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Jun. 4th, 2026 04:28 pm
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Confusion and ‘More Chaos’ as States Implement SNAP Food Restrictions

Five states have already implemented bans on soda and candy through federal food assistance programs, with over a dozen more set to take effect this year.


Abusing poor people is popular.

The real aim is not to make people eat healthier foods, but rather to discourage people from using assistance programs. The benefits are not free, but cost a significant amount of time and energy to obtain. If they are stingy and/or restrictive, then it quickly becomes a waste of resources to chase after that pittance. Nobody wants to have to make a separate trip just for the food stamp shopping, let alone struggle to figure out what is "allowed" only to get stopped at the register because items are rejected. People will buy worse food with cash which can purchase anything, or go to a food pantry.

If the government really wanted people to eat healthier foods, then it would subsidize things like spinach instead of sugarcane. Another good approach would be buying healthy foods in bulk to distribute through programs or food pantries. It's not that difficult; people just don't choose to do it.


Those on the ground in states that have already implemented these restrictions report confusion over what items are now prohibited.

Retailers want more clarity on how these restrictions will be enforced, while warning that the cost of compliance could increase food prices for all consumers.


No shit. So if you need to save money, look for stores that don't take food stamps and therefore don't have that extra burden to pass on.


Adam said he prefers to manage his ADHD with the help of the caffeine in sodas.

“So many people are going to argue, ‘Oh it’s so silly, it’s just soda,’” Beth Bedway said. “But it’s just this for now.”


If you want a look at how useless food stamps are likely to get, check the WIC program, which routinely limits not only the types of food but the sizes that may be obtained with it. Very popular is requiring people to buy larger sizes than they can use before the food spoils.


“Our governor’s at least made an appearance to want to jump on board a lot with [MAHA],” Starks said. “I think these changes are him trying to do that, when in reality all it does is restrict people’s ability to make their own choices.”

Exactly.


Upon the second error, the retailer could be involuntarily removed from the SNAP program, no longer able to offer the benefit to its customers.

“I think there’s some real concern that it’s going to lead to many, many retailers being pushed out of the program, even if they are trying their best to comply with the new requirements,” Mannion said.


You can tell it's abusive, because the government isn't even using its own society's magic number, which in Western cultures is usually 3, not 2.


>>The total up-front cost of the SNAP restrictions is projected to be $1 billion for convenience stores, $11.8 million for small-format stores and $215.5 million for supercenters, according to an analysis released by NACS, the National Grocers Association, and the Food Industry Association (FMI).<<

Well, that's a colossal waste of money just to hurt people.


“These SNAP restrictions are increasing food prices for everyone, and the high cost of healthy food is the No. 1 reason people on SNAP can’t eat healthier,” said Elzinga of the Des Moines Area Religious Council. “Banning items does not make healthy food more affordable.”

That last line really nails it. People don't buy much healthy food with food stamps because healthy food is expensive. They buy as many calories of filling food as they can cram into their budget.


One of the “greatest fears,” Elzinga said, is that SNAP retailers will drop out of the program and stop accepting EBT. This could be because the costs of compliance are too high or because they get a second strike and are removed from the program.

That's what I would expect. Which leads to lower participation in the program as people no longer have a place to spend their benefits.


In Iowa, one in three SNAP participants, more than 800,000 people, live in a border county. These shoppers could simply take their business to neighboring states that do not have SNAP restrictions. If all of those participants travelled out of state for their shopping, Iowa would lose about $23 million per month in economic activity, Elzinga said.

Then the state deserves to bleed money.


In addition, Republicans in Congress have fixated on alleged fraud in the program, threatening to require that states recertify SNAP households and release more data on participants.

That will also drive people away from the program.


In the midst of the USDA’s heightened focus on fraud, the agency took to social media to mobilize shoppers to help the agency “fight fraud.” “If you suspect someone is abusing federal nutrition programs, REPORT FRAUD NOW,” the post reads, paired with a photo of a full grocery cart. This rhetoric raises another concern with the overall changes to SNAP policy, which is the potential increased stigma around the program.

If your society considers a full grocery cart to be a sign of crime, there is something deeply wrong with that society.


“When program stigma is higher, it has a dampening effect on participation,” Elzinga said.

Which is the whole point.


Elzinga believes growing stigma around SNAP is already having an impact in Iowa. Food banks and pantries are continuously breaking records in terms of visits, he said, but SNAP enrollment is nearing an 18-year low. He worries the new restrictions will lead to fewer people participating in SNAP and more people turning to food pantries to feed their families.

That's exactly what I'd expect to see. But it's not just the stigma. It's the fact that you're going through a lot more hassle to get less useful benefits. Since poor people are always busy and tired, the dropoff threshold is often fairly close to where they already are. That means a small cut can cause a large dropoff in participation, because it is no longer justifiable for people to participate.


