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eli ([personal profile] eli) wrote2005-03-14 11:23 am
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SGA 1.18

A bit of analysis of the ep, a bit of meta on the show. Babbling. Tangents. Good thing I'm not getting graded on this stuff or anything.


All season the writers have been placing these bits and pieces of personal, moral, ethical conflict throughout the story to go with the physical fighting:

* Between the Earth perspective and the Pegasus perspective, whether that's Shep vs. Teyla or Atlantis vs. the Hoffan/Genii/New Brotherhood.
* Between what the Ancients "say" happened and what we're learning happened, and where we're not sure what the hell was going on but it doesn't look good.
* Between civilian and scientist and military, both within the Earth contingent and among all the cultures we've seen.

It's everywhere, and no one side is completely right or wrong. Even Kavanaugh has a bit of a point (his ego is simply larger than that point).

But all those pieces would just get frustrating except for the fact that the writers keep coming back to them and moving them forward. So many threads (sorry, but that name fits this better than the SG episode) weaving through the episodes to come to here. Taking just one:

Bates was there in Rising, captured along with Sumner and Halling and Teyla, so he's seen what the Wraith do first-hand, but he didn't make much of an impression. He really comes into focus with his concerns about the Athosians in general and Teyla in particular in Suspicion, and leaves the strong impression of a xenophobic security hardass. He helps keep track of Steve in Poisoning the Well, but the next time I truly noticed him was Hot Zone, where he gets stuck between Shep and Weir in the breaking the quarantine debate, and where suddenly I'm really feeling for him caught in that mess of a chain of command they've got going there. He gets even more layers, and the first real sympathy, in Letters From Pegasus with that message to his younger brother and his back-and-forth with Ford. And then here in this episode we finally get the full combo of him as trusted to be leader of the alpha site; the one who is immediately going to point out that Teyla's learned info from the Wraith and it's possible that went both ways (I didn't get a vibe that he thought she told them); and the one who (yes, I believe) Shep and Weir had standing by as a last resort if the Wraith took control of Teyla again, and who didn't say, "I told you so," but who was probably thinking it.

The writers had a season-long arc for Bates. Granted, we've still got two huge episodes coming, but at the beginning of the season, or even by the hiatus, I so would not have placed any money down on that one. I almost know as much about him now as I do about Ford.

Anyway, There's tons of fun in this episode, with the byplay between Shep and McKay and Ford showing how much they've gelled as friends and a team. There's also the adorableness of McKay and Zelenka that only multiplies when you add Beckett and Weir in.

But the meat of the episode is focused in Teyla and the Wraith and the Ancients. Like I told Minnow on Friday: "we got a Teyla that I really want to know and, oh wow, character growth that's critical to the overarching storyline. Glee."

Teyla's still feeling like an outsider. Understandable. No matter how much she fits into the team when it's off-world, or what personal connections she's made with Shep and...really, who else have we seen her interact with? Weir's probably next, and I wouldn't call them "friends." Anyway, there are more than a dozen different cultures represented on Atlantis, but they're all Earth cultures, and Teyla simply doesn't have event that one point of commonality that could balance out all the other differences. She's got to be feeling it particularly hard right after that conflict with Shep in the last episode.

(And yes, I do think he was off base in the beginning of this one. He should bring concerns about one of his team to the group's psychologist. No matter if they're friends, that is his job as a team leader. However, because they are friends, and Teyla isn't used to the Earth way of doing things, he should've worked a little harder/been less oblique about getting Teyla to go see her on her own, instead of having Heightmeyer be the one to approach. But then, given the denial he was getting at the sparring exercise and the very odd outburst at the meeting, I can imagine that he figured springing it on Teyla might be the only way to not get her to stonewall. Eh. It was clunky, but frankly, it was a clunky I could believe in character. I wouldn't call them close friends, either, and they are a bit pressed for time right now.)

