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Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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ISTAT 31 giugno 2016

Ciao! @Bargioni: mi ha appena segnalato di aver scoperto un brutto errore, inserito addirittura nel 2017 via QuickStatements da un utente ora poco attivo, @Marat-avgust:: la popolazione dei comuni italiani secondo ISTAT aggiornata al 31 giugno 2016 (anziché 30); esempio. Risultano, ad ora, 134 casi da correggere; WDQS normalizza 31 giugno in 30 giugno, ma il dato inserito è 31 giugno e altre applicazioni non lo riconoscono e danno errore. La correzione è facile manualmente, ma i casi sono tanti, e non è possibile usare QS altrimenti si perde il riferimento. Potresti far passare il tuo bot? Grazie mille, --Epìdosis 21:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@Epìdosis:  Done --Horcrux (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Countries

Hi, This subject has been discussed before. Your wrote "Italy didn't exist at that time", the whole concept of a "country" did not exist at that time either. The property country (P17) is used for the location of the subject where it is nowadays. If you pin a stick in the ground in the center of the subject, in which country you are then located. If you want to indicate an historical area, please use historical region (P6885). Romaine (talk) 03:27, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Annullamento di una ventina di modifiche

Ciao, @Horcrux, ho notato che mi hai appena annullato diverse modifiche a vari elementi di Wikidata... posso sapere il motivo? Buona giornata. LucaLindholm (talk) 12:07, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

@LucaLindholm: Ciao! Credevo di essere stato chiaro nell'oggetto di modifica. Il problema è che in quelle modifiche hai inserito delle etichette e alias in inglese nei campi multilingua. Vedi WD:MUL su quando e come usare questi campi. --Horcrux (talk) 15:00, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

@Horcrux, sì, poi ho un po' intuito quale fosse il motivo. Volevo solo sapere se ci fosse qualcos'altro. Grazie comunque. :) LucaLindholm (talk) 20:01, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Aggiunta massiva categorie

Ciao! Stavo pensando alla seguente casistica: l'aggiunta massiva di categorie in varie edizioni di Wikipedia sulla base di dichiarazioni presenti in Wikidata; ad esempio, per i membri dell'Accademia delle Scienze di Torino, sarebbe da aggiungere la categoria in:

• 15 voci di it.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696210
• 842 voci di de.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696245
• 330 voci di es.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696269
• 1117 voci di fr.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696254
• 26 voci di mk.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696331
• 25 voci di mn.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696347
• 873 voci di ru.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696296
• 474 voci di uk.WP: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=41696312

Purtroppo PetScan non consente di modificare massivamente le voci di Wikipedia ad esempio per aggiungere categorie; quindi secondo te quale sarebbe il modo più veloce per fare queste aggiunte massive? Grazie mille in anticipo e buone feste, --Epìdosis 17:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: Ciao! Credo che mw:Manual:Pywikibot/category.py faccia al caso tuo. Basta copincollare i link di Petscan in una sandbox (es.) e poi darla in pasto allo script assieme alla categoria che vuoi aggiungere (risultato). Nota che la pagina it:Azzo Azzi è stata saltata in quanto redirect.

Una possibile alternativa è usare it:WP:AWB p it:WP:JWB, con cui puoi automatizzare regole del tipo "trova e sostituisci". Il primo è un software che puoi installare sul PC, il secondo puoi usarlo dal browser, dopo averlo abilitato sulla wiki locale o su meta (ad es. così).

Io di solito uso AWB. JWB l'ho appena testato su de.wiki, con le seguenti impostazioni:

Sostituisci: ([\w\W]+?(?:(?:\s*\[\[[Kk]ategorie:[^\[\]]*\]\])+|$))([\w\W]*) (sicuramente esistono espressioni regolari migliori)

Con: $1\n[[Kategorie:Mitglied der Accademia delle Scienze di Torino]]$2

e questo è il risultato.

Mi sembra che JWB non permetta modifiche totalmente automatiche, quindi se usi un bot ti convengono AWB o PWB.

Spero di esserti stato utile. Buone feste! --Horcrux (talk) 14:00, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

Grazie mille! Stavo proprio valutando l'opzione JWB ma ero un po' incerto su quale sostituzione usare, la tua espressione regolare mi pare ottima. Penso procederò così, se avrò problemi (spero di no) ti farò sapere. A presto! Epìdosis 14:05, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026

Hello! I noticed you're a bot operator, so I thought you might be interested in a hackathon we're organizing: the Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026, on 13–14 March in Arnhem, Netherlands.

