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Is a Jewish Necromancer using soul energy taboo?

WWC Follower Asks:

My character is Ashkenazi Jewish and living in modern America (raised in New York, moved to the Pacific North West). He has magical talent, which presents itself in auto writing (speaking with spirits using himself as a conduit), and necromancy/death magic. I understand the Torah forbids it, and the Talmud acknowledges its existence, and read a previous answer you did regarding it. I intended to add this aspect to my character because prior to writing this magical talent, as the plot unfolded while I wrote, the character was already established as Jewish and I did not wish to erase that from him. His personal arc/story itself has a strong point of residual hauntings and healing from the past, which was how the mediumship came to exist.

At this point, I am writing it as he is learning his talent, and he intends to do as little harm to the dead as possible (he will not be reanimating people). In addition, necromancy can also work in this world as a form of animancy (using the soul) to do magic. My character is against taking that energy from others (as is it is common for necromancers to take the energy of the deceased by force), and instead will tap into himself, or utilize it if it is willingly donated by another person.

It possible to make this work?

Are there any severe taboos involved with the idea of using soul/life energy to fuel magic that I have missed in my research? What’s your personal threshold for this idea?

One very culturally Jewish way to handle it would be if he has to bulk up and eat a lot of nourishing Bubbe (“eat eat!!”) style meals when he’s gonna talk to the spirits or sheydim or whatever bc he’s using his own life essence to fuel the connection like “if i want to do this i need to eat 2 helpings of brisket first”.

That leans heavily into emphasizing that he is drawing on his own energy, maybe he has to eat enough food for himself and the dead person too, and not sapping the strength of another (an antisemitic trope)

-Shira

I absolutely LOVE the idea of him eating for the dead person, and I think it’s Jewish by vibes even if not drawing on something specific from text (that I know of). I definitely would be wary of any magic where the other souls are diminished by working with him even if he doesn’t do it intentionally, but it sounds like you’re already on that.

I wonder also if he might take upon himself the responsibility to recite Kaddish for the deceased people he works with, to make up for disturbing them–especially if rather than recite the prayer on his own, he attends a synagogue service or gathers a minyan (prayer quorum of 10 adult Jews) to recite the prayer “Correctly,” since, some very sweet Tumblr lore aside, Kaddish is one of those prayers not traditionally recited without a minyan.

-Meir

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Depicting Real World Religions Alongside Constructed Religions

Maya asked:

Hi WWC! Thank you so much for this blog, it’s an infinitely wonderful resource!

Do you have any suggestions for how I can balance representation of real religions with fantasy religions, or should I avoid including these together? Does the fact that certain things bleed over from our world into the fantasy world help legitimize the appearance of real world religions?

I feel like I can come up with respectful ways to integrate representation in ways that make sense for the worldbuilding. For instance, no Muslim characters would practice magic, and both Jewish and Muslim characters would conceive of magic in ways that fit their religion (rather than trying to adapt real religions to fit my worldbuilding).

I also have some ideas for how these religions came about that fit between handwave and analogous history (though I realize the Qur'an is unchangeable, so I’m guessing Islam would have come about in the same way as IRL). BTW—I’m referring to humans, not other species coded as Muslim or Jewish. I may explore the concept of jinns more (particularly as how Muslims perceive fantastical beings), but I definitely need to do a lot more research before I go down that road!

Finally, I saw a post somewhere (*but* it might have been someone else’s commentary) suggesting to integrate certain aspects of Judaism (e.g., skullcaps in sacred places/while praying, counting days from sundown instead of sunset) into fantasy religions (monotheistic ones, of course) to normalize these customs, but as a non-Jewish person I feel this could easily  veer into appropriation-territory. 

*One of the posts that I’m referring to in case you need a better reference of *my* reference: defining coding and islam-coded-fantasy

[This long ask was redacted to pull out the core questions asked]

“Both Jewish and Muslim characters would conceive of magic in ways that fit their religion (rather than trying to adapt real religions to fit my worldbuilding).”

Just a note that while having religion be part of magic is a legitimate way to write fantasy, I want to remind people that religious characters can also perform secular magic. Sometimes I feel like people forget about that particular worldbuilding option. (I feel this one personally because in my own books I chose to make magic secular so that my nonmagical heroine wouldn’t seem less close to God somehow than her wizard adoptive dad, who is an objectively shadier person.) I’m not saying either way is more or less correct or appropriate, just that they’re both options and I think sometimes people forget about the one I chose. But anyway moving on—

Your decision to make the water spirits not actual deities is a respectful decision given the various IRL monotheistic religions in your story, so, thank you for that choice. I can see why it gets messy though, since some people in-universe treat those powers as divine. I guess as long as your fantasy Jews aren’t being depicted as backwards and wrong and ignoring in-universe reality in favor of in-universe incorrect beliefs, then you’re fine…

I saw a post somewhere (but it might have been someone else’s commentary) suggesting to integrate certain aspects of Judaism (e.g., skullcaps in sacred places/while praying, counting days from sundown instead of sunset) into fantasy religions (monotheistic ones, of course) to normalize these customs, but as a non-Jewish person I feel this could easily veer into appropriation-territory.

That was probably us, as Meir and I both feel that way. What would make it appropriative is if these very Jewish IRL markers were used to represent something other than Judaism. It’s not appropriative to show Jewish or Jewish-coded characters wearing yarmulkes or marking one day a week for a special evening with two candles or anything else we do if it’s connected to Jewishness! To disconnect the markers of us from us is where appropriation starts to seep in.

