Talk:Lily Golden

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden, born to an interracial couple from the United States but unable to return there due to racism, finally reunited with her relatives there in the 1980s? Source: Bertha Golden and Lily had planned to return to United States, but due to World War II and Bertha’s lingering fears of racism in the United States, they never left Uzbekistan. + "I am very happy, not only because this is the first time I met some of the Goldens and Bialeks, but because I think this is very historical for blacks and Jews to meet like this," said Golden
  • ALT1: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden researched Abkhazians of African descent and contemporary Black music despite her academic research being ideologically controlled? Source: Every effort was made to direct Golden's scholarship into proper ideological channels and to frustrate her dissertation on the cultural contributions of African music ... she found avenues and loopholes by which she could conduct independent research on the little-known native black population of Abkhazia as well as on officially disapproved forms of modern black music.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chiu Yuh-chuan
  • Comments: While someone else moved this to mainspace, it was only because I submitted it myself in AFC, so I'm naming myself as the mover.

Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 61 past nominations.

ミラP@Miraclepine 18:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: This does have promise. It's new, of sufficient length, neutral, and well-sourced without plagiarism. However, I do feel the hooks could be rewritten to be clearer and more concise to be more interesting to a broad audience. Lazman321 (talk) 21:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Lazman321: I added what should be enough clarity, but this is the clearest and shortest I could do without losing their hookiness.

• ALT0A: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden, born to an interracial couple from the United States, finally reunited with her relatives there decades after being unable to return due to racism? Source: Same as ALT0
• ALT0B: ... that academic Lily Golden, born to an American interracial couple, finally reunited with her American relatives decades after being unable to leave the Soviet Union due to racism? Source: Same as ALT0
• ALT1A: ... that Lily Golden researched "officially disapproved" genres of contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research in the Soviet Union? Source: Same as ALT1
• ALT1B: ... that Lily Golden researched contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research in the Soviet Union? Source: Same as ALT1
• ALT1C: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden researched "officially disapproved" genres of contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research? Source: Same as ALT1
• ALT1D: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden researched contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research? Source: Same as ALT1

Hope that help, ミラP@Miraclepine 23:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm in favor of ALT0B and ALT1C. Lazman321 (talk) 01:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing

@Miraclepine, @Lazman321, could you share some thoughts on why you consider blackpast.org a reliable source? A previous discussion seemed to indicate that they are generally unreliable, and in this specific case, the page appears to be cited to africana.ru (does not appear reliable), and a blog post on a random blog. Given how much the article relies on the blackpast.org citation, this does not seem sufficient for DYK to me. —Ganesha811 (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ganesha811: Thanks for the heads up. Okay, I looked, and it appears I bizarrely overlooked the issue. My mistake; I somehow thought they were reliable. At the least Africana.ru has an editorial staff/board (mentioned a few times on the home page; you'll need to GT since it's in Russian), and their founder/editor-in-chief Igor Sid (in addition to his work on geopoetics) is an Africanist who's been cited for writing on Africa in some academic books and, if the ruwiki page has anything to say, also edited several magazines/curated some exhibitions on Africa, so I'm inclined to vouch for their reliability. Not sure on the Afro-Europe international Blog other than the fact they wrote for the Baltimore Afro-American. I'm busy atm, but I'll look closer and remove the BlackPast refs at the least. ミラP@Miraclepine 18:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ganesha811: On second thought, the Afro-Europe ref is pretty much the same as the New African article "A golden example: the history of Lily Golden, a Russian African-American professor of history, is an inspiration to those fighting against supremacists worldwide", available at Gale thru TWL. I'm using that also. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for planning the improvements - the New African seems reliable enough. —Ganesha811 (talk) 00:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ganesha811: You're welcome. I have removed all unreliable BlackPast refs and can vouch for africana.ru reliability. Should be enough. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

If you have access, there is also this article in African American National Biography. Mellk (talk) 14:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

If you don't have access, the WP:Wikipedia Library may help you access this and other resources. —Ganesha811 (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)