At the same time, I'd be annoyed if the writers had her fitting in too fast. The delta in Teyla's culture change isn't as extreme as Teal'c's was, but it's not that far off. What she does, what she says, it all reflects on the entire Athosian culture, which has pretty much re-established itself off on the landmass from what we saw. And while it wasn't her fault, Bates hadn't been wrong to suspect her back at the beginning of the season; there could be other things she doesn't realize are dangers.

She doesn't fit in with the Athosians any more, either. She goes to the camp in Atlantis clothes, clearly hasn't been there in a while, passes off the "you've changed" comment with an evasion about cutting her hair...and discovers that she really does have a connection with the Wraith.

(I do wonder what that trip back to Atlantis was like. She wouldn't have said a thing to Beckett, I'm betting, or he would've been in on that "briefing" with Weir and Shep when Teyla got back. I can't help but think that must have been supremely uncomfortable for Beckett, because I don't doubt that he'd have tried to ask. Heightmeyer escaped the fate of being as obvious a Mary Sue as Kerry over on SG, but she definitely served the role in bits, like pointing out how controlled Teyla feels she always needs to be.)

She's still trying to get comfortable with that when the discovery of the Wraith lab leads to the fact that she's actually part-Wraith, and when Weir gets the idea that there's a bit collective consciousness thing going, of course Teyla's going to jump on the potential to tap in. She's a warrior, a leader, someone who knows they need whatever advantage they can get right now, but she's also looking to fit in and to prove herself. Confidence and fear are both serving as drivers the first time, and it seems they are even more the second time; she is in control, she needs to be in control. And, it turns out, she's totally not in control. I kind of expected the takeover, but yeeks. That was still creepy as hell.

On the side, there's also the discovery that the Ancients were in great part responsible for the Wraith coming into being. That information could be helpful in the upcoming seige, it could not. I'm sure it will be helpful down the line. Poor Beckett may not get much sleep, though.

(Personally, I'm still up in the air about the accident vs. negligence part. I did rewatch Rising the other day, and was struck by the Ancient hologram lady's comment that, "Then one day our people stepped foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own. In our over confidence, we weren't prepared and outnumbered." Something doesn't quite fit there. But from the time they first started showing up in SG, I got a distinct sense of "we know better than you" from the Ancients, and I wouldn't put anything past them.)

The only real knowledge that Teyla gained for her efforts was that the Wraith are coming for Atlantis because they know it's the only way back to Earth, and they don't just think that would be a neato-cool idea -- eat 'til you drop, instead of getting a serving -- but they need Earth. The Pegasus population just ain't big enough yet. Again, interesting information, but here I definitely don't see how that actually helps Atlantis in this fight that's about to happen. They were going to defend the city and the gate, anyway. This is...extra reason to fight? I dunno.

But at any rate, Glee! Growth for a character, growth in our understanding of that character, and growth in our understanding of the show's universe and the show's plotline. Ooooh! We got the same three-for-one with Weir's episode, and I don't know if the writers can keep this up in coming seasons, but wow I hope so. Because damn this is fun.


Also, posted a little something over at [livejournal.com profile] sga_flashfic. Gen. A post-ep for 38 Minutes: Damages.

[identity profile] thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
Bates! I love Bates. One thing that really impressed me was that they made me go from disliking the character to loving him without ever changing who he was. By the end of the season, I just felt as though I understood him more, and that made the all the difference. Hard-assed military, but for all the right reasons.

I enjoyed this episode a lot, and I have to admit, I was a little leary of it. Mainly because of SG1--when an episode is focused on a female character, it ends up being about romance. Well, not always, but you know what I mean. Sam's overall character arc is all about the two men in her life--Jacob and Jack. ::sighs::

Anyway, got off topic there.

I loved that there was an explanation for Teyla's "sensing the wraith" bit, and I loved how tired and cranky she was in this ep, yet she still managed to keep it together. Definitely in control. Except:

I kind of expected the takeover, but yeeks. That was still creepy as hell.

That scene in the infirmary, where the wraith takes over her body? Fabulously done. I was very impressed with RL there, because really, she's an adorable little thing, and she managed to be effectively menacing and wraithlike in that moment.

