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Category:Peranakan people in Thailand

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Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category, overcategorization. Gjs238 (talk) 23:12, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Thai people of Chinese descent. We do not normally divide ancestry by inter-mediate countries as this category does.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:51, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peranakan Chinese are a a recognized cultural group, not an “intermediate ancestry”. Wikipedia already maintains parallel national-level Peranakan categories, see Category:Peranakan people in Malaysia, Category:Peranakan people in Singapore and Category:Peranakan people in Indonesia, and Thailand’s (Baba) community, especially in Phuket and Trang, is culturally significant and well-documented. Deleting the Thai category would misrepresent Peranakan identity as merely a waypoint of Chinese migration, which contradicts both historical and scholarly consensus. Terabyte646 (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Sakhra

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). GoldRomean (talk) 06:08, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category, over categorization Gjs238 (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tornadoes in Washington, D.C., by date

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Nominator's rationale: The category only has one page and zero subcategories. The sole member is already in Category:Tornadoes in Maryland and Category:Tornadoes in Virginia, so merging the category to Category:Tornadoes in the United States would be unnecessary. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 22:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hospitals in Akwa Ibom State

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Nominator's rationale: 2-article category with limited potential for expansion, over categorization Gjs238 (talk) 22:36, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Abeen

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). GoldRomean (talk) 06:08, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category, over categorization. Gjs238 (talk) 22:33, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Skrilla

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Nominator's rationale: To match the order used in the subcategories of "Category:American hip-hop songs" WhatADrag07 (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:My Little Pony stubs

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Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category, with no evidence of approval by WikiProject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just any editor to create on a whim for just any topic of their own choosing -- a stub template has to be on at least 60 articles before it gets its own dedicated category for them, so stub categories have to be proposed for discussion and approval before they can be created. But this wasn't proposed at all, the stub template is only on six articles, and it's unlikely that 54 more articles could be found for it as my spotcheck of the mainspace Category:My Little Pony tree has so far failed to find even one as yet untagged stub let alone 54.
I am of course willing to withdraw this if somebody with more expertise in the subject can find 54 more untagged My Little Pony stubs, but it needs a hell of a lot more than just six pages.
The template isn't a problem if somebody can suggest another appropriate parent category for it to upfile these six articles to, but this category can't exist without at least 54 more pages like this, and the template can't exist either if it isn't filing its entries somewhere. Bearcat (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Angika-language writers

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Nominator's rationale: Cluster of categories all newly created for the same single person. I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with more knowledge of this language and its literary corpus can find other writers to file in them -- but they're not needed for just one person, and I can't find others on my own as he's the only writer named in the language's head article either. Bearcat (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional deaths by person

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Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only contained two subcategories that don't belong in Fictional deaths by person. Deaths by person is supposed to be for pages about the death SMasonGarrison 16:51, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Female criminal groups

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). GoldRomean (talk) 19:21, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't think that "Criminal gangs that are entirely (or at least mostly) composed of girls and women." is defining under EGRS. SMasonGarrison 16:25, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Putschists killed during the Beer Hall Putsch

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). GoldRomean (talk) 19:21, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories SMasonGarrison 15:29, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Irish plumbers

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Nominator's rationale: This seems to be bogus. None of the members are notable as plumbers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 15:02, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, as most biographies within the grandparent hierarchy Category:Construction trades workers are of people who became notable for some other reason, but did these jobs according to reliable sources. We categorise e.g. political biographies also according to previous occupations such as teachers or medics, and it would be discrimatory to do so only for professional lines of work. – Fayenatic London 20:22, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom-definong rules. To me the key is that not one of these articles mentions being a plumber in the lead. The issue is not "is this why the person is notable" but "is this domething that people generally include in a brief summary of the person?". Hiroshi Sakaguchi who is at present the only person in Category:Japanese carpenters is described as a carpenter in the lead. I looked through all the contents of Irish plumbers and not one is called a plumber in the lead. So on principal this could and in some cases is a defining trait for the people categorized, but it does not appear to be defining for anyone so categorized, so I believe we should delete it based on the current context. Since this is based on the current Category contents it does not apply more broadly although there may be other categories with the same problem.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military personnel of the Great Captain

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Nominator's rationale: overlapping. Unclear what the Great Captain is because of the limited parents SMasonGarrison 14:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Lithuanian socialist feminists

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:54, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: underpopulated. upmerge for now SMasonGarrison 06:16, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:19th-century Lithuanian illustrators

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:54, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: underpopulated categories. upmerge for now SMasonGarrison 04:24, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st-century American Samoan sportsmen

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:53, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: selective merge. There's no Category:21st-century American Samoan people tree SMasonGarrison 04:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Monsters

