Talk:Heraldry

Marshalling (heraldry)

Hello, it would be nice, if the aspect of Marshalling (heraldry) can get an own article. There is already a page in wikidata and Media related to Marshalling in heraldry at Wikimedia Commons which could be then linked more effectively. Regards -- W like wiki ^{good to know} 22:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

"Puzzle arms"

I can't find any use of this term except on this page. I've looked at the citations and they don't seem to use the term at all. It looks like this term was introduced in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heraldry&diff=prev&oldid=708285686. Does anyone know more about the origin of this term? Glasserc (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @P Aculeius, as I'd like to know also. Remsense ‥ 论 02:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I was "puzzled" myself when I could not find the phrase in Fox-Davies, Bouttell, Franklyn, or Woodward just now—but it's on page 87 of Neubecker, which IMO is one of the best "modern" books on the subject. I may have inadvertently missed citing Neubecker here because it was for a point found in all treatises (though the phrase is from Neubecker), or because the page number duplicated that of one of the other sources cited for the paragraph. P Aculeius (talk) 04:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The usual term (meaning: the term that I remember seeing) is armes à enquérir. —Tamfang (talk) 00:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I assume the term "puzzle" here is meant in the sense of "puzzling", i.e. peculiar, not immediately justifiable. Is enquérir a verb that has an equivalent sense here? Remsense ‥ 论 00:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It means, roughly, "provoking inquiry". —Tamfang (talk) 04:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Since Neubecker probably wrote in German, "puzzle" may be a literal translation, though it makes sense in English. P Aculeius (talk) 04:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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This article does exist in Persian. Click the "languages" button at the top of the page to see a list. I can't tell you how good the Persian language version is, since I can't read it myself. However, Google Translate did a decent job of rendering your comment in English, so maybe you can use it to help you read the English contents in Persian. P Aculeius (talk) 17:37, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

"Heraldic" vs "Heraldric"

Why the former and not the latter? What English language rule causes the "r" to be dropped in adjective form? I do see the latter form being used on some websites. RedWolf (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, with a bit of googling I can find the word "heraldric", but it's illiterate and wrong. All serious and authoritative sources use the word "heraldic". As for why, it's from the French word "héraldique", which is both a noun meaning "heraldry" and an adjective meaning, er, "heraldic". GrindtXX (talk)

I've never even seen "heraldric" before. I assume that because both "heraldic" and "heraldry" are derived from "herald", it wouldn't make any sense for "heraldic" to include an 'r' from "heraldry". P Aculeius (talk) 02:17, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

I have heard people say “heraldric” … —Antonissimo (talk) 00:33, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

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Those who need to know the difference between fess point and honour point, or vair and vairy and potenty, or murrey and gules can read Blazon (and follow links from there); belaboring them here is likely to bore both the newcomer and the buff. —Antonissimo (talk) 00:33, 30 April 2026 (UTC)