–Shira

To bounce off what Shira said above, the source of the magic can be religious or secular–or put another way, it can be explicitly granted be a deity or through engagement with a specific religious practice, or it can be something that can be accessed with or without engaging with a certain set of beliefs or practices. It sounds like you’re proposing the second one: the magic is there for anyone to use, but the people in this specific religion engage with it through a framework of specific ideas and practices.

If you can transform into a “spirit” by engaging with this religion, and I can transform into a “spirit” through an analogous practice through the framework of Kabbalah, for example, and an atheist can transform through a course of secular technical study, then what makes yours a religion is the belief on your part that engaging in the process in your specific way, or choosing to engage in that process over other lifestyle choices, is in some way a spiritual good, not the mechanics of the transformation. If, on the other hand, humans can only access this transformative magic through the grace of the deities that religion worships, while practitioners of other religions lack the relationship with the only gods empowered to make that magic, that’s when I’d say you had crossed into doing more harm than good by seeking to include real-world religions.

Including a link below to a post you might have already seen that included the “religion in fantasy worldbuilding alignment chart.” It sounds like you’re in the center square, which is a fine place to be. The center top and bottom squares are where I typically have warned to leave real-world religions out of it.

More reading:

Jewish characters in a universe with author-created fictional pantheons

–Meir

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Fantasy Race Character Coded Asian with Light Eyes (+ PSA)

creatingstories asked:

I’m writing a fantasy book and one of the main characters is an half Japanese-coded character. But he is also a half elf too so he has some magical characteristic, like clear eyes, but just because elf has some specific characteristic ( to be clear elves are not coded to any existing ethnicity, they have just specific fantasy characteristic ).

I do not want it to seem offensive. In particular I read the article about the “green-eyes Asian” and the “colored hair asian”. I do not want to give him particular features to make them stand out to readers so that they’re marked as ‘special’ and not like the ‘other East Asians, as you said in the article. He is a major character and has an extremely complex arc.

Submission has been abridged for clarity.

Still green eyes in my book unless you can tell us how the clear eyes relates to magical characteristics and the magic systems of the story. It’s changing eye color for an Japanese-coded character to demarcate their uniqueness in some way. OP can either give up on Japanese coding, provide us with further info, or just give the character regular colored eyes that turn clear when using magic abilities to more explicitly link the magical ability to the ~ Special ~ eye coloring.

- Marika.

Announcement: Please consider this the final Ask on East Asian characters with light/green/blue/etc. eyes, as Marika has presented a clear workaround for this trope in the case of fantasy worldbuilding.

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fuzzybb-blog1 asked:

I have a character who's a witch and an empath. she's half Irish and half Romani. the Romani side of her family actually isn't mystical at all, her Irish side of the family is involved with magic. Is there a way I can write her as half Romani and as a witch without it being harmful? my intentions started out as being for the aesthetic but now I'd like to write genuinely good representation for Romani people

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In my opinion, this still falls under a stereotype, even if your character’s magical ability is from the Irish side. There are far too many magical Romani characters around, no matter the reason for said magic. 

This is not to say that there are not any Romani people who practice witchcraft, as there are quite a few, but this usually has nothing to do with them being Romani. Our traditional practices have often been conflated with the western notion of witchcraft - and this has been harmful - so it’s important to avoid this stereotype in writing Romani characters.

-Mod Tess

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zephyrus-things-deactivated2026 asked:

Hello i have a question regarding a fantasy wip. The magic system i made says that everyone has a magical essence in them and if they practise hard they can harness it to become powerful and perform all kinds of magic. The elves in my wip live in a society strongly inspired by the ones seen in xianxia and wuxia novels. I have been debating having the elves actually use the words qi and cultivation and all the terminology that comes with it. Because for me problem lies in that although the magic flow in each person works similar to qi it has a different origin (i made my own deities as well and its related to them) furthermore iw ould have to think of what other people not living in their society would call it. For example, i have a human society inspired by the mughal empire. I feel like having them refer to magic as qi feels very weird but i also think finding their real world equivalent of it (if that even exists in hinduism, sikhism i’m still in the early parts of worldbuilding so i dont know). Do you think i should just not mention qi at all and have them all use original terminology eventhough people might notice the similarities or should i try to find fitting equivalent?

 Fantasy magic system similar to QI

Sikhs don’t practice magic and Sikh mysticism is somewhat closed.

Additionally, if the elves’ society is based on aspects of Sikhi, they would likely be oppressed under the Mughal inspired society - as Sikhs were oppressed by the Mughal Empire, particularly in the 1500’s - 1700’s, this is something to be handled carefully if the elves are inspired or somehow based in Sikhi.

- SK

Are the gods the same across the cultures? If so, I would definitely delve into the very different societies that emerged while still worshiping them. Take a current example: The Mahayana Buddhism that is practiced in India has distinctions from the Mahayana-based Zen Buddhism that is practiced in Japan, Thien Buddhism, which is practiced in Vietnam, which all have distinct differences from Theravada Buddhism and Vajrayana Buddhism. Each culture may have different names for the gods, for terms of religious practice, for any holy texts, etc.

Hinduism is not the only polytheistic religion in existence–rather, it is culturally polytheistic, with various schools of thought on pantheism, monism, monotheism, and atheism as well. I wouldn’t relate the designed deities specifically to Hinduism, especially if these gods take a direct influence from across spheres of influence. I would take the coding route, and either ensure the inspiration is clear and properly researched and implemented, or focus on looser connections. Many fantasy authors will use a pantheon of their own creation with influences from existing traditions, but differentiate them by declaring the magic concepts and how they affect the makeup of the world. This has its own drawbacks, but less than if you choose to design deities for a religion you’re unfamiliar with. 

