I read Julad's fic Night-blooming Heartsease (HP, Snape/Neville, a companion to Resonant's fic Transfigurations) the other day for the first time, and it got me thinking about how important Harry/Snape fic was to me way back when, and how different fanon versions of characters and pairings look after some distance from them. Because the thing is, it's a lovely story and I cried, but objectively speaking, Snape is horrible and abusive to Neville through the whole story, never recognizes it, never apologizes for it, and Neville just... gets used to it and eventually rises above it and starts to see Snape as a human who's suffered, and they grow to respect each other. But Snape doesn't actually change, they just start to see each other differently. There's a truly harrowing bit midway through the story where Snape propositions Neville because he's miserable and he thinks Neville and he could comfort each other, and Neville is too terrified of him to say no. They make out for a bit, Snape notices Neville is unenthusiastic, asks him if he actually wants this, Neville says no, and Snape is absolutely furious with him for thinking he's a rapist and throws him out. So like, yay for wanting enthusiastic consent, but Snape doesn't ever acknowledge that there's a problematic power differential between them that emerges from him having been an abusive teacher with power over Neville that Neville still feels, even if they're no longer within the institution that gave Snape that power. The other thing I found troubling is that Neville's POV makes him seem really, really young, and that moment in the fic I found excruciating because Snape is propositioning someone who is still in the mindset of finding him a desexualized, terrifying schoolteacher, and Snape doesn't realize that Neville is in that mindset even though he's still treating Neville that way.
All this isn't to criticize the story - it's more just noticing things that were totally ubiquitous about the way Snape was portrayed in Snape/Harry stories and other Snape/the younger generation stories of that time. I remember sometimes noticing at the time and not liking the fan version of Snape that was rather like a fan version of Rodney McKay that came later where he's just horrible to everyone all the time and it's treated fondly by everyone in the story (ESPECIALLY in the SGA fics where Rodney's a professor and John's his TA, oh my god), while there was some stories that dug into his behaviour a bit more; I suspect now even they would not be enough for me, and/or I'd be much more squicked by the power dynamics than I was. But I feel very ambivalent about it.
I've encountered in fandom in more recent years a fairly blanket condemnation of Snape as being totally awful and abusive, which again, is partly because the conversation has moved forward and perception of the books has shifted, and partly because I think for sure there was a lot of romanticization of Snape - around Alan Rickman being wildly sexy, definitely. And I can't disagree with that. But I've never been more devastated by the death of a fictional character, which was partly because of the backstory JKR eventually gave him; I felt so powerfully for early Snape - so trapped, so bitter, so resentful, unable to move on from his adolescent humiliation because he has literally been trapped at the scene, trying to do the right thing in his own distorted way, so brave. Dumbledore's systematic refusal to see abuse on the individual level in the name of 'safety' kept Snape teaching in Hogwarts the same way it kept Harry with the Dursleys; Snape was like a miserable old cat who consistently scratches and bites people, whose owner keeps insisting that he's lovely, really, it's fine for the children to play with him. And then JKR gave him this ridiculous overromanticized attachment to Lily which made his fixation on Harry even more weirdly sexualized than it already was, and also coopted him into one of her creepy compulsory heterosexuality everyone-falls-in-love-once-when-they're-fourteen-forever narratives. I just wanted him to escape and have the chance to grow into a better person. In the HP books, nobody ever gets to escape their upbringing.
And I don't know now whether my increased discomfort with Snape pairings is because I'm older and a teacher now, or because generally my awareness of issues of consent and power has changed because the conversation has moved forwards, or I'm just not as caught up in my love for those characters anymore. Because the thing is, I still think that Harry/Snape was a great pairing for me because when I was reading it was between about Prisoner of Azkaban and Order of the Phoenix era, and a lot of resistive criticisms to JKR which seem obvious now weren't then, but Snape-centric fic was thinking about them.
