”

    Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!

    The second thing is that all those dead bodies the still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of german POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as “victims” of the german camps.

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @NRC

    You write: “Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!”

    My response: I agree with this statement.

    I was saying to Franklin Ryckaert that originally Holocaust historians stated that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. This claim was later changed in the 1960s after the evidence showed that these camps in Germany were not extermination camps.

    As you state, the truth is that there were no German extermination camps anywhere during World War II.

    You write: “The second thing is that all those dead bodies they still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of German POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as “victims” of the German camps.”

    My response: This is not totally true. The mass graves in German camps such as Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc. did exist and were filmed for posterity by the Allies. They have been repeatedly shown to prove that these German camps were extermination camps.

    However, as gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    It is true that sometimes the dying German POWs in Allied prison camps have been used to prove a German program of mass extermination against the Jews. However, there were plenty of gruesome scenes in German camps at the end of the war that have been used to attempt to prove a German program of mass extermination of the Jews.

    Replies: @NRC, @NRC

  • @Kevin Barrett
    Jewish religious law prevents archeologists from digging anywhere where there are supposed to be millions of Jewish bodies but actually aren't any.

    Replies: @Abhuman, @Kingsmeg, @thotmonger, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    Jewish religious law prevents archeologists from digging anywhere where there are supposed to be millions of Jewish bodies but actually aren’t any.

    This “law” against disturbing Jewish graves does seem to be inconsistently applied. For example, Harvard DNA researcher David Reich (Jewish) doing research co-sponsored by Hebrew University dug up a Medieval Jewish cemetery to examine the bodies and no one is accusing him of doing anything wrong — quite the opposite, he gets accolades for unearthing the truth about “Jewish History.” Very odd.

    The 47 graves which formed the study were located by German archaeologists in 2013 during the excavation of part of a medieval Jewish graveyard in Erfurt, Central Germany ahead of construction plans. The remains have since been reburied in the Thuringian capital’s 19th-century Jewish cemetery.

    Co-author Dr David Reich of Harvard University said that their work, “provides a template for how a co-analysis of modern and ancient DNA data can shed light on the past. “Studies like this hold great promise not only for understanding Jewish history, but also that of any population.”

    The DNA samples were derived from 38 individuals and through comparisons with modern Ashkenazi genomes the global research team concluded that the medieval Erfurt Jewish population “were noticeably more genetically diverse than modern Ashkenazi Jews,” wrote co-author Hebrew University Professor Shai Carmi.

  • @Priss Factor

    Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis
    @DrLoupis__
    ·
    Aug 2
    Jewish woman freaks out at people holding a memorial for Gaza’s children WHO WERE KILLED BY ISRAEL in Times Square.

    They always get triggered when the children they slaughter are exposed.
     
    Genocide is a Jewish right.

    https://twitter.com/DrLoupis__/status/2083842355098992869

    Replies: @Kingsmeg

    Genocide is a Jewish right.

    https://twitter.com/DrLoupis__/status/2083842355098992869

    Their sacrament, even. Their entire religion and culture rests on this foundation.

    • Thanks: John Trout
  • @anonymous
    The commandant of Treblinka mentioned above, Franz Stangl (1908-71), escaped after the war to Syria and then re-located to Brazil, where he was arrested in 1967 after efforts by Simon Wiesenthal, and than extradited to West Germany. His trial took place in 1970; he was sentenced to life in prison.

    Franz Stangl was the only commandant of an extermination camp who was brought to trial.
     
    Whilst he was appealing his sentence and hoping to get out of prison before he died, Stangl was interviewed extensively 'for 70 hours' by Jewish (via her mother) author Gitta Sereny (1921-2012), Stangl dying of a heart attack in 1971 shortly after the interviews. Sereny was sharply criticised for bringing Stangl soup one day.

    Sereny's book on her interviews with Stangl, 'Into That Darkness', was published in 1974. The book was hailed as involving some degree of confession by a commandant that Treblinka was in fact a death camp, with German Nazis keeping some degree of distance from death operations by using Ukrainian camp guards and staff.

    The denialist claims are that Stangl was trying to win release from prison before he died, by going along with the holocaust narrative ... and that when Gitta Sereny finally published her book, Stangl was no longer arround to contradict anything.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Serious Question: Did anyone ask Eichmann at his trial about the alleged extermination plan or the mechanics of the alleged Death Camps? If not, why not? After all, the Narrative claims that he was one of the highest-level Holocaust Plan architects. Indeed, it was an alleged hearsay statement from Eichmann that supposedly established the iconic “6 million” number at Nuremberg.

    But yet nobody asked him under oath in 1961: “Hey, whose idea was it to use gas chambers, how did those work, how many people were gassed, how did that happen, how were the bodies disposed of, where are they now?”

    Were the Israelis in 1961 just totally incurious about the specifics of the Most Important Event Ever?

  • The Soviet Union( Russian federation) felt a bit envidious about the big kike 6million lie( in launching which they btw actively participated) and they invented their own big lie – 27 million of soviet civilians were killed by the germans!

    It’s hard to invent a similar lie but not for nothing the soviets(the USSR was a purely kike creation) and the kikes are best friends:

    Этот день мы приближали, как могли!

    Мы за ценой не постоим!

    Ага, приблизили, не постояли за ценой, вот теперь и сосут хуй обрезаный и причмокивают! Приятного аппетита!

    So, lets get back to the 27 million soviet civilians “killed by the germans”.

    It happened to me to read the memories of soviets who lived under the german occupation, they were then very young and all them say that life under germans was a lot better than under the bolshevick regime.

    And that number 27 million supposedely “killed” by the germans – it was PHISYCALLY impossible. But what was possible that the soviet(kike) sekret police killed those people in the years preceeding the war, hiding the bones under the snow of Vorkuta and Magadan. And then blamed the germans -lots of people, like e.g. George Galloway accept this lie and repeat it like little fools.

    • Replies: @TGD
    @NRC

    "Осторожно, двери закрываются!"

    Heard on the St. Petersburg metro. What is its real meaning?

    Replies: @NRC

  • The Witness of Time

    Video Link

  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    The concentration camps in Germany were all work camps, not death camps. The death camps were all situated in Poland. To deliberately confuse work camps with death camps and then declare that no camps were death camps, is a cheap trick of denialists.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse

    You write: “The concentration camps in Germany were all work camps, not death camps. The death camps were all situated in Poland. To deliberately confuse work camps with death camps and then declare that no camps were death camps, is a cheap trick of denialists.”

    My response: Originally, the Holocaust story claimed that camps such as Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, etc. in Germany were extermination camps.

    The horrific scenes encountered by U.S. and British troops when they entered German concentration camps at the end of World War II were used to prove a German policy of extermination of the Jews. As gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    So, by the 1960s, Holocaust historians dropped the claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. We are now told that all of the German extermination camps were in Poland. Holocaust historians had to change their claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps because the evidence became overwhelming that no extermination camps existed in Germany.

    • Agree: Epictetus
    • Thanks: John Trout
    • Replies: @NRC
    @John Wear

    First thing first - please stop telling rubbish:

    "Holocaust historians had to change their claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps because the evidence became overwhelming that no extermination camps existed in Germany."

    Extermination camps did not exist only in Germany. EXTERMINATION CAMPS did not exist ANYWHERE!

    The second thing is that all those dead bodies the still show even today were not the bodies presumably discovered by the Allied troops in the camps, but bodies of german POWs who died in the allied captivity and the genius oh horror, Alfred Hitchkock proposed to the allies to film them and to show as "victims" of the german camps.

    Replies: @John Wear

  • Again, for the umpteenth time, it’s a Holohoax!
    A fukkin HOAX.

    • Agree: John Trout
  • Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @saoirse
    @JWalters


    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel.
     
    What polls?? A few kikes feeling the heat and squirming doesn't constitute an epiphany.

    The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.
     
    You can't be serious! Jews are suddenly going to snap out of three millennia of inbred psychotic parasitic malfeasance because you think some veil has been lifted?
    Kevin McDonald and many others prove you're dead wrong.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @JWalters

    “Kevin McDonald and many others prove you’re dead wrong”

    Agreed.

    It will be part genetics and part cultural–but the wall of lies will probably last at least another two thousand years.

    Folks need to stop the habit of adding happy endings to every story–and get real.

  • Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis
    @DrLoupis__
    ·
    Aug 2
    Jewish woman freaks out at people holding a memorial for Gaza’s children WHO WERE KILLED BY ISRAEL in Times Square.

    They always get triggered when the children they slaughter are exposed.

    Genocide is a Jewish right.

    https://twitter.com/DrLoupis__/status/2083842355098992869

    • Replies: @Kingsmeg
    @Priss Factor


    Genocide is a Jewish right.

    https://twitter.com/DrLoupis__/status/2083842355098992869
     
    Their sacrament, even. Their entire religion and culture rests on this foundation.
  • I just don’t understand one thing – after so many years of establishing with absolute certainty that there were NO DEATH CAMPS, NO GAS CHAMBERS, NO NOTHING there is such a debate about jewish-soviet-polish fairy tails. Remember like many years ago I told my polish friend all these “holohox” stories were a complete rubbish, he answered me angrily: What rubbish? That my uncle went through the chimney in Osviencim(Auschwitz)? I asked him then: -How do you know this?
    He answered: – The family received a letter from the german gauleiter’s office saying: – So and so died in the camp after a prolong illness. Was cremated. If you want to know more details you can write at such and such address mentioning the file number X.

    When i heard this i told him: – You polish fool, don’t you understand that those who wrote that letter were true human beings? Imagine a detainee died in the soviet gulag,
    the camp direction would only smile with satisfaction and would NEVER EVER bother themselsves writing a letter to the family…

    And of course there were crematoria in Auschwitz, but it was a kind of luxury to get cremated after death – one had to die of an infectious desease it the camp doctor had to testify it in writing. Because to cremate every corps they have to burn about 50 kilos of coal, and a country fighting a difficult war on two fronts did not have that much coal.