How closely does this actually relate to xianxia and wuxia? This needs some more research into the cultures that these works are influenced by. If the concept works the same way mechanically, and is only differentiated by virtue of the origin from the created pantheon, then why the emphasis on the difference? I would introduce some differences into the magic system to make it clear that the concepts of qi and cultivation are inspirations, and come up with a different vocabulary that could then be related back to the pantheon that bestowed the magic upon the characters.

~ Abhaya

There are ways to plausibly create a story linking a magical concept inspired by qi to a South Asian setting. It requires a lot of historical research: think college student senior thesis level. 

How? The Silk Road and Buddhism

I’ll be discussing qi and analogous concepts, particularly their relationship with martial arts in the context of Asian history. Qi, particularly its application to traditional Eastern medicine and martial arts, draws a lot of influence from the synergy of Mahayana Buddhist principles and Chinese Daoism. In South Asia, the Sanskrit concept of prana similarly lends itself well to Ayurvedic medicine and South Asian martial arts. It’s a little obvious if one thinks about it in the context of the dominance of numerous Hindu traditions in the subcontinent for the majority of the region’s history. If you have stratified class systems tied to religious dogma (Caste) and you designate people as warriors (Kshatriya), they likely are learning martial art skills in a codified form (See the Charanavyuha).  Similarly, you will also have individuals with lower social status/ from marginalized regions who will develop their own form of martial arts to counter oppression and invasion (See Shastra Vidya and Kalari, respectively). 

In terms of well known Indian martial arts in the present, we’re mostly talking about Shastra Vidya, developed by the Sikhs in the 16th century CE and Kalari, from Kerala (11th century CE). Though Shastra Vidya is distinct to Sikhi, the preceding styles and influences for Shastra Vidya have been traced as far back as the 16th century BCE.

To what degree one credits South Asia with influencing Chinese martial arts depends on who you ask, their level of nationalism and which country they are from, but it is indisputable that Chinese and South Asian martial are linked via Buddhist influences that facilitated cultural exchange across South Asia, South East Asia, and East Asia for an 800 year period. Has anyone ever wondered why mudras (hand movements) used in classical Indian dance, Vajrayana Buddhism and Shaolin all look…pretty similar? (Northern Shaolin + Bharata Natyam here, and yes, I did). Buddhism, like Jainism and Sikhi, is as much a product of Hindu influences as it is its own religion. 

It spans over a millennium, but Buddhism is your link between Hinduism on one end, Mughals at the other, and Chinese martial arts somewhere in between. I’ll add the Mughals were a bloodthirsty lot, but they were also enthusiastic patrons of local culture, including martial arts. After all, it never hurts to have a group of highly trained warriors on your payroll. I might personally favor pulling more explicitly on the cosmopolitan aspects of Mughal governance for your Mughal coding, perhaps comparing their tactics with the Mongols for reference. There’s a world of difference between Kublai Khan or Akbar compared to Aurangzeb or Genghis Khan. I’ve outlined the broad strokes below in greater detail, but how you use this historical background effectively for your world-building, how you research, what reference books you choose and the care with which you select them: that’s all on you. You will need to use reputable scholarly resources in order to avoid the majority of New Age Appropriative Garbage that seems to jump out of google whenever one uses terms like qi or prana (See Disney’s Mulan remake and the cottage industry of alternative spiritual healers in the US). 

Over the years, I’ve noticed many Asian martial artists recognize the underlying philosophical concepts that different traditions share even if we are unaware of the history behind it all. Whether one calls it ki, qi, prana, whether we refer to the body’s energy centers as chakras, cakra, chakka or rin, many practitioners are drawing on shared complex histories, etiologies and pedagogies, albeit in ways that manifest specifically for each slice of place and time, shaped by a history of conflict and religion. 

I personally think a smart move on your part is not to ignore this shared history. Cultural diffusion doesn’t mean that everyone ends up with the same thing. Rather it means that the dimensions of a successful imported practice or concept take on characteristics shaped by unique, local cultural and political forces. With regards to terminology, see Mod Rina’s conlang guide for how to avoid using terms that outsiders often interpret like qi. You aren’t setting this story in the real world, so why use real cultural terms? 

To that end, I recommend the text show characters from different places, different ethnic groups, even different species all participating in a system that is shared, with differing terminology, applications and varying levels of mastery between individuals due to multiple aspects of life, rather than just how hard someone practices. Maybe humans have less access to your magic system because their lifestyle is distanced from the internal state that allows one to access their potential? Maybe the same can be true for elves that have strayed from these principles? I think you can do many fun things if you really treat your magic system like martial arts, where many of the limits are internal, rather than external. 

- Marika.

For the full story that Marika spent too much time on, see below the cut.

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@the-lighthouse-lit asked:

Indian Hindu Raven character

Hello! So my thing is only a fanfic but it’s my baby and I want to make sure it’s well done. The fic is a Teen Titans High School AU and I wanted to make the character Raven, who was always coded as Hindu (especially in the 80’s), actually Indian and Hindu (specifically half-Indian, but raised entirely by her mom, who’s 2nd gen Tamil, Shaivite—this is because Raven’s dad is canonically the Devil so I’m just gonna make him white).

First off, the story’s magic realism, and though it’s a High School AU, Raven’s still magic. I’ve been wondering if it’s alright that, alongside her being a practicing Hindu and me showing her praying, meditating and celebrating holidays, she also practiced more mainstream Pagan occultism, specifically tarot and stone divination. I wrote it this way because it seems natural to me that, as an Indian American who’s into magic, she’d pick up things around her that seem interesting even if it’s outside her tradition, the way I did growing up (I’m a white Catholic Latina). To be clear: all magic works for her no matter the origin, if that changes anything. Plus, as a superhero story, this world is a Fantasy Kitchen Sink: there’s aliens and fairies and demons and time travel.

