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Corrections


DO NOT tell us:
-if your fandom is in the wrong media category (a book under movies, etc) unless it's only in the wrong category. Please check ALL the categories before you report a problem.
-if the characters in your fandom all belong, but the disambiguation tags entered in brackets after their names aren't all the same. Sometimes we have to enter really long strings after a character name to keep the character where they're supposed to be.

If the words in brackets entered after your fandom name are wrong (mis-spelled, misleading), we may look into that, but we'll probably look at other things first. Feel free to tell us, but this may not be corrected.

Please DO tell us:
-if you nominated something, but you can't find it at all.
-if you nominated characters in a particular fandom, but you can't find them there.
-if the characters you nominated got corrected to something wrong.

Please provide your nominations link.

App and Letters


There will be a tagset app just as there was last year - thank you, karanguni! It will be available in a few days after some corrections have been made to the tag set.

You will be able to add your letters later. Please stand by for a letters post, which is also coming soon, after the tag set has been tweaked.


Some Stats


So far, this is the Yuletide of Guardian, Gideon, and Goose!
Fandoms with nominations from 10+ accounts:
镇魂 | Guardian (TV) ...19
Gideon the Ninth - Tamsyn Muir ...19
Rivers of London - Ben Aaronovitch ...16
琅琊榜 | Nirvana in Fire (TV) ...15
陈情令 | The Untamed (TV) ...14
Fleabag (TV) ...11
The Terror (TV 2018) ....11
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance (TV) ...10

Total initial fandoms: 3376
Initial characters: 13268

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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:06 am (UTC)
Looks like Much Ado About Nothing (2011) is in movies rather than theater (it's a filmed play).
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:12 am (UTC)
This is due to the underlying wrangling, which cannot be changed by our team. Sorry

Re: miscategorization?

[personal profile] luna - 2019-10-22 01:18 am (UTC) - Expand

Re: miscategorization?

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(Anonymous)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:08 am (UTC)
Hi, I could have sworn I nominated Empires & Puzzles (video game) but I don't see it in my nominations or in the tagset? Did I just totally space? This is v possible but I still wanted to check. [archiveofourown.org profile] ba_lailah
(Anonymous)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:09 am (UTC)
Oh shoot sorry I forgot my nomination link. https://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/3404/nominations/131795 [archiveofourown.org profile] ba_lailah

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(Anonymous) - 2019-10-22 01:17 am (UTC) - Expand
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:17 am (UTC)
The tv show I nominated can only be found under the Books & Literature category and not found in the tv shows category:

Strange World (TV 1999) (2) ↑
Major Lynne ReesePaul Turner
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:38 am (UTC)
Ack. That has been fixed now, but it won't update in the tagset until we make other fixes.
(Anonymous)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:28 am (UTC)
I don't have a second account and I'm afraid of members of the fandom coming after me for reporting it, but crooked media fandom has nominated ineligible characters again (Hanna Koch and Emily Black Favreau are wives the hosts who are otherwise not famous). This happened last year as well and they were removed but someone has nominated them again presumably hoping you wouldn't notice. (I understand if you decide to ignore this because it's not signed but I wanted to point it out)

-podsa anon
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:06 am (UTC)
I'm also a Pod Save listener, and it the rule hadn't occurred to me when I saw them in the nominations spreadsheet, but this anon is right. I'm not 100% sure of Hanna Koch, but Emily Black Favreau is definitely not a public figure; she's briefly mentioned by her husband Jon at times, but never appears on the pod and isn't active. She's very different than say, Ronan Farrow, who is a Pod significant other (fiancé! hurray!) and also a famous journalist who has made multiple appearances on the Lovett Or Leave It podcast

(no subject)

[personal profile] celli - 2019-10-22 02:52 am (UTC) - Expand
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:37 am (UTC)
thank you for all your hard work, tagmods! you are the unsung heroes of yuletide. <3
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:59 am (UTC)
Hear hear!
(Anonymous)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 01:54 am (UTC)
There's an MV nominated twice. Not sure if it was kept like this on purpose.

