Pixel Scroll 5/31/25 Scroll Tuesday Night

(1) MASSIVE SPOILER WARNING. And don’t read the URLs of these two links, either, which also contain the spoiler.

Gizmodo asks “What the Hell Just Happened on ‘Doctor Who’?” – and then answers the question. No spoiler in the first paragraph, fortunately.

Doctor Who‘s latest season has just come to an end—and with it, we just got hit with an absolute shocker of a cliffhanger. Let’s discuss, shall we?

The Guardian’s storygoes even farther with a spoileriffic headline that I won’t quote fully: “Doctor Who finale sees…”

(2) LOCUS APPEAL NEARS END. The “Locus Mag 2025” fundraiser at Indiegogo ends today. With seven hours still to run it had taken in $80,375. How much does that help?

…With rising inflation, tariffs, and shipping costs, it now costs over $725,000 a year to publish the magazine, run the website, and present the awards each year. Through subscriptions, advertising, and existing donations and sponsors, we can count on $400,000 in anticipated revenue next year. That means we need to raise an additional $325,000 to make it all the way through 2025….

So there are probably more fundraising efforts to come.

(3) THE 20,000 LEAGUE MISSION. “Star Trek Alum Shazad Latif Captains the ‘Nautilus’ in First Trailer for Rescued Sci-Fi Series”Collider profiles the show.

Star Trek: Discovery‘s Shazad Latif is going where no man has gone before… but this time, instead of outer space, he’s headed to the hidden depths of the ocean. Latif stars as Captain Nemo in Nautilus, AMC’s new reimagining of Jules Verne‘s classic science fiction novel 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. The show’s new trailer sees him set sail in the titular super-submarine, even as he’s pursued to the ends of the Earth. The series premieres June 29 on AMC and AMC+.

In the new trailer for the 19th-century-set science fiction series, which serves as a prequel to Verne’s novel, Nemo is the prisoner of the East India Mercantile Company, a globe-spanning corporation that wields more power than any government. He and his fellow prisoners are put to work building the Nautilus, an advanced submarine that the Company hopes will further tighten its grip on the world’s seaways. However, Nemo foments a rebellion among his fellow prisoners and takes command of the ship, escaping into the depths with his fellow prisoners as his crew. The Mercantile Company is soon in hot pursuit, with a dogged mariner assigned to bring Nemo down; meanwhile, Nemo has an unwilling passenger on board. Will he have his revenge on his captors, or will the Company deep-six his ambitions?…

(4) NYT’S PETER DAVID TRIBUTE. The New York Times profile is terrific — “Peter David, Comic Book Writer Who Repopularized the Hulk, Dies at 68” – link bypasses the paywall. Here’s the very end of the piece:

…Mr. David, a gregarious soul who was befriended by movie stars and celebrities in the science-fiction realm, fondly remembered in his memoir the night he was watching the original “Star Wars” movie on television and its protagonist, Mark Hamill, called. A budding comic book writer himself, Mr. Hamill wanted to know: Could Mr. David write the introduction to a collection of his work?

“Uh, hey, Mark,” Mr. David said. “I’m watching you about to blow up the Death Star.”

“I can call back,” Mr. Hamill replied.

“No, that’s OK,” Mr. David told him. “I’ve seen this movie before. I know how it ends.”

(5) QUACKING UP. Scott Edelman is back with Episode 23 of the Why Not Say What Happened? podcast: “Why Howard the Duck Was the Silver Surfer of the ’70s”. (And here’s several dozen platforms where it can be found.)

Join me and Neil Ottenstein for a rambling panel about Howard the Duck in which I share the Marvel Comics chaos which caused me to be hired there in 1974, my regrets over having written an issue of Omega the Unknown, my ethical queasiness about owning original art, what it means when I say I knew Stan Lee before he had hair, my terrifying Bullpen encounters with “Jumbo” John Verpoorten, why Howard the Duck was the Silver Surfer of the ’70s, my Times Square street theater with Steve Gerber, the time Howard the Duck had to be hatched instead of laid, how immaturity cost me Captain Marvel, the only time I ever saw Stan Lee get flustered, and more.

