What's up with the AO3 and racism?
Jun. 17th, 2020 01:51 pmThis text (lightly modified) is something I put together to answer a comment I got on basically, what's the AO3 doing that's racist and needs reforming?
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I'm white, and I'm so not a scholar or a person who has thought or written deeply on these subjects. Those people are out there - I've linked to many of them - so please listen to them and what they have to say. I'm not going to link a lot of sources here because these words are pretty much all my own, and I'm going to be fucking up and getting things wrong because of my position of privilege and ignorance which I don't want reflecting badly on them. But I'll do my best to answer, drawing on the things I have learned, and I'll include my own experience as a matter of perspective.
So, for me as a person who has literally never had to deal with racism or any other kind of abuse in fandom it was a lot to absorb and wrap my brain around. My first reaction was "but I love the AO3 and hate racism so they can't be racist!". I'd internalized that I am racist (because our society at large is, so it's a thing those of us raised with privilege have to spend our lives unlearning). But the AO3? The AO3 saved fandom after Strikethrough! The AO3 is the Archive of Our Own. It's my happy place that has made more creativity and fun possible than I could even have imagined back in the days of Geocities and even Livejournal.
When the AO3 won a Hugo last year I was there in the room and seeing all the people rise when the award was accepted because we are all part of this I was ecstatic.
And in a nutshell, the racism problem on AO3 is this: That feeling? That joy, and the sense of AO3 being an amazing refuge from a terrible world where the worst thing that ever happens is that I roll my eyes at a ship or tag? That is something that Black fans and fans of color don't have. And that's what has to change.
Starting at the beginning, the AO3 was founded by a group that was mostly women. They worked on feminist principles and instituted things such as the amazing tagging system and the opt-in Warnings: Major Character Death, Graphics Depictions of Violence, Underage and Non-Con. It's easy to see how those four were picked: they are subjects that can easily hurt (and when I use that word I mean do actual harm to) readers. To protect our fellow fans, we authors on AO3 have the option to make sure people don't even have to see things like the title, tags and summary of a fic that contain those kind of fics. Which is great!
Now here's the thing: the subjects of racism and slavery are incredibly painful to a lot of people. I think we can all agree on that. But the founders of the AO3 didn't think to make it one of the major warnings on the site. Why? I don't know. I wasn't there. But it strikes me that this as a decision by a group mainly made up of people who have never personally experienced racism, and who weren't actively working towards anti-racism at the time.
But the AO3 also says it's "in beta", which means that they're still developing and trying to make a better site, right? Trying to make an Archive of Our Own. And for many, many years now fans of color have been speaking up on the topic of warnings and racism, suggesting it be added. The response from the AO3? Silence. Here's how I know: I only found out about this discussion last year through the tireless work of the same people I've been linking to in the current discussion. I've never seen the AO3 address the fact that they are making a safe space for fans who are triggered by sexual violence and underage content, violence and death (universal experiences, unfortunately) but not racism. Which is a universal non-white experience in fannish spaces. (To put a quick end to a slippery slope argument I've seen: yes, this goes for transphobia and the like too! You should listen to marginalized groups when they say "this hurts us, can you make it easier for us to avoid?". And if you can't do anything straight away, you should make sure the conversation about this is public, so those people who are hurting know that you are listening to them.)
So that's one facet of the racism issue. Another is how bad the AO3 is at handling abuse, and how people facing racist and other hate and harassment have been raising this issue for years. What I was completely unaware of until like, this week, is that the AO3 is one of the places people in fandom are most vulnerable to abuse. On Twitter you can lock your account and block users from interacting, on Tumblr you can block people, on Dreamwidth you can lock your posts and block people - but on AO3? When it first started you couldn't even moderate comments. This is a thing now, and you can lock your stories to registered users only. But for authors who have protected their other social media accounts, AO3 is where their harassers can get to them. Of course harassment can happen to anyone, but it disproportionately affects people of color and other vulnerable minorities. Making sure they can feel safe should be a priority, and again: silence.
One of the good things that changed recently after input from concerned users is that the AO3 made it possible to reject gifts and opt-out of being listed as co-authors. Before that what was happening was that awful people were writing horrifying "fic" - like stuff straight up written to traumatize the target of their harassment - and then gifting it to them, or even making them co-authors on it against their will. From what I heard, it was difficult (if not impossible) to get the AO3 to shut that sort of thing down.