“It’s unsettling,” she said. “It makes me question what is the future for us in this state, what is the future for the SNAP program? At what point are we just going to be kicked off of any assistance without warning?”

Something the government should remember is that loyalty comes from stability and people being able to meet their needs. If you don't provide that, then they are much more likely to keep an eye out for someone else offering them a better deal. That is a security nightmare. It is a vulnerability that no amount of threats can close. Hungry people are dangerous people.
 

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Date: 2026-06-04 11:52 pm (UTC)
dewline: "Truth is still real" (anti-fascism)
From: [personal profile] dewline
I doubt that the current regime cares about such facts. The cruelty is still the point.

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Date: 2026-06-05 12:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erulisse
Not only is it punishing poor people and discouraging them to apply for benefits but it also adds an enormous amount of administrative burden all across the board - for residents, for states, and for retailers.

The work requirements for medicaid are going to do much the same. Between the two it absolutely WILL kill people - which is also part of the point.

The social scientist in me really wants to find out if there is some way to estimate the "excess mortality" (ie, people killed) specifically attributable to these policy changes. I really should look into the research on how the effects of the social determinants of health are quantified.

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Date: 2026-06-05 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] altamira16
Yeah! Blue states that want to sugar shame your soda have a sugar tax. They are not going to deprive you.

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Date: 2026-06-05 01:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ionelv
First thought: penny wise and pound foolish.
Second thought: does the article photo make anyone else think of Stepford Wives meet the Three Stooges?

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Date: 2026-06-05 06:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gwydion
My state didn't restrict EBT, but there was an extra supplementary card for elderly and disabled folks you could only use for "healthy" foods. But unlike SNAP/EBT you couldn't use it at farmer's markets or to buy seeds or food plant starts. It was incredibly arbitrary, and wouldn't tell you if something was covered or not, so you'd go to buy food and discover that while bread and burger buns are "healthy," bagels aren't. You couldn't combine with EBT, so you'd end up buying the randomly disallowed things out of pocket and sucks to be you if you didn't have cash.

Somehow a lot of things I'd class as "healthy" like corn tortillas weren't. I can't prove that white bread and buns being "healthy" but bagels and tortillas being classed "unhealthy" was racial bias, but I side eyed it every fucking time.

The question of who decides what is and isn't "healthy." is one I take very seriously, because I've seen how it works in practice.

Making people play a guessing game like that is cruel and helps no one. It's about Republicans punishing the poor and disabled. Fuck that. I'm an adult and I know what I can and can't eat better than some random person who's never met me.

They got rid of the "Healthy/Unhealthy" bullshit categorization for 2026, so I can have my bagels and tortillas in piece, but it was stressful using the benefit before and I remain angry about it.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2026-06-06 05:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gwydion
The thing is, because of strict restrictions on where I am allowed to use it, odds are I'd have been mostly using it for fruits, vegetables, those particular buns I like, bagels, yogurt, juice, tortillas, and cheese, things I am doing right now without the restrictions. (Also cereal if I catch one of there half price sales, which happens a few times a year).

Like, I would be buying mostly things they'd want me to buy, because the other option involves worse groceries for a lot of gas, but their decision to infantilize me and put what sure like arbitrary restrictions on there was so clearly bullshit moralizing designed to make everything harder and punish the sort of people who prefer only slightly greedflated bagels and tortillas to 10-11 dollar loaves of bread. They want to punish me for making a better financial decision about food that is nutritionally similar.

I used the program anyway, because I need the food, especially in winter when the garden isn't producing, but I'm still angry every time I use the card even though they mostly lifted restrictions 6 months ago.

I am sure that's the point. It's a giveaway to the less ethical chain groceries, since I can't use it at more ethical options like Winco, the Coop, the farmer's market, or the market garden a block from me. It has the added bonus of being cruel and inconvenient, which I'm sure was a pleasure for the people who wanted to make the difference between sliced bread and tortillas a moral choice.

And I'm in a state that has had unified Democratic government for literally decades. I can use my EBT anywhere else I'm likely to buy food as long as the food isn't hot and is to be eaten somewhere else.

I worry for people in places where cruelty is the fucking point instead of a misguided side bar on a program that mostly exists to try to get senior and disabled people things like pulse oximiters, blood pressure monitors, etc..

It just infuriates me.

I have long said that government officials from the president on down to the local officials should have the average quality of health care for the area they represent for the same percentage of their total income. (All of it, including investments, speaking fees etc.). I bet we'd have universal healthcare in the blink of an eye.

I think they should also have to live on the amount social security and EBT/SNAP pays out for the area they represent (the rest can be held in a savings account until they leave office). I bet those'd get raised to amounts people could actually live on if they had to survive in D.C. on 1000ish a month plus a 200ish food allowance.