  • The Holocaust survivors are approaching 6 million. Every other old Jew that’s died since 1945 is a survivor. And plenty still insist to believe the VICTIMS!

  • The concentration camps in Germany were all work camps, not death camps. The death camps were all situated in Poland. To deliberately confuse work camps with death camps and then declare that no camps were death camps, is a cheap trick of denialists.

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You write: "The concentration camps in Germany were all work camps, not death camps. The death camps were all situated in Poland. To deliberately confuse work camps with death camps and then declare that no camps were death camps, is a cheap trick of denialists."

    My response: Originally, the Holocaust story claimed that camps such as Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, etc. in Germany were extermination camps.

    The horrific scenes encountered by U.S. and British troops when they entered German concentration camps at the end of World War II were used to prove a German policy of extermination of the Jews. As gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

    So, by the 1960s, Holocaust historians dropped the claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps. We are now told that all of the German extermination camps were in Poland. Holocaust historians had to change their claim that the camps in Germany were extermination camps because the evidence became overwhelming that no extermination camps existed in Germany.

    Replies: @NRC

    , @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Muehlenkamp, is that you? Stop kvetching you twit. Wear just bitch-slapped you again! You're obviously the "thank you sir may I have another" type of guy but you don't care because they pay you by the comment.
    Your own kosher teammates were the ones initially claiming that ALL of the camps were "death camps". No confusion there - or so they thought. They were forced to rework the plot when their 'evidence' came under scrutiny. They were able to carry on with the charade behind the iron curtain until that gig was up. Now they have to either massively fund a bogus PR campaign or resort to strong arm tactics. All of your expensive guile just buys you more sand for your hour glass. It can't buy the truth.

    Replies: @Annacath

  • This screed is total bullshit. Humble nsa lost a close relative at Treblinka. My dear uncle Fritz was dead drunk and fell out of the guard tower…..broke his neck.

    • Replies: @Kingsmeg
    @nsa


    My dear uncle Fritz was dead drunk and fell out of the guard tower…..broke his neck.
     
    Your uncle Fritz may have been related to my father-in-law Hans, who was responsible for more downed fighter planes than any Allied pilot in WW2. Worst mechanic in the Luftwaffe.
  • @Saggy
    I surprised that the author does not cite Eric Hunt's video which demolished Sturdy Colls' idiotic 'research' 10 years ago ...

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/mnjtsCQnTHlK/

    Replies: @anonymous, @Curmudgeon

    Perhaps not a surprise, but also not mentioned is that Hollowco$t “denier” Frederick Töben sent Richard Krege to visit to the site of the Treblinka death camp in October 1999, to use ground penetrating radar to look for mass graves. He couldn’t find any, but noted that there was some ground disturbance in an area there it had been long known a small graveyard existed.

  • Every time this topic comes up, I think of the same thing. Numbers before and after the war. European countries kept records. Even if the records were not entirely thorough, there were still records. Actual census records. School enrollment records. Pension records. Records showing consumption of commodities, which consumption could then be equated to population. Records showing employment and business licenses. Records showing housing stock, which could then be equated to population. Any other records that might exist.

    Maybe some of these records were lost in some of the countries due to the disruption of war. That’s why we have the science of demographics, to reconstruct the demographics of a population from incomplete information. It’s really simple analytics at the bottom of it. If one or several known things are true, what must be true along with these things which we do not know?

    Ditto for after World War II. After World War II, within a short time, record keeping started up again. Look for the same and similar things. Emigration and immigration records from and to various countries, including Israel. Census records. School enrollment records. Other records which can be equated to population.

    Figure out how many people before and how many people after and you know how many people died in between. The number is what it is and you can’t argue with it.

    I have seen precious little on this topic over the course of my sentient lifetime regarding any population or demographic. It almost seems like no one want the world to know any nominally accurate numbers about civilian losses in World War II. All you ever hear about are broad numbers tossed around like buckets of whitewash. 60,000,000 dead worldwide. Six million Jews. 25,000,000 Russians and Soviets. The Japanese killed 20,000,000 Asian civilians.

    It would be nice if someone had something coherent to say about this idea. I have learned not to expect it from the people who populate the Unz Report comment section though. I put my comments up at UR and other place because it helps me work out my ideas and language and because I know that people in higher places around the world read everything because they have to. It’s a big job I am sure, but the world’s intelligence agencies do have to track trends in opinion and thought.

    Myself, I have seen ideas that I have signed on to very early eventually prevail. One of them was the idea that Soviet entry into the Pacific war was what forced the quick Japanese surrender to the Americans, not just the atomic bomb.

    Another one is the idea that the so-called white flight from the American cities in the 1950s was motivated also by the desire of the virile young families to escape the oppressive life of the multi-generational ethnic enclaves they had been raised in. Maybe white flight and the Great Migration should be lumped together as parts of a great American volkwanderung. There were earlier manifestation of the same and have been later ones too. Even the “hippie” diaspora of the 60s and 70s can be looked at through the same lens.

    Then there’s this one. And, also, my theory that community vibrancy in the American context has a lot negative elements associated with it, notably that the vibrant community has is always associated with high rates of youth and young adult violence. Also a resistance to education, especially on the part of the males.

  • @Colin Wright
    @John Wear


    'My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.'
     
    Numbers? And how many were even putative survivors of the Holocaust? For example, I found that two hundred and somethin European Jews had apparently entered Palestine between 1945 and 1949 -- okay, Holocaust survivors.

    But then I found that most of even those Jews had come from Romania -- and while Romania harassed its native Jews, no one ever claimed that they actually killed them. If there were a lot of Holocaust survivors, very, very few chose to go to Palestine.

    So maybe there weren't all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.

    Five million or so went in -- give me counts as to where they came out. Showing they went to eighty six different places establishes nothing at all -- particularly given that most of those claims are dubious in the first place. There were 42,000 Jews in Bialystok in 1941. How many can you find -- anywhere -- in 1945? And even those might be apparatchniks who managed to flee with the Red Army. My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse, @Walter Nowotny, @Alastair Rockwell

    You write: “So maybe there weren’t all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.”

    My response: As we previously discussed, there is evidence indicating that far less than 6 million Jews were killed in the so-called Holocaust. This evidence includes the following:

    1) Stephen F. Pinter, who was a U.S. War Department attorney stationed in Germany after the war, disputed the claim that millions of Jews were murdered by Germany. In a statement made in 1959, he wrote: “From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.” (Source: Stephen Pinter letter in the national Catholic weekly, Our Sunday Visitor, June 14, 1959, p. 15).

    2) The eyewitness testimony of Jewish survivors of the German concentration camps is often cited to establish the genocide of 6 million European Jews by Germany. However, the New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented in 1965 that 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. (Source: Stäglich, Wilhelm, Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 31).

    How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war if Germany had mass murdered 6 million Jews?

    3) As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual restitution claims under the terms of the German Federal Compensation Law (BEG) of 1953 and 1956. This law provides monetary compensation to individuals who were “persecuted for political, racial, religious or ideological reasons” by the wartime German government. The great majority of these successful restitution claims were from Jews. Raul Hilberg estimated that about two thirds of the allowed claims had been from Jews. (Source: Hilberg testimony in Zündel case, Toronto District Court, Jan. 18, 1985. Transcript p. 1229).

    Using Hilberg’s conservative estimate would mean that Jews had received over 2.9 million BEG restitution claims by January 1984.

    These successful Jewish BEG claims understate the number of potential successful BEG claims to Jews because, as of 1985, Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were not eligible for BEG restitution. Also, some European Jews who survived World War II died before the German BEG restitution law was enacted in 1953. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust” survivors around the world in 1985 had received restitution under BEG. (Source: Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Sunday, March 31, 1985, p. 15A. See also Weber, Mark, “Wilhelm Höttl and the Elusive ‘Six Million’,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 20, No. 5/6, Sept./Dec. 2001, pp. 29-30).

    If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean there would have been approximately 5.8 million successful BEG restitution claims if all Jewish survivors of World War II had been eligible to receive BEG restitution.

    Since the number of BEG compensation claims is larger than the number of BEG claimants, the exact number of Jewish recipients of BEG compensation cannot be obtained. Nevertheless, these BEG compensation figures indicate that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during World War II. (Source: Weber, Mark, “West Germany’s Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry,” The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1988, Vol. 8, No. 2, p. 248).

    4) Another factor making impossible the official number of 6 million Jews dying in German camps is the fact that thousands of corpses could not have been cremated every day at Auschwitz-Birkenau as is commonly claimed. Ivan Lagacé, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that the claim that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could cremate over 4,400 bodies in a day was “ludicrous,” “preposterous” and “beyond the realm of reality.” (Source: Canadian Jewish News, Toronto, Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3. See also Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 270).

    5) The book The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry by Walter Sanning is probably the most scholarly study ever written of 20th century Jewish demography, especially in its analysis of World War II related Jewish population changes. Sanning bases his study almost exclusively on Allied, Zionist, and pro-Zionist West German sources. His analysis includes evidence given by the wartime U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, the Institute of Jewish Affairs, the American Jewish Yearbook, official census publications, and the pro-Zionist Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. Sanning keeps his book as free of emotion as possible in order to contribute to a genuine discussion underlying the charge of German genocide.

    While it would be impossible for anyone to give an exact number of Jews who died in the German camps during World War II, The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry proves that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during the war. Sanning calculates that the worldwide losses suffered by Jews during the Second World War are approximately 1¼ million. (Source: Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry, Costa Mesa, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 198).