Second question: one time they have to face a spirit who’s possessing a person and stealing the souls of kids, trapping them in a middle plane invisible to the material world. Raven’s in charge of magic so she’s at the forefront of this mission. The solution (and I’m being vague here as this is a spoiler, but if you want details I’ll provide them) involves astral travel, and I do have a good reference of that in the Yoga Vasistha, but I’m stuck on the other part rest of it. Originally I wanted them (Raven and her mom) to follow a ritual out of the Atharva Veda to essentially exorcise the spirit; but now I’ve researched more about what it takes to correctly utilize the Vedas, I’m not sure if I can imbue her with the authority to do it: could she be considered allowed to chant the mantra at 18 years old? Could she have mastered Sanskrit and been taught a pandit for years to the point where she can? Or should I stay away from the Vedas altogether? (I’ve gotten the sense that the Garuda Purana, which also has chapters associated with exorcism, is more accessible, but it’s Vaishnava literature and I don’t know if they could they turn to it since they’re Shaivite?)

I’ve also found folk Hinduism rituals I could follow (for example the book on Google Books called Indian Witchcraft, it’s mostly pages 40 and 93-94 if you look it up) but unfortunately I can’t find a reference that fits what I need from the scene (mainly the fact that they don’t know where the villain is in body, and all the rituals I found need the possessed to be there), and I think taking a part of the ritual to the letter and making up the rest would be really disrespectful?

Whether or not I involve the Hindu texts, do I need to stay away from mantras? If so, can she instead pray for protection? Can I set the action in a Hindu temple (before a Hanuman statue)? Can I invoke the idea that in the temple she’s protected, that the gods nudged the outcome in her favor, that essentially they did the work and saved the day? Should I treat it as an exorcism? Can I have her treat the villain as a pishacha? Or should I leave Hinduism out of it entirely, and invent a magic-based solution with a battle in the astral plane?

I’m sorry if this is jumbled, but basically I have three scenarios in my head: a classic rite out of the Atharva Veda, a completely magic-based solution, and a middle ground (where she’d battle the villain astrally but with her body under the protection of the temple).

Jewish characters in Polytheist settings

Branching off from this: I didn’t realize this until I found the two asks you answered on Jewish characters on polytheist settings, but if I do have that Hindu gods saved the day in this mission, that would mean Hinduism was ‘proven’ in a way no other religions in my work are (the other main characters are Jewish, Jewish, Christian Orthodox and Baptist)? And also one of my Jewish characters (plus the Baptist) are reluctant to solve the situation magically (not so much skeptic of the ghostly situation itself, more like they think they should investigate through material clues), while my other Jewish character is all in on the magic solution. Is there a way to mend this? Since I don’t think I can lower the divinity of Hindu gods as mods suggested for that other post as that would instead be problematic towards Hinduism? (For reference, the way it ends is the group splits up, and both groups end up having a hand in solving the mission.)

Fictional Alien Country, combining other country elements

Last question, about Starfire. Since she’s an alien in canon I wanted to make ‘Tamaran’ its own fictional country, like a Genovia or a Wakanda situation. Is it okay if I make up a country in a setting that has otherwise all real places? And it takes elements from different countries? It would be located somewhere between Russia, Ukraine and Georgia, formerly part of the Russian empire and now its own country, and mostly Orthodox Christian. The country would have Slavic naming conventions but their own language (as in I take some of the Tamaranean words from the TV show). (This country’s backstory never actually comes up, only I know about it. What comes up is her Slavicized name, her celebrating Christmas on January 7th, and speaking Tamaranean.) If there’s problems I’m thinking I’ll downplay everything and make ‘Tamaran’ a federal subject of Russia. Just for reference, I want to keep her redheaded and golden-brown-skinned, so she’s mixed in my story (ethnically Russian and Black).

Thanks a lot for everything you do!

Disclaimer: I (Abhaya) was brought up with the traditions of both my fairly devout Oriya Brahmin family and fairly devout Bhagnari family, as well as the religious teachings of the Chinmaya Mission and Shirdi Sai Baba. My answers come from my own experience and knowledge, as well as specific research I did on these concepts. There will be a variety of answers that come with this question, and answers will vary from person to person. This ask has been reformatted such that the questions can be answered individually.

The first thing you need to do is think about why you chose these individual aspects. Understand what is a reflection of your bias and experience, and deconstruct the reasoning behind your choices. Find what sticks out to you in your research and think about why you find it intriguing. Try not to cherry-pick the things that stick out to you if you’re going for realism and not coding.

On to the questions:

1. Can Raven do tarot and stone divination as a practicing Hindu? Justification: as a magic user who can perform all types of magic she would ‘naturally pick up on this’.

Answer: I guess? I know Hindu teenagers who got into tarot and astrology, though most of them were not particularly devout. I might emphasize that her usage of these methods is a way for her to perform magic in a specific manner. Reference this post [South Asian fortune teller] to find and avoid some of the common pitfalls of the ‘magical South Asian’ character. Naturally getting into something really is a matter of exposure and whether a person is in regular contact with this, or has the impetus to get into it. Talk about how she got into it and not just that it is part of her life.

2.  Can Raven use a ritual from the Atharva Veda as an 18-year-old, or is that unrealistic for her age and background?

Answer: The mastery of these religious rites is dependent on her upbringing; was she brought up to know and understand the meaning of them? I’ve been learning about Hinduism since I was three, and that still mostly encompasses my family’s traditions and beliefs. I am not fluent in Sanskrit despite having exposure to Hinduism and prayer since I was very young. I personally don’t have much experience with Atharvaveda due to a combination of family history, continued stigma, and limited access to accurate and detailed translations that do justice to the original Sanskrit, as again, I am not fluent.