As for everything else, yeah, what you said. Character growth, plotlines that connect and make sense, a slow unfolding of their universe--I so hope they keep it up next season. This show has been a very pleasant surprise (aside from the whole slashy aspect of it.).

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
They've built up others, too, but what so impresses me is that they took even that character -- who on most shows would've stayed the unreasonable hardass -- and gave it more than I've seen for "minor" characters in the entire run of SG. That's just cool. *g*

And you're right, the SG folks have done some good character-focused episodes, but Sam's have pretty much stunk. Not AT's fault at all; it's all on the writers. That said, RL did a great job with this episode.

I so hope they keep it up next season.

Fingers crossed!

[identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
I wrote up my own thoughts about The Gift this morning, but I've been pondering since. Don't you think that Teyla has a feudal sensibility? Her ties are almost always to *people*, not principles or larger constructs like government. We've seen it in the way she acts as intermediary for new planets, and I think that one reason she threw in with the Atlantis crew was that Sheppard came to save her people when they were captured by the Wraith. But now she's seen that the Earthlings can do the expedient thing, even when it means that friends will be hurt, and she's kind of flailing around.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:27 am (UTC)(link)
That's a really good point. It's a different way of thinking about the big picture that translates down into the details, and it's very easy to see how she'd be thrown by the Earth folks' apparently "split" perspective. Her not quite getting the idea of the value of the individual (seen in coming after the captives, in the distaste for the Hoffans' solution) existing equally with the idea of acceptable losses and planning for the long-term with finite resources.

Some of this comes back around to the difference in long-term goals. The Athosians seem to live and "plan" for nothing more than survival. They don't seem to have thought of the idea that eliminating the threat will also ensure survival. The Brotherhood people were like that, too, to a certain extent. But not the Genii. But even then, the Genii hadn't banded together with anyone. And the Hoffans are sort of in the middle, but they weren't planning to join with other planets on their plan until they finished their solution all by themselves. Very weird mindset out there in that galaxy. I want to know more. Like if they all tried to band together at some point since the Ancients abandoned them and were slapped back so hard that they gave up, or if they just never tried.

And you know, the Athosians really confuse me. They live like nomads now -- structures, lives that can be picked up and moved, even if they're quite settled for periods of time -- but they clearly had cities before. And they weren't all that thrown by Atlantis, but by the Earth group's ways. What gets me the most, though, is that Teyla makes a point of mentioning how "simple" the Genii supposedly were. Because if you went by appearances, looking at the Genii's surface way of life and comparing it to the Athosian way of life, back on Earth you'd be more likely to put the "simple" label on the Athosians. I really want to know the history of that culture; why they seem to have deliberately gone "backwards" and yet maintained the same "advanced" outlook/knowledge.

Damn it. When I think about this show, it turns into as much of a brain-buster as BSG.

[identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
Pegasus seems to be chock-full of xenophobic and suspicious societies (Genii, Hoff). I have to assume its because of the Wraith culling pressure creating a competitive type of environment. If planet X gets culled, planet Y might survive a little longer - that type of thing.

The Genii intrigue me so much, because of their concious duplicity at displaying an agrarian society. Also, I wonder when everybody gets a chance to change outfits when they go underground - are there changing rooms so they can nip into their uniforms?

I wonder if we're supposed to think that the Athosians have a rich cultural tradition - oral history or the like, somethign they can sustain while living as nomads.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
See, that's it, there's such a huge range of plans (or lack thereof) on each planet in regards to the Wraith. Although I do have to wonder about the Genii, and when that decision to create the deception happened. And whether there are planets who knew them before the change.

Also, hee. I'm sure they do have changing rooms, but...hee.

Anyway, you didn't get stuck in the anthrax lockdown this afternoon did you?

[identity profile] minnow1212.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
> "Then one day our people stepped foot on a dark world where a terrible enemy slept. Never before had we encountered beings with powers that rivaled our own. In our over confidence, we weren't prepared and outnumbered." Something doesn't quite fit there.<

I'd forgotten about that. Hmm. I wonder where the truth lies.

