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I feel like I'm going insane "stop watching the toxic vampires show if you can't deal with toxicity" TOXICITY CAN BE WRITTEN BADLY!!! EVIL CAN BE WRITTEN WITHOUT CARE OR CONSIDERATION OF THEME!!!!! IT IS PLAINLY OBVIOUS THAT THE CRITICISM HAS NOT BEEN OF THE TOXICITY BUT OF HOW THE TOXICITY IS WRITTEN INTO THIS NARRATIVE BY THESE WRITERS WITH THESE CHARACTERS PLAYED BY THESE ACTORS!!!! TOXICITY DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY EQUAL COMPLEXITY!!!!!! TAKE YOUR OWN CRITICISM AND ACTUALLY INVEST TIME AND EFFORT IN DOING ACTUAL LITERARY ANALYSIS!!!
I'm really glad you put this into words? I've been thinking this about some of my other toxic yaoi ships lately.
The thing that differentiates a well written taboo element from an ill written one for me personally is a level of honestly. Where there is no pretense within the narrative (not within the characters lmao) about the weight of the actions. And you can gloss over the actions within proportion to the genre its a delicate balance between getting it right and seeming out of touch, its subjective but I think most people are able to agree on when things and tropes are rolled together to be "dark" or "shocking" and when things are put in a story with a clear purpose. Haven't seen the iwtv show so can't be the judge of that but op's criticism definitely applies to a lot of other media.
For example when there's non-con elements in any ship toxic/dark or not its stops being a ship and lowkey starts being horror or like sleazy. Like I can no longer even suspend my disbelief to defend/rationalize/enjoy the same. For smut maybe I can stomach nc elements but how am K supposed to root for a romance lead like that? Idk im rambling
Y'all. Y'all. I saw this on instagram and I almost died.
Y'all! Y'ALL!
YOU CAN LIKE RED FLAG CHARACTERS. You can enjoy them and love them and feel bad for them and cry for them and STILL KNOW THEY'RE A RED FLAG.
It's allowed!
You don't have to change them into a green flag to like and support them!
Big Jane sexually assaulted Little Jane! HE IS NOT A GREEN FLAG AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE MAKES HIS LITTLE DEALS. Little Jane is not a red flag for any of his actions in the show! He is allowed to be an imperfect victim and not be blamed for what happens!
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So yeah.
Please, like the red flag characters! Love the black flags! Enjoy them! But don't try to make them green flags just because you like them!
DON'T BE TOO EMOTIONAL | EP 6
I felt like I was one of the very few people who got to see that side of you. The side where you weren't some superhero, or a demon that people rumored you to be. Do you like seeing me like that? Just having ordinary days together, having times where we can laugh. But I also know, that you don't want that kind of life. So I realized... maybe we're just too different.
obsessed with Phob's visceral need to always bait Prince Vasin to remind him that he fucked his son a decade ago and can still try again
my rage bait King still in fine form
phobthee ragebaiter of the century, the king is like WhY aRe YOU hErE???
And this dude without missing a beat goes, FOR GAY REASONS, BECAUSE IM GAY, GAY WITH YOUR SON, WE'LL SCISSOR NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, TOMORROW HE WILL IMPREGNATE ME THANK YOU VERY MUCH
and then the sparkly twink has to step in to do damage control and be like PAPERWORK, DADDY, HE'S HERE FOR PAPERWORK.
The whole time he was just there to spy on the monarchy.
Your Highness, from now on, I will stop my son from being around you. It is entirely my son's fault that caused all this mess. He was ungrateful to your family. Instead he tried to ruin your reputation. It's not his fault. Not true, it is his fault. He dragged the sky to stoop to his level. THE EDGE OF HORIZON - EP 5 // EP 2
That's why I can't make it look like I have ulterior motives. I have to let things happen naturally.
Hu Yichen and Huang Qixiu in A WINTER SUN WAKES THE WIND IN SPRING HILL'S DREAM (2026)