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Category:Buddhist temples in Chuzhou

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:46, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Palestinian media

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:46, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated duplicate. There are already Category:Mass media in Palestine and Category:Mass media in Palestine (region). The only article in the category (Journal of Palestine Studies) is actually published in Lebanon, not Palestine. Place Clichy (talk) 22:20, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schools that have had shootings

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:46, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary, see Category:School shootings in the United States. --Magnolia677 (talk) 21:30, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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People from dependent territories of the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: rename and merge as listed. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:49, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 28#British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies and WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 29#British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies upmerge: categories about British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies were merged using the generic name "Dependent territories of the United Kingdom", as what defines these groups of categories is the relation to their sovereign parent country more than the various individual statuses of these territories. These are leftovers from previous nominations. Place Clichy (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Guadeloupean military personnel

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The result of the discussion was: rename and merge as listed (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:51, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Guadeloupean is not a nationality and Guadeloupe does not have a military. Articles in these categories are French military people who are from the island of Guadeloupe. The target format is standard for subnational areas, such as sibling categories in Category:French military personnel by populated place. Also, there are not enough articles for distinguishing military personnel and soldiers, and no other soldiers categories for aeras in France. Place Clichy (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Corsican female models

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:25, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One article; does not help navigation. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Caucasus descent

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 17#Category:American people of West Asian descent. Hassan697 (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Descent categories should be organized by country and continent, which may not be perfect but are at least consistent. Sorting descent categories by region, which are often arbitrary and overlapping, should be avoided. Place Clichy (talk) 15:37, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the subcategories are already in European trees where they properly belong. They may also be added to an Asian tree, but that is not relevant to the outcome of this deletion discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:02, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African-American Catholic colleges and universities

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 30#Category:African-American Catholic colleges and universities

Category:African-American Catholic superiors general

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 30#Category:African-American Catholic superiors general

Category:African-American members of Catholic religious communities

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. SMasonGarrison 03:44, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories SMasonGarrison 01:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overlapping in what sense? It's a nested category for a reason. "Religious communities" is a reference to Catholic members of consecrated life, not the literal religious community that is the entire Catholic Church. natemup (talk) 02:36, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It does look like this category has been nominated before. I did not realize that we had had two dicussions about this as it was under a different name. I'm happy to withdraw this nomination on those grounds. SMasonGarrison 03:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former Christian hip-hop musicians

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:02, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection SMasonGarrison 01:48, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why would former CHH artists, many of whom aren't even Christians anymore, be listed under "performers of Christian hip-hop"? That makes no sense. There's a reason we have, for example, the cat for former Roman Catholics and the like. natemup (talk) 02:38, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please review how defining works for intersections like I recommended on your talk page. SMasonGarrison 03:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of Government of Laos

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer with incorrect grammar. (Note there is already Category:Members of the National Assembly of Laos so that's not what this category is.) Mclay1 (talk) 01:47, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catholic-raised African Americans

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus on whether to merge or delete, which defaults to merge as the less destructive action. Re whether to do either of those, it's a clear WP:1AM situation where natemup has made their case but failed to convince anyone else. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:44, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection with the religion raised with. If not merged, it needs to be renamed to match how we name categories SMasonGarrison 01:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It could be "African-American former Catholics", but they're not all former, necessarily. Another editor disputed having certain people included under "African-American Catholics" if there was no source for their continued practice in adulthood or until death, so I created this category for those described as raised Catholic but with little clarity beyond that. natemup (talk) 02:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So are you proposing a slipt here? SMasonGarrison 03:44, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what you mean. natemup (talk) 15:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I misspelt "split". Let me elaborate, because I don't have the content knowledge about whether the intersection is defining. But I think a more compelling case, would be "African-American former Catholics" because that has a better chance of being DEFINING because both those trees exist. It's an easier case to make and more likely to succeed here. I agree that it isn't a perfect match, as some of these people aren't regularly described as former Catholics, and so those people would belong in Category:African-American Catholics instead of African-American former Catholics. I'm happy to walk you through more of the nuance, but that seems like a conversation for a talk page rather than a CFD. SMasonGarrison 21:45, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, how one is raised is not a defining characteristic. Articles about practising Catholics can go into Category:African-American Catholics of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    What then of Category:Former Roman Catholics? And the like? It's the same thing. natemup (talk) 15:03, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep: Per WP:OCEGRS. Defining characteristic of these figures whose were raised as Catholics in intersection with a unique and marginalized ethnic community and who now may or may not continue to practice. natemup (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    How does Category:African-American Catholics not apply to that unique and marginalized ethnic community? Wikipedia does not practice recentism, so if an individual is A one day and B the next day, then that individual can be placed in both A and B categories, provided that is defining enough to their biography. Place Clichy (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree! But another editor recently made a point to delete that category from those articles, citing something wiki policy-related. So I created this new category. natemup (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Which category did they delete? It's not clear from your sentence. No one is saying that the insection of being Black and Catholic isn't important, but what the question being is whether Catholic-raised African Americans is defining. We don't have an Catholic-raised Americans category because that's not something we typically describe in the lead of an article. Obviously, that's not the only way to evaluate that, but it does make it really tricky to argument your case. SMasonGarrison 21:36, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean that they removed the "African-American Catholics" category from a series of articles because the subject may or may not be practicing anymore or at the time of their death. We have the category Category:Former Roman Catholics, which according to its lede is akin to "Catholic-raised people". People who were once practicing Catholics but aren't anymore. So it is with this category for African Americans, though imprecisely. natemup (talk) 17:29, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Forget the policy. Just because a category exists for African-American Catholics does not mean it should be added to everybody that you feel fits this description. In general, categories are only useful on articles for which they are especially significant. In other words, it is a key aspect of the person's life, not a trivial one. Also, there are topics which are more sensitive, such as religion and ethnicity. An extra care is also taken for living people, so as not to have unsure statements on their Wikipedia articles. That's why, when someone is born in a religion but never really makes a public statement about it in their career, categorizing them by that religion is often unnecessary. I don't know the articles you talk about, but it may be the reason why such categories were removed from them. In some cases, the way to get out of this is to write a list article (of famous Catholics in the African-American society for instance). Another guideline with good advice to read for you  : WP:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. Place Clichy (talk) 12:04, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I added it to everyone the reliable sources indicate fits the description. natemup (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, failing to see the difference. If they were Catholics during part of all of their life, and that is a defining aspect of their personality, then they belong in Category:African-American Catholics. Delete as second-best option in the spirit of consensus per Marcocapelle, if I get the hint that articles placed in that category instead of the target would be a strong suggestion that being or having been Catholic is not defining for them. Place Clichy (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Royal Winnipeg Ballet soloists

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories where all but one of these pages is a redirect. Upmerge SMasonGarrison 01:17, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:International Association of Culinary Professionals award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
The International Association of Culinary Professionals is an American trade association that gives out various annual awards. If you click through the articles, they treat the more prominent James Beard Foundation Award as defining by mentioning it right in the intro but this award is relegated to a passing reference in the body with other honors. I listed the winners right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:NAICA Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:23, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
Each year the North American Ice Cream Association gives NAICA Awards in nine different categories. The category doesn't seem defining with two articles: one article mentions the award in passing and the other not at all mentions two second place awards. Normally I try to move nondefining award categories to a list, but there's not currently a main article and I'm not sure if the topic is notable. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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