It's a two-day, technically oriented hackathon bringing together Wikimedians from the region. Whether you want to work on bot frameworks, tools, or other technical projects, this could be a great opportunity to collaborate with fellow developers. Registration closes mid-January or when full. Let me know if there are any questions. Hope to see you there! Daanvr (talk) 23:18, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

Fixing Noren

Thank you for fixing the page! I didn’t make any edits myself — I only performed a page move on the Chinese Wikipedia. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused, and I appreciate your help. Mcyjerry (talk) 09:09, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

@Mcyjerry: No problem! Best, --Horcrux (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Disambiguation page and family name

One element should not be both at the same time. Please create a new element in Wikidata if needed.? Bob08 (talk) 16:10, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

@Bob08: Sorry, I actually created separate items but added the P31 statement to the wrong ones via QuickStatements. Thanks for having noticed that, I'll fix it ASAP. --Horcrux (talk) 17:56, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

Many thanks. Bob08 (talk) 17:58, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

@Bob08:  Done, you had already spotted all the problematic items but two. Now everything should have been fixed! Bye, --Horcrux (talk) 14:35, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Choral Synagogue (Q110877477)

Why did you change the Choral Synagogue element, if all those pages in the Wiki in different languages ​​have a description of the meaning (term) of the concept Choral Synagogue, and lists of choral synagogues? Did you open and read the articles? MiriamRei (talk) 18:17, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

@MiriamRei:

• Q110877477 is the concept "choral synagogue";
• pages in Q138039749 are technically categorized (and titled) as lists;
• pages in Q4499857 are disambiguation pages (not to be confused with lists).

--Horcrux (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Terms + some list

ru Хоральная синагога (Q110877477)

uk Хоральна синагога (Q110877477)

en List of choral synagogues (Q138039749)

de Choral-Synagoge (Q1076310)

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Lists

he בית כנסת הכוראלי (Q4499857)

it Sinagoga corale (Q4499857)

pl Synagoga Chóralna (Q4499857)

en Choral Synagogue (???)

zh 合唱猶太會堂 (???)

de Liste von Choral-Synagogen (Q138039749) MiriamRei (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

@MiriamRei: I didn't know about the item Q1076310, I've just merged it with Q110877477. For the rest, you are still confusing lists and disambiguation pages. --Horcrux (talk) 18:42, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

I see, not all lists, okay, but this

ru Хоральная синагога (Q110877477)

uk Хоральна синагога (Q110877477)

en List of choral synagogues (Q138039749)

the same almost word to word in the wiki not wikidata MiriamRei (talk) 18:43, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

@MiriamRei: The point is that both ru and uk articles are not explicitly list articles. See for instance:

• ru:Список крупнейших компаний Украины / uk:Список найбагатших компаній України;
• ru:Список послов России и СССР в Германии / uk:Список російських послів у Німеччині;
• ru:Список экзопланет, открытых по периодическим пульсациям / uk:Список екзопланет, відкритих за періодичними пульсаціями.

However, I am not an expert of ru.wiki and uk.wiki. If you think such articles can be considered lists, feel free to move them to list of choral synagogues (Q138039749). --Horcrux (talk) 18:58, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Negrescu (Q56243837)

Pease do not put surname pages into disambiguation wikidata. Altenmann (talk) 15:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

@Altenmann: Please check articles' content before moving sitelinks. --Horcrux (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

I work in WIkipedia and I know what I am doing, For example

w:de:Negrescu says

Negrescu ist der Familienname folgender Personen: [Negrescu is the surname of the following people:]

Alexandru Negrescu, rumänischer Fußballspieler Victor Negrescu (* 1985), rumänischer Politiker

It is not a big deal, but you are disrupting linkage of Negrescu with Category:Negrescu (surname). Altenmann (talk) 15:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

@Altenmann: w:de:Negrescu ss a disambiguation page and categorized as such. Same for it.wiki articles, pl.wiki, nds.wiki, etc. --Horcrux (talk) 15:44, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

These are surname pages and your wikidata design is a disruptor, not a helper. It is supposed to help readers to connect data, not to disconnect it. I will no longer argue with formalists and resolve the issue in Wikipedia, bypassing the inept design of wikidata. Altenmann (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Varianti come alias

Ciao, Grazie per aver creato l’elemento “Slavčeva‬”, mi ero dimenticato di crearlo. Ho però un dubbio per quanto riguarda l’utilizzo degli alias : le varianti che non contengono caratteri speciali difficilmente accessibili da una tastiera QWERTY, su itwiki sono redirect. Quindi mi chiedevo, come per le traslitterazioni alternative, sia utile inserire le varianti senza caratteri speciali qui su Wikidata come alias. Àncilu (talk) 07:34, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

@Àncilu: Mentre su Wikipedia è possibile arrivare a it:Slavčeva‬ anche scrivendo "Slavceva" nell'URL (il che motiva l'esistenza del redirect), su Wikidata per arrivare a Q139577922 sei in qualche modo obbligato a usare la ricerca, che fortunatamente riconosce anche i caratteri senza diacritici. Io quindi eviterei di riempire questi elementi di alias, poi non so se esistono delle linee guida specifiche in merito. --Horcrux (talk) 08:18, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Bonnici

Hello Horcrux,

thanks for the revert — I’d like to clarify the situation.