Among other things, Edelman recalls the time Howard the Duck couldn’t get laid – see the relevant comics panel here, and read the whole story here.

(6) HOW WUDE! [Item by Steven French.] Ben Child, in the Guardian’s “Week in Geek”, ponders a galaxy full of hangovers rather than hope: “Ryan Reynolds has pitched an ‘R-rated’ Star Wars. What would that look like?”

Take all the essential ingredients of Star Wars – samurais in space, adventure among the wookiees, aliens with backward syntax, evil cyborgs with a penchant for murder by telekinesis – then imagine George Lucas hadn’t given us all of that through a PG prism. This, it appears, is what Ryan Reynolds did when pitching to Disney. “I said, ‘Why don’t we do an R-rated Star Wars property?’” Reynolds told The Box Office podcast. “‘It doesn’t have to be overt, A+ characters. There’s a wide range of characters you could use.’ And I don’t mean R-rated to be vulgar. R-rated as a Trojan horse for emotion. I always wonder why studios don’t want to just gamble on something like that.”

Let’s imagine the scene: a gaggle of studio execs are nervously cowering before the Hollywood A-lister’s megawatt smirk as he reveals his idea for a take on George Lucas’s space opera that doesn’t hold back. This is Star Wars Tarantino-style. Perhaps Mando’s got a drug problem, or Chewie really does rip people’s arms off – and beat them to death with the wet ends. Somewhere over in Coruscant a Jedi slices a corrupt senator into symmetrical chunks without ever unsheathing his saber. Or maybe Reynolds just thinks the galaxy far, far away could use a little more Deadpool & Wolverine-style sweary irreverence.

He’s wrong. Push Star Wars too far into the realm of self-aware snark, or nudge it to start laughing at itself before the audience does, and you undercut the very thing that keeps fans tethered to its dusty, big-hearted mythos. We already have umpteen animated takedowns – Robot Chicken’s fever-dream dismemberments, Family Guy’s fart-laced remakes – and they’re fine, in their way. But if Star Wars ever starts mimicking the shows that exist solely to mock it, then the circle will be complete….

(7) THE THING OF SHAPES TO COME. Rich Horton’s reviews of the finalists continue at Strange at Ecbatan: “Hugo Ballot Review: Someone You Can Build a Nest In, by John Wiswell”.

… The story is told from the point of view of Shesheshen, who is a shapeshifting monster, or wyrm, and who has threatened the population of the Isthmus for some time. As the novel opens, Shesheshen is awakened early from her yearly hibernation by a familiar menace — monster hunters….

(8) CONCURRENT SEATTLE. ConCurrent Seattle, a one-day alternate program created in protest of the use of ChatGPT by the Seattle Worldcon, had raised almost half of its $5,000 budget as of yesterday.  

The use of ChatGPT at WorldCon has been a breach of trust in an industry of writers whose work has been stolen to train genAI. ConCurrent, a one-day event being held on Thursday, August 14, 2025, at the ACT Theatre in downtown Seattle, is an alternative for those who want a convention with no genAI involved.

ConCurrent is not a replacement for WorldCon and will be free of charge and open to all….

(9) JAYANT NARLIKAR (1938-2025). [Item by Steven French.] The science journal Nature has an obituary of Jayant Narlikar who was not only Fred Hoyle’s PhD student and collaborator (together they developed an alternative theory of gravitation which rejected any Big Bang) but also wrote science fiction himself (his novel The Comet is still on the syllabus in some Indian schools). “Jayant Narlikar, visionary astrophysicist and science populariser, dies at 86”. He died on May 20.

… Narlikar’s influence extended well beyond academic circles. He was a dedicated science communicator and one of India’s earliest and most prolific writers of science fiction. A story exploring black holes and time dilation, submitted anonymously, won him his first award and launched a writing career that brought scientific ideas to a wider audience. His accessible and engaging popular science books became fixtures in school curricula and earned him the UNESCO Kalinga Prize in 1996….

(10) MEMORY LANE.

[Written by Paul Weimer.]

May 31, 1990Total Recall

By Paul Weimer: “Get your ass to Mars”.