Now that avenue of abuse is gone, which is great. But many others remain, including bookmarks (authors can see all comments on bookmarks) - and of course the fact that you can't block people on AO3. Would blocking solve everything? Of course not. Is it technically feasible? I've heard various takes. Could they at least acknowledge that it's a known problem and publicize what steps they are taking to solve it? Yes, they could - but they haven't.
The other facet of abuse is that while a lot of people use the AO3 in good faith and try to be mindful of fellow fans that is unfortunately not true for 100% of the user base. There's always gotta be someone out to just be a dick - and on AO3 there are people who are being racist dicks. I have seen thread after thread of people talking about contacting the AO3's Abuse Team to report what they have experienced as targeted racist harassment in particular tags. These people have gotten very patronizing "this is not a real problem" kind of responses. And it's true that the AO3 shouldn't censor content, but if someone was posting G-rated fic marked "No Archive Warnings Apply" and then filling them with the kind of content that the AO3 does give you the option to warn for that person could actually be banned. (ETA: If this was systematic and in bad faith rather than an honest mistake. As pointed out in a comment, the Abuse team don't ban people for failing to use warnings properly.) But if someone does the same with racism rather than sexual violence? There's literally nothing stopping them from this.
Why? Because there's nothing in the Terms of Service about racism or racist abuse, and for something to be considered abuse it has to be in the Terms of Service. So that's leaving a lot of people in position vulnerable to abuse where the AO3 doesn't have their back. I find this line particularly striking:
Not everyone agrees about what is offensive and unacceptable. Individual users are encouraged to try to resolve problems on their own before contacting the Policy & Abuse team.
Of course it isn't a simple thing to change your Terms of Service, and the Abuse Team are all volunteers and they're working super hard and doing a fabulous job. But if it's to be an Archive for everyone, wouldn't it make sense for the AO3 itself to call out certain behaviors - including racism - as completely unacceptable? Rather than putting the burden of "resolving problems" on people of color who are experiencing the abuse?
And again - the thing is that this might seem like a lot where the AO3 can't change overnight...but this discussion didn't start this week, or even this year. It's been going on for as long as the AO3 has existed, pretty much (since I'm focusing on the AO3 here and not the larger question of racism in fandom). Which brings us back to the AO3's silence on all these matters, and the fact that instead of showing that they are listening to people who are hurt and vulnerable they are responding with a resounding silence.
One of the things that have brought all of this out in the open right now is everything happening in the world around us. With #BlackLivesMatters, pretty much every business with a Twitter account has put out some kind of statement. Most of them were boilerplate blandness, but at least the matter of racism was being acknowledged. The AO3, though? The first (and so far only) time they have mentioned anything about the situation wasn't even on the AO3, but in the OTW's newsletter "This Week in Fandom".
On June 10th they finally broached the issue of racism - but in a way that really amplified that silence about their own organization. The entire newsletter is written in a way that was very much "Look at all the racism fans are fighting elsewhere". This is a huge missed opportunity to address all the points made above, and acknowledge that people have been talking about these things for a long, long time. The OTW cited two noted scholars on the topic of racism in fandom who were so disappointed in the framing and in the lack of engagement in these questions that they asked for those citations to be retracted. I'm trying not to riddle this with links, but the text of their request and the OTW's response can be found here, and is very enlightening.
So this leads us again to the fact that there was a news roundup that acknowledged fandom's involvement in anti-racism, but the AO3 - who have a news section, and banners for fundraising, and other channels of communication - have made no public statement about any anti-racism as of today, June 17th 2020. Not one thing. (ETA: A Statement from the OTW Board of Directors, Chairs, & Leads was released on June 24th.)
Several people have written good stuff on statement vs actions and of course actions are more important, and of course statements can also be flawed. But as Jenny Hamilton on Twitter puts it:
here is why I think statements are valuable:
1) they establish a shared reality
2) they establish shared values
So at this point in 2020 when there is a global mass movement for #BlackLivesMatter, the AO3 hasn't even established that they see and acknowledge the reality of people who experience racism, and they haven't established that they think anti-racism work is important.