    Sanning estimates that 15,967,000 Jews were alive in 1941 before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, and that the Jewish population was reduced to approximately 14,730,000 after the war. (Source: Ibid., p. 199).

    Importantly, Sanning shows that many of these Jewish losses were caused not by the direct impact of the war or by a program of German genocide, but by Soviet barbarism. Sanning states that hundreds of thousands of Jews lost their lives during the Soviet deportation to the east or in the Siberian labor and concentration camps. Sanning concludes that the food supply, shelter, and clothing provided to the Jewish inmates in the Soviet camps was woefully inadequate, and that medical attention was almost completely lacking. (Ibid., pp. 106-109)

    Sanning’s conclusion is supported by Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger, who states: “In Southern Siberia the death-rate was very high for…Jews.” (Source: Reitlinger, Gerald, The Final Solution, New York: A. S. Barnes & Company, Inc., 1961, p. 499).

    According to Sanning’s analysis, more Jews died in Soviet camps than died in German camps during World War II.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Wear

    We're going in circles. I've already responded to all these points. In fact, my guess is you just copied and pasted that earlier post.

    Replies: @John Wear

  • @JWalters
    "We need never accept this fiction as truth, and we need never feel any guilt, or make any amends for it, ever again."

    The psychopathic personality of Israelis is rooted in fear. It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught "another Holocaust is right around the corner", that it's a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors. They are taught to despise Jesus and spit at churches.

    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.

    Although the Book of Jeremiah says the Jewish God dropped his protection because of their bad behavior, the Babylonian Talmud acknowledges no Jewish wrongdoing. Instead, non-Jews are declared to be sub-human predators, and Jews are given a divine right to deceive, rob, and murder them with impunity. The only caveat is to avoid being caught, since it might cause blowback on the Jews. Douglas Reed discusses this development in chapter 4 "The Forging of the Chains" in his deep dive research, available in the Unz Review book collection.
    The Controversy of Zion
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    This belief system, born in fear during subjugated captivity, hypothesized a contrary superiority. For safety, the superiority was secretive and acted subversively. This survival strategy was encoded and passed down over time.

    To maintain this mindset in the Jewish community, while avoiding intense cognitive dissonance from competing perceptions, some major lies must be told to the Jewish community.

    One such major lie is the fictitious story about the birth of today's Israel. A myth has been concocted about heroic Jews defending their land from terrorist Arabs. The facts are just the opposite.
    War Profiteers and the Roots of the 'War on Terror'
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    Another potent myth is that of the Holocaust. This enables the fearsome threat that another Holocaust is "right around the corner". An excellent introduction to the facts behind this fearful myth is the Ron Unz article.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel. The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Epictetus, @Colin Wright, @Snow Leopard, @S1

    JWalters: More good work on our part. Much respect. When speaking of the cultural institutionalization of fear we would do well to take note of the scientific research conducted on the effects of male circumcision on the 8th day. This scientific research was done in Western hospitals using the MRI scanning technique. The brains of babies who had recently been subjected to the trauma of circumcision after having been only 8 days out of their mother’s womb were examined by the MRI scanning technology. In every case the MRI detected significant destructive malformation of the baby’s brains. The nurses and doctors who understood how to interpret the readings of the MRI machine concluded that this revealed profound trauma that will have a crippling effect on the psychological development of those male infants.

    When the medical personnel involved attempted to publish the devastating results of their research, the hospital authorities (I believe Canadian) absolutely forbid that publication. This was covered up by seemingly non Jews. The consequences of this scientific finding was judged to be politically intolerable by the medical establishment involved.

    Science tells us that the fear, whilst having a basis in cultural history is grounded in acute physical trauma, which is religiously sanctified.

    I don’t know about you. But given that the human mind operates inside a unified mass psychic field (i.e., it is a collective phenomenon) we can perhaps surmise that the ancient concept of sorcery is in play here. Sorcery wherein intensely focused mind energy is directed into the mass energy field of the collective mind supercharging it with fear.

    Fear of exposing male 8 day circumcision of the genital pleasure principle as a cause of tribal criminal psychopathy. In terrified subconscious fear of an ancient tribal God. The God sorcerers employ to infect the minds of non Jewish Christians.

    I read your analysis as sound Mr Walters and seek to strengthen it with this addition of the science pertaining to Jewish circumcision.

    • LOL: Kingsmeg
    • Replies: @JWalters
    @Snow Leopard

    Thanks for your comment.

    I agree that childhood trauma can have lasting effects. It's well-known by now that serial abusers typically were abused as children.

    Regarding circumcision abuse, my family came from a circumcising Protestant tradition, but I don't see in myself or my brothers the stereotypical Jewish psychopathologies. I'm aware of a brief trauma around age 3-4, and a mild residual effect (since cleaned out). And I've talked with a number of people about their childhood traumas and the effects.

    My sense is that not a lot of research has been done quantifying the effects of childhood trauma - severity, duration, and timing of the trauma, and the severity and duration of the effects. A single outburst of anger by a "giant" parent can be a traumatic experience for tiny child. These experiences, like scary dreams, are quite common, and kids seem generally resilient to them.

    So while circumcision is undoubtedly traumatic, it's not clear to me how deep or lasting are its effects. At this point I would estimate that the psychopathic behavior of Israelis is due more to their enculturation. We know they are explicitly taught to be psychopaths.

    Replies: @Snow Leopard

  • @xyzxy
    It's what is to be expected when you begin your forensic analysis with the conclusion already established. Then, the only thing you can do is try and 'squeeze' the facts into an obvious absurdity. Really just a variation on the old Soviet prosecutorial addage: Show me the man...

    Taking a cue from the pop scene, before this lady made a fool of herself someone should have told her, "Caroline, No! If the glove don't fit you gotta aquit."

    On the other hand, if your goal is to scam some of that three million dollar Jew money given out to promote their legend, you're not very well going be able to produce something forensically solid. And it's why you won't find a legitimate scientist like Authur Butz standing on the stage sporting a goofy 'take it to the bank, puppies are cute' smile.

    Replies: @Rev. Spooner

    This idea of drawing air out recalls early claims that a “vacuum” killed the Jews—a claim quickly dropped after the war.

    The block quote that I have posted is from this article.
    From what I have read on this subject of the holocaust, the holocaust was never mentioned for a number of years by anyone, including the jews after the war and here the author is talking “quickly dropped after the war
    Being a devils advocate

    • Replies: @Wetzelrad
    @Rev. Spooner

    It's not true that the Holocaust was unmentioned after the war. Definitely the brand name did not come about until later, and the broad historical works of the time had little to say about it, and the popular consciousness of it did not develop until Hollywood churned out enough movies about it -- but Germans were still subjected to the Allies' atrocity propaganda as part of denazification, and many Germans were charged with ghastly crimes in kangaroo trials, and some few Jewish authors did attempt to record their stories in book form. It was in those early books and trials that efforts were made to filter out the less-credible claims like vacuum chambers and mass electrocution, with narratives generally coalescing around more-believable gas chambers. This is the point Skrbina is making.

    , @bike-anarkist
    @Rev. Spooner

    The Holocaust wasn't even mentioned in the 1968 edition of the Encyclopedia Britanica.

  • @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You ask about Jewish survivors: "So what happened to them?"

    My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    Take the Jews of Corfu. The conventional story:

    ‘About two hundred Jews succeeded to flee. On the dawn of the following day, the Germans arrested all the others and deported them to Auschwitz via Athens. The Nazis and the mob looted their homes and shops. Out of 1900 Jews of Corfu, about 180 survived the Holocaust. Many of them emigrated to Israel or settled in big cities. In 1946 the Community had 140 members’

    So it’s acknowledged that about two hundred escaped being rounded up. Of those, one hundred and forty did the obvious thing and went back to their homes.

    What about the other seventeen hundred? Corfu’s a very nice place; if they weren’t killed, why not go back home? If not, where did they go?

    Or maybe they really were killed.

    • Troll: bike-anarkist
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Colin Wright

    There was a significant Jewish colony on Corfu before WW2, speaking a sort of Venetian dialect as a home language. The dialect died out, most of its speakers having been killed.

  • The ‘Holocaust’: a triumph of hysterical assertion over historical fact.

  • @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You ask about Jewish survivors: "So what happened to them?"

    My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.’

    Numbers? And how many were even putative survivors of the Holocaust? For example, I found that two hundred and somethin European Jews had apparently entered Palestine between 1945 and 1949 — okay, Holocaust survivors.

    But then I found that most of even those Jews had come from Romania — and while Romania harassed its native Jews, no one ever claimed that they actually killed them. If there were a lot of Holocaust survivors, very, very few chose to go to Palestine.

    So maybe there weren’t all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.

    Five million or so went in — give me counts as to where they came out. Showing they went to eighty six different places establishes nothing at all — particularly given that most of those claims are dubious in the first place. There were 42,000 Jews in Bialystok in 1941. How many can you find — anywhere — in 1945? And even those might be apparatchniks who managed to flee with the Red Army. My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You write: "So maybe there weren’t all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed."

    My response: As we previously discussed, there is evidence indicating that far less than 6 million Jews were killed in the so-called Holocaust. This evidence includes the following:

    1) Stephen F. Pinter, who was a U.S. War Department attorney stationed in Germany after the war, disputed the claim that millions of Jews were murdered by Germany. In a statement made in 1959, he wrote: “From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.” (Source: Stephen Pinter letter in the national Catholic weekly, Our Sunday Visitor, June 14, 1959, p. 15).

    2) The eyewitness testimony of Jewish survivors of the German concentration camps is often cited to establish the genocide of 6 million European Jews by Germany. However, the New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented in 1965 that 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. (Source: Stäglich, Wilhelm, Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 31).