Sure, I think as social satire The Running Man is probably better science fiction as a movie. But as a vehicle for 1980’s SF for Schwarzenegger that wasn’t Terminator, I think you can’t do better than one of my favorites, Total Recall.  The excitement of a movie “based on a story by Philip K. Dick” (which I subsequently read and was confused by how little it actually had to do with it.) 

But the movie is a corker from start to finish and so much of the movie is imprinted in my brain to this day. The movie’s insistence on keeping it very ambiguous, right to the end, if Quaid was dreaming or not , charmed me. I argued with my brother over this, who thought the “sweat drop” scene with Dr. Edgemar proved it was all real. I disagreed, and pointed out things like “Bluesky on Mars” being the name of his program, and how Melina resembled the woman programmed for his vacation. And if you listen to the commentary, Paul Verhoeven directed the movie with the point of view that it was all a dream, and Schwarzenegger acted with the point of view that it was reality. It makes for an interesting tension on screen and it works. 

There are lots of little details that happen in the background.  The change in geopolitical setup to a North-South Cold War. The Tokyo Samurai are trying to go for a fifth and deciding win in the World Series (so now the American Baseball leagues have teams in Japan…and the World Series is a best of nine affair). The movie is visually rich and generous like that, showing a lived in world that you can believe is real. Two worlds to be precise, both Earth and Mars. And the brutalist architecture pattern works for this authoritarian future. 

And of course the movie is hideously violent. The body count is high. 

The movie remains ever relevant with its critiques of colonialism, and authoritarianism. We are meant to side with the Free Mars movement, and maybe not until Cox’s Cohagen decides to kill everyone by asphyxiation does he really go from a tyrannical colonial figure who is vaguely understandable, to a true and undeniable monster that is irredeemable. But that steady revelation of just how horrible he can be starts with him looking sympathetic at first, and then unfurling his true nature and the extent of what he has done, and is willing to do.  It’s a dive into authoritarian and colonialist mindsets, and in this day and age, even more relevant than ever.

And the movie follows through on the implications of its technology with the character beats. When Richter is told that Quaid/Hauser won’t remember anything, he just has to punch him hard, because of all what he’s put Richter through at this point. It’s a character beat that makes sense given the tech.  And we have Chekov’s guns all over the place, which all fire, which propel us to the final confrontation. Sure, the “Ten second terraforming method of Mars” is bonkers and would not work. The movie doesn’t explain that there are more steps to the breathable atmosphere than melting the ice to get oxygen. I don’t care. 

I read the novelization, done by Piers Anthony, because “I wanted to know more”.  And I wish I hadn’t. I had not yet discovered how terrible Anthony was as a writer, but the novel’s insistence at each and every chance to say “yes this is real” over and over, was disappointing. Even at the end, when Quaid points out to Melina that she looks like the woman from Rekall, she casually says she used to do modeling for them. The book was determined to squash any ambiguity, and it was a major turn off. It did more solidly explain the terraforming, though and how it would work.

But the movie remains solid. Don’t bother with the remake. Watch the original.  Don’t let me down, buddy, I’m counting on you.

(11) COMICS SECTION.

(12) MURDERBOT SUITS UP. Alexander Skarsgård shows it’s a real challenge to pull on his costume in this TikTok video: “Discover the Morning Routines of Security Units in Murderbot”.

(13) TODAY’S THING TO WORRY ABOUT. “How the iPhone Drove Men and Women Apart” is a hooky headline, but the real topic of Ross Douthat’s Interesting Times podcast (which is the source of the New York Times article) is the declining fertility rate in many countries. If the NYT article is paywalled, the podcast episode is available on YouTube under the title “Progressives Are Driving Themselves Into Extinction”.

…Douthat: What about culture apart from politics? Because, while it is the case that culture is determined to some degree by tech, the smartphone creates culture in its own way. It’s also the case that the issue of declining birthrates is not one that much of elite Western culture has taken seriously. It’s not something that’s entered into the mainstream cultural mind the way that the threat of climate change has done. So you could imagine if it became a more important part of the cultural imaginary — some kind of self-conscious attempt to treat this as an important issue.

