Talk:Assyrians

Requested move 18 February 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus shows that adding 'people' is unnecessary per relevant naming conventions (WP:NCET + WP:CONCISE. (closed by non-admin page mover) veko. (user | talk | contribs) [he/him] 14:14, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

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Assyrian people → Assyrians – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Mynameiscandle (talk) 08:49, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Other ethnic groups are just called by their name, why not the same for Assyrians? Mynameiscandle (talk) 08:49, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCET, WP:NCPLURAL and WP:CONCISE. Yours, &c. RGloucester — ☎ 11:00, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

• Support every other ethnic group doesn't have "people" in the title, Assyrians shouldn't be excluded.

Jsanihsjsn (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

support per RG Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 03:42, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Assyrian total population changing

the total population in the page keeps getting changed, one changed it to 3-4 million another changed it to 3-5 million and then another one changed it into 3.5 million we need to decide which number is the correct number of Assyrians worldwide to avoid the population changing up and down.

Another thing to point out: the Assyrian population isn't 3.5 million or under, the 3 million estimate is quite old and has continuously been reused despite newer estimates being introduced. multiple sources indicate that the assyrian population is well over 3.5 million today, specifically UNPO with their source back in 2003 suggest that the assyrians were around 4.5 million, which means the assyrian population should be 4.5 to 5 million people according to the sources. Jsanihsjsn (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

The source that is currently there is fine, if anything the 3.5 million is an overestimation because the regions below don’t have populations that add up to even half of that number. ~2026-11601-39 (talk) 01:07, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

The estimates in the regions below only have regions with major populations and the estimates are different dates, they don't usually sum up the entire population, every other ethnic group doesn't sum up the total population in the regions with significant populations, examples are Circassians, Armenians, Turkmens and many others.

I don't really think that single source is fine, sources i showed such as Cultural Survival and UNPO estimate the population at around 4.5 million to over five million, and other sources i showed suggest the Assyrian population to be over five million. Jsanihsjsn (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

At the same time, other ethnic group pages have one source. Before when there were 7 it was too messy and we can’t get a better source than assyrian policy institute. There are more urgent fixes on this article in my opinion. 3.5 million also sounds reasonable ~2026-11736-94 (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

The ethnic groups i listed have more then one source, and yes, those sources were messy, but now we have better sources for the total population, we can just use the two sources from UNPO and Cultural Survival for the population for it to be 4.5-5 million.

3.5 million does not sound reasonable at all, UNPO's source back in 2003 says the Assyrian population is way more then 3.5 million and Cultural Survival's source back in 2010 estimates the assyrians at over 5 million, why are the assyrians 3.5 million today? it doesn't make any sense. Jsanihsjsn (talk) 14:43, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

UNPO’s article is outdated and claims that assyrians are only one-third in the diaspora. Again, there are more important fixes on this article. For example the paragraphs in the persecution section should be merged into history, and there is no etymology of assyrians. There is also kurdification on other related pages. Additionally, cultural survival’s source sounds biased, it comes from an assyrian who goes on about how kurds get more attention and I think some edits recently have been to demonstrate that there is more to assyrians than just persecution and being minorities. Lets go forwards instead of backwards. ~2026-11736-94 (talk) 22:44, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

I agree that there are more issues to tackle, the population should be one of them.

if UNPO's article is "outdated" then i have plenty of more sources that i listed that are modern that supports the 5 million figure, and there's another source from Cultural Survival back in 2003 which puts the assyrians at around 4 million which raises questions about the 3.5 million estimate in the page, if the assyrians were around four million or 4.5 million back in 2003, then it wouldn't be possible for assyrians to be 3.5 million today. Jsanihsjsn (talk) 10:50, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

You are speculating. And is there any reason you think the Assyrian Policy Institute source (which seems to be the only one primarily focused on Assyrians) is unreliable? Bw02145 (talk) 00:09, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

I'm not arguing that the Assyrian Policy Institute is unreliable, am just questioning the estimate given, Britannica gives a range between 3 to 5 million the sources i presented estimate from 4 to 4.5 million (2003) to over 5 million (modern) and Assyrian Policy Institute estimate around 3.5 million.

since there is no definitive census about the assyrians overall, giving a range from 3 to 5 million may be more neutral then giving a single exact figure. Jsanihsjsn (talk) 12:20, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

I'm not against what you're saying I just personally think it appears inauthentic with all these population ranges, even with the regions section it currently varies a lot and I think it can delegitimize Assyrian identity when we appear to not know much about our people or have consensus on something as simple as our presence. I think it's better to stick to one source, whichever is the most reliable. Bw02145 (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

If that's the case then let's stick to the source from Britannica, since they are more reliable then API and give a estimated range that's supported from both sources, it's more neutral that way, what do you say? Jsanihsjsn (talk) 14:09, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

The source for the world map was based on the regions below that were not changed, why did you remove it? Bw02145 (talk) 09:48, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

It was a simple mistake of mine, i removed everything in the population tab and i didn't see that the map was below the source, i have readded the map, thanks for pointing that out. Jsanihsjsn (talk) 10:22, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Revision

Govvy, you reverted my edits to this article, but there is absolutely no way you have found an issue with each of the dozens of edits that were made. If you have a specific issue then make your case, but anyone comparing the two versions should agree mine was better. Bw02145 (talk) 03:09, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Really now? I don't mean to be rude, but the article lead felt deconstructed and the style of the English became that much poorer for it. Govvy (talk) 11:06, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

So your issue is only with the lead yet you reverted like 20 edits that go beyond just the lead. And right now the lead is redundant and messy. Bw02145 (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

I have kept the lead but brought back the other edits. I'm not assuming you are not educated on the topic but it is reckless to mass revert all the edits. Bw02145 (talk) 19:14, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

I strongly suggest to you, to not be disruptive and breach certain policies. Govvy (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2026 (UTC)