Which, again, if this is the first you're seeing of it probably seems like something that can be easily excused and isn't that bad. But as a part of this ongoing pattern, the fact that the AO3 is not actively and vocally anti-racist? Means that it is racist, in these structural ways that people have been pointing out for years. The AO3 prides itself on being feminist, but feminism without anti-racism is literally just feminism for white people and...that's really not where I want an organisation I love to be at.
To read more, I recommend checking out my previous roundups:
June 14th - links and resources
June 15th - links and resources
June 16th - the OTW's response to people contacting the Board re: racism
June 16th - links
I will also put the list of recommended reading on fandom and race that
acafanmom put together:
coynsundry started:
Anti-racist changes to the AO3 Platform
ETA: All roundups etc on this topic can be found in my tag fandom & racism.
Well.
I'm white, and I'm so not a scholar or a person who has thought or written deeply on these subjects. Those people are out there - I've linked to many of them - so please listen to them and what they have to say. I'm not going to link a lot of sources here because these words are pretty much all my own, and I'm going to be fucking up and getting things wrong because of my position of privilege and ignorance which I don't want reflecting badly on them. But I'll do my best to answer, drawing on the things I have learned, and I'll include my own experience as a matter of perspective.
So, for me as a person who has literally never had to deal with racism or any other kind of abuse in fandom it was a lot to absorb and wrap my brain around. My first reaction was "but I love the AO3 and hate racism so they can't be racist!". I'd internalized that I am racist (because our society at large is, so it's a thing those of us raised with privilege have to spend our lives unlearning). But the AO3? The AO3 saved fandom after Strikethrough! The AO3 is the Archive of Our Own. It's my happy place that has made more creativity and fun possible than I could even have imagined back in the days of Geocities and even Livejournal.
When the AO3 won a Hugo last year I was there in the room and seeing all the people rise when the award was accepted because we are all part of this I was ecstatic.
And in a nutshell, the racism problem on AO3 is this: That feeling? That joy, and the sense of AO3 being an amazing refuge from a terrible world where the worst thing that ever happens is that I roll my eyes at a ship or tag? That is something that Black fans and fans of color don't have. And that's what has to change.
Starting at the beginning, the AO3 was founded by a group that was mostly women. They worked on feminist principles and instituted things such as the amazing tagging system and the opt-in Warnings: Major Character Death, Graphics Depictions of Violence, Underage and Non-Con. It's easy to see how those four were picked: they are subjects that can easily hurt (and when I use that word I mean do actual harm to) readers. To protect our fellow fans, we authors on AO3 have the option to make sure people don't even have to see things like the title, tags and summary of a fic that contain those kind of fics. Which is great!
Now here's the thing: the subjects of racism and slavery are incredibly painful to a lot of people. I think we can all agree on that. But the founders of the AO3 didn't think to make it one of the major warnings on the site. Why? I don't know. I wasn't there. But it strikes me that this as a decision by a group mainly made up of people who have never personally experienced racism, and who weren't actively working towards anti-racism at the time.
But the AO3 also says it's "in beta", which means that they're still developing and trying to make a better site, right? Trying to make an Archive of Our Own. And for many, many years now fans of color have been speaking up on the topic of warnings and racism, suggesting it be added. The response from the AO3? Silence. Here's how I know: I only found out about this discussion last year through the tireless work of the same people I've been linking to in the current discussion. I've never seen the AO3 address the fact that they are making a safe space for fans who are triggered by sexual violence and underage content, violence and death (universal experiences, unfortunately) but not racism. Which is a universal non-white experience in fannish spaces. (To put a quick end to a slippery slope argument I've seen: yes, this goes for transphobia and the like too! You should listen to marginalized groups when they say "this hurts us, can you make it easier for us to avoid?". And if you can't do anything straight away, you should make sure the conversation about this is public, so those people who are hurting know that you are listening to them.)
So that's one facet of the racism issue. Another is how bad the AO3 is at handling abuse, and how people facing racist and other hate and harassment have been raising this issue for years. What I was completely unaware of until like, this week, is that the AO3 is one of the places people in fandom are most vulnerable to abuse. On Twitter you can lock your account and block users from interacting, on Tumblr you can block people, on Dreamwidth you can lock your posts and block people - but on AO3? When it first started you couldn't even moderate comments. This is a thing now, and you can lock your stories to registered users only. But for authors who have protected their other social media accounts, AO3 is where their harassers can get to them. Of course harassment can happen to anyone, but it disproportionately affects people of color and other vulnerable minorities. Making sure they can feel safe should be a priority, and again: silence.