    How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war if Germany had mass murdered 6 million Jews?

    3) As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual restitution claims under the terms of the German Federal Compensation Law (BEG) of 1953 and 1956. This law provides monetary compensation to individuals who were “persecuted for political, racial, religious or ideological reasons” by the wartime German government. The great majority of these successful restitution claims were from Jews. Raul Hilberg estimated that about two thirds of the allowed claims had been from Jews. (Source: Hilberg testimony in Zündel case, Toronto District Court, Jan. 18, 1985. Transcript p. 1229).

    Using Hilberg’s conservative estimate would mean that Jews had received over 2.9 million BEG restitution claims by January 1984.

    These successful Jewish BEG claims understate the number of potential successful BEG claims to Jews because, as of 1985, Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were not eligible for BEG restitution. Also, some European Jews who survived World War II died before the German BEG restitution law was enacted in 1953. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust” survivors around the world in 1985 had received restitution under BEG. (Source: Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Sunday, March 31, 1985, p. 15A. See also Weber, Mark, “Wilhelm Höttl and the Elusive ‘Six Million’,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 20, No. 5/6, Sept./Dec. 2001, pp. 29-30).

    If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean there would have been approximately 5.8 million successful BEG restitution claims if all Jewish survivors of World War II had been eligible to receive BEG restitution.

    Since the number of BEG compensation claims is larger than the number of BEG claimants, the exact number of Jewish recipients of BEG compensation cannot be obtained. Nevertheless, these BEG compensation figures indicate that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during World War II. (Source: Weber, Mark, “West Germany’s Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry,” The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1988, Vol. 8, No. 2, p. 248).

    4) Another factor making impossible the official number of 6 million Jews dying in German camps is the fact that thousands of corpses could not have been cremated every day at Auschwitz-Birkenau as is commonly claimed. Ivan Lagacé, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that the claim that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could cremate over 4,400 bodies in a day was “ludicrous,” “preposterous” and “beyond the realm of reality.” (Source: Canadian Jewish News, Toronto, Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3. See also Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 270).

    5) The book The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry by Walter Sanning is probably the most scholarly study ever written of 20th century Jewish demography, especially in its analysis of World War II related Jewish population changes. Sanning bases his study almost exclusively on Allied, Zionist, and pro-Zionist West German sources. His analysis includes evidence given by the wartime U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, the Institute of Jewish Affairs, the American Jewish Yearbook, official census publications, and the pro-Zionist Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. Sanning keeps his book as free of emotion as possible in order to contribute to a genuine discussion underlying the charge of German genocide.

    While it would be impossible for anyone to give an exact number of Jews who died in the German camps during World War II, The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry proves that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during the war. Sanning calculates that the worldwide losses suffered by Jews during the Second World War are approximately 1¼ million. (Source: Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry, Costa Mesa, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1990, p. 198).

    Sanning estimates that 15,967,000 Jews were alive in 1941 before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, and that the Jewish population was reduced to approximately 14,730,000 after the war. (Source: Ibid., p. 199).

    Importantly, Sanning shows that many of these Jewish losses were caused not by the direct impact of the war or by a program of German genocide, but by Soviet barbarism. Sanning states that hundreds of thousands of Jews lost their lives during the Soviet deportation to the east or in the Siberian labor and concentration camps. Sanning concludes that the food supply, shelter, and clothing provided to the Jewish inmates in the Soviet camps was woefully inadequate, and that medical attention was almost completely lacking. (Ibid., pp. 106-109)

    Sanning’s conclusion is supported by Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger, who states: “In Southern Siberia the death-rate was very high for…Jews.” (Source: Reitlinger, Gerald, The Final Solution, New York: A. S. Barnes & Company, Inc., 1961, p. 499).

    According to Sanning’s analysis, more Jews died in Soviet camps than died in German camps during World War II.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @saoirse
    @Colin Wright


    My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.
     
    Then grab a shovel and go find them! Stop by Corfu and dig there too. Let us know what you found. Take pictures!
    , @Walter Nowotny
    @Colin Wright

    Well, if you bet on it, that's certainly good enough for me.

    , @Alastair Rockwell
    @Colin Wright

    "So maybe there weren’t all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed."

    - Yes THIS is exactly the problem with ALL your argumentation, it is in the end nothing but a wish-washy "maybe, could, I think.." and utterly wild meshed claims throwing around "Five million or so went in" WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF ACADEMIC ACCURACY AND MOST OF ALL NOT A TRACE OF ACTUAL DOING ANY REAL RESEARCH YOURSELF.

    Or of course, please proof me wrong- please name ANY (1) of the over 50 fully academic full-length revisionist works (that deal exactly in excruciating detail with ALL THE ARMCHAIR WILD CLAIMS YOU go on broken record repeat with here)THAT YOU HAVE EVER ACTUALLY READ?

    E.G. all the exact actual demographic statistics regarding Jewish pre-post-war demographics:

    https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/
    (Chapters 8,9,10)

    https://codoh.com/library/document/new-insights-into-the-dissolution-of-eastern-european-jewry/

    All most concisely summed up in this essay by G. Rudolf:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/holocaust-victims-a-statistical-analysis/


    Yet, do I assume correctly, since you never truly address ANY of ALL these academic details, YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ ANY OF THOSE?

    Thus posing the inevitable main question and judgement, that THIS IS THE REAL DIFFERENCE between you and those from the revisionist side here on the forum (like John Wear a.o.), NOT that you and them have DIFFERENT VIEWS on the same topic, each to his/her own, but that WHEN PRESENTED WITH ACADEMIC MATERIAL CONFRONTING ONES VIEWS, YOU EXHIBIT A TOTAL LACK OF INTEREST/WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE FAIRLY WITH IT, WHILE THEY DO without problem.

    Proving beyond all doubt that your endless stream of argumentation fails all standards of academic, objective truth-seeking and has nothing to do with that quest, but is mere emotionally loaded opinion-bashing.

    Or again, please proof me wrong, of course, either
    A) read/address ANY of all the exact detailed data and material presented in the above links
    or/and then
    B) present fully ACADEMIC material challenging my (John`s, etc) views and data and see that guaranteed we will always be willing to actually read and engage with it according to scientific standards of striving for objectivity.

    To end with circling back to your fascinating initial quote "Five million or so went in":

    - Besides ALL the linked to academic statistics proving this figure as utter nonsense already (yet of course you never read/cite nor address them ever nor will ?), in addition, THIS is where even according to official German and Jewish sources between "3.5 to 6 Million (!)" of those - just for sake of argument accepted- "5 Million" seem to provably interestingly have gone:

    https://ihr.org/journal/v08p243_weber-html

    "By the end of 1980, a German government agency reported, the number of successful claims was 4,344,378 (for Holocaust survivors), with payments reaching 50.18 billion German marks. About 40 percent of the claimants lived in Israel, some 20 percent were living in West Germany, and 40 percent elsewhere.(i.e. around 80% or 3.5 Million were claims by Jewish claimants)"

    Yet, fascinatingly, even when considering that probably not all of these claims were from individual Jews, i.e. some filed multiple ones, meaning the number of claims is higher than claimants:

    "Nevertheless, the Atlanta (Jewish news-agency) Journal and Constitution stated in 1985 that about half of the Jewish “survivors” in the world have never received reparations money. “An estimated 50 percent” of the Holocaust “survivors throughout the world are on West German pensions,” the newspaper reported"

    Meaning that even when reducing the number of claimants to 2 Million or so, still this presents only half of the actual number of Holocaust survivors, i.e. 4 Million of your "5 Million" are accounted for....

    But then again, why engage with actual demographic and academic rigor research, if one can just throw around Millions figure and wild claims without bothering to prove anything...?

  • @gotmituns
    What could it be about jews that over so many centuries, different peoples have wanted to kill or expel them?

    "Where there is no antisemitism, there are no jews.? Theodor Herzl

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    What could it be about jews that over so many centuries, different peoples have wanted to kill or expel them?

    We may be seeing that right now. Perhaps, when they come into conflict with the larger community, they engage in the same pattern of increasingly ethnocentric and provocative behavior evident now. After all, most Jews in the United States seventy years ago were ‘making nice;’ they were trying to fit in. It was ‘Americans all’ and so on.

    Then they came into conflict with the rest of us, and as the conflict has worsened, so has their behavior, and as their behavior worsens, more and more notice, and become more and more hostile.

    Now it’s fashionable among some of them to even deny that they are white. Okay — but have they ever asked themselves where all this ends up?

    As far as past episodes go, there would seem to be similarities to the sequence of Jewish adherence to Bolshevism — participation in its atrocities — popular reaction among the victims when the Germans showed up in 1941. The pogroms associated with Bohdan Khmelnytski in the Seventeenth century owed much to the Jewish role in the oppression of the Ukrainians by the Poles. Whether there was the same spiral apparent in modern America I don’t know.

  • @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    So...... I knew I'd hook some overzealous wanker that just had to chime in with the 'Hunt recanted and is now telling the holy truth' bollocks. I was expecting Mean Jew Jew but you'll do.
    Adrift in your confirmation bias, you only acknowledge the 'off' of Hunt's on-off-on the revisionist bus saga. It was quite a ride and he was/is deeply affected by it. Perhaps you should venture out of the moldy Holocaust Controversies basement and avail youself to the speculation as to why he suddenly went kosher. He's back on now, at least in part. Regardless, the gist of his videos remain intact.
    While you're in the fresh air, try to actually read a few of the revisionist books and articles on the subject instead of interjecting with the hackneyed 5 Stooges 'gotcha' factoids.
    Maybe one day you'll write a comment where you're not bitch-slapped by a John Wear et. al. rebuttal.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

    Good, so now explain how those Jews after being robbed of their clothes and shoes, went naked and barefoot to their “resettlement camps in the East” and survived the war to tell their stories.