If you truly want her to go through with this ritual, I would emphasize her learning how to do it under the direction of a guru. Most Hindus don’t directly read the Vedas these days; there is a wealth of oral tradition and philosophy that comes through the community as opposed to the books themselves. The ability to read Sanskrit is dwindling these days because many are unable to access the tools to learn and apply the language.

Please do not just have her think of it as something she can just pick up and do randomly. Indicate the amount of contextual background that goes into reading and understanding the Vedas in their original form. For example, the Atharvaveda has a basis in some of the poetry of the Rigveda–she would have had to at least know the contextual references before delving in.

3. Can I use some folk rituals from Hindu communities?

Answer: Having referenced the book Indian Witchcraft, I wouldn’t use those rituals because I don’t think it would come across very well, and as you said, there are requisites that the scene doesn’t have. Given that Raven can use a variety of magic styles, I suggest using something else. 

4.Should she stay away from mantras and simply pray for protection? 

Answer: We do, in fact, use mantras to pray for protection and blessings from the gods. Mantras essentially give a standard prayer–some can be devoted to protection, some to blessings for luck, some to blessings in love, etc. You could use mantras in this context if you know what you’re looking for and do some research into a specific prayer.

Plus, mantras aren’t the only form of prayer, even limited to just what is spoken. There are bhajans, kirtans, aartis, and many more devotional songs that incorporate instrumentation, dance, and audience participation.There are many ways to learn, ranging from learning through oral tradition in temple or with family, to learning in a guru-shishya relationship through music, dance, or philosophy, to reading and analyzing the texts, to individual composition involving the known elements of mythology and nomenclature, and many mixtures as well.

In terms of the mantras themselves, I personally would go with a short invocation, e.g. the Gayatri Mantra, then a prayer to Ganesh, then have her go into the Hanuman Chalisa, assuming you have time for her to do so. The flow of the story may work better if you show her praying and describe her actions, then denote the mantras she used later, in your author’s notes. Think of how her prayer works in context to the scenario, and then decide.

5. Should she treat it as an exorcism? 

Answer: If she is expelling the spirit from the person, it is an exorcism and can be referred to as such. If you feel that the term has too strong a connection to Christian and Jewish tradition, you may prefer expulsion, cleansing, etc. 

6. Can Raven treat the villain as a pishacha? 

Answer: 

  • Is the demon characterized as a pishacha? 
  • Do you understand the mythos behind the term and how they are typically described? 
  • Do you make this clear in your writing and denote the villain as a pishacha? 

If your answer is yes to these questions, then the demon is a pishacha, as described, and can be treated as such. Use clear description and demonstrate where the influence is coming from in your writing. If not, I wouldn’t use it because it would be more of a confusion than an addition to your worldbuilding.

7. Can the ritual a) be set in a Hanuman temple, and b) have the outcome influenced by the gods? 

Answer: 

a) Potentially; consider if Raven has a particular connection to the temple through childhood, etc., collateral damage to the temple itself, and how you want to treat the scene. An active temple is going to have ongoing puja during the day–what will the civilians and pandits do in that situation? The main mandir will usually also have other murtis established around the central focus–what are you planning for these? Will the temple be damaged or destroyed in the course of the conflict? Temples are designed to be safe places of worship and connection with the divine–I’d say it’s fine to assume it as a place of protection and spiritual power for Raven.

b) Having the gods ‘do the work’ can get really iffy. I would have Raven pray and recognize within herself the righteousness of her action. Either way, if she does a rite or astrally projects, show that the power comes from her and any invocation she personally does. In the Mahabharata, Krishna sides with the Pandavas, but does not act as a combatant, even though he had acted against previous villains such as Kamsa and Shishupala. He speaks the words of the Bhagavad Gita on the battlefield to Arjuna as Arjuna faces the crisis of fighting against members of his own family. This demonstrates the blessing of the divine on the Pandavas, but shows that it was the five brothers and their allies that achieved righteous victory in Kurukshetra, even though Krishna was present as Arjuna’s charioteer.

As such, I would have Raven parallel this by seeking the blessings of Hanuman, but achieving victory over evil through her own means. 

8. Should Hinduism be left out of it entirely, and a magic-based solution with a battle in the astral plane be used instead? Or some kind of middle ground?

Answer: This is dependent on what you want to include in your writing. If you want the mentioned aspects of Hinduism to be accurate, you’ll need research, an understanding of your personal bias, and respect for the material you’re conveying. If you want a different solution with a battle in the astral plane, that’s up to you.

9. In reference to our previous posts, should she not use this as it ‘proves’ Hinduism to a team of multiple religions including Jewish and Baptist characters?

Answer: I’m assuming you’re referring to this post and this post. In my opinion, it depends on how you write it. If you don’t actually have the gods present, but show Raven acting according to Hindu principles as she battles the villain, I think you can get around it. I believe it is possible for religions to coexist in their current states, but one cannot be provably above another. Thus, they cannot have a more significant presence. That’s why I would emphasize Raven succeeding on her own merit, with blessings behind her, as opposed to having specific divine interference. 

In short, I think it’s possible to use this, but it’s not going to be to everyone’s taste, and you will have to deal with that in the course of your writing.

Here is some commentary from the Jewish team (including one gentile mod) about the problems with Jewish representation in a canonically, demonstrably polytheistic world:

Jewish characters in a universe with author-created fictional pantheons (two combined asks)

Short version, it either comes out unfair to the group being represented or unfair to us, and it’s okay to leave us out if this is the direction you’re going.