One of the good things that changed recently after input from concerned users is that the AO3 made it possible to reject gifts and opt-out of being listed as co-authors. Before that what was happening was that awful people were writing horrifying "fic" - like stuff straight up written to traumatize the target of their harassment - and then gifting it to them, or even making them co-authors on it against their will. From what I heard, it was difficult (if not impossible) to get the AO3 to shut that sort of thing down.
Now that avenue of abuse is gone, which is great. But many others remain, including bookmarks (authors can see all comments on bookmarks) - and of course the fact that you can't block people on AO3. Would blocking solve everything? Of course not. Is it technically feasible? I've heard various takes. Could they at least acknowledge that it's a known problem and publicize what steps they are taking to solve it? Yes, they could - but they haven't.
The other facet of abuse is that while a lot of people use the AO3 in good faith and try to be mindful of fellow fans that is unfortunately not true for 100% of the user base. There's always gotta be someone out to just be a dick - and on AO3 there are people who are being racist dicks. I have seen thread after thread of people talking about contacting the AO3's Abuse Team to report what they have experienced as targeted racist harassment in particular tags. These people have gotten very patronizing "this is not a real problem" kind of responses. And it's true that the AO3 shouldn't censor content, but if someone was posting G-rated fic marked "No Archive Warnings Apply" and then filling them with the kind of content that the AO3 does give you the option to warn for that person could actually be banned. (ETA: If this was systematic and in bad faith rather than an honest mistake. As pointed out in a comment, the Abuse team don't ban people for failing to use warnings properly.) But if someone does the same with racism rather than sexual violence? There's literally nothing stopping them from this.
Why? Because there's nothing in the Terms of Service about racism or racist abuse, and for something to be considered abuse it has to be in the Terms of Service. So that's leaving a lot of people in position vulnerable to abuse where the AO3 doesn't have their back. I find this line particularly striking:
Not everyone agrees about what is offensive and unacceptable. Individual users are encouraged to try to resolve problems on their own before contacting the Policy & Abuse team.
Of course it isn't a simple thing to change your Terms of Service, and the Abuse Team are all volunteers and they're working super hard and doing a fabulous job. But if it's to be an Archive for everyone, wouldn't it make sense for the AO3 itself to call out certain behaviors - including racism - as completely unacceptable? Rather than putting the burden of "resolving problems" on people of color who are experiencing the abuse?
And again - the thing is that this might seem like a lot where the AO3 can't change overnight...but this discussion didn't start this week, or even this year. It's been going on for as long as the AO3 has existed, pretty much (since I'm focusing on the AO3 here and not the larger question of racism in fandom). Which brings us back to the AO3's silence on all these matters, and the fact that instead of showing that they are listening to people who are hurt and vulnerable they are responding with a resounding silence.
One of the things that have brought all of this out in the open right now is everything happening in the world around us. With #BlackLivesMatters, pretty much every business with a Twitter account has put out some kind of statement. Most of them were boilerplate blandness, but at least the matter of racism was being acknowledged. The AO3, though? The first (and so far only) time they have mentioned anything about the situation wasn't even on the AO3, but in the OTW's newsletter "This Week in Fandom".
On June 10th they finally broached the issue of racism - but in a way that really amplified that silence about their own organization. The entire newsletter is written in a way that was very much "Look at all the racism fans are fighting elsewhere". This is a huge missed opportunity to address all the points made above, and acknowledge that people have been talking about these things for a long, long time. The OTW cited two noted scholars on the topic of racism in fandom who were so disappointed in the framing and in the lack of engagement in these questions that they asked for those citations to be retracted. I'm trying not to riddle this with links, but the text of their request and the OTW's response can be found here, and is very enlightening.
So this leads us again to the fact that there was a news roundup that acknowledged fandom's involvement in anti-racism, but the AO3 - who have a news section, and banners for fundraising, and other channels of communication - have made no public statement about any anti-racism as of today, June 17th 2020. Not one thing. (ETA: A Statement from the OTW Board of Directors, Chairs, & Leads was released on June 24th.)