    • Replies: @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    LOL. Throw out as many red herrings as you like. Now run along and help your buddy Colin Wright dig up some of those remains. Take Lipstadt with you.

    , @Anon
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    No one is saying they were sent buck naked to the East other than you. The idea that Germany couldn't provide clothes and shoes and other basic necessities to prisoners is pretty laughable, is that the best you've got?

    Also, if the Germans went to such extreme methods to hide their crimes at Treblinka, one wonders why they didn't also incinerate the prisoners' clothes and shoes at Auschwitz? Burning the pile of clothes/shoes on display there would only have taken one soldier one afternoon. But I guess you think they were in such a rush to leave the camp that they simply didn't have enough time/resources to finish the job. lol

  • @Kevin Barrett
    Jewish religious law prevents archeologists from digging anywhere where there are supposed to be millions of Jewish bodies but actually aren't any.

    Replies: @Abhuman, @Kingsmeg, @thotmonger, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    Since the bodies were alleged to be victims of murder and buried without respect, the right thing to do might be to exhume the remains, determine the cause of death and then bury them properly. No?

    What I am also wondering is if there was DNA analysis to determine what proportion of the uncovered dental/teeth remains have been identified as being people of Jewish ancestry? This has been done elsewhere and it would be helpful information to have at Treblinka. Naturally estimates should also be made of the total number of human remains disposed there and how many may have been Jewish. This should be based on physical evidence, not legends.

    https://theconversation.com/ancient-dna-from-the-teeth-of-14th-century-ashkenazi-jews-in-germany-already-included-genetic-variations-common-in-modern-jews-194780

  • @Colin Wright
    @Fourth Horseman


    'So, likely a lot fewer than 1 million reached the camp. What if it was only 100,000, with maybe a few thousand dead bodies, and the rest dispersed over a vast captured Russian territory? That would solve multiple problems at once.'
     
    It solve problems, but it just creates another problem: where did they all go? They weren't there in 1945. Why, if they weren't killed, wouldn't they have simply returned to their original homes...some of them, at least?

    They didn't: they were simply gone. Bialystok had 42,000 Jews in 1936; now it has six.

    This is unheard-of demographic perfection. After all, even those European communities most heavily affected by emigration to America saw only a third of so of their members leave. Worse, the blessed six million don't turn up anywhere else; there are increases, but nothing like the decreases. Palestine, for example, only seems to have acquired a hundred thousand or so actual Holocaust survivors.

    So what happened to them?

    Replies: @John Wear

    You ask about Jewish survivors: “So what happened to them?”

    My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Wear


    'My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.'
     
    Numbers? And how many were even putative survivors of the Holocaust? For example, I found that two hundred and somethin European Jews had apparently entered Palestine between 1945 and 1949 -- okay, Holocaust survivors.

    But then I found that most of even those Jews had come from Romania -- and while Romania harassed its native Jews, no one ever claimed that they actually killed them. If there were a lot of Holocaust survivors, very, very few chose to go to Palestine.

    So maybe there weren't all that many Holocaust survivors in the first place. Maybe most of the Jews who fell under German rule really were killed.

    Five million or so went in -- give me counts as to where they came out. Showing they went to eighty six different places establishes nothing at all -- particularly given that most of those claims are dubious in the first place. There were 42,000 Jews in Bialystok in 1941. How many can you find -- anywhere -- in 1945? And even those might be apparatchniks who managed to flee with the Red Army. My betting remains that the Germans methodically killed every Jew they found in Bialystok.

    Replies: @John Wear, @saoirse, @Walter Nowotny, @Alastair Rockwell

    , @Colin Wright
    @John Wear

    Take the Jews of Corfu. The conventional story:


    'About two hundred Jews succeeded to flee. On the dawn of the following day, the Germans arrested all the others and deported them to Auschwitz via Athens. The Nazis and the mob looted their homes and shops. Out of 1900 Jews of Corfu, about 180 survived the Holocaust. Many of them emigrated to Israel or settled in big cities. In 1946 the Community had 140 members'
     
    So it's acknowledged that about two hundred escaped being rounded up. Of those, one hundred and forty did the obvious thing and went back to their homes.

    What about the other seventeen hundred? Corfu's a very nice place; if they weren't killed, why not go back home? If not, where did they go?

    Or maybe they really were killed.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  • @Madbadger
    To approach this subject from a different direction, I would ask myself were the Germans intelligent? The answer is shown to us by their many scientific and technical achievements. They were intelligent enough to come up with a much better way to exterminate a massive amount of people than the gas chamber myth. Just dig a large deep hole and throw them in would suffice. Cover with dirt when full and then dig another one. Easier and more efficient than gassing and hauling the bodies to the hole that had to be dug either way. The holohoax is nonsense no matter how you look at it.

    Replies: @onetwothree

    Here’s a clever way to kill prisoners: Stop feeding them. This method actually saves money. Gas chambers just make no sense

  • @Fourth Horseman
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    So, likely a lot fewer than 1 million reached the camp. What if it was only 100,000, with maybe a few thousand dead bodies, and the rest dispersed over a vast captured Russian territory? That would solve multiple problems at once.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘So, likely a lot fewer than 1 million reached the camp. What if it was only 100,000, with maybe a few thousand dead bodies, and the rest dispersed over a vast captured Russian territory? That would solve multiple problems at once.’

    It solve problems, but it just creates another problem: where did they all go? They weren’t there in 1945. Why, if they weren’t killed, wouldn’t they have simply returned to their original homes…some of them, at least?

    They didn’t: they were simply gone. Bialystok had 42,000 Jews in 1936; now it has six.

    This is unheard-of demographic perfection. After all, even those European communities most heavily affected by emigration to America saw only a third of so of their members leave. Worse, the blessed six million don’t turn up anywhere else; there are increases, but nothing like the decreases. Palestine, for example, only seems to have acquired a hundred thousand or so actual Holocaust survivors.

    So what happened to them?

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @Colin Wright

    You ask about Jewish survivors: "So what happened to them?"

    My response: As we previously discussed, according to the Jewish-controlled Claims Conference, they went to 86 different countries.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn't find any evidence of the so-called "resettlement" of the Jews in the East.

    If Treblinka was really a "transit camp" where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn't they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed, for which in the small camp of Treblinka no facilities existed. So...

    Replies: @Fourth Horseman, @saoirse, @Alastair Rockwell, @Wetzelrad

    So…… I knew I’d hook some overzealous wanker that just had to chime in with the ‘Hunt recanted and is now telling the holy truth’ bollocks. I was expecting Mean Jew Jew but you’ll do.
    Adrift in your confirmation bias, you only acknowledge the ‘off’ of Hunt’s on-off-on the revisionist bus saga. It was quite a ride and he was/is deeply affected by it. Perhaps you should venture out of the moldy Holocaust Controversies basement and avail youself to the speculation as to why he suddenly went kosher. He’s back on now, at least in part. Regardless, the gist of his videos remain intact.
    While you’re in the fresh air, try to actually read a few of the revisionist books and articles on the subject instead of interjecting with the hackneyed 5 Stooges ‘gotcha’ factoids.
    Maybe one day you’ll write a comment where you’re not bitch-slapped by a John Wear et. al. rebuttal.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Good, so now explain how those Jews after being robbed of their clothes and shoes, went naked and barefoot to their "resettlement camps in the East" and survived the war to tell their stories.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Anon

  • Jews never forget and never forgive. Not applicable to gentiles who do forget and forgive.

    There are two Jewish “charities” that fool gentiles into giving money ostensibly to help Ukrainian Holocaust™ survivors and little children: “International Fellowship of Christians and Jews” and “1 877 Kars for Kids.”

    Both are guilty of false advertising. Both have been exposed for what they really are but continue to advertise for donations on TV. Why do the goyim keep falling for this?

  • @saoirse
    @JWalters


    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel.
     
    What polls?? A few kikes feeling the heat and squirming doesn't constitute an epiphany.

    The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.
     
    You can't be serious! Jews are suddenly going to snap out of three millennia of inbred psychotic parasitic malfeasance because you think some veil has been lifted?
    Kevin McDonald and many others prove you're dead wrong.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous, @JWalters

    ‘You can’t be serious! Jews are suddenly going to snap out of three millennia of inbred psychotic parasitic malfeasance because you think some veil has been lifted?
    Kevin McDonald and many others prove you’re dead wrong.’

    It’s an interesting question. The very hysteria about Israel and the Holocaust shows how thin Jewish identity is becoming; it’s all they have left. Is it entirely coincidental that the only large body of explicit indifference to Israel is found among the ultra-Orthodox, that it is precisely those Jews who are still most Jewish who fret about these totems the least?

    Most ‘Jews’ in Israel don’t even bother to go to synagogue. It’s as if Evangelicals never bothered with Church.

    Culturally and demographically, this is a dying religion. They’re certainly creating a lot of misery on their way out, but they do seem to be on their way out. If there’s no Judaism at all, we’ll no longer have the Jared Kushners, the Larry Ellisons, the Paul Singers.

  • @JWalters
    "We need never accept this fiction as truth, and we need never feel any guilt, or make any amends for it, ever again."

    The psychopathic personality of Israelis is rooted in fear. It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught "another Holocaust is right around the corner", that it's a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors. They are taught to despise Jesus and spit at churches.

    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.

