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edit- Live Is Overrated (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There are no references in the article. Searching online, I couldn't find any significant coverage of this album either. I don't think it meets the notability requirements of WP:NALBUM. – numbermaniac 06:37, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Finland, Poland, and Sweden. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 08:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Pain (musical project)#Video albums – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 10:52, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect unless someone improves this unreferneced OR (ping me if this happens). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- Stanisław Bohdan Grabiński (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unsourced since 2005. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 04:27, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep I can find a couple of sources about him, 1 and 2, and in addition a book search shows that he appears in several biographical dictionaries and dictionaries of heraldry. He also held elected office on Warsaw city council. Mccapra (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: The emerging consensus is that every article should have at least one reliable source, but a redirect is acceptable. Please ping me when a source has been added to the article. Bearian (talk) 05:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:ANYBIO, he was awarded the Virtuti Militari. @Bearian:, I added references to the article. Kelob2678 (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY - the proponent followed, literally, the instructions. I'd prefer a third source, but it's acceptable. Bearian (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved with the addition of references. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:22, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I see that sources were added to the article, if he appears in several biographical dictionaries and dictionaries of heraldry, and if he also held a elected office position on Warsaw city council, and if he was awarded the Virtuti Militari, he passes WP:ANYBIO and if the article's main components of sources were met and I have seen it addressed by the author, keep per WP:HEY.
- KhantWiki (talk) 01:28, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Withdrawing. It's clear that ANYBIO has been demonstrated. This can be closed.4meter4 (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Ełk riots (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Just because something was covered in media back then doesn't mean it's notable enough to have it's own article. There were multiple hate crimes in Poland but just like many other crimes not all of them deserve to have their own Wikipedia article. Nowadays it doesn't seem too significant.(WP:NTEMP) Nejvis (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The nomination contradicts itself citing NTEMP: it was notable back then, and likel still is. I see quite a few mentions of the incident in English acadeimic sources: [1]. The article itself cites two Polish academic articles about it, by Łyszczarz. It's a minor but notable incident. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:29, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Jadwiga Szubartowicz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable supercentenarian. Coverage is simply based on age. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jadwiga Szubartowicz. --Ferien (talk) 22:29, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:05, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The WP:GNG does not have a clause that says "significant coverage can be discounted if coverage is for a particular reason". Significant coverage is WP:SIGCOV irrespective of the reason it was generated. Previous nomination erroneously invokes policies that do not support deletion, like BLP1E. There is no "event" (since old age is not an event, but an attribute) in question to merge/redirect to, which is the implicature of a BLP1E justification. Katzrockso (talk) 11:19, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Out of the seven sources presented in the article, the first two are from the same source, Kurier Lubelski, a local press outlet, and cover her 110th birthday and death. The third source is a database. The fourth is a short, non-bylined article in which at most two paragraphs are independent. The fifth is just a set of pictures. The last two also do not provide significant coverage. I am open to a redirect if an appropriate target can be found. Kelob2678 (talk) 08:24, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Kelob2678
- There is this report [2] of her death from another outlet, Wiadomosci, one of the most popular news programs in Poland, which provides WP:SIGCOV. This report of her validation from the GRG [3] also gives more WP:SIGCOV (considered reliable at WP:RSN). These news article reports her reception of a medal in March 2017 [4] [5].