It's so much fucking harder to moralize about the choices the poor make about food after year five of ramen for at least one meal every day.

It is so much harder to moralize about how 1000 a month for everything including housing is when you are sewing your underwear back together every week.

Edited Date: 2026-06-06 05:48 am (UTC)

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Date: 2026-06-05 03:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mama_kestrel
In Indiana, they not only specify what size a person has to buy, but what brand. I remember being behind a woman who had chosen Peter Pan peanut butter because that was what her kids liked. The checkout clerk told her only house brand or Jif were covered. I offered to pay cash for it, but was told that wasn't allowed. Huh? If she could pay cash, I could pay cash. The mom went and got the Jif, (which was theexqct same price; I went back and checked) blushing furiously. Ten people in line waited. When she'd gotten the approved jar, she finished and hurried out before I could say anything. I spoke to the store manager, who wasn't terribly clear on the rules. Then I went home and called my state senator and representative, along with several lawyers is relevant departments, and ranted. That was well over a decade ago; Indiana has been evil for a long time.

The Food programs are weird...

Date: 2026-06-05 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
(and the idea that processed "bad" food is cheaper than, say, rice, lentils, carrots..)

...but I must admit, the cruelty is very familiar.

Re: The Food programs are weird...

Date: 2026-06-05 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...Are those stamps tranferable? Like cash? Or are they personal like ration cards?

Re: The Food programs are weird...

Date: 2026-06-06 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Honestly crime sounds saner in comparison.

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Date: 2026-06-05 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sighs. working in the grocery field i get how agrivating it is and can offer a little clarity

For the poster wondering why you couldnt buy for someone else... most food chains dont allow you to buy food for others under the excuse it encourages panhandling.

I'm personally of the mindset that if theres no coersion and its not smokes/booze,pay for what you want how you want. I'm totally able to pointedly "forget" any "suggested" covering of bills b3tween people. As long as i dont see it (and the cameras dont see me seeing it) i let it fly.

Booze and smokes tho, i'm a hard ass. Not that i sincerely care, if youre an adult covering a not impared adult, morally speaking, go wild. I however, pragmatically, can not afford a 3k bill, loss of job, and prison time if its a sting. Or if buyer joebob does something dumbass that lands others maimed or dead. Then thats shared culpability, legally and morally... and yeah. No thanks.


Presently the bar for decency has sunk even lower. Now, the state i live in triggers an alarm when 2 diff payment methods are used in tadem. A disability/hmo/assistance card will trip the screens and lock things if cash hits the system to cover a taboo item that the assistance card doesnt allow. It will also snag with ebt, gift, and other forums of payment.

So you got added humiliation tabbed onto this mess of playing governemtn themed food whodunit.

I've inquired if this was deliberate, and i've been told thro upper official channels its a glitch (for 3 months running and uncountable number of complaints, i doubt it).

My present plan is to warn all card weilders that if you have any gift cards to cover food costs (how they fob these things off on the uneducated) you really need to sift throigh things on the belt in 2 catagories.

Things you think will work, and things you know wont. I keep a running mental tally of wjats covered and what isnt.

It changes on a certian day of the week and i ususally pick early enough shifts on that day i can at least run staples through the simulation mode to flush out if wheat or certian meats are okay this week, ect.

Then i go through pile one in bursts and have the cust check w thier card at intervuks.

Its plodding but keeps the money going where they want it. Alowing priorities to hit for examlpe what mests vegis fruit they want most.

If they refuse full cavet empar kicks in, and as present systems stand when sometging goes wrong i cant trace it, much less fix it. And if the system senses a no go item theres about a 70% chance when you move to pay for it w another payment method, system crash + need to redo everything.

I've memoriesed a friendlyer version of this spesch in the 2
Main local languages... and its beyond exasperating for us (aswell as vocationally risky we are timed after all). And deadly Unfair to those in need.

Re: Yes ...

Date: 2026-06-06 01:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If it isnt deliberate its incompetence on a level that breaks my brain.

On spiteful days i assume its incompetent malice.

Its been a disaster, candidly.

right now people are desperate enough to at least use it to get thier staples.

But the thing is we are all losong buisness (speaking as a rwtail worker w ear to the ground with other big box food suppliers in the area) and if pwople dont use the cards the franchises dont get the fiscal credit... so its bitong into comercial bottom line too.

The things designed to screw everyone over.

That feels pure malic andnits so stupid on a struxtural scale since (for me at least) over 50% of the population here uses the things/an equivulant/is poor and the fastest way to distabalize order is to starve people.

Its lije some insane reverse enjineering of society by running a fake food ponzi scheme or somethinf... with real glitchy bad tech as an added insult.

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