Harry/Snape in particular, as I remember it, was this place where people were thinking critically about Dumbledore and his complicity in Harry's abusive childhood, about the invisibility of queerness in the books, about intergenerational trauma, and about being an outsider. Snape is trapped by Dumbledore and his own choices in an eternal adolescence, while Harry is thrown by Dumbledore into a premature adulthood, so that they are both awkwardly at odds with their own age group and with the wizarding world. It was such an angry pairing. I really, really identified with those versions of Harry and Snape, which in retrospect I suppose was partly because I also felt thrown into premature adulthood by my personal circumstances, where I was in the middle of a fairly classic eldest-child-in-a-divorce situation with an abruptly overinflated sense of responsibility for caring for my brothers. I don't identify with either side of that pairing anymore with anywhere near the same intensity now, but I feel like I'm still interested in the problems with the books that that pairing highlighted.
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Date: 2019-01-08 06:34 pm (UTC)(I love Rodney, as you obviously know, but the part of him where he is legit a dick to people was never my favourite! I would hate to work with him. Even when you can see him desperately browbeating everyone out of insecurity because he doesn't know how to relate to people other than by trying to impress them all with how smart he is)
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Date: 2019-01-08 07:22 pm (UTC)(There's another important criticism of Snape Hate to be made here about how JKR!Snape is 100% an antisemitic caricature, but I'd have to ask the friend who pointed it out to be the one to explain it.)
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Date: 2019-01-08 11:37 pm (UTC)I've read that, about Snape being an antisemitic caricature - yes! So many unthinking problems in JKR's universe.
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Date: 2019-01-08 09:07 pm (UTC)(I could never forgive Sirius Black for the bullying of Snape - I think there was something about how it’s described that was triggering for me, but I’ve never been able to put my finger on what - and so I could never get behind any pairings involving Sirius. I still think Sirius gets a free pass by the narrative on behaviour that in, say, Draco was treated as irredeemable sins.)
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Date: 2019-01-08 10:54 pm (UTC)None of which gets me anywhere with Snape except that he felt weirdly like a child stuck in a grown up (and often was written that way in fanfic as well, I think). He was so disempowered on so many levels that his abuse often felt more like defense from HIS point of view (I love your cat comparison). None of which helps Neville, but then the other problem with HP to me has always been that fairy tale exaggeration always existed side by side with realism and it's always been difficult to separate out when which one applies...
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Date: 2019-01-08 11:43 pm (UTC)Also yes, I love the idea that attraction is generated by the rolling ball gathering the moss of fannish affect...
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Date: 2019-01-08 11:45 pm (UTC)I'm re-experiencing HP now as my kid watches / reads -- he's 2/3 of the way through book 7 and has seen all 8 movies -- and I'm amazed by how different it all seems to me now that the canon is closed, or now that we've all grown up more, or now that our sense of things has matured. I'm disappointed in Rowling in a variety of ways, and yet, it's also a joy to see my kid falling in love with this 'verse.
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Date: 2019-01-09 02:19 am (UTC)I got into Snape/Harry despite the age difference, since I was in my 30s, and angsty teenagers were really not something I wanted to read about. It was the characterization of Snape in the fic that drew me in and kept me there. I’ve always been interested in power dynamics in relationships, and what made Snape/Harry interesting to me was the different ways in which Harry was shown to have power over Snape. Even when Harry didn’t really realize this, Snape certainly did.
One of the most interesting things in Snape fandom at that time was all the speculation about where the story - the story overall and Snape’s storyline in particular - was going. And also, speculation on things that had happened in his past. JKR drew on a bunch of traditions in her writing, including the English boarding school story as well as fantasy, but when the book series was a WIP the aspect of it that really fascinated me was that it was basically a mystery story. Now that it’s complete, most of those mystery elements don’t count for much in the way they did. And the reveals in the final book often weren’t as interesting as the conclusions that fandom had drawn in fic years earlier. I remember being incredibly disappointed that Snape’s primary motivation turned out to be based on an entitled ‘friendzone’ view of his relationship with Lily.
But he remained a complicated character. I remember a few months ago a post going around tumblr asking which view of Snape was correct: an abusive bastard who victimized the children in his charge or a misunderstood hero working behind the scenes to save the day. I replied that he was both. He was an utter bastard who was abusive when he held a position of power, but he was also very brave and did end up giving his life and dying for something beyond just himself.