- Given that all the relevant articles on supercentenarians were deleted, there is no redirect target. Katzrockso (talk) 09:05, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Onet's reporting is from a local Lublin branch, this leaves us with two local media outlets. I suppose a bigger problem here is that, when covering her life, these media outlets are basically acting as historians and are thus not reliable. Another issue is the source of their information, the likeliest option is that they just retransmit family legends. How otherwise do they know that she was in Petrograd in 1917, that her brother was sent by the Nazis to a concentration camp, or that her husband was a veteran of a World War II battle? Finally, if we strip all historical background, we are left only with very scant information, which is mostly from her, but not about her. To conclude, there are dire problems with independence, reliability, and sigcov. With respect to GRG, there is only a consensus that her birth and death dates are accurate[6], I am not sure if there is a consensus that the biographical information there is reliable. Kelob2678 (talk) 16:35, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
these media outlets are basically acting as historians
Is this not the case for millions of Wikipedia pages that report biographical details? I don't see how this article is any different than thousands of other articles that are based on media reports of biographical details for nearly the entire substance of the article. I don't think that this coverage or any of the other coverage is "unreliable". Katzrockso (talk) 22:08, 19 November 2025 (UTC)- This depends on the context. Journalists writing about events in the 2010s are not acting as historians, but those writing about the 1970s are acting as historians. This is why the GRG is needed to verify their dates of birth, because local journalists lack competence and are unreliable. Kelob2678 (talk) 09:23, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Kelob2678 would you suggest that a paragraph like this:
Malala Yousafzai was born on July 12, 1997 in Mingora, Pakistan. Mingora is the largest city in the Swat Valley of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province in Pakistan. Yousafzai was the first of three children born to Ziauddin and Tor Pekai Yousafzai. Although it was not always easy to raise a girl child in Pakistan, Malala Yousafzai’s father insisted that she received all of the same opportunities afforded to boy children. Her father was a teacher and education advocate that ran a girls’ school in their village. Due to his influence, Yousafzai was passionate about knowledge from a very young age, and she would often waddle into her father’s classes before she could even talk. However, by the time she was ten years old, Taliban extremists began to take control of the Swat Valley and many of her favorite things were banned
- from [7] is not SIGCOV in a SIRS for Malala Yousafzai? I think it is and that a source reporting it remains a reliable source for reporting it.
- It also doesn't obviate the fact that these articles reporting on events that occur in the present day, such as birthdays, receiving medals, her death, funeral, obituary, etc. These are all things reported on in RS too. Like the articles I linked above about her from Wiadomosci has 3 paragraphs about her being visited by Mayor Krzysztof Żuk, the article from Kurier Lubelski has ~10 sentences and ~245 words about it. The reports of her death give other biographical information - only one paragraph is about her youth - are the rest all not SIGCOV? Katzrockso (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand the relevance, but yes, the block quote is sigcov. The source is surely reliable because it is some sort of history museum, not a local journalist relaying family legends. I agree that this is sigcov from Onet, but I don't see any from Kurier, for instance, I don't consider this one to be sigcov. Kelob2678 (talk) 13:52, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Why don't you consider that obituary to be sigcov? Even discounting her early life we have:
"Until the end of her days, she captivated us with her wisdom and clarity of mind, and everyone who had the honor and privilege of knowing Mrs. Jadwiga drew great inspiration and energy for life from her testimony," emphasizes Ewa Dados, a journalist and friend of Mrs. Jadwiga. "Just the day before yesterday, she said so beautifully, 'I love you all.' And we loved her immensely. Today, she fell asleep quietly, leaving sadness and longing behind," Dados adds.
She also remembered how Matejko's famous painting was being transported from Lublin, a time when carriages and carts were still used. "There were no asphalt roads. Even Bernardyńska Street had cobblestones. I remember that when they were taking Matejko's painting—The Battle of Grunwald—to hiding, the cart rattled loudly," Jadwiga said.
During her conversations with Kurier Lubelski, she expressed surprise at the media's interest in her, as she lived a modest and quiet life. "I never imagined I'd be featured in newspapers or asked for radio or television interviews. I also never thought I'd live to be so old," she replied.
On March 7th of this year, she became the first Lublin resident to be officially honored with the city's 700th Anniversary Medal by Mayor Krzysztof Żuk. She recalled her recipe for longevity: "We must constantly educate ourselves and improve ourselves. With God's help, we must seek beauty and goodness, and overcome evil."
She spent the last few months in the Social Welfare Home on Ametystowa Street in Lublin.