-Shira

Can Tamaran be made a Slavic country somewhere between Russia, Ukraine, and Georgia, that is mostly Orthodox Christian, and has its own, Slavic inspired language? 

Short answer: yes, it’s okay. As per your example about Wakanda, that is exactly what Marvel does. There are real places, such as New York, and fictional countries that co-exist alongside real places. We have several posts regarding cultural mixing and influences and respectfully navigating that, so do a search for those worldbuilding tips.

~Mod Colette

Longer answer: You can do this, but remember that any part of the world is going to have a history that you’ll want to delve into if you try to insert a separate sovereign nation into an already existing country. Establishing a fictional nation, even when you have the bones of it laid out, takes work. Take Genovia: the history is well outlined despite taking place in a world where all other countries operate by their regular conventions. The information wasn’t all apparent in one book–establishing a full aspect of the setting like that takes time within the narrative and outside of it, from a writing perspective. 

As for the language/dialect, look here for Mod Rina’s guide to the barebones of conlanging and consider the extent to which you plan on using it.

Alternatively, you said that this High School AU will be a Fantasy Kitchen Sink. You could potentially leave Tamaran as it is, and have Starfire still retain her original background. It’s up to you.

Final note: 

This is fanfiction. You get to decide how much realism it does or doesn’t have. If your goal is representation and realism, you’ll have to do the work to make it accurate and respectful. 

~ Abhaya

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Indian character with scars and missing tooth

Anonymous asked:

Hi! I’m writing a story that has three main character, one of which is a person of color. the character design changed a lot as I was working on it, and one thing I noticed is that my character who is Indian ended up being the only one of my characters who has scars and a missing tooth, as well as seeming to have no powers for the most of the story. I’m not seeking approval as much as wondering if I need to rework my story so it doesn’t seem like my white characters are favored. Secondarily, is it better to give this character an ethnic south asian name even though she is american? I want it to make sense in the story.

You need to think about why you chose particular traits to be assigned to your individual characters, and consider any biases that may be affecting this. Take some time to deconstruct why you chose these characteristics and revise as necessary.

Do you explain why she has noticeable scars and a missing tooth? Along with why she seems to not have powers? If this is detailed well without denigrating her character e.g. making it about her ethnic background or making her the ‘weird character’, I think you’ll be on the right track. Give her nuance and make her a whole character. Give her more background than ‘Indian’; India is composed of multiple states and regions which all have their own unique cultural elements that you can find out about. Additionally, I’d suggest introducing other South Asian characters to contextualize her character a bit more. Make it clear that her lack of powers isn’t something that’s only specific to the South Asian characters you write.

Do all the white characters have powers? Is it a matter of training & opportunity or heredity? Do you have characters from other ethnic backgrounds as well? Consider the setting and adjust the demographics accordingly. As I said previously, consider your biases and how they come across to the reader. 

Re: the name thing. My name is Abhaya. I was born and raised in the United States by immigrant parents with their own unique Bhagnari and Odiya names. She can absolutely have a name of South Asian origin and have it make sense in this context. Do some research into a specific state/region to find names that would specifically suit your character, and try to find a name that is meaningful. Our naming guide is great for a starting place with this.

~ Abhaya

Inej Ghafa from the Six of Crows duology is the only brown person in the core group of characters and she doesn’t have any magical abilities or significant background unlike some of her friends. Nevertheless, she remains popular among readers and ranks consistently as one of the topmost beloved characters from all of author Leigh Bardugo’s works. When you are writing a character of colour, you are not just dealing with a racial identity but also putting in work to make your characters fleshed-out individuals with compelling backstories and development. 

As Mod Abhaya has stated, give your character depth beyond her nationality.

It would be good to see other South Asian characters who do have magic (even if they are supporting/background characters) to eliminate any uncomfortable racial implication. And as always, look to your own thought processes and try to analyse why you chose the sole brown character to have no magical abilities. 

Also PLEASE give her an ethnic name. I’m tired of reading Tiffany Sengupta and Angelina Mahmood every time Western authors depict a brown character.

- Mod Mimi

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thridyteer-deactivated20241209 asked:

what are some things I shld be careful of when writing jewish-coded magical characters? One of them is a romani jewish necromancer and the other is a russian jewish ice-magic witch. Their universes dont have western christianity, only judaism, islam & eastern orthodox christianity. Magic is normal and widespread and considered part of nature. Are there any stereotypes i shld be aware of avoiding when writing them? especially since the necromancer is meant to be morally grey (but def not evil)?

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From a Romani perspective, a necromancer would be problematic as most Romani people have very strict traditions and superstitions regarding death and the dead. A Romani person with any ties to their culture would never be a necromancer; additionally, making them morally grey is a bit concerning to me as this is dangerously close to stereotypical. 

-Mod Tess

One thing you will need to decide is if your ice mage’s powers come from secular magic or from, like, prayers. I chose to go with secular magic in my fantasy series because the most important magical character is sometimes morally gray while the totally nonmagical protagonist (Queen Shulamit) is fairly moral and devout. But there is also Jewish folklore where magic is being used by a rabbi to do holy things, so that’s really a writing decision on your part. Since you also have a morally gray character doing magic, you may want to go the same route I did.

There is probably Talmud and stuff about necromancy (it’s probably forbidden but I am not familiar myself and I’m hoping one of the other Jewish mods will know. The ice mage will be easier to handle as far as representation. I’d say with Jewish witches avoid any connection with the Western image of the witch with the exaggeratedly hooked nose, avoid the idea that kids (especially gentile kids) are an ingredient in her portions, and avoid magic that somehow invokes pop Christianity/demonology aesthetically. 