Several people have written good stuff on statement vs actions and of course actions are more important, and of course statements can also be flawed. But as Jenny Hamilton on Twitter puts it:
here is why I think statements are valuable:
1) they establish a shared reality
2) they establish shared values
So at this point in 2020 when there is a global mass movement for #BlackLivesMatter, the AO3 hasn't even established that they see and acknowledge the reality of people who experience racism, and they haven't established that they think anti-racism work is important.
Which, again, if this is the first you're seeing of it probably seems like something that can be easily excused and isn't that bad. But as a part of this ongoing pattern, the fact that the AO3 is not actively and vocally anti-racist? Means that it is racist, in these structural ways that people have been pointing out for years. The AO3 prides itself on being feminist, but feminism without anti-racism is literally just feminism for white people and...that's really not where I want an organisation I love to be at.
To read more, I recommend checking out my previous roundups:
June 14th - links and resources
June 15th - links and resources
June 16th - the OTW's response to people contacting the Board re: racism
June 16th - links
I will also put the list of recommended reading on fandom and race that
- Fleeting Frustrations # 7: Archive Frenzy and Being (Un) Grateful To Our Fannish Foremothers
- Squee from the Margins: Interview with Rukmini Pande
- Queer And Unusual Space: White Supermacy in Slash Fanfiction
- Pattern recognition: A dialogue on racism in fan communities
- Why I Think RaceFail Was The Bestest Thing Evar for SFF by NK Jemisin
- "Yes, the Evil Queen is Latina!": Racial dynamics of online femslash fandoms
- Transformative racism: The black body in fan works
Anti-racist changes to the AO3 Platform
ETA: All roundups etc on this topic can be found in my tag fandom & racism.
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Date: 2020-06-19 03:59 pm (UTC)Hullo. You don't know me, but through some 'six degrees' stuff, I became aware of your post this day and the 14th, and a post by no_detectives with a letter template for AO3.
I have posted links to these in my own LJ/DW, because I think this information needs to be out there; i was completely and utterly oblivious to this issue/problem until I saw these posts.
If that's an issue, I'll take the links down (sheesh, should have asked first, huh?). I appreciate your curating this information and sharing it. Thank you!
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Date: 2020-06-20 02:50 am (UTC)When the most recent issue with AO3 first arose, I had no clue about the frustrations that had been simmering with them for a while, and because I remember RPS fandom in the turbulent days pre-AO3, unfortunately, I think my instinct, which was to defend them, inadvertently made a fellow BIPOC fan feel worse about the situation -- and of course that's on me, and I'm trying to make amends by reading up on things as much as possible. I was directed here, and am finding your list and compiled resources very useful and also fair-minded. Thank you.
I've added and subscribed to you; I hope you don't mind!
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Date: 2020-06-20 09:08 pm (UTC)Thank you for subscribing - I will warn you that I mostly post squee about Guardian and pictures of cats and nature. But I'm very glad the links are coming in handy for you. I hadn't planned on doing the continued roundups but at this point I think I'll keep going as long as we're in this state where people are having many conversations about this issue and the AO3 continues to fail to address it.
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Date: 2020-06-22 08:57 am (UTC)Right now the OTW has released a statement saying they're, uh. Going to release a statement. Soon. So nobody has any idea exactly what's going on there, or what they need, or what would be helpful to offer.
I think contacting the OTW Board directly is probably a good way to approach them? I'd link to their contact form but the whole domain is down for me right now. (Or possibly just join as a volunteer to get to be on the inside track?)
Another thing to do is to participate in the upcoming AO3 elections and raise this all with candidates to see where they're at and which 3 out of the 6 you want to support (if you are a voting member, which you get to be if you donate at least $10 to the AO3 by June 30th).
Find the candidates and their platform and links to where to submit Q&A questions to them here: https://elections.transformativeworks.org
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Date: 2020-06-22 02:53 am (UTC)Why should slavery be a major warning when the archive is multicultural and slavery as described in your post is an issue/historical event that is mainly anglocentric? I understand it might be insensitive to say this, but many nations and ethnicities have experienced slavery and racial injustice worldwide. I know the impact of those isn't felt as strongly (or at all) in the west, but it's still profound and felt nonetheless, and I don't think it's ao3's place to decide what qualifies as a major enough historical event to warrant its own major warning tag.