Let’s say, right now people in Hollywood would feel bad if they were perceived to be not doing something to fight climate change or something. Hollywood used to make a lot of romantic comedies. It doesn’t really anymore. There’s still a few. But are there cultural scripts that could be written — whether in movies or TV or elsewhere — that you think could actually make a difference?

Evans: I think definitely, yes. And I think it would be wonderful if Hollywood promoted that and supported that. In fact, as a joke last year, I even wrote a comedy script about how Hollywood could support fertility and things like that.

Even though I’m totally on board with that — and I think that’s very important — there are several frictions. One, it’s very difficult to do cultural engineering today, because we have infinite options of entertainment at our fingertips — on Netflix and everything. So if you’re not that interested in a romantic comedy — you know, in China, a lot of the most popular films are about divorce. So it’s difficult to do cultural engineering. On top of that, as long as people are hooked on their smartphones, they might not have the social skills to do it.

I think another possible mechanism would be to use the tax system and to give massive tax incentives to people who have children, because that’s a positive externality….

(14) NUMBER NINE? NUMBER NINE? “Scientists Say They’ve Found a Dwarf Planet Very Far From the Sun” – this link bypasses the New York Times paywall. “The small world was found during a search for the hypothetical Planet Nine, and astronomers say the next time it will reach its closest point to the sun is in the year 26186.”

A sizable world has been found in a part of the solar system that astronomers once thought to be empty. It probably qualifies as a dwarf planet, the same classification as Pluto.

Temporarily named 2017 OF201, it takes more than 24,000 years to travel around the sun just once along a highly elliptical orbit, coming as close as 4.2 billion miles and moving as far out as 151 billion miles. (Neptune is just 2.8 billion miles from the sun.)

And 2017 OF201 may have implications for the hypothesis of an undiscovered planet, nicknamed Planet Nine, in the outer reaches of the solar system.

“We discovered a very large trans-Neptunian object in a very exotic orbit,” said Sihao Cheng, a researcher at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J….

(15) WHAT’S THAT SMELL? [Item by Steven French.]

“My space-dog has no nose!”

“How does he smell?”

“Like a poisonous marzipan cloud!”

“From cat urine to gunpowder: Exploring the peculiar smells of outer space” at the BBC.

Scientists are analysing the smells of space – from Earth’s nearest neighbours to planets hundreds of light years away – to learn about the make-up of the Universe.

Jupiter, says Marina Barcenilla, is “a bit like a stink bomb”.

The largest planet in the solar system, Jupiter has several layers of cloud, she explains, and each layer has a different chemical composition. The gas giant might tempt you in with the sweet aroma of its “poisonous marzipan clouds”, she says. Then the smell “would only get worse as you go deeper”.

“You would probably wish you were dead before you got to the point where you were crushed by the pressure,” she says.

“The top layer of cloud, we believe, is made of ammonia ice,” says Barcenilla, likening the stench to that of cat urine.” Then, as you get further down, you encounter ammonium sulphide. That’s when you have ammonia and sulphur together – a combination made in hell.” Sulphurous compounds are famously responsible for stinking of rotting eggs….

(16) RARA AVIS. [Item by SF Concatenation’s Jonathan Cowie.] Eat chicken — I have never really forgiven the dinosaurs for what they did to Raquel Welch. This is this week’s Nature cover story….

The cover shows an artist’s impression of Archaeopteryx, the oldest-known fossil bird, which lived some 150 million years ago. In this week’s issue, Jingmai O’Connor and colleagues describe the fourteenth known specimen of Archaeopteryx — colloquially known as the Chicago Archaeopteryx because it was acquired by the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, Illinois. This specimen is important because it is so well preserved: it is nearly complete and has not been crushed, which means it retains a remarkable level of detail. This, combined with painstaking preparation guided by micro-computed tomography, allowed the researchers to uncover fresh information about the skeleton, soft tissues and plumage of this iconic creature. Among the team’s findings are specialized inner secondary feathers called tertials on both wings, and an indication that creature’s foot pads were adapted for movement on the ground. The collection of newly identified features suggests that Archaeopteryx was adapted for some level of flight and was comfortable living both on the ground and in trees.