Here’s an older post of mine about writing Jewish witches: Jewish Witch Characters

– Shira

I agree that the ice mage is the easier answer: the only other example I can think of of Jewish representation in fantasy with regard to ice magic is Naomi Novik’s Spinning Silver, which is a masterpiece of positive Eastern-European Jewish fantasy representation and also doesn’t on its own constitute a representational trend. 

As far as the other character, I’m not sufficiently educated on Romani culture to understand how and in what ways it would mix with Jewish culture for any individual, and it looks like Tess is advising against that aspect of their background, so let’s just talk about necromancy and Jewishness. 

As is often the case when discussing practices we now consider to be magic, attitudes toward necromancy in Jewish writings are all over the map. 

Torah forbids it outright. Talmud restricts that prohibition to certain methods and situations. Medieval writers have opinions on methodology, while historical folk practice has a variety of practical suggestions. Welcome to the history of the Jews. 

Necromancy in the sources I was able to find for this answer seems to refer to questioning the dead, a form of fortune-telling or advice-seeking. I didn’t find any mentions of animating the dead for tasks other than conversation. If your Jewish necromancer has other uses for corpses, you’re going to have to extrapolate. 

In Torah, the prohibitions on consulting spirits and mediums come as part of longer lists, alongside cultural-identity laws like observing shabbat, banned religious practices such as human sacrifice and self-harm, and societal norms such as deference to elders and fairness to immigrants. Scripture clearly has no doubt that necromancy works, however, since it makes much of King Saul’s hypocrisy when he consults a medium after making the practice illegal and driving its practitioners out of his borders or into secrecy: the ghost himself has harsh words for the king and offers no comfort. 

The Talmud mentions a variety of examples of people consulting the dead, whether invoking a spiritual apparition or reanimating a corpse to consult with. In medieval writings, there’s an argument that being called to the living world is a hardship for the dead, and that the reason for the prohibition is out of compassion. Medieval literature also offers gleanings such as that the deceased can only be interrogated within the first year, after which the soul is no longer within reach, and that the dead observe shabbat and therefore cannot be invoked between Friday evening and Saturday night. This last one raises the fascinating question of what time zone is it in the World to Come, but that’s a Talmud-style question for another day. Interestingly, the Talmud does specify that humans don’t have jurisdiction to punish necromancers: that offense is between the individual and God.

The upshot of all this seems to be that your morally-gray Jewish necromancer is transgressing a Jewish law by practicing their skills, but that the transgression is not more severe than more mundane transgressions such as eating pork or shellfish, except in that it is unpleasant for the deceased. 

In a Jewish context, the word for the soul or animating spirit of a human is the same as the word for breath. If your character’s necromancy doesn’t restore the deceased’s consciousness, maybe all of the above is irrelevant, and the sin they’re guilty of instead is desecration of a corpse; since the character is intentionally dark, having them wonder which category of sin they are committing would be a valid dialogue choice. 

As always, I would warn you against having your Jewish character commit murder themselves, especially of a child, consume blood in any context, or act with a motivation of xenophobia or greed for wealth or power. A morally-gray Jewish character with a complex relationship to their Jewishness can have the potential to be interesting, but not if they reinforce existing negative portrayals. 

I hope this small-scale tour of Jewish writing and thought on the subject has helped you imagine how your Jewish characters might approach the relationship between their abilities and their backgrounds, and that you had fun following me on this journey. Good luck!

-Meir

Hi, Meir did a lot of external research with sources for this one so I’m gonna toss his Ko-fi link in, in case anyone feels like tipping him for this since we’re all unpaid volunteers. 

https://ko-fi.com/meirmakesstuff

– Shira

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ladydunberry-blog asked:

Hello ! A friend of mine adviced me your page and i’m so glad i found it !

Yestersay, I was rereading my manuscript and i came across something that hadn’t cross my mind before. I’m writing a fantasy novel and in my world, people who have magical powers have to be registered to the Authority in charge of magical affair so they can control that they don’t break magical rules. When they get registered, they get a tatoo in the inside of their arm which is a small star.

Do you think it might be considered as offensive towards the jewish community ?


Thank you in advance for all of your answers !

Registering magical characters with star tattoo on inner arm

Yes please let’s don’t. My mother grew up seeing the numbers on survivors’ arms around her and it’s likely other people will make the “involuntary/non-consensual inner arm ink” connection as well. And the star makes it even more of a connection, even if it’s not the same star I’m picturing. Thank you for catching yourself, because that shows that you are thinking sensitively about your own writing. <3

The thing about writing a SFF setting with an intrusive, abusive authority is that many of the ways we’ll envision for them to be awful to their citizens have happened in the real world, especially to marginalized people. For example, I was going to suggest an ankle bracelet, but that’s a real thing that happens with people in the US carceral system.

–Shira

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jacquelan asked:

One of the characters in my fantasy is biracial (half French and half Chinese). Growing up with his French mother, he feels like an outcast and is isolated from his Chinese heritage, which gives him a sense of not being accepted in a predominantly white society. Because of this, he decides to magically change his appearance to look more French than Chinese (with gold hair instead of black&white skin). I drew on my struggles as Chinese-American, but is changing his looks disrespectful?

Mixed Chinese French boy unaccepted by society, changes his look to look more French (Written by Chinese author)

So I don’t necessarily think it’s “disrespectful,” considering this is based on your own experiences with Western beauty standards. That being said, speaking just for myself: I’d need more reasons than “feeling left out of society” to have him change his appearance. I don’t want to minimize the struggle PoC have with Western beauty standards and being pressured to feel like they have to look more “white,” but what do you intend to do with the narrative surrounding this character? Does the story necessarily require this? Is part of his character development arc about reconciling with his identity? These are questions I think you ought to look into if you decide to go ahead with this. 