Someone on tumblr I know and like, replied to me saying she was sorry, but Snape was just awful and that’s all there was to it. It sort of surprised me that there was no room for anything but a one dimensional reading of this character, but it looks like that’s where HP fandom is at the moment.
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Date: 2019-01-09 02:34 pm (UTC)(I remember you from Snarry fandom! I was wondering the other day - do you remember Tboy? I think of her sometimes. Do you know what happened with her? Did she leave fandom forever?).
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Date: 2019-01-10 02:52 am (UTC)Tboy and I used to know each other irl very well before I moved down here, so I have the rl her on my facebook. I see her posts there from time to time. Her most recent fannish blog is
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Date: 2019-01-10 03:39 pm (UTC)Thanks for the update on Tboy! I'm glad she seems to be doing okay.
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Date: 2019-01-09 03:17 am (UTC)The one Snape pairing I can't forgive is Snape/Albus. (Or Albus/Harry for the same reason.)
I can't analyse why this anti-Semitic caricature is perhaps the fictional person that's closest to my heart -- self-identification, no doubt (it isn't anything to do with the casting because I don't think of Rickman's version at all) -- but I agree child trapped in adult body (I'd go with toddler, myself).
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Date: 2019-01-09 05:06 am (UTC)also this makes me want to pick up my reread again & maybe finally post my dumb drarry rec post and/or meta of my own 😅
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Date: 2019-01-09 04:02 pm (UTC)...then I realized maybe u meant my drarry meta instead LOL. if so, oops. anyway, the meta I have been thinking about is more various ways harry's characterization setup doesn't fully work 4 me heh. tho I guess some of that does lead a little 2 why I like draco 😅
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Date: 2019-01-09 07:43 am (UTC)This is SO INTERESTING. Maybe if they do get to "escape" they're acting out against it? See Harry going for The Girl With The Family. And Hermione going for The Jock.
Re: the characterisation of Snape, it's... complicated. See, my first fandom/pairing after X-Files was Snape/Hermione and it's only as I got older and went "...UM?!" that I saw the consent issues involve (and now I'm back reading it with the KNOWLEDGE that it's baddirtywrong and I would be disgusted in RL. Oh well.)
Night-Blooming Heartsease is one of my favourite fics and it's partially because of the awfulness of the situation you mentioned. It's funny--like another commenter said, I can forgive Snape his treatment of Harry, but not of Neville. But I'll still read pairings, etc.
I do miss nuance in the analysis of characters. We know he was awful and abusive, but we also know he was a spy and was brave. We don't know how many lives he saved--when do people go "Well, he had awful characteristics and good characteristics." When does one outweigh the other?
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Date: 2019-01-09 10:26 am (UTC)I think my perception has mostly shifted by age/situation: when I was younger I empathised with the children more than the adults, and student/teacher fic was clearly in the "I can see why this is a bad thing in the real world but I don't have a problem about it in fantasy" category. Now I know children in a 10-20 age bracket as children, I'm a lot more squicked to read something like that myself, because I can't gloss over how disastrous the teacher has to be to get into a situation like that. I think my perception of what's ok in other situations has shifted too, but I think that was the main thing that changed.
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Date: 2019-01-29 05:09 pm (UTC)Thanks to recent DW revival, I read immediately, and I had, still have, so many thoughts, that I cannot properly articulate. All those above me did it so much better than I ever could have. :)
My first ship was actually Severitus, bc of the terrible abuse that Harry had to endure (as much as I like Michael Gambon's portrayal of Albus Dumbledore, there will always be strong resentment towards him, how could they allow this, how could they not hex the Dursleys for what they were doing to Harry) and Snape - well, he was vile, but he was also capable, strong character, and one could sense there is ability to love, passionately, generously, buried somewhere deep inside of Snape.
Then, because that's just how I am, Snarry came into play very soon. HBP book, yeah. But no teacher - student fic. That is just a big NO, the same reasons as yours. I also love MyWitch's art, who creates Snape as a very, very sexual being. Though I fully support portraying Snape as any kind of sexual, from a- on, *G*, I love him with Mme Rosmerta, Hermione, Mcgonagall... it's a pure delight, her art.
Anyways. Lovely, interesting post. <3