- None of these passages depend on whether or not accounts of her early life are true or not. Regardless, I do not agree there is a meaningful distinction between the Malala Yousefzai passage and this one: on what basis did the history museum obtain that information about Malala Yousefzai's early life? I could have picked a lower-profile figure too: do you consider the first section of Oblempong Nii Kojo Ababio V to be based on material that does not provide significant coverage? Katzrockso (talk) 02:11, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- The provided passage contains Ewa Dados's recollections, a sentence about the medal, and a sentence about a welfare home, no sigcov. Kelob2678 (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand the relevance, but yes, the block quote is sigcov. The source is surely reliable because it is some sort of history museum, not a local journalist relaying family legends. I agree that this is sigcov from Onet, but I don't see any from Kurier, for instance, I don't consider this one to be sigcov. Kelob2678 (talk) 13:52, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- This depends on the context. Journalists writing about events in the 2010s are not acting as historians, but those writing about the 1970s are acting as historians. This is why the GRG is needed to verify their dates of birth, because local journalists lack competence and are unreliable. Kelob2678 (talk) 09:23, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Onet's reporting is from a local Lublin branch, this leaves us with two local media outlets. I suppose a bigger problem here is that, when covering her life, these media outlets are basically acting as historians and are thus not reliable. Another issue is the source of their information, the likeliest option is that they just retransmit family legends. How otherwise do they know that she was in Petrograd in 1917, that her brother was sent by the Nazis to a concentration camp, or that her husband was a veteran of a World War II battle? Finally, if we strip all historical background, we are left only with very scant information, which is mostly from her, but not about her. To conclude, there are dire problems with independence, reliability, and sigcov. With respect to GRG, there is only a consensus that her birth and death dates are accurate[6], I am not sure if there is a consensus that the biographical information there is reliable. Kelob2678 (talk) 16:35, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I am not concinved that living a long, uneventful life, and being noticed near its end by regional press, is enough for notability. Borderline, yes, hence weak keep. If she was noticed by (inter)national or academic sources, I'd likely vote weak keep. For now, I've also nominated her bio on pl wiki for deletion: pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2025:11:23:Jadwiga Szubartowicz. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Piotrus She was noted in this academic work [8]. Katzrockso (talk) 03:01, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Katzrockso Thanks, sadly the mention there does not meet WP:SIGCOV. It seems to just confirm that she exists (and that she was helpful to the researchers). Similarly, she can be mentioned in Supercentenarians in Poland or a related list, but IMHO there is no need for a dedicated article (of course, she can have one on Wikidata). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:16, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Piotrus
- Yes, I'm aware that it doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV, but you said "noticed by (inter)national or academic sources". What I don't understand is why significant coverage in reliable sources (even if regional) is not sufficient to qualify for notability under the WP:GNG - the guideline states nothing about the locality of sources or a requirement that a subject receive SIGCOV in academic or international sources (hence why WP:ITSLOCAL is on ATAATA). Insofar as we consider the GRG an academic source (which given that its members are published authors on longevity, as evidenced by the article I sent above), I don't see why this [9] piece is not SIGCOV in an academic/international source. The GRG is an academic organization & is not based in Poland (I'm no fan of the GRG, but that's a topic for a different discussion). I understand your concern that "living a long, uneventful life, and being noticed by its near end by regional press" may be not track with the conventional sense of notability, Wikipedia's sense of notability is founded upon whether there is significant coverage in reliable sources, which even local regional coverage is sufficient to establish. We have plenty of articles on niche regional people who never accomplished anything particularly "amazing" in their life, by virtue of the fact that they received SIGCOV in SIRS. The reason that media covered a topic (barring paid coverage) has never been a determining factor in evaluating the notability of a subject. Katzrockso (talk) 05:31, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Fair; in the end I subjectively believe that "just being alive for a while"+"coverage in local sources only" are not sufficient for notability. I am fine if my view is not considered in majority and the article is kept. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:27, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Katzrockso Thanks, sadly the mention there does not meet WP:SIGCOV. It seems to just confirm that she exists (and that she was helpful to the researchers). Similarly, she can be mentioned in Supercentenarians in Poland or a related list, but IMHO there is no need for a dedicated article (of course, she can have one on Wikidata). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:16, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Piotrus She was noted in this academic work [8]. Katzrockso (talk) 03:01, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep. Normally I would say merge to List of Polish supercentenarians, but unfortunately that list was deleted. In general it is better to cover supercentenarians in lists unless something other than age is also the basis of encyclopedic note because the other details are not usually WP:DUE and content wise it is a better editorial choice. That said, we have WP:SIGCOV, so... absent a suitable merge target, keep.4meter4 (talk) 03:54, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Svartner (talk) 11:11, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I think it's important to have an overarching conversation about whether being a supercentenarian is a valid rationale for notability. I haven't seen a clear consensus on individual AfD's I've participated in on this matter. There appears to be some consensus for redirecting to appropriate lists with a short bio, as was done for this subject in 2017, but since the list was deleted it seems reasonable to keep this page as there is SIGCOV of the subject which would meet GNG. Nnev66 (talk) 15:47, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
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