Deja Vu - Dreamcatcher (Music Video) (5)
데자부 | Deja Vu - Dreamcatcher (Music Video) (4)

If it matters, the group has seven members, and the 2 not nominated in the first one were nominated in the second one:
Kim Bora | SuA (Deja Vu Video)
Lee Siyeon (Deja Vu Video)

- T anon. + I'm not the nominator of either.
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:06 am (UTC)
In the fandom "Benjamin January Mysteries - Barbara Hambly" there's a typo in a character name. "Maria Laveau (Benjamin January Mysteries)" should be "Marie Laveau (Benjamin January Mysteries)"
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 04:51 am (UTC)
Also, I noticed that Tender Stories Nº4 - TOUS is listed under Books, but it's a commercial--I wrote a fic for it in a previous Yuletide. I believe commercials usually are listed under Other Media, and I couldn't find it there.
Edited 2019-10-22 04:52 am (UTC)

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[personal profile] evil_plotbunny - 2019-10-22 02:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:16 am (UTC)
Not sure if this is exactly "wrong category" or not, but Montaillou - Emmanuel Ladurie is a nonfiction history book, and all the characters nominated are nonfictionalized real people being written about from detailed primary sources.

It's currently under Books & Literature, and it *is* a book, (and I requested the book rather than 14th Century Occitan RPF on purpose) so that's fine if that's where it really belongs! I could not remember if there's some kind of established precedent for nonfiction books being nominated with real-person characters. But if there's no existing guideline for nominations of books like that, I think it fits better in RPF with the documentaries and historical rpf (or with both books and rpf).

https://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/3404/nominations/128426

Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:18 am (UTC)
Books go under books whether they're fact or fiction, as per archive guidelines. RPF of the book would involve the author, maybe the editor, the copyeditor, and I'm not sure who else. ;)

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[personal profile] melannen - 2019-10-22 02:30 am (UTC) - Expand

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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:17 am (UTC)
七爷 | Qī Yé - priest (0) appears twice. It's in the correct category (Books & Lit), but perhaps not doubled?
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:28 am (UTC)
DC Super Hero Girls (Web Series 2015)
Batgirl (DC Super Hero Girls 2015) should be Barbara Gordon (DC Super Hero Girls 2015). She is explicitly Barbara Gordon and spends a whole season as Barbara Gordon without a superhero identity before becoming Batgirl
Supergirl (DC Super Hero Girls 2015) should be Kara Zor-El (DC Super Hero Girls 2015). She is referred to by personal name in the series. There is no ambiguity over it.
Technically, I don't think Starfire was ever referred to by her personal name, but it is Koriand'r.

Bombshells (Comics)
Kara Starkinov should be Kara Starikov
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 10:50 am (UTC)
Not a problem, those should be fixed up now!
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:29 am (UTC)
It's not my fandom, but while scrolling through the lists I saw that "Der gleiche Himmel" is listed only under Movies, when it is in fact a short TV show.
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:50 am (UTC)
I'm not sure if you want to know about duplicates, but there are two Jessica Jones under The Defenders (Marvel TV).
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 03:09 am (UTC)
Not the nominator, but Deja Vu by Dreamcatcher is in the set twice under different names.
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 03:40 pm (UTC)
What an appropriate fandom to have that happen to, though...

*amused*
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 03:14 am (UTC)
Not the nominator, but the character set for "Newsflesh Series - Mira Grant" includes the author ["Newsflesh Trilogy - Mira Grant (Newsflesh Series - Grant)"].
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 03:16 am (UTC)
Not my nomination, but I noticed that "Tea in the Tempest - Omar Rayyan" is listed only under "Books and Literature." It's a painting, so I guess it should be listed under "Other Media"?

(no subject)

[personal profile] evil_plotbunny - 2019-10-22 02:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 04:03 am (UTC)
Not my nomination, but I see Poniatowksi is listed under 18th Century CE Frederician RPF. Now, it's perfectly possible someone nominated him because they were interested in his connection with Frederick the Great, but since that connection is rather tenuous (all I know of is the First Partition of Poland and I don't know of any particular interesting anecdotes or even if they ever met in person), and since Poniatowski was a favorite/lover of Catherine the Great, and since Catherine got nominated in Frederician RPF...I thought I'd check and see if maybe Catherine and Poniatowski got nominated under a different fandom, and the tagmods slotted them together under Frederician RPF because of the overlap with Catherine the Great. If so, then might I suggest Catherine and Poniatowski be categorized under Historical Royals and their Favourites instead? (ETA: just to clarify, I mean having two Catherine nominations, the one Selena nominated in Frederician RPF for her relationship with Frederick the Great, and one in Royals and their Favourites for her relationship with Poniatowski, if that's what was intended.)