    Although the Book of Jeremiah says the Jewish God dropped his protection because of their bad behavior, the Babylonian Talmud acknowledges no Jewish wrongdoing. Instead, non-Jews are declared to be sub-human predators, and Jews are given a divine right to deceive, rob, and murder them with impunity. The only caveat is to avoid being caught, since it might cause blowback on the Jews. Douglas Reed discusses this development in chapter 4 "The Forging of the Chains" in his deep dive research, available in the Unz Review book collection.
    The Controversy of Zion
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    This belief system, born in fear during subjugated captivity, hypothesized a contrary superiority. For safety, the superiority was secretive and acted subversively. This survival strategy was encoded and passed down over time.

    To maintain this mindset in the Jewish community, while avoiding intense cognitive dissonance from competing perceptions, some major lies must be told to the Jewish community.

    One such major lie is the fictitious story about the birth of today's Israel. A myth has been concocted about heroic Jews defending their land from terrorist Arabs. The facts are just the opposite.
    War Profiteers and the Roots of the 'War on Terror'
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    Another potent myth is that of the Holocaust. This enables the fearsome threat that another Holocaust is "right around the corner". An excellent introduction to the facts behind this fearful myth is the Ron Unz article.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel. The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Epictetus, @Colin Wright, @Snow Leopard, @S1

    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.

    There was no Babylonian captivity. All the evidence is that Judaism didn’t exist at that time.

    • Replies: @JWalters
    @Colin Wright

    Could you provide a reference for when the Babylonian Talmud was composed (as distinct from the Jerusalem Talmud)? Thanks.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  • What are religious systems if not guides for ethics? Any religion worth its salt must give its followers a concrete notion of the good life—of virtue, justice, and rectitude. It needs to offer a conception of what counts as good in this world; it must explain how a person can be good, and how people...
  • anonymous[888] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Nice article. Thank you for your work!

    The Talmud is thus the Jewish mindset in print; it is there for all to see. Be not surprised at the consequences.
     
    As a professional racist I really appreciate your final conclusion here. The cultural products of a people should always be seen as a reflection of their psychology/temperament/mentality, which in turn is an expression of their genes.

    When it comes to the various cults around this imaginary desert deity I would suggest NOT to use the term religion. Even though they have religious aspects in practice nobody cares about their naïve beliefs or their weird rituals. What really creates the problem are their policies and politics.
    Therefore we are better off if we think of them as political movements rather than spiritual systems or religions.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Mental illness is more like it.

  • Long ago, there was a small place in the Polish countryside where, it was said, up to 1 million human beings met their demise over the course of some 10 months. This small place, comprising only around 50 acres of land, was located about 1.5 miles from the small village of Treblinka (population circa 300)....
  • To approach this subject from a different direction, I would ask myself were the Germans intelligent? The answer is shown to us by their many scientific and technical achievements. They were intelligent enough to come up with a much better way to exterminate a massive amount of people than the gas chamber myth. Just dig a large deep hole and throw them in would suffice. Cover with dirt when full and then dig another one. Easier and more efficient than gassing and hauling the bodies to the hole that had to be dug either way. The holohoax is nonsense no matter how you look at it.

    • Replies: @onetwothree
    @Madbadger

    Here's a clever way to kill prisoners: Stop feeding them. This method actually saves money. Gas chambers just make no sense

  • @Colin Wright

    '...And any engine, of any kind, cannot simply pump exhaust gas into an enclosed, “air tight” room; the back-pressure would increase until the engine stalled...'
     
    How then, is it possible to commit suicide simply by idling your car in a closed garage?

    This admittedly doesn't address the argument against diesel engines, but engines of other kinds will definitely work.

    Replies: @Marcali, @John Pepple

    I thought what was meant was that the engine was outside the room with a tube from the exhaust leading to an opening in the room. If there were no other openings, the engine would stall pretty quickly. But it’s different if the engine is already in the room.

  • @anon
    Scrutinize the evidence, incl. primary sources, on this site
    https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/
    and then post a mega essay online.

    Replies: @John Wear

    You write: “Scrutinize the evidence, incl. primary sources, on this site
    https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/ and then post a mega essay online.”

    My response: All right.

    According to Holocaust historians, the bodies of Jews gassed at the Aktion Reinhardt camps were first buried in mass graves. The bodies were later exhumed and burned in the open air. (Source: Rudolf, Germar, Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross-Examined, 4th edition, Bargoed, UK: Castle Hill Publishers, January 2023, p. 269).

    This story lacks all credibility. First, it would have required a tremendous amount of work to bury hundreds of thousands of dead bodies in a few months at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. It would have then required an enormous amount of work to recover these buried bodies and place them on the open-air pyres to be cremated. Finally, it would have required an enormous amount of wood to burn the dead bodies on open-air pyres. The Germans were not so stupid to have used such a labor-intensive and costly process when far better alternatives were available.

    It would have been enormously difficult, if not impossible, to cremate 870,000 bodies at Treblinka through open air cremations. Germar Rudolf calculates that without wood between the corpse layers, each pyre of the fire grates would have been about nine meters high. With wood between the layers, each pyre would have been over 26 meters high. This would result in a total weight of over 700 metric tons per pyre for successful cremations. Even if the Germans had managed to build such a pile, it would be only a matter of time before the corpses fell over to one side, because fires never burn evenly. Realistically, a stable pile cannot be built that is higher than it is wide. (Ibid., pp. 271-273).

    Based on several cremation experiments, Carlo Mattogno determines that 160 kg of wood are needed to cremate a human body weighing 45 kg. He calculates that the burning of 870,000 bodies at Treblinka would have left 1,950 tons of human ashes, plus 11,100 tons of wood ashes. The total volume of ashes would have amounted to approximately 48,400 cubic meters. Also, 139,200 metric tons of wood would have been required for the incineration of the bodies. Since human teeth and bones cannot be completely destroyed through open air cremations, myriads of teeth and bone fragments would have been scattered at the site of the former camp. (Source: Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Transit Camp or Extermination Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 150-151).

    Even if Mattogno’s calculations are significantly inflated, the mass extermination of approximately 870,000 people at Treblinka would have left huge amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones. The fact that large quantities of these have not been found indicates that the mass extermination of inmates did not take place at Treblinka.

    Although enormous amounts of fuel would have been needed to cremate the hundreds of thousands of alleged corpses, there is also no credible documentary record or witness recollection of the great quantities of firewood that would have been required.

    • Thanks: Epictetus, John Trout
  • @Kevin Barrett
    Jewish religious law prevents archeologists from digging anywhere where there are supposed to be millions of Jewish bodies but actually aren't any.

    Replies: @Abhuman, @Kingsmeg, @thotmonger, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    Jewish religious law prevents archeologists from digging anywhere where there are supposed to be millions of Jewish bodies but actually aren’t any.

    Well, she did find 4.

    Not sure where the other 999,996 jews are buried, but I’m sure she’s fundraising to go back and look for them, or something similar that requires large amounts of money and will take her another 2 decades to complete. She has made a career of this, after all, one doesn’t simply retire at 40 when you have a good thing going.

  • “Where there is no antisemitism, there are no jews.” Theodor Herlz

  • What could it be about jews that over so many centuries, different peoples have wanted to kill or expel them?

    “Where there is no antisemitism, there are no jews.? Theodor Herzl

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @gotmituns


    What could it be about jews that over so many centuries, different peoples have wanted to kill or expel them?
     
    We may be seeing that right now. Perhaps, when they come into conflict with the larger community, they engage in the same pattern of increasingly ethnocentric and provocative behavior evident now. After all, most Jews in the United States seventy years ago were 'making nice;' they were trying to fit in. It was 'Americans all' and so on.

    Then they came into conflict with the rest of us, and as the conflict has worsened, so has their behavior, and as their behavior worsens, more and more notice, and become more and more hostile.

    Now it's fashionable among some of them to even deny that they are white. Okay -- but have they ever asked themselves where all this ends up?

    As far as past episodes go, there would seem to be similarities to the sequence of Jewish adherence to Bolshevism -- participation in its atrocities -- popular reaction among the victims when the Germans showed up in 1941. The pogroms associated with Bohdan Khmelnytski in the Seventeenth century owed much to the Jewish role in the oppression of the Ukrainians by the Poles. Whether there was the same spiral apparent in modern America I don't know.

  • @Franklin Ryckaert
    @saoirse

    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn't find any evidence of the so-called "resettlement" of the Jews in the East.

    If Treblinka was really a "transit camp" where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn't they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed, for which in the small camp of Treblinka no facilities existed. So...

    Replies: @Fourth Horseman, @saoirse, @Alastair Rockwell, @Wetzelrad

    So, likely a lot fewer than 1 million reached the camp. What if it was only 100,000, with maybe a few thousand dead bodies, and the rest dispersed over a vast captured Russian territory? That would solve multiple problems at once.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Fourth Horseman


    'So, likely a lot fewer than 1 million reached the camp. What if it was only 100,000, with maybe a few thousand dead bodies, and the rest dispersed over a vast captured Russian territory? That would solve multiple problems at once.'
     
    It solve problems, but it just creates another problem: where did they all go? They weren't there in 1945. Why, if they weren't killed, wouldn't they have simply returned to their original homes...some of them, at least?

    They didn't: they were simply gone. Bialystok had 42,000 Jews in 1936; now it has six.

    This is unheard-of demographic perfection. After all, even those European communities most heavily affected by emigration to America saw only a third of so of their members leave. Worse, the blessed six million don't turn up anywhere else; there are increases, but nothing like the decreases. Palestine, for example, only seems to have acquired a hundred thousand or so actual Holocaust survivors.

    So what happened to them?

    Replies: @John Wear

  • @E_Perez
    @Anon

    Note that these were Polish prosecutors at a time of maximal Polish hate against Germans. They rather would exaggerate than downplay German guilt.

    Replies: @Annacath

    “Note that these were Polish prosecutors at a time of maximal Polish hate against Germans.”
    I couldn’t agree more, thanks!