>The writers had a season-long arc for Bates.<

:bounces: I don't even love Bates or anything (sympathetic enough to him, but don't have the squee! reaction I have to, say, Zelenka), but I adore the fact that they've done this for a minor character.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
I so don't trust the Ancients to be straightforward about anything. Especially if they didn't have the Nox, Asgard, and Furlings looking over their shoulders at the time. They had agendas and pride, just like anyone else.

I don't even love Bates or anything (sympathetic enough to him, but don't have the squee! reaction I have to, say, Zelenka), but I adore the fact that they've done this for a minor character.

Oh yeah. He's never gonna be adorable or anything. But that's just it. They gave depth to a non-adorable, non-comic relief character! Hell, you could argue that he's got more depth than Siler or Walter, and they've been around for years.

[identity profile] fanaddict.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
Watching this first season of Atlantis has been a fascinating experience in watching an arc happening, without our noticing it as such until suddenly in these last few eps everything is coming together emotionally/character development and in regard to their situation in Pegasus. I'm actually supremely amazed because if you had asked me after years of watching the original Stargate that the spin-off would have season long arcs... I'd probably have laughed.

The thing that I like that they've done is how in the first half of the season they had eps that were not essential to the overall Wraith plotline, but instead were character development/bonding eps that at the same time established how completely FUBAR most of Pegasus is. We got to see the desperation of the various peoples of Pegasus before we (the viewer as stand in for the SGA folk) really understood how threatening the Wraith actually were, which now ratchets of the tension because now we understand even better why the Hoffans would sacrifice 50% of their people to stop the Wraith, why ritual suicide was acceptable to the ancestors of the kids to keep their people safe, why the Genii are such desperate asses, etc. I have a feeling that after this season ends, if we go back and watch the first half again (when I didn't think there was any arcing going on), we'd probably see many eps in a whole new light. And that is super-cool.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:45 am (UTC)(link)
'm actually supremely amazed because if you had asked me after years of watching the original Stargate that the spin-off would have season long arcs... I'd probably have laughed.

::snerk:: Tell me about it. SG sorta does it. Sometimes. But not like this.

I mentioned to Katie the other day that some of the difference in the shows may really be simply when they were created. I was referring to the type of stories (the "darkness" of SGA and BSG in comparison to SG), but it sort of holds for the way the stories are told, too. Yes, there's been a whole lot of chatter about networks loving shows you can watch here and there without losing out on anything, but really, look at what scripted shows have done well recently. Quite a number of them are the ones with a story to tell.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the hiatus for SGA and BSG, just because it'll give time to think about the things that we've been caught up in with the benefit of hindsight. I never did get to that whole evaluation of Hoffan vs. Genii vs. Earth perspectives, but it's still bubbling. (Some of it spilled out in my response to Pouncer up above.)

[identity profile] fanaddict.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, but Stargate SG-1 began after DS9, XF and B5 had established the fannish love for arcs. So I think if they had wanted to go in that direction they could have, since there was enough data to suggest it would be successful.

I kind of am looking on it as a similar situation to TNG and DS9. I think that the first sequel/series (whether to a TV show like TOS or the Stargate movie) plays things safer then later spin-offs. It's like... first establish the series and it's parameters and get people interested, and then in the second series you can toy with all those things a little more, make it darker or whatever because people have already accepted the main premise from the first series. My thought is that by the time they had established SG-1 basics, they were in the middle years already and having contract issues and questions raised about actor availability, etc so the idea of long arcs was out.

Also, while many of the same people are involved, the dynamics may be very different as to who's in charge of season arcs vs everyday stuff.

[identity profile] barkley.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, Bates, how you are interesting now. I recall back in the day, when he was all suspicious of the Althosians, that I wanted his very valid point to be given a little credence and not written off as the StockUnfeelingMilitaryMindset point of view. And then in Letters from Pegasus, I was so pleased to get another side of him.

