Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 November 21
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:57, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/MediaWiki:Recentchangestext (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This editnotice is not needed anymore now that the linked "Recent changes article requests" page has been deleted. OutsideNormality (talk) 23:37, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – I don't understand why this existed in the first place, but it's definitely pointless now. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:40, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Uw-aitalk1. ✗plicit 23:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Uw-llmtalk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Uw-aitalk1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Uw-llmtalk with Template:Uw-aitalk1.
Template:uw-llmtalk seems redundant, since the multi-level warning series says pretty much the same thing. I propose that uw-llmtalk be redirected to uw-aitalk1. 137a (talk • edits) 23:20, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator's rationale. Dandykong1 (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- No objection from me, as the creator. When I made the llmtalk template the multi-level version didn't exist; now that it does, it makes sense to merge. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 23:38, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator's rationale. FaviFake (talk) 16:38, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Road signs in the US states by the adoption of MUTCD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This navbox will essentially never be completed (and it shouldn't have been created). There's five existing articles: two state-specific MUTCD, one that is list to signage in Puerto Rico, one that is a list to signage in the US, and the federal MUTCD. The same list is explicitly mentioned in Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices#Adoption and serves the same purpose of the navbox. – The Grid (talk) 22:59, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:53, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:WritersGuildofAmericaComedyVarietyAnyLength (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Navbox with only 2 different links, none of which are for the actual episode that won the award. Unhelpful for navigation. WP:NENAN. Οἶδα (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator's rationale. FaviFake (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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Edit protected
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The result of the discussion was snow keep. I'm withdrawing this as the nominator as there's a much, much clearer consensus now compared to last year's nomination.(non-admin closure) FaviFake (talk) 20:43, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Edit protected (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Edit semi-protected (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Edit extended-protected (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Edit template-protected (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Edit fully-protected (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Edit interface-protected (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
The various protection-specific edit-request wrappers should be redirected to {{Edit protected}}. These wrappers once served to work around the absence of automatic detection of protection-level, but that limitation no longer applies and keeping them distinct actually makes the situation worse.
They are already functionally merged (they all call the same module), but not redirecting them creates avoidable errors. Editors assume that transcluding a specific wrapper guarantees the banner for the level they chose ("If i choose {{FPER}}, the template will always create a fully-protected edit request" → wrong!), but they're often unaware that their "choice" is always disregarded (such as when the page has a different protection level, or when the requested page is specified only in comments). In other words, using {{TPER}} or {{FPER}} or {{SPER}} outputs the same exact result, regardless of which is used.
This can mislead responders, cause unnecessary back-and-forth, and involve users who did not need to be drawn in. If these wrappers were redirects, editors would be aware that they all work exactly the same. I described a situation in which this mess of identical wrappers caused 2 more people to needlessly waste their time.
A single wrapper would be clearer and much less likely to be accidentally misused. To the best of my knowledge, no features would be lost if they were all simply redirected right now. FaviFake (talk) 18:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Of note, previous TfD discussion from last year: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_22#Template:Edit semi-protected ~ Amory (u • t • c) 18:42, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- As noted in last year's TFD, one feature would be lost: the different templates default to different messages if the auto-detection of the protection level fails. The result of the proposed merger, if it were to happen, would be that all these different names would have to have the same default or would have to display an error message when autodetection fails. Anomie⚔ 22:51, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
if the auto-detection of the protection level fails
In what circumstances can it fail? FaviFake (talk) 10:00, 22 November 2025 (UTC)- Looks like any case where Module:Effective protection level returns "*" (including when the title tested is not protected), or if there are multiple pages checked and they don't all have the same level returned by that module, are cases where that might happen. There's also a
|force=yesparameter to override the auto-detection, which would presumably have to be changed to something like|force=level. Anomie⚔ 13:37, 22 November 2025 (UTC)- It appears {{Edit protected}} already supports this, so no change would be necessary:
{{Edit protected|level=level}}And are these use cases really that common? I'd argue the confusion and misuse caused by these separate wrappers creates more harm than an incorrect default in these situations. FaviFake (talk) 14:02, 22 November 2025 (UTC)- Is the case you ran into (which you've not yet linked, just vaguely referred to) that common either? Anomie⚔ 14:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- No, it's not, but the belief that these templates do different things is widespread. I can imagine people needlessly trying to remember the name of a specific wrapper, or checking the documentations (which all still say: use this one for this level, this other one for this other level, etc...) FaviFake (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- And the documentation isn't wrong in that. Anomie⚔ 15:42, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- In 99% of cases it is misleading though. FaviFake (talk) 16:01, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- If you're referring to the fact that the documentation doesn't mention the auto-detection that tries to DTRT, that would be easy to fix. Anomie⚔ 18:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- In 99% of cases it is misleading though. FaviFake (talk) 16:01, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- And the documentation isn't wrong in that. Anomie⚔ 15:42, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- No, it's not, but the belief that these templates do different things is widespread. I can imagine people needlessly trying to remember the name of a specific wrapper, or checking the documentations (which all still say: use this one for this level, this other one for this other level, etc...) FaviFake (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Is the case you ran into (which you've not yet linked, just vaguely referred to) that common either? Anomie⚔ 14:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- It appears {{Edit protected}} already supports this, so no change would be necessary:
- Looks like any case where Module:Effective protection level returns "*" (including when the title tested is not protected), or if there are multiple pages checked and they don't all have the same level returned by that module, are cases where that might happen. There's also a
- Keep per Anomie. And absolutely nothing has changed since this proposal failed last year. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:46, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Obvious Keep. Doesn't seem like anything has changed from last year. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 22:00, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep all - I stand by my comment at Module talk:Protected edit request. Most of the useful, practical and non-breaking merging has been done, exactly twelve years ago when Module:Protected edit request was launched and the various request templates were converted to wrappers. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:38, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Anomie and because it seems like nothing has changed since the last discussion on this. GothicGolem29 (Talk) 16:46, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Nothing has changed since the 2024 discussion, and the proposer does not provide a demonstration sandbox template that addresses the technical concerns of the opposers in that discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Anomie, and all of the above. 2600 etc (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:FileMissing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Useless Template. We can Just use the {{info}} template instead, which Is Better and smarter. ~2025-34960-80 (talk) 17:59, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, just about redundant to {{Photo requested}}. mwwv converse∫edits 01:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per ~2025-34960-80. —Fortuna, imperatrix 17:39, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:47, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Fishers Freight (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fishers Freight seasons (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Both fails NENAN. Too few links for any navbox. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator's rationale. FaviFake (talk) 10:01, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:45, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Republic of Ireland squad FIFA U17 World Cup 2025 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
We do not do squad navbox templates for youth tournaments. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:59, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 02:59, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, we do not have youth competition squad templates. GiantSnowman 10:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Athpol (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This barely used template is a simple link that creates an MOS:EGG link. This should be replaced in article with a full link and not one that displays only the number as the link. Gonnym (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak delete – this is used in citations, and I disagree that it's a MOS:EGG violation in that context. It's similar to what {{cite book}} does with
|chapter-url=: the link text doesn't include the name of the overall work, it just identifies the portion being linked to. Similar citations in these articles are formatted the same way (e.g. "Thucydides, 2.65"), whether or not a template is involved. But this template doesn't actually work, since s:Athenian Constitution doesn't have any anchors with numbers alone; I also find it strange that it doesn't produce the whole citation. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:01, 23 November 2025 (UTC)- 2.65 is also an egg link. It does not in fact link to 2.65. Gonnym (talk) 08:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Page image (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This overly complicated barely used template should just be replaced with direct image links. Unless I'm missing something here which this template does. Gonnym (talk) 16:23, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak delete – as far as I can tell, the purpose of this template is to get the lead image from another article, and to automatically update whenever that article's image is changed. I could see this being useful in some circumstances, but it breaks unpredictably if there's a filename-looking thing in a hidden comment or if the article at the given title is replaced (e.g. with a disambiguation page), is likely to confuse editors who want to change the image, and allows for something similar to template vandalism. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:39, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Way too complicated. Just use a regular file link. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:35, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
Only three links outside title link. Fails navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:45, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 16:51, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 16:32, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
Only two valid blue links for players. Not needed. Svartner (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:45, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:11, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
This sidebar is duplicative of Template:Mark Carney. We just don't use sidebars for Canadian political leaders, see Category:Canada political leader sidebar templates. This will never be properly transcluded, and thus serves no purpose to our readers: it only has two transclusions, and we most decidedly do not want it elsewhere. Having this around will only serve to cause trouble. MediaKyle (talk) 13:18, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and precedent. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:11, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
Deprecated sub template that has been surrounded by noinclude and basically displays nothing when transcluded. Seems this is only used in a few places like Template:Periodic table. Gonnym (talk) 11:35, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Writers Guild of America Award for Television: Anthology Episode/Single Program (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Navbox with only 2 links. Unhelpful for navigation. WP:NENAN. Οἶδα (talk) 08:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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Graph:Chart political
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:54, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Module:Graph:Chart political/doc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Graph:Chart political (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Custom formatting for {{Graph:Chart}}, which needs to be converted to use {{Chart}}. Should be easy enough to use GraphBot (talk · contribs) via {{PortGraph}} to accomplish this. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 00:12, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Convert and delete per nom as the Graph extension won't be returning. Gonnym (talk) 10:20, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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