    I lived in Poland in the sixties and have paid some visits later on. Hate for the Germans actually makes an essential part of the Polish identity even now. If one, like myself, has a good command of the language, one easily runs into the “patriotic” info in the Polish alternative media that the Germans are the owners of Polish MSM and of everything else of importance.

  • I find it odd that no “extermination camps” or “gas chambers” were found by British or American troops in Western Europe. The alleged “extermination camps” are said to have existed wholly withing the Soviet zone, meaning we must believe uncorroborated Soviet allegations.

    Of course the USSR was perhaps the least trustworthy and one of the most murderous governments of the entire 20th century.

    It is also odd that the Soviets lied about the Katyn Massacre they perpetrated, and they escaped justice at Nuremberg for gang raping some 2 million German women.

    But of course the Soviets were our allies — which I consider an utterly monstrous and nearly incomprehensible fact about World War II.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
    @Dr. X

    The US should not have sent war supplies to Stalin's tyrannical state. It would have been better to let the Soviet Union and Germany tear each other to shreds (even more than they actually did). No matter how much the Soviet Union bled, the Great Patriotic War would have continued with the Bolsheviks in power. But they'd have been much weakened, perhaps unable to take control of eastern European countries after the war.

    Yes, that's speculation. Obviously we can't say for sure what would have happened. But the idea of American merchant ship crews on the "Murmansk run" dying to aid the Stalinist regime is sickening.

  • Thank you for an excellent article, Dr Skbrina!
    People equipped with ability to think for themselves do know
    the truth, but only few of them have the courage to voice their opinion..

    • Agree: John Wear
  • Scrutinize the evidence, incl. primary sources, on this site
    https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/
    and then post a mega essay online.

    • Replies: @John Wear
    @anon

    You write: "Scrutinize the evidence, incl. primary sources, on this site
    https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/ and then post a mega essay online."

    My response: All right.

    According to Holocaust historians, the bodies of Jews gassed at the Aktion Reinhardt camps were first buried in mass graves. The bodies were later exhumed and burned in the open air. (Source: Rudolf, Germar, Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross-Examined, 4th edition, Bargoed, UK: Castle Hill Publishers, January 2023, p. 269).

    This story lacks all credibility. First, it would have required a tremendous amount of work to bury hundreds of thousands of dead bodies in a few months at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. It would have then required an enormous amount of work to recover these buried bodies and place them on the open-air pyres to be cremated. Finally, it would have required an enormous amount of wood to burn the dead bodies on open-air pyres. The Germans were not so stupid to have used such a labor-intensive and costly process when far better alternatives were available.

    It would have been enormously difficult, if not impossible, to cremate 870,000 bodies at Treblinka through open air cremations. Germar Rudolf calculates that without wood between the corpse layers, each pyre of the fire grates would have been about nine meters high. With wood between the layers, each pyre would have been over 26 meters high. This would result in a total weight of over 700 metric tons per pyre for successful cremations. Even if the Germans had managed to build such a pile, it would be only a matter of time before the corpses fell over to one side, because fires never burn evenly. Realistically, a stable pile cannot be built that is higher than it is wide. (Ibid., pp. 271-273).

    Based on several cremation experiments, Carlo Mattogno determines that 160 kg of wood are needed to cremate a human body weighing 45 kg. He calculates that the burning of 870,000 bodies at Treblinka would have left 1,950 tons of human ashes, plus 11,100 tons of wood ashes. The total volume of ashes would have amounted to approximately 48,400 cubic meters. Also, 139,200 metric tons of wood would have been required for the incineration of the bodies. Since human teeth and bones cannot be completely destroyed through open air cremations, myriads of teeth and bone fragments would have been scattered at the site of the former camp. (Source: Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Transit Camp or Extermination Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 150-151).

    Even if Mattogno’s calculations are significantly inflated, the mass extermination of approximately 870,000 people at Treblinka would have left huge amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones. The fact that large quantities of these have not been found indicates that the mass extermination of inmates did not take place at Treblinka.

    Although enormous amounts of fuel would have been needed to cremate the hundreds of thousands of alleged corpses, there is also no credible documentary record or witness recollection of the great quantities of firewood that would have been required.

  • The lies of the Jews justified Allied war crimes.

    But what else to expect – since the Federal Reserve had already taken control of the US in 1913?

  • 4,000,000 cremated over 4 years is 2,760 per day and cremating taking at 3 hours —(4,000,000/4=1,000,000 per year/ 365 = 2,740 per day and at 3 hours requiring 8 sets of cremations–it would require 是 2,740/8= 342 ovens going full tilt.
    Now for regarding the heat source for these 342 ovens——-was it coal/ wood/ natural gas/ swamp gas ??

  • @Colin Wright

    '...And any engine, of any kind, cannot simply pump exhaust gas into an enclosed, “air tight” room; the back-pressure would increase until the engine stalled...'
     
    How then, is it possible to commit suicide simply by idling your car in a closed garage?

    This admittedly doesn't address the argument against diesel engines, but engines of other kinds will definitely work.

    Replies: @Marcali, @John Pepple

    Are you talking about a closed or an airtight garage?
    Whole world of difference.

  • @Mactoul
    You cannot compare CO emission of a diesel engine running normally with plenty of air with the diesel engine running with less air --which will produce more CO.
    The author Skrbina does not know this basic simple fact about engines and chemistry.

    Replies: @glimmande

    Think the main argument the use of diesel or gasoline engines is that the whole of Northern Europe was running on wood gas generators by this time. Imports of oil was scarce and hard to come by.

    Makes much more sense to use a generator whose sole purpose is to generate CO than to retrofit an old engine for something it’s not made to do. The concept of wood gas generators was generally known by most people back then and is just based on incomplete combustion of stuff to be burnt.

    • Agree: Madbadger
    • Thanks: Gerbils, Cloverleaf
  • anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m ashamed to admit it, but, given Israeli conduct in the very real Palestinian genocide — I no longer care what happened in WW2.

    To me it no longer matters as these WW2 events (or non-events) were used to elevate non-semitic fake jews to positions of authority in banking, government and industry. I refuse to be part of the power grab by this cult. I bear malice to any group that is involved in the destruction of others and the building of empire.

  • anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @Saggy
    I surprised that the author does not cite Eric Hunt's video which demolished Sturdy Colls' idiotic 'research' 10 years ago ...

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/mnjtsCQnTHlK/

    Replies: @anonymous, @Curmudgeon

    Eric Hunt did brilliant work.

  • @JWalters
    "We need never accept this fiction as truth, and we need never feel any guilt, or make any amends for it, ever again."

    The psychopathic personality of Israelis is rooted in fear. It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught "another Holocaust is right around the corner", that it's a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors. They are taught to despise Jesus and spit at churches.

    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.

    Although the Book of Jeremiah says the Jewish God dropped his protection because of their bad behavior, the Babylonian Talmud acknowledges no Jewish wrongdoing. Instead, non-Jews are declared to be sub-human predators, and Jews are given a divine right to deceive, rob, and murder them with impunity. The only caveat is to avoid being caught, since it might cause blowback on the Jews. Douglas Reed discusses this development in chapter 4 "The Forging of the Chains" in his deep dive research, available in the Unz Review book collection.
    The Controversy of Zion
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    This belief system, born in fear during subjugated captivity, hypothesized a contrary superiority. For safety, the superiority was secretive and acted subversively. This survival strategy was encoded and passed down over time.

    To maintain this mindset in the Jewish community, while avoiding intense cognitive dissonance from competing perceptions, some major lies must be told to the Jewish community.

    One such major lie is the fictitious story about the birth of today's Israel. A myth has been concocted about heroic Jews defending their land from terrorist Arabs. The facts are just the opposite.
    War Profiteers and the Roots of the 'War on Terror'
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    Another potent myth is that of the Holocaust. This enables the fearsome threat that another Holocaust is "right around the corner". An excellent introduction to the facts behind this fearful myth is the Ron Unz article.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel. The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Epictetus, @Colin Wright, @Snow Leopard, @S1

    “…. non-Jews are declared to be sub-human predators, and Jews are given a divine right to deceive, rob, and murder them with impunity. The only caveat is to avoid being caught, since it might cause blowback on the Jews.”

    An excellent comment, and you’ve also posted on TUR about the central role the Big Jews (Rothschilds, et al) have played in the money creation swindle, and their corruption of our political institutions with bribery and blackmail.
    https://grokipedia.com/page/Credit_theory_of_money

    For many centuries, the subversive and criminal behaviour of the Big Jews has made the existence of Jewish communities very precarious.
    https://grokipedia.com/page/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

    For me at least, the solution to this massive problem remains somewhat elusive. I have a personal preference for persuasion over organized violence, but the latter is looking like a prospective probability.

    All the best

    • Agree: JWalters
  • @saoirse
    An excellent article as usual from Dr. Skrbina. He should be highly commended for helping to expose the shams of both the Holocau$t and of Christ-insanity!

    Leave it to a Brit stooge (Sturdy Colls) to spearhead a Fleet Street like 'investigation' to uncover something that never existed, complete with a pseudo-academic and religious facade.

    For an in-depth look at the subject of Treblinka, check out the works of revisionists Carlo Mattogno and Jurgen Graf, available through Armreg/Holocaust Handbooks.

    There are also two well made documentaries:
    One Third Of The Holocaust by 'Denier Bud' - mentioned above by Unz.
    and
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax by Eric Hunt.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn’t find any evidence of the so-called “resettlement” of the Jews in the East.