Alternatively, if ao3 were to add a general racism archive warning, wouldn't that subject authors to harassment of the you didn't do all your research on this or that custom/I disagree with your portrayal of this character therefore it's racist, i'll report you sort? It's very easy to know if something is non-con or underage or violent or if the main character dies or not, but how do you quantify racism? People already tag for things like racist language and themes, and racial harassment and violence, but those aren't the only forms racism can take and determining what sort of racism qualifies as the proper kind of racism for an enforced archive warning tag would put ao3 in a position where they have to define billions of people's lived racial experiences and tell them whether that's racism or not. That's not their place, and I would argue it's not even a specially selected committee's place. This is probably the reason there isn't a racism archive warning tag and I imagine it's also the reason there isn't a sexism archive warning tag or a homophobia archive warning tag, etc, etc.
I'm sorry, I do agree that ao3 needs to be improved, I just don't know if either of these suggestions is the way to go. It'd be nice if there was a browser extension in the vein of X-kit that hides fics with certain tags or warns you if you're about to read a fic with certain keywords.
As an aside, I don't believe it's fair to accuse ao3 of indifference when they worked so hard on the exclude search filters, or to speculate on the founders' background and experiences based on whether racism, sexism, etc are archive warning tags or not.
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Date: 2020-06-22 07:27 am (UTC)It's NOT ENOUGH. That is the point. It is not enough. They are doing the bare minimum, they are not implementing any change, they are offering hollow, meaningless words of "Black Lives Matter" with no action. This is performative. It is unacceptable. It is disingenuous. And the post clearly outlines INDIFFERENCE in response to reports of abuse and harassment, where a recipient is traumatized and the team does nothing to mitigate that.
You need to step back and instead of jumping to defend AO3, read about and empathize with creators of color.
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Date: 2020-06-22 08:06 am (UTC)Okay, so first of all I'm going to approach this as if you're coming from a place of good faith where you have already read widely from BIPOC experts on this subject (for example, the reading linked from this post). Because I am a white European who has barely scraped the surface of all this, and there are so many more qualified people to learn from. (Though they do enough emotional labour putting out the material they are, so coming here with comments is better than engaging them directly on things they have probably already answered in their writings.)
Second: there is literally no tangible evidence that the AO3 is even considering implementing another major archive warning. Everything being discussed is in pure hypotheticals, so in my opinion it's more helpful to spend this kind of passionate I have strong feelings about the AO3 doing more reading on structural racism in fandom (which is a real problem) rather than trying to get to an enlightened position on something that might never happen.
So yeah, the tl;dr response to I'm sorry, I do agree that ao3 needs to be improved, I just don't know if either of these suggestions is the way to go is:
The AO3 isn't going to change things overnight, and when they do they will (hopefully!) have consulted with experts who have the knowledge and insight to guide them to make the best choices. So then you will know if either of these suggestions were part of that solution or not.
Moving on.
Why should slavery be a major warning when the archive is multicultural and slavery as described in your post is an issue/historical event that is mainly anglocentric?
Just because it's not deeply traumatizing to everyone doesn't mean it's okay to keep keep hurting people.
I don't think it's ao3's place to decide what qualifies as a major enough historical event to warrant its own major warning tag
So the thing here is that we're discussing what the AO3 should do on the AO3. We're not saying that anything the AO3 decides will become Fandom Law and if you break this ninja lawyers are going to kick in your door and serve you a Cease and Desist. And it actually is their place to decide what qualifies as a major warning. We know this because they already have. One could quibble that the "underage" warning shouldn't exist because different countries and regions have different ages of consent, so who can say what's really undrage. But the AO3 looked at the topic, said "this subject can hurt people so we should warn for it", and implemented the Major Warning category without first defining every single possible use of it.
So at this point if you do support the idea of Major Warnings it's kind of weird to be arguing for how something isn't enough of a hurtful thing to warn for.
It's very easy to know if something is non-con or underage or violent or if the main character dies or not, but how do you quantify racism?