–mod Jess

I agree with mod Jess. I would not necessarily label this as “disrespectful” especially considering that the idea of wanting to change one’s appearance to be more aligned with Western beauty standards is not uncommon in mixed Asian folks. I would like to note that no single experience is a monolith and what some might interpret as a relatable story of not-fitting in, other might view as a story once again telling them they do not belong. Once again echoing mod Jess, I think it is extremely important that you analyze why you are choosing this narrative and what direction you plan on taking it in. Will this character remain in his changed appearance following the conclusion of the story? 

If the character chooses to remain in his changed appearance after the story because he continues to feel negatively on being perceived as Chinese, I would say this story should be reevaluated. There are already so many negative feelings around biracial Asian people and how we perceive our identities, there does not need to be more stories of people becoming an example of Western beauty and never finding acceptance for existing as we are. 

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Personally, I’m more concerned about looking French by getting “white skin.” Because not all French people are super light and many French people have brown hair, he may not have to change his skin or hair color to look more French. The question is how far is he willing to go to look more French. Would he hide his culture, change his eye shape? 

The “white skin” also suggests he doesn’t already have light skin. Medium and dark skinned East Asians already don’t have much representation and you also have to deal with a colorist angle. 

I agree with the other mods in that if he decides to stay in this more French form, it is a harmful narrative because Eurocentric beauty standards are once again put on a pedestal.

For this, I would recommend sending this over to our mixed Chinese-white followers.

—Mod Sci

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Non-human Malaysian man, Persian name

Anonymous asked:

I have a non human character who I created when I was 8, I gave him a name I later found out was Persian in origin. Now that I’m older I want to do a story that has these characters, but now i’m worried because the character in question did use elements due to that being the stories “magic system” and so did his mother who would either be coded to be full Persian, or half Persian half Malaysian.(I haven’t decided that part yet.)

The character’s species are all coded to be of human ethnicities and practice elements. I’m still in the process of world building and contemplating whether they’d have religions like our own.

Would it be for the best to change the character’s name and make the mother full Malaysian? Or is there a way I could portray this thoughtfully? 

Thank you in advance!

Calling our Malaysian followers!

As we don’t have any Malaysian or Malay mods, judgement falls to our readers! 

Not Malaysian but from a Southeast Asian perspective, I think that we definitely need more Malaysian representation as well as Persian representation. I don’t see why a character can’t be both!

Mod Niki also provides some additional commentary below regarding othering and naming.

- Mod Emme 

What was the name?

It could have been helpful to know what the name is. There are Persian names of various origins that may indicate different religious backgrounds, historical connections or cultural elements. Without more information though, I don’t see anything inherently wrong about a Persian-coded character using elemental magic if that’s your world’s magic system. I’m more concerned about the character being non-human, and the fact that you’re coding non-human species to real-world ethnic groups and cultures. This can potentially lead to dehumanizing and harmful tropes. This topic has been covered on the blog already. I recommend reading through the race allegory tag. This recent post is especially relevant. 

- Mod Niki

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digitalsmudge asked:

I have this character in my story who’s a telepath that also happens to be Jewish. I’ve tried to do some research not to fall into stereotypes (he’s a confidant but not a mentor, it’s not all take and no give in the relationship) and there’s no hidden world “conspiracy” because there’s so few human magic users that they’re all isolated from each other. Is there anything else I should be careful about with this character?

Also I was thinking that he could kind of communicate with animals due to the telepathy, but is that a thing I should be careful of? I was originally gonna have a family pet be a black cat (just a regular cat) but thinking about the stereotypes associated I’m thinking probably not.

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I have no issues with a black cat, despite their association with witches. I would stay away from rats, roaches, and snakes/lizards (as an outsider–if I’m wrong about that, my apologies and yes you may reclaim and reverse tropes etc.) because of propaganda, but I would be fine with a cat or dog and their wild animal analogs. Although if his whole communication with a roach consists of “get the f*% away from me before I step on you!!” rather than Being Friends that would 1. Not evoke the propaganda trope of us being vermin because they’re clearly presented as enemies not buddies and 2. Be amusing. (I think my Florida is showing.) 

I think I am fine with the telepathy especially given what you mentioned – not a mentor, the friendship goes both ways instead of him being some backstabbing advisor who hears all the confidences but never confides anything of his own, etc. One other thing I’d add is that he’s not using his telepathy to manipulate the people whose mind he can read. Also if you have Jewish characters with no telepathy or no other powers that kind of diversity always helps when writing a magical Jewish character because it decouples the supernatural element from the Jewishness.

–Shira

I had a black cat as a child, and my rabbi at the time had one too 😊 They don’t really have witchy connotations in our community, so I would be completely fine with that.

As I’ve mentioned in the past, from an Orthodox perspective magic is too close to idol worship to be allowed. However, I don’t think a specifically telepathic character would necessarily be an issue. Depending on the character’s beliefs, he may understand this power to be a stronger connection to Hashem, which gives him access to some of the spiritual truth that is hidden for most people. For inspiration, you could research Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson (known to his followers as ‘the Rebbe’), whose advice was thought to have a near-psychic quality and would draw people from around the world. Of course, he attributed this one hundred percent to Hashem and not to some kind of rival power.

I agree with Shira that the other important considerations are 1) he doesn’t use his powers for evil and 2) Jewishness is decoupled from having powers to avoid otherising.

 -Shoshi

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