This week, I was so thankful that we had Letters from Pegasus because that knowledge did make his scenes more interesting. His actions aren't the carboard military actions anymore. He's a real person, and that makes him interesting even when he's doing the same thing he was doing when he was boring and one sided in the early episodes.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 10:50 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. He totally had a point in Suspicion, and not just because it turned out Teyla's necklace was the problem. There's a reason the SGC is locked down the way it is. (And that whole issue of the Athosians living in the city vs. moving out to go live on the land [I keep balking at calling it "the mainland" -- it's the only land, so there is no "main"] is something I've been playing with in what's beginning to look like it wants to be a long gen story...eep.)

But he was very much being set up/contrasted as the heavy in that episode. So I love that they bothered to take the time to build him up past that into a person with layers.

[identity profile] saeva.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
Over here from [livejournal.com profile] metagate and I noticed this little quote: "Heightmeyer escaped the fate of being as obvious a Mary Sue as Kerry over on SG, but she definitely served the role in bits, like pointing out how controlled Teyla feels she always needs to be."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying, basically, that Doctor Heightmeyer is a Mary Sue (if a non-"obvious" one) because she's... competent at her job? Something's not computing there, honestly.

- Andrea.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
Hello.

She's there to serve as the writer's alter ego, with the perfect answer/comeback to anything, on too many points for me to be completely comfortable with her as a true character. Maybe I should have called her a deus ex machina, because it really feels like they just pulled her out of a box to say what they needed and then stuck her back in now that that plot point has been moved along. But really, other than the painful author-insertion type, that's what most Mary Sues are for -- to serve as the central axis around which the main characters solve their problem.

But if they keep her around and use her other than when a main character needs to have a full-out breakdown (because she was right, there should be minor psychological issues all over that city), like have Rodney keep dropping by. Better yet, have Teyla keep dropping by. Or have Weir even just mention her as an option for when they finally decide to bring up Sora again. Whatever. If any of that happened, I'd be thrilled. It's always bugged me that they hardly used (and now have dropped completely) the psych staff at the SGC. That's a whole other matter, but talk about people who need therapy...

[identity profile] saeva.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're confusing 'Mary Sue' with 'one-off character'.

- Andrea.

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know that I've ever seen anything saying that a Mary Sue can't be a one-off. Most of them are, in fact, when they're in a show (vs. the written medium).

[identity profile] saeva.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Mary Sues, by nature of what they are, distort the universe. That's what the perfect self-insert is about and what the wangsty 'the universe revolves around me' inserts are *often* about. They place themselves in the universe in such a way that everything, from the physical laws of the universe, to the established characters behaviours, to often even small things like the details of the dress at the school (to use a Harry Potter example), bend themselves to the character's will and to help aid *that* character in their arc. They come into a universe and they *solve* that universe.

What they do not do is "serve as the central axis around which the main characters solve their problem" because they are so busy solving the problems (or adapting the problems into not-problems, more typically, so that a restriction that applies to the main characters does not apply to them and therefore X thing is not a problem for them) themselves.

What a one-off character, by the nature of what it is, does *is* serve as the central axis around which the main characters solve their problems. They offer a key bit of advice the main characters are, by virtue of their own skills or positions, unable to see. They have X device that's really important but are unable to use it themselves and thus pass it along to the hero. They serve a single and singular function and when that function has been served they disappear into the background to quite possibly never return again because that function is necessary to further the main character's plot(s) along.

But I could accept that we're positing different definitions of 'Mary Sue' and 'one-off characters' if you would agree that the old Athosian woman that Teyla visited and was told the story by, thus enabling her to figure out what the *actual* and immediate problem was (in comparison to Heightmeyer who, at best, offered a suggestion that is something Teyla's limited by but wasn't the actual problem in this situation in fact) is a Mary Sue.

If you were to say that then you're definition of Mary Sue would be consistent, though obviously I disagree with it. Would you say that?

- Andrea.