[Thanks to Andrew Porter, John King Tarpinian, Chris Barkley, Scott Edelman, Cat Eldridge, SF Concatenation’s Jonathan Cowie, Mark Roth-Whitworth, Steven French, Kathy Sullivan, Teddy Harvia, Mike Kennedy for some of these stories. Title credit belongs to File 770 contributing editor of the day Daniel Dern.]


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31 thoughts on “Pixel Scroll 5/31/25 Scroll Tuesday Night

  1. Paul, there will be treats of a chocolate nature. Not chocolate covered manholes as they’re back ordered right now. Some Con wanted them in bulk next year…

  2. (3) So it is the story I read. But… lessee, no such thing as depth charges back then, and the saw teeth on the Nautilus are backwards – he used them to saw wooden sailing ships apart. Oh, no torpedoes, either… Looks interesting, though it’s another series I won’t see (anyone want to pay about $100/mo for me to watch multiple streams?).
    (5) If you’ve never read Howard the Duck, or only know of the movie… you know nothing of Howard the Duck. It was amazing – serious hard-nosed satire. The Cleveland river burning (it did), the Carpenters smiling, and coating them with saccharine, and then he ran for US President, and assassination attempts by the oil industry, the gun lobby, and… no, I’m not making this up.
    Memory Lane: you’re shocked by how little the movie had to do with the book? (rolls eyes) Never saw the movie, but the phrase that spread through fandom after it came out, was “I, Robot, based on the title of a collection of short stories by Asimov, and several characters with the same name as those in the book”. As I’ve said before, it’s Hollywood, where the IQ of the producer is equal to their belt size, and they’re “we have stars! We have special effects! Who needs that weird thing you call a plot, no one will understand it.”
    (13) Saw that. STOOPID. It’s not that we know, for a fact, that the higher the educational level of the woman, the fewer children she has, it’s not with the one Superpower being run by an angry, narcissistic Alzheimer’s patient, and the world’s terrifying, and people can’t afford kids, oh, right, it’s their mobiles. Oh, and tax credits… rather than GIVING THEM A LIVING WAGE. No. And it’s “only progressives”. Right.
    (14) If that’s nine, then no, it’s ten.

  3. Never expect the movie to closely follow the print story. Let it be a welcome surprise on the rare occasions it happens.

  4. (13) People don’t have lots of kids any more, because it’s expensive to raise them, and having kids is hard on the mother. Also the US stopped being mostly rural decades ago. (Fertility =/= children. My parents had three in four years, and that was enough.)

    (7) I saw that one some days ago on Tumblr and linked to it here. SFW!

  5. PJEvans: yep. You don’t need the free labor to work the farm… and as I noted recently, you don’t need so many kids so that some will get to be old enough to have kids of their own (I think it was 2 or 3 out of 8 or 10 at the time of the American Revolution.)

  6. 13) What a load of twaddle, but then I didn’t expect anything less from tRoss Douthat! Why is the New York Times keeping this guy around again? Is he their token Catholic conservative jerk?

    When I was a kid, there were four million people living on Earth? Now it’s eight million, i.e. the global population has doubled in my lifetime. We could do with much fewer people and it would be much better for the environment, too, because the environmental issues we’re seeing, including climate change, are largely due to the fact that there are too many people and that they all want and deserve a decent standard of living.

    Besides, most people still have romantic partners. Many still have or want children. However, people are no longer forced into partnerships or to have children, if they don’t want to, and they’re no longer forced to settle for or stay in bad relationships and that’s a good thing.

    As for this whole online distraction nonsense, even before the internet, people didn’t have to go out, if they didn’t want to. It was perfectly possible to stay at home every night and read a book or magazine, watch TV or listen to a radio drama. And the internet has fostered connections that wouldn’t exist otherwise, because it’s much easier to find people with the same interests, which leads to friendships and sometimes romantic relationships.

    I have plenty of connection in my offline life with neighbours, relatives, colleagues, etc…. But almost none of these people share my interests. They don’t read the same books, watch the same TV shows or movies, don’t have the same interests. This is where online friends come in.

