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Problematic chronology
editHi all,
I just spotted this sentence (May 2022): "From 373 to 370, it was in continual war against Rome or her allies, and was defeated by Cincinnatus."
There's a problem here that may boil over to the preceding sentences. Cincinnatus was 5th c. B.C.E. figure, and dead for around 60 years before 373. So somehow this chronology needs to be worked out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.128.203.121 (talk) 04:53, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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– The composer Palestrina seems like a far more likely principal search term (and I was in fact surprised not to end up directly on that page while typing the name). Compare with Tivoli, Lazio. ~2026-27803-90 (talk) 15:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 1isall (talk | contribs) 20:51, 8 May 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 03:05, 16 May 2026 (UTC)
- All-time mass views indicate the composer generally attracts a substantially higher readership. WikiNav view of clickstreams shows the links to him from here to be second most common. The hatnote link to Palestina is #4, too. Monthly page views of these pages indicate that the pattern is generally consistent, and the biography got all the biggest spikes. The most recent patterns are a bit strange - the search engine algorithms changed somehow? For the average English reader, there's probably no reason to prefer the place over the person, it seems genuinely ambiguous. (Support) --Joy (talk) 11:19, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose: I think the long-term significance of Palestrina, which is also what the composer is named after, outweighs the higher readership of a partial title match in this case. ⹃Maltazarian ᚾparleyinvestigateᛅ 10:29, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
- Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is not some random hillbilly but one of the most influential composers of the 16th-century, and his name is very frequently shortened to simply the last word, "Palestrina" (as with [Wolfgang Amadeus] Mozart, [Johann Sebastian] Bach, [Ludwig van] Beethoven; and pretty much every single music composer in history unless you need to distinguish between two members of the same family). Googling "Palestrina" in any case yields pages of results almost entirely related to the composer and his music... The eponymous city, however older than the composer it may be, doesn't appear to be that well known in comparison and in fact much of the content, as even on this article, seems to be related to ancient history, when it was called Praeneste, so keeping it at "Palestrina" under claims of long-term significance will lead to more people like me surprised that I didn't just end up on, as expected, the composer's page... Compare also with French Wikipedia where this page is at fr:Palestrina (Italie) (disambiguation at fr:Palestrina) or German where it is respectively de:Palestrina (Latium)/de:Palestrina. ~2026-29674-07 (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
- Hmm. I hear you, and after looking into it a bit further and reevaluating I'm changing my stance to Support. ⹃Maltazarian ᚾparleyinvestigateᛅ 00:47, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
- Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is not some random hillbilly but one of the most influential composers of the 16th-century, and his name is very frequently shortened to simply the last word, "Palestrina" (as with [Wolfgang Amadeus] Mozart, [Johann Sebastian] Bach, [Ludwig van] Beethoven; and pretty much every single music composer in history unless you need to distinguish between two members of the same family). Googling "Palestrina" in any case yields pages of results almost entirely related to the composer and his music... The eponymous city, however older than the composer it may be, doesn't appear to be that well known in comparison and in fact much of the content, as even on this article, seems to be related to ancient history, when it was called Praeneste, so keeping it at "Palestrina" under claims of long-term significance will lead to more people like me surprised that I didn't just end up on, as expected, the composer's page... Compare also with French Wikipedia where this page is at fr:Palestrina (Italie) (disambiguation at fr:Palestrina) or German where it is respectively de:Palestrina (Latium)/de:Palestrina. ~2026-29674-07 (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support per nom, no PRIMARYTOPIC. I don't think the long-term significance argument applies here since the writer is from the 1500s.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support, but how is Tivoli, Lazio not the primary topic for Tivoli? Srnec (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- That's a bit off-topic here, but a naive guess would be because of the several locations known as the Tivoli Gardens, the Jardin de Tivoli, &c, which are named after those of the Villa d'Este (which is in the "original" Tivoli) but which probably isn't a clear-cut primary topic? Pageviews suggest the Danish Tivoli Gardens get significantly more traffic... Anyways that's an argument for some other time and place. ~2026-29997-39 (talk) 03:49, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- Per WP:DPT, we can see in the WikiNav view of clickstreams at Tivoli how readers react there: ~35% viewers go to the town in Lazio, ~25% go to the other topics, and ~40% are unaccounted for. That pattern does not indicate a situation of a primary topic by usage, so a discussion at Talk:Tivoli would be advised to ponder long-term significance instead. --Joy (talk) 06:30, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- That's a bit off-topic here, but a naive guess would be because of the several locations known as the Tivoli Gardens, the Jardin de Tivoli, &c, which are named after those of the Villa d'Este (which is in the "original" Tivoli) but which probably isn't a clear-cut primary topic? Pageviews suggest the Danish Tivoli Gardens get significantly more traffic... Anyways that's an argument for some other time and place. ~2026-29997-39 (talk) 03:49, 19 May 2026 (UTC)