[And if I come off as a little short I apologize, but in the last few days I've run across accusations that Chaya is a Mary Sue, Teyla is a Mary Sue, Sam is a Mary Sue, Kerry is a Mary Sue, and Janet is a Mary Sue, and I've reached the point where being quiet about what I think about people seemingly label every woman who isn't very, very old as a Mary Sue for showing the slightest bit of competence at their established skillset or natural tendencies just isn't going to happen. Maybe that's not what you're doing here, but considering you labelled two women Mary Sues in your post by virtue of them serving a function in a major character's arc and moving the plot along, well, you can see where I might see that as a little out of hand, right?]

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-15 09:09 am (UTC)(link)
I think we are using different definitions, although I wouldn't agree that the old Athosian woman fits. In my understanding, her role isn't large enough. But you know, I'm not exactly wedded to any particular definition, since I have yet to see anything in fandom that comes with a definition that everyone agrees on.

I understand your frustration on a wide scale, though.

I guess for me, because of the lack of consensus, the definition of terms like this is one of those things where I tend just check to see if what I think I mean is what someone else thinks I mean, and if it's not, nine times out of ten I'm just not worried enough about it to argue it.

In this particular situation, I started out with the fact that people all over my flist had been calling Kerry from the SG ep "Threads" a Mary Sue, and my thought process was that if you're going to call her one, then Heightmeyer looks an awful lot like one, too. That's it. Definitely not a need to go around labeling competent female characters as Mary Sues. Hell, I'll pick on the guys, too.
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[personal profile] cofax7 2005-03-27 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I admit to calling Kerry a Mary Sue. Not because she's a one-off with a unique perspective, but because she sleeps with a lead character and then graciously sacrifices herself while assisting the leads on the road to romantic happiness.

Oh, and the hair. *g*

It's not entirely accurate, though: a real Mary Sue is easily spotted by the way they warp both the universe and the characterizations around them. They're a black hole of authorial wish-fulfillment, changing the space-time of canon in accordance with their preternatural powers and abilities. In that sense, Kerry isn't a Mary Sue. If she really were, she'd, um, know more about archaeology with Daniel, have studied astrophysics at Cornell, and be a former SEAL or something. And she'd have purple eyes. And be Sam's second-cousin. *g*

[identity profile] jenlev.livejournal.com 2005-03-14 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
reading your thoughtful and insightful posts and commments made me realise that somehow teal'c seemed more at home with the humans in the early seasons than teyla does. this is probably just my subjective perspective...and i'm watching the nox right now so that may impact my impression.

i agree that teyla is not completely of either culture....i'm hoping this gets more attention in upcoming seasons/episodes. it's a potentially nice dovetail with how the humans could naturally become more disconnected from their own culture. at some point they will really become atlantians?

i love what you've said about john's approach to teyla's situation. perfect, and it feels like how john would approach her and the status of his 'teammember' given the context.

i love that this show has layers upon layers. *g*

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-15 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
Some of the Teal'c vs. Teyla situation may be that Teal'c is completely cut off from his people and his way of life.

By joining with the SGC (and once he got past the NID and everything), he didn't just remove himself from his old environment and culture, he placed himself in direct opposition to it.

Teyla, on the other hand, is still connected to her people, and in fact stands for them and the others in the Pegasus galaxy, promoting their needs and wants and ideas. It's a very different role, in fact.

[identity profile] jenlev.livejournal.com 2005-03-15 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
very good points. and i also wonder if there's something in the essence of the character that is also different? i'm thinking of the connection between jack and teal'c and how that might have impacted the process. :)

[identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com 2005-03-15 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the closeness with Jack would have happened anyway -- they really do think so much alike on so many things (except that whole Jaffa revenge thing *g*). Teal'c also really clicks with Hammond in those first seasons, who provides that stricter chain of command POV. But I do think a lot of it was how cut off Teal'c was. He would, well, not "cling," but really attach himself to Bra'tac whenever the old guy showed up.

[identity profile] jenlev.livejournal.com 2005-03-15 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
i agree...and you're reminding me about the way that hammond interacted with all of them too. i miss him.

very interesting how teal'c's relationship with bra'tac has developed over the years. i hope that gets more attention next season. *g*

what you said about the "jaffa revenge thing" applies beautifully. teyla has a lot of unfinished business round about the pegasus galaxy. ;)