    Besides, there still are plenty of in person events. Here in Germany, there are lots of fairs, festivals, concerts, sports events, plays, etc… every weekend and there are clubs of any kind, classes you can take, meet-ups, lots of way of meeting people offline. Some of the clubs are declining, because young people no longer join, but others are thriving. And church attendance is way down, but churches were already mainly attended by old people when I was a teenager.

  7. Besides, while romantic movies may be less popular than they used to be (and I’m not sure they are, considering the US Hallmark Channel makes good money out of nothing but romantic movies and the Bridgerton TV show is hugely popular), romantic fiction still exists and continues to be hugely popular. Romance is the most popular genre in the US. In the UK and Germany, crime fiction is more popular, but romance is still up there. Some of the bestselling SFF books right now are romantasy. There is no dearth of fictional works telling us that love and family are great things.

  8. (5) Howard the Duck. Amazing comic book, one of the best ever. The movie was one of the worst ever, sucked so badly.

  9. (5) I absolutely loved Howard the Duck ‘back in the day’ – still do! As a Thankyou for helping him one of our union members gave me a Marvel giant size HtD issue which I still treasure. Amazing work.

  10. I liked Total Recall. I thought it managed to be faithful to the Dick story in all the ways that mattered while still being a big-screen Hollywood action movie.

    It’s amazing how many Dick stories – with their complex philosophical themes and harassed Everyman protagonists – have been made into blockbuster movies with huge stars. Even more amazing how many of those adaptations worked.

  11. 13) Comedian Bill Burr pretty much put the capper on this one, referencing what politicians are reluctant to say (because they’d not get re-elected):

    “They (politicians) just won’t come out and say it. Nobody has the balls to just come out and say it, and just say ‘Eighty five percent of you (people) have to go”.

    The kicker is the uproarious, sustained and tremendously enthusiastic applause from the audience.

    We all know there’s too many of us. As Cora pointed out – more than doubled in our lifetimes. When I was born – 2.9 billion people (ALREADY too many). Now? 8.2 billion – almost a THREE-FOLD increase.

    Fortunately, like the rats in those rat city experiments, we’re beginning to unconsciously self-limit. Maybe it’s the influence of globally spread pheromones (talk about space stinks!). Hopefully we’ll do something conscious about it before we get to the baby-eating stages (although we actually might be there already).

    Or maybe the next pandemic will do us a “favor”, aided by our (pheromone induced?) willingness to embrace ignorance and stupidity.

    If you’ve not seen Burr’s take (there’s more than the quote from above), you can do so here.

  12. (8) There were definitely problems with Seattle’s use of generative AI, but they were about using it to find info about potential panelists given the technology’s tendency to invent facts, not about plagiarism.

  13. “We Can Remember It for You Wholesale” is one of my favorite PKD stories, a perfect little gem of cascading rug pulls. But I’ve always thought he was best at shorter lengths.

    (0) Entire and Perfect Scrolltitleite

  14. Avoiding spoilers, so skipping the discussions for a while.

    “Twenty-Eight First Dates Later: A Scientifictional Zombiological Romance”

  15. 3: So originally the publicity for this version of 20,000 Leagues (some months back) pushed how it was bringing to the screen Verne’s original concern for people of color, anticolonialism, and so forth. I pointed out here that Verne’s original plan was going to make Nemo a Pole disaffected by Russian oppression, so not a person of color and not a colonial as generally understood. Verne’s publisher observed that under tsarist censorship this would kill Russian sales, whereas the British were more forgiving about that sort of thing, so Nemo became an Indian (from India) who designed and built the Nautilus.

    So in the latest publicity version, Nemo may be a person of color and a colonial, but now he’s too dumb and/or resource-limited to design or build the Nautilus, and it’s only the British (in the person of the East India Company rather than the government) capable of such a thing. All Nemo can do is to steal it. A very humane and enlightened revision of the original story by Verne!

  16. 3) Verne’s Nemo was descended from Indian royalty. It explained how he had vast financial resources, was highly educated, and his grievances against colonialism. It all fits. The new movie trailer raises more questions than it answers. Why would the British build Nautilus in secret? Why would they build it with slave labor? How did they get skilled slaves who could build such a technological marvel (and be fully capable of operating it)?