There are currently two separate Wikidata items:

• Q37276484 → instance of: family name www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q37276484
• Q892811 → instance of: Wikimedia disambiguation page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q892811

The issue is that the sitelinks across languages (en, fr, it, etc.) all point to pages that are essentially lists of people with the surname “Bonnici”, i.e. surname pages rather than true disambiguation pages with multiple unrelated meanings.

The separation into two items seems to be driven by how some Wikipedias structurally classify these pages (as disambiguation), rather than by an actual difference in concept.

So we currently have two items representing what is effectively the same topic (a surname and its bearers), just modeled differently depending on local wiki conventions.

Do you think it would be better to: keep the strict distinction between “family name” and “disambiguation page” (current setup), or align the sitelinks under the surname item, given that all pages are functionally surname lists?

Best regards WissensDürster (talk) 11:55, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

@WissensDürster: Hi! I'm personally not sure that it would be better, but the current guidelines recommend keeping them separate. Please notice that from the Wikipedia side it would not be so hard to write a template or Lua module that automatically adds local sitelinks whenever it finds a different from (P1889) statement with qualifier criterion used (P1013)family name has to use a different item than disambiguation page (Q27924673). Also, notice that sometimes the same linguistic edition has both the disambiguation page and a page about the name, so a general rule should also account for this fact. You might look for other opinions at Talk:Q27924673. Cheers, --Horcrux (talk) 12:04, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Hello Horcrux,

thanks for your explanation — that makes sense, and I do understand the general principle of keeping “family name” and “disambiguation page” as separate concepts in Wikidata.

For example, cases like:

• Q1921787 (Merkel – family name) and
• Q237293 (Merkel – disambiguation page)

are clearly justified, since there are genuinely different types of pages.

My question is more about this specific case: for “Bonnici”, all linked Wikipedia pages (across languages) are essentially just **lists of people with that surname**, and there are no distinct, unrelated meanings that would require a true disambiguation concept.

So even though some projects classify their page structurally as a disambiguation page, the underlying concept seems to remain the same (surname + bearers).

That’s why I was wondering: would it be acceptable in such a case to manually move all sitelinks to the family name item, or is the separation still preferred strictly based on page type, regardless of content?

Best regards --WissensDürster (talk) 12:10, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

@WissensDürster: I understand your point. My interpretation of the current guidelines is that, even in this case, they should be kept separate. My personal opinion is that merging the sitelinks in this case could make maintenance more complicated, both in general and especially if these pages evolve differently in the future. --Horcrux (talk) 12:17, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Hello Horcrux,

yes, that makes sense — I see your point regarding maintenance and why keeping the items separate is safer in general.

I think I’ve now found a possible way to address the issue at the source instead: I’ve edited the Italian Wikipedia page (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnici) so that it is no longer a disambiguation page, but a proper surname article.

If that change is accepted, this would resolve the mismatch in this specific case, and the page could then be linked to the family name item → Q37276484

In that sense, each language version could decide independently whether the page is actually a disambiguation page or a surname article, and model it accordingly.

That was my main concern here: that the current pages are in practice just surname lists, even if some are structurally classified as disambiguation pages.

Best regards --WissensDürster (talk) 12:23, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

@WissensDürster: Not every last name may have its own article on it.wiki, please check it:Progetto:Antroponimi#Voci sui cognomi. --Horcrux (talk) 12:56, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Rimozione link a Luoghi della Cultura del MiC

Ciao, perché hai rimosso questo identificativo? Il link funziona e la fonte è autorevole, non capisco. Una tantum (talk) 08:09, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

@Una tantum: Ciao! Stavo rollbackando i vandalismi di un LTA e questo identificativo è uscito fuori come falso positivo in quanto non conforme al formato standard. Ho ripristinato e aggiunto un'eccezione al vincolo nella rispettiva proprietà. --Horcrux (talk) 08:15, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Grazie mille! Buon wiki, Una tantum (talk) 10:15, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

Rollbacker?

Hi, would you like to have rollbacker rights? I think it could be useful for your anti-vandalism work :) Samoasambia ✎ 17:27, 18 July 2026 (UTC)

@Samoasambia: Hi! Thank you but I don't think the rollback button would help me that much. To protect against this LTA I would need admin rights instead, but honestly, knowing myself, I would then risk spending more time and effort than I can afford. --Horcrux (talk) 19:05, 18 July 2026 (UTC)