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:53, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm usually not a fan of splitting categories by gender, but I am certain that female monsters are a defining cross-categorization, as evidenced by such creatures as the sphinx or Grendel's mother, among others. I made a monster girl article a while back, which, while it's only about a specific type of humanoid female monster, demonstrates at least some standalone notability. An article called female monster (or Monsters and femininity)? is likely to also be notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:15, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now: While I wouldn't if there are gender studies or feminist interpretations on femineity or how these characters are treated. Monsters that are more tropes or characters like Medusa or Kuchisake-onna are complicated. As they aren't real, the Medusa article just says they are "described as female" or are "the spirit of a woman" and I don't know how seriously they are defined as actually being female or male or anything. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:27, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    One direct example in RS is here, where the Kuchisake-onna is described as "a well-dressed, but violently insecure young woman". This article describes the Greek sphinx as having "the haunches of a lion, the wings of a great bird, and horribly, the face and breast of a woman" and while it is not fully a woman, it's nevertheless described as female with feminine pronouns. There's also the classic Scylla who begins as a female nymph before being transformed into a monster, but nevertheless retains the female connotation. Siren (mythology) are another example in which their femininity are important, as they lure men onto the rocks and make them drown. Overall, there are demonstrably sufficient examples of both mythological and fictional monsters that are defined by being female monsters, specifically. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:00, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the research! I'm not sure if this has really helped out the argument at the moment as it really hasn't suggested they are studied separately. Is there research specifically about "female monsters" over bits and pieces? Like, "well this has the wings of a great bird" wouldn't make me want to have "Bird monsters" as a category if that makes sense. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:52, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrzejbanas: As I noted in the nomination, yes. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:29, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:58, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 04:20, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Belgian fashion stylists

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:52, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. underpopulated category. the creator has already been asked to stop creating underpopulated categories SMasonGarrison 03:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional half-vampires

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Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem like a defining cross-categorization. Perhaps if it was only "fictional dhampirs", but List of dhampirs is incorrect as the concept of a dhampir is only in Balkan folklore, and its use outside of that appears to be confined to D&D. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:11, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Seems too similar to the other half-X categories here, except for genre. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:07, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 03:55, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sea captains from Brooklyn

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 November 29#Category:Sea captains from Brooklyn

Category:Tongan people by century and occupation

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:49, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 03:37, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Tonga is a country with just over 100,000 people where the large majority of our articles on non-royalty are on people active after 1900. We do not really need to split by century in cases where we realistically are only going to have 2 century categories. Also splitting between 20th and 21st century at this time normally leads to very high levels of overlap. I do not think we need to split any categories for Tongan people by century at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Government of the People's Republic of China

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:49, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Both these categories appear to be for identical purposes. All of the entries are for the PRC not any other form of China. Per WP:Commonname, we don't use formal names of countries. Categories like these with the formal names are overcat and are unnecessary subcats. One category can suffice.

Ping participants from previous and similar discussions. QuietHere, Mclay1, Omnis Scientia, Marcocapelle, Place Clichy, and Justus Nussbaum. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:27, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiCleanerMan please stop pinging for every one of these. I don't even know what previous discussion I participated in and have nothing to contribute here. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:47, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National symbols of the People's Republic of China

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:49, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Both these categories appear to be for identical purposes. All of the entries are for the PRC not any other form of China. Per WP:Commonname, we don't use formal names of countries. Categories like these with the formal names are overcat and are unnecessary subcats. One category can suffice.

Ping participants from previous and similar discussions. QuietHere, Mclay1, Omnis Scientia, Marcocapelle, Place Clichy, and Justus Nussbaum. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:24, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Suicides in the People's Republic of China

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Both these categories appear to be for identical purposes. All of the entries are for the PRC not any other form of China. Per WP:Commonname, we don't use formal names of countries. Categories like these with the formal names are overcat and are unnecessary subcats. One category can suffice.

Also, Category:Suicides in the Republic of China are entries who committed suicide in China not ROC/Taiwan. There is a separate Category:Suicides in Taiwan that does not conflate or intersect with these two China categories.

Ping participants from previous and similar discussions. QuietHere, Mclay1, Omnis Scientia, Marcocapelle, Place Clichy, and Justus Nussbaum. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Eastern Romance people

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category is largely used as a category for predominantly Eastern Romance-speaking ethnic groups rather than for individuals. Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:37, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Jabara Award

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
Each year, at the commencement of the United States Air Force Academy, five awards are issued including the Jabara Award for the student whose best at aerospace vehicles. At the time, this award is probably defining for this promising young graduate ... but Wikipedia doesn't have articles on promising young graduates. By the time these people are notable enough for an article (as generals, astronauts, heroes, etc.) this award is reduced to a passing reference. The main article already lists the winners for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pickleball Hall of Fame

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
The category consists almost entirely of redirects that point to Pickleball Hall of Fame. Having a category that just repeatedly points to the main article doesn't aid reader navigation. (There are also 3 biography articles which are already categorized in other pickleball cats and the award doesn't seem defining.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pickleball people from Missouri

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT
This category only contains 1 redirect which is already well categorized. We have tons of sportspeople categories by U.S. state, of course, but so far we only have 29 articles nationwide on America pickleball players. (As a relatively new sport growing in popularity, I could foresee eventually diffusing, but we're just not there yet.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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