    13) Rising prosperity and education leading to falling birthrates is by far the best solution for over-population. It was one of the things, along with renewable energy, that gave me some hope for the future. Sorry, that is in the past-tense.

  17. (10) We could crowdfund a campaign to pay Piers Anthony to stop writing.

  18. (13) Of course, the unspoken word in Douthat’s piece is “white”, as in “we aren’t having enough white babies.” Lots of kids being born, but only by the wrong people, I guess. I’d be embarrassed for the NY Times, but I hold them in such low regard these days that it’s impossible to feel anything other than contempt for the people in charge and what they print.

  19. The building I live in has about 160 apartment, so somewhere around 200 people most likely including children. A significant number are from Central Africa with more than smattering from the Sub-Subharan region as well.

    I see an occasional not approving look on some of the older white males on encountering on the older African females.

    I’m very friendly to them and they in turn are very friendly to me even though we mostly have no language in common )though the much younger ones do speak English). That I believe should be is universal. I know sadly it isn’t.

    I suspect in part their friendliness comes from because Okoko’s, my Africa caregiver who from Central Africa, Burundi to exact, is from their region as well, who is sometimes with me when I see them.

  20. @my dog is named hannah: Yes. World population is not declining – so it must be that Douthat is worried about some subset.

  21. 13.and comments thereon: Um, South Korea and Japan are notorious cases of hit-bottom birth rates. Lily-white both of them, presumably. Douthat’s arguments look a little silly, but not every stubborn conservative is a racist. There were even a lot of embarrassing (to leftists) counterexamples in the Puppy Wars, as in Puppies with non-white spouses or adopted children.

  22. If you expect to depend on Social Security or a similar government system in retirement, you need for there to be enough people a generation or two younger than you are working and paying into the system for you to be able to draw out, in the country you and they live in. It makes no difference what race you or they are. But population growth in sub-Saharan Africa does retirees in Western democracies no good.

  23. @bill: The US population is still growing as well; the 2023 population growth rate was higher than any year since 2001.

  24. @Patrick – Not every conservative is a racist. No, but I’d argue that Douthat and his apparent buddy J.D. Vance are. Or at least they’re willing to use racist tropes to make their points. The “we aren’t having enough babies” argument only makes sense if one excludes babies of those Other People. As Andrew pointed out, the US population is still growing and the 2023 growth rate was the highest in the last 20 years. If Douthat was worried about getting more babies borne, he’d welcome a lot of people into the country and encourage them to have kids. Instead he interviews JD (see NY Times from 5/21) and doesn’t push back at all about Vance’s talking points about the alleged threat to social stability from “migrants” (I forget whether Vance included Afrikaner immigrants in that group).

    And I examined his columns from April of last year through today, and didn’t see a single one directly addressing the incredibly racist anti-immigrant lies about Haitian immigrants in Springfied Ohio. In a podcast with several different Times columnists he did say that Trump’s claims were wrong, but that was buried in a podcast. And in the same podcast he defended Vance when Vance basically admitted that the stories he and Trump were repeating were false, but were really OK because the larger story was real enough, or something like that.

    As to the world of Puppygate, I’ll say the same thing I said back then: The mere fact that one’s in a relationship with a person from a different race doesn’t prevent one from saying racist shit (looking at you, Strom Thurmond). Just like being married to a woman doesn’t prevent one from being a complete misogynist.

  25. @Andrew (not Werdna)
    “@bill: The US population is still growing as well;”
    Because of immigration; not because American mothers are having lots of babies.

    @my dog is named Hannah
    “Vance’s talking points about the alleged threat to social stability from “migrants” ”
    Denying threats to social stability is an odd point to be making so soon after alien Mohammed Sabry Soliman tried to incinerate a bunch of Jews.

  26. (13) I would do anything for democracy, but I won’t Douthat, no no, no I won’t Douthat

  27. @ bill: “Denying threats to social stability is an odd point to be making so soon after alien Mohammed Sabry Soliman tried to incinerate a bunch of Jews.”

    It was a white trucker who shot and killed a bunch of folks at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh during Trump’s first term. I don’t see anyone calling for the mass deportation of white truckers. That’s a pointless argument and I’m done.

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