    If Treblinka was really a “transit camp” where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn’t they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed, for which in the small camp of Treblinka no facilities existed. So…

    • Disagree: N. Joseph Potts
    • Replies: @Fourth Horseman
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    So, likely a lot fewer than 1 million reached the camp. What if it was only 100,000, with maybe a few thousand dead bodies, and the rest dispersed over a vast captured Russian territory? That would solve multiple problems at once.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @saoirse
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    So...... I knew I'd hook some overzealous wanker that just had to chime in with the 'Hunt recanted and is now telling the holy truth' bollocks. I was expecting Mean Jew Jew but you'll do.
    Adrift in your confirmation bias, you only acknowledge the 'off' of Hunt's on-off-on the revisionist bus saga. It was quite a ride and he was/is deeply affected by it. Perhaps you should venture out of the moldy Holocaust Controversies basement and avail youself to the speculation as to why he suddenly went kosher. He's back on now, at least in part. Regardless, the gist of his videos remain intact.
    While you're in the fresh air, try to actually read a few of the revisionist books and articles on the subject instead of interjecting with the hackneyed 5 Stooges 'gotcha' factoids.
    Maybe one day you'll write a comment where you're not bitch-slapped by a John Wear et. al. rebuttal.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

    , @Alastair Rockwell
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    No 1-

    " Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial because he couldn’t find any evidence of the so-called “resettlement” of the Jews in the East"

    No, the problem was that he firstly instead of doing ANY any real archival/demographic research into that matter himself arrogantly and delusionally demanded all other researchers like Germar, Kues, Mattogno etc present all on a silver platter ready to him and most importantly since the very beginning unfortunately was of an extremely emotional and volatile temper instead of the necessary calm academic one, leading him regularly to extremely foolish actions like misappropriating funds, breaking contracts on a whim and even physically attacking (!) Ellie Wiesel, getting him arrested and becoming a convicted criminal in the US (forcing him to emigrate to Eastern Europe where he now lives as an English teacher).

    The entire sad Eric Hunt-history and his first close collaboration and then break with Germar Rudolf/CODOH being explained in this interview in detail by Rudolf:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHRBvcrG_XE

    No 2-

    "Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours, for that time those many thousands of Jews had to be housed and fed,"

    - Once more the classic idiocy of meshing together indirect inference armchair speculation on top of already provable totally false assumptions due to total illiteracy:

    A- So you never bothered to actual inform yourself that NOONE even from the mainstream narrative claims Zyklon B was used in Treblinka...(the killing allegedly was done with -diesel- CO).

    Instead, THE standard disinfection method (interestingly seemingly attested to by many Treblinka "survivors" reporting on "steam chambers" -but of course often then absurdly claimed being used to kill Jews) both in WW1 and 2 for train passengers was :

    STEAM:

    "Thus, the German authorities launched an educational campaign to promote hygienic behaviors in occupied Poland [17]. The Germans improved sanitation systems, water supplies, and municipal baths and constructed showers. Hundreds of steam disinfection units and formalin chambers were imported from Germany for the delousing of clothing. Between July 1916 and November 1918, 3.5 million Polish civilians were deloused"

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11675154/

    And the entire process (while the passengers themselves were sent to disinfection-shower-rooms) took no longer than 30 minutes:

    "Steaming and disinfesting clothing during World War I typically took about 15 to 30 minutes inside specialized chambers. Standard equipment like the Thresh Disinfector or military steam sterilizers required a cycle of 15 to 20 minutes under pressure to kill lice and insect eggs, followed by roughly 5 minutes for vacuum drying</i

    https://nukebook.org/instruments/camp/pure-extermination-camp/treblinka/889/


    No 3-

    "If Treblinka was really a “transit camp” where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated? Wouldn’t they need them in the harsh climate of Russia?"

    - So, again you of course have never bothered to find out firstly any objective source showing
    HOW MANY SHOES AND CLOTHING WAS ACTUALLY EVER FOUND and WHERE THIS EXACTLY CAME FROM AND WHAT THE CONFISCATED ITEMS WERE?

    As anyone able to look at a map can see, interestingly all the Reinhardt camps were exactly (sometimes within a few hundred yards) build at the exact demarcation line along the Bug river, where the central European train-gauge tracks ended and the Russian broad gauge ones started, meaning all trains and passengers and luggage had to stop there and travel further using different
    methods of transportation.

    Plus the purpose of the Reinhardt camps was indeed to confiscate Jewish SURPLUS wealth usually amassed during the prior decades by their usual schemes, including clothing desperately needed in war-ravished Europe. They were encouraged and often demanded to pack several luggage-bags of those items, OF which a certain percentage were indeed confiscated on their arrival in those camps and then shipped west into Europe where the need was greatest.

    While of course this by no means for any objective/fair mind implies that they were left with nothing themselves or even naked when further transported (first by road transport or even walking across the -former- Russian border and then Russian-gauge trains apparently), proven by the original German documents available (see Holocausthandbooks) where the German central authorities require "medical supervision against typhus" of Jews arriving on their Eastern territory-destination of the German local ones.

    -But then again, unsure why I write all this in answer to your comment, you having proven time and time again that you are not interested in facts and academic work at all, but only emotional opinionating...?

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

    , @Wetzelrad
    @Franklin Ryckaert


    Eric Hunt has abandoned Holocaust denial
     
    He hasn't. See his recent videos on platforms like Rumble and Odysee, or see his website: https://reeholocaust.st/

    If Treblinka was really a “transit camp” where the Jews and their clothes were desinfected, then why were those very clothes and shoes confiscated?
     
    A nonsense question that presents no contradiction. I suppose what you mean to ask is: how could shoes be found in a warehouse in Lublin if shoes were returned to their owners? The answer is that people often own multiple pairs of shoes, plus camp authorities issued shoes to inmates from their own stocks in some cases.

    Desinfection of clothes with ZyklonB takes at least 24 hours
     
    It does not. Fumigating a house with no ventilation system using Zyklon-B took 24-48 hours. Fumigating clothing in a properly constructed Zyklon-B delousing chamber like those at Dachau and other camps took around an hour. Fumigating clothes in a steam autoclave like the ones at Mauthausen and other camps (supposedly including Treblinka) or like the ones on the American border took less than an hour.
  • @JWalters
    "We need never accept this fiction as truth, and we need never feel any guilt, or make any amends for it, ever again."

    The psychopathic personality of Israelis is rooted in fear. It is a fear with a long history, that has been passed down through generations. Each generation is intensely steeped in fear of non-Jews. They are taught "another Holocaust is right around the corner", that it's a matter of when, not if. They are taught to fear and hate their perceived persecutors. They are taught to despise Jesus and spit at churches.

    The hate is a response to the fear. The fear is a fear of material loss. This fear and hate was codified during the Babylonian captivity, when the oral Talmud was composed.

    Although the Book of Jeremiah says the Jewish God dropped his protection because of their bad behavior, the Babylonian Talmud acknowledges no Jewish wrongdoing. Instead, non-Jews are declared to be sub-human predators, and Jews are given a divine right to deceive, rob, and murder them with impunity. The only caveat is to avoid being caught, since it might cause blowback on the Jews. Douglas Reed discusses this development in chapter 4 "The Forging of the Chains" in his deep dive research, available in the Unz Review book collection.
    The Controversy of Zion
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    This belief system, born in fear during subjugated captivity, hypothesized a contrary superiority. For safety, the superiority was secretive and acted subversively. This survival strategy was encoded and passed down over time.

    To maintain this mindset in the Jewish community, while avoiding intense cognitive dissonance from competing perceptions, some major lies must be told to the Jewish community.

    One such major lie is the fictitious story about the birth of today's Israel. A myth has been concocted about heroic Jews defending their land from terrorist Arabs. The facts are just the opposite.
    War Profiteers and the Roots of the 'War on Terror'
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    Another potent myth is that of the Holocaust. This enables the fearsome threat that another Holocaust is "right around the corner". An excellent introduction to the facts behind this fearful myth is the Ron Unz article.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel. The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.

    Replies: @saoirse, @Epictetus, @Colin Wright, @Snow Leopard, @S1

    Polls show that American Jews in large numbers are waking up to the facts about Israel.

    What polls?? A few kikes feeling the heat and squirming doesn’t constitute an epiphany.

    The next development will be awakening to the cult control techniques that have imprisoned the Jewish community for these many centuries.

    You can’t be serious! Jews are suddenly going to snap out of three millennia of inbred psychotic parasitic malfeasance because you think some veil has been lifted?
    Kevin McDonald and many others prove you’re dead wrong.

    • Agree: Cloverleaf
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @saoirse


    'You can’t be serious! Jews are suddenly going to snap out of three millennia of inbred psychotic parasitic malfeasance because you think some veil has been lifted?
    Kevin McDonald and many others prove you’re dead wrong.'
     
    It's an interesting question. The very hysteria about Israel and the Holocaust shows how thin Jewish identity is becoming; it's all they have left. Is it entirely coincidental that the only large body of explicit indifference to Israel is found among the ultra-Orthodox, that it is precisely those Jews who are still most Jewish who fret about these totems the least?

    Most 'Jews' in Israel don't even bother to go to synagogue. It's as if Evangelicals never bothered with Church.

    Culturally and demographically, this is a dying religion. They're certainly creating a lot of misery on their way out, but they do seem to be on their way out. If there's no Judaism at all, we'll no longer have the Jared Kushners, the Larry Ellisons, the Paul Singers.
    , @Anonymous
    @saoirse

    "Kevin McDonald and many others prove you’re dead wrong"

    Agreed.

    It will be part genetics and part cultural--but the wall of lies will probably last at least another two thousand years.

    Folks need to stop the habit of adding happy endings to every story--and get real.

    , @JWalters
    @saoirse

    For a very long time people believed smallpox was caused by a malevolent spirit. Once the smallpox vaccine proved effective, the malevolent spirit belief died off quite quickly.

    An individual can change their mind on something overnight when given compelling new evidence. Similarly, a large group of individuals can all change their minds quite quickly.