But if Poniatowski was explicitly nominated under Frederician RPF because someone wanted fic about the two of them, then I'm kind of stoked about that. :D Just want to make sure the fandom is consistent with the nominator's intent, 'cause it could go either way.

P.S. The Catherine nomination in the Frederician fandom (again, not my nomination) has a small typo: Ekaterina, not Ekatarina.

P.P.S. Pretty stoked about the whole tag set, tbh. Thanks for all your hard work, mods!
Edited 2019-10-22 05:22 am (UTC)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 04:24 am (UTC)
There are two historical RPF-fandoms nominated that I think ought to be merged (I did not nominate either, but noticed this while browsing the tagset).

(a) "Carthage RPF" with characters:
Dido | Elissa (Carthage RPF)
Hannibal Barca (Carthage RPF)
Publius Cornelius Scipio (Carthage RPF)
Sophonisba (Carthage RPF)

(b) "Punic Wars RPF" with characters:
Hannibal Barca (Punic Wars RPF)
Hasdrubal Barca (Punic Wars RPF)
Mago Barca (Punic Wars RPF)
Scipio Africanus (Punic Wars RPF)


The issues are these:
1) several historical figures (Hannibal Barca, Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus the Elder) are common to both tagsets.

2) With one exception (Dido|Elissa) all figures nominated are from the Second Punic War. However, one can easily make the case that Dido, who is often represented as the original mover of the war, is not irrelevant to the Punic Wars, and the nominator or any requester might well want her to appear as a historical figure, or in a dream or a vision, or as an ancestor spirit, or a ghost, or in some other way. It seems to me that all these figures could be put under the heading of "Punic Wars RPF". In 2017, Scipio Africanus and Hannibal Barca were nominated under the fandom "Punic Wars RPF"

3) Names. The current most common ao3 tag for Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus Maior seems to be "Scipio Africanus". (Understandably, standardizing ancient Roman rpf characters is a low tag-wrangling priority). I personally would prefer "Scipio Africanus | Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus Maior" to avoid all ambiguity with Scipio Aemilianus (the younger Africanus -- himself not irrelevant to Carthaginian history or the Punic Wars, and I only assume that both nominators meant the Elder). But having the same historical figure appear under different names in RPF fandoms that are functionally the same seems excessively confusing.

For the sake of tidiness and to minimize confusion in requesting and offering, can these fandoms be merged into:
"Punic Wars RPF" with characters:
Dido | Elissa (Punic Wars RPF)
Hannibal Barca (Punic Wars RPF)
Hasdrubal Barca (Punic Wars RPF)
Mago Barca (Punic Wars RPF)
Scipio Africanus (Punic Wars RPF)
Sophonisba (Punic Wars RPF)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 04:41 am (UTC)
Thanks for all your hard work!

There's a duplicate in Nirvana in Fire (TV):
-Mēng Zhì (Nirvana in Fire)
-Mēng Zhì
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 05:34 am (UTC)
I have an approved Nomination that I can't locate (even using ctrl+f with things expanded) anywhere in the tag set.

The fandom is Pride and Prejudice (1995) and this is my nominations pages where you can see it was approved https://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/3404/nominations/129242

Thanks!
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 05:43 am (UTC)
Duplicate character in The Expanse Series - James S. A. Corey:

Amos Burton (The Expanse Series - Corey)
Amos Burton (The Expanse Series - James S. A. Corey)

(not my nomination)
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 06:07 am (UTC)
Because there will be a separate forthcoming anime with a plot that is likely to differ from the existing mobile game, for disambiguation purposes I still suggest that マギアレコード 魔法少女まどか☆マギカ外伝 | Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story and the six nominated characters should be listed under Video Games, not Anime/Manga.
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 06:34 am (UTC)
Thank you for all your hard work, mods!
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 12:12 pm (UTC)
My nomination in Fate/Grand Order for Kingu (Fate/Grand Order) was overwritten by another of my noms, Gilgamesh: https://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/3404/nominations/126446
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 12:28 pm (UTC)
No problem! He should be in the tagset now.
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 12:40 pm (UTC)
This is my own mistake, but Rostand's Cyrano de Bergerac is only under Books & Literature, when it should be under Theater.

My nomination is here.
Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019 02:30 pm (UTC)
I'm looking into this and I hope to get back to you soon.
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