I totally disagree. We as a society can't even agree on what consent is, and in an infinity of fictional worlds where you have mind control powers and shapeshifting powers and everything else under the sun one person's sexy fic is another's trigger. I've already covered underage - and that's just in real world jurisdictions. In fiction there are immortals who look like children and you can write stories set somewhere marrying a 12-year old would have been legal and normal and - really, the fact that a lot of the links I post have people disagreeing on various points of hypothetical scenarios is exactly what it would have looked like if the AO3 had been without major warnings in 2020 and decided to implement some. Just look at those posts going around saying "should this be M or E", and the fic I've seen with my own two eyes were people having fun genital-touching times and it's been rated G. It's not "very easy" to know anything, even if you personally feel you know exactly where the line between normal violence and graphic depictions of does not know every single person on AO3 will agree.
This is probably the reason there isn't a racism archive warning tag
Actually the reason there isn't a racism archive warning tag is that the people who set the warnings didn't think of it. Literally from the person who was key in implementing them:
Including something about racism straight up never occurred to me in 2008
And this is where feminism without anti-racism is feminism for white people comes in. In 2008 the people in charge were - by their own admission! - completely ignorant of anti-racist work, and that means the resulting structure is racist. And if you don't think that's worth changing...to use a meme quote, I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
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Date: 2020-06-24 05:28 pm (UTC)AO3 Abuse Team and Failure to Apply Warnings.
Date: 2020-06-24 11:55 am (UTC)Just a quick correction: this is inaccurate. People are not banned for failing to use an Archive warning. In fact, the Policy and Abuse team does not issue formal warnings for failing to use a mandatory warning. The one exception to this is when someone, after being asked to change it, goes and changes them back.
People might be banned for harassment, but that's a different matter.
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Date: 2020-06-24 12:16 pm (UTC)In the context of this discussion this is exactly what I meant. We're not talking about good-faith mistakes (I have seen some serious gential touching in G/T rated fics that I wouldn't report because...eh, to each their own interpretation) that the Abuse team would either do nothing about or issue a warning for. But if someone was spamming a tag with graphic material under the pretense of there being nothing to warn for, this could lead to a banning.
I'll add a clarifying note in the text.
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Date: 2020-10-08 05:11 am (UTC)I linked to this post from one of my recent posts, hope that’s okay!
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Date: 2020-10-12 12:26 pm (UTC)"It's easy to see how those four were picked: they are subjects that can easily hurt (and when I use that word I mean do actual harm to) readers."
Actually, the reason they were picked - as
"But the founders of the AO3 didn't think to make it one of the major warnings on the site. Why?"
Because racism was not a common warning in fanfic communities at that time. I belonged to dozens of fanfic communities then; I don't recall that any of them required racism as a warning. I also don't recall racism being a common warning on home pages. The default warnings in fanfic communities were intended as warnings that fandom in general had agreed were always needed.
"But it strikes me that this as a decision by a group mainly made up of people who have never personally experienced racism, and who weren't actively working towards anti-racism at the time."
If you broaden that statement from "founders of the AO3" to "fandom in general," I would agree with you. I think fandom was likely very white in the 00s, and possibly not terribly involved in anti-racist work; this was reflected by what warnings the community chose as their defaults.
I'm a little wary of blaming feminism, though. I don't think most fanficcers back then were deriving their warnings from feminist principles, but simply from what bothered them personally. Underage fic, for example, bothered quite a lot of fanficcers, so that was warned for (or banned, in the case of some communities).
So I think you should see that time period, not as a time when we were all sitting around having meta discussions on what fic causes harm to readers (though I did take part in some of those discussions). Rather, I think what primarily shaped the warnings system is fanfic mods discovering that certain storylines were so likely to raise cries of anguish in their communities ("You killed off Spock!") that those storylines needed to either be banned or be warned for.
What AO3 did was to take the idea of warnings and run with it, by establishing an elaborate tags system, so that anything could be warned for. I don't think I can convey how short fic warnings tended to be back then compared to now, thanks to AO3's tag system.
As for the default warnings: they were never identical on fanfic communities. They varied from community to community. AO3 chose the most common warnings then; there's no reason why they can't expand the warning system now to include warnings that have become more widely requested.
Personally, I'd prefer a general "intolerance" warning; otherwise, AO3 is setting up a situation where everyone will want a separate default warning for intolerances they find unbearable to read about: racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, etc. I think the tags system will still allow for creators to be specific about what type of intolerance they're warning for. But I do think the time is well past when AO3 should have a default warning for "intolerance or depictions of intolerance." And I really appreciate those who have raised this issue, and have continued to raise it over the years.
In that vein, thank you so much for the links in your post!