Talk:Guts World Tour

Continents

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I think world tour dates should be divided into continents from now on. Otherwise people wouldn't know which continent a certain country is in. 170.212.0.133 (talk) 19:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

See MOS:DTAB. If we used continents, the table would then not be consistent with the Manual of Style. So, it'll have to be a negative. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I've always wondered, why England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are always split up instead of listing them as a whole as United Kingdom? I haven't read something to clarify this question (perhaps because I haven't searched properly) 2806:2F0:7080:31EF:786E:D1C1:EDC5:98E (talk) 20:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Concerts#England, Scotland, etc. vs UK. HorrorLover555 (talk) 12:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Crumbl Cookie Promotion

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I think it's interesting how Crumbl Cookie sponsored the tour by selling a Guts Cookie in the town Rodrigo would be performing in. You guys should put it in the promotion section of the article, but I can't, 'cause I'm too lazy, you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tronfa (talk • contribs) 02:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Already done HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Should festival appearances be here?

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Now that the Sydney concerts are over and the movie is out, I'm seeing a lot of press from Olivia saying that the tour is over excluding obviously the Manchester shows, which to me makes me feel that these festivals that have been included aren't really a part of the tour. What's the argument to include them? orangesclub 🍊 05:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Oscarozzi. My argument is if the festivals are provided with a source that state that they are "part of the tour", then they should be included. Usually, festivals are included in most concert tour articles and are within the range of the tour. Being that there are now sources that the tour has wrapped up, this may be a case that we don't necessarily need them, except for the rescheduled Manchester shows in mid-2025. We can keep the Manchester shows, as they are sourced and noted as rescheduled dates from the tour. HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's a difficult case. Obviously the Manchester dates belong to the tour so those can be kept. In this article from Billboard: https://www.billboard.com/business/touring/olivia-rodrigo-guts-tour-behind-the-scenes-cover-story-1235808631/, there is a part that states " The GUTS tour featured more than double the number of dates as her Sour trek while traveling to four continents (South America will become the fifth in March 2025)". Meaning with that source we can use it for the main article. However, Olivia and multiple other sources stated that Guts Tour officially ended. So it's really conflicting. I'm happy with keeping it as is right now considering the festival appearances are moved to a different Olivia wikipedia article aswell. Oscarozzi (talk) 15:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The festivals appear at the official website of the Guts World Tour alongside the two Manchester shows, so those shouldn't be erased. Bichota B (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

My issue is that Wikipedia isn't just a transcription of another website, and there's other conflicting information that indicates that these dates aren't a part of the tour. The festivals aren't on the tour merchandise , and I wouldn't expect the shows to be the same length, or have the same setlist and staging as the tour dates, so it feels inaccurate to call them a part of the tour. Also the festival in Mexico isn't on the website you linked, so are we removing it based on that? orangesclub 🍊 21:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do a quick both sides approach.

Reasons to include the festival dates:

• They are on the Guts tour website
• They have been mentioned by Billboard as being part of a "Latin American" leg of the tour

Reasons to not include the festival dates:

• The Guts tour website it simply dates embedded from Seated, which is a system that does not distinguish between shows put on by artists and festival appearances
• The Billboard article does not quantify why the festivals are considered the South American leg; it absolutely could be information coming from this very article
• Olivia has indicated that the tour is over (excl Manchester)
• The festival dates are 6 months after the conclusion of the standard run of shows (excl Manchester)
• The cited announcements for these festivals do not mention Guts or Guts tour at all, even as a promotional tactic

And that isn't including that it isn't feasible for the same "show" to be put on in a festival setting, with the moon set, staging, etc. She has a relatively small discography so I expect some crossover in setlist but I'd expect a shuffled and reduced total setlist. I doubt she will even say "welcome to the Guts Tour" or anything like that, but we're approaching WP:CRYSTALBALL territory. orangesclub 🍊 02:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

For this case, we should wait until the South American shows, and see if she mentions the "Guts Tour" during them, though it'll be left for the reviews to source on that. So yes, I agree with you. Until there are sources for the South American shows: WP:CRYSTAL. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I would also like to note that the official website which editors have been citing now differentiates between the tour (Manc dates) and festival appearances (everything else) . I'd say this conversation can be closed, with any new shows being appropriately sorted into List of Olivia Rodrigo live performances. orangesclub 🍊 01:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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I think the festival shows should be added to the GUTS World Tour: Spilled dates, since she's doing the festivals at the same time and, probably, with the same setlist. And also, it would be great to have Olivia's participation in these festivals registered in here.

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Suggestion Guilherme bacp (talk) 02:26, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

The official Olivia Rodrigo website lists the Spilled tour apart from the festivals: see here

I think the discussion towards said topic is very clear and festivals should not be added (despite the fact that, as you can see, I initially supported the idea of adding those dates as well), so please do not add that information again. Bichota B (talk) 02:44, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

After and even before the Chile date, the account of livieshq on Instagram posted in their stories fan photos of the show with the hashtag #GUTSWorldTourSpilled which right now are still up and you can visit (livieshq page on instagram). They also around 20 minutes ago since i started writing this, made a post with the caption:

"The faces of #LollaCL #GUTSWorldTourSpilled"

Confirming again, festivals are a part of the tour. And now, my point is, this dates we're, since the announcement, promoted with the Guts font, neither Olivia or her team have made clear these are not part of the tour, the fact that in her page the festivals and the solo shows are separated, doesn't confirm anything, as tours can actually include festivals and in the music and live scene things are changing constantly and lastly you don't have to completely close your mind because you're not considering everything i have said above, which is information you can search for yourself. Poto 1943 (talk) 16:13, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not closing my mind, but if the official page listing the festivals and the solo shows separately doesn't confirm anything, neither does it an instagram publication with a hashtag from livies hq. Bichota B (talk) 16:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

There was a discussion that was done already on this, see above. A consensus was reached to place the festival dates into the article List of Olivia Rodrigo live performances per User:Orangesclub. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

As above, I don't see the benefit of putting festival appearances here. The setlist, outfits and staging are all different. Her website distinguishes tour dates and festival dates. The festival appearances are all listed over at List of Olivia Rodrigo live performances. It's natural that some publications use her highly publicised tour and album to promote festival appearances, but I'm not convinced that we need to merge them based on nothing but WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. orangesclub 🍊 23:52, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree. The discussion was made already, and I don't think anything needs to changed. HorrorLover555 (talk) 03:25, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree as well. In my mind, it might make sense to include the festivals (at least from Latin America for now) if the setlist—and the entire performance—is similar between the solo shows in Curitiba and Mexico and the Lollapalooza in general. In the meantime, we should add a notice (perhaps something more attention-grabbing) about avoiding changes to the dates section in this article. Brunao pereira (talk) 12:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I disagree with including the Latin American festivals, as the festival performances are often not billed by the artist/labels as part of the tour. Secondary sources makes an clear distinction on that, and if there are no secondary sources that distinguish on those shows explicitly being part of the tour, then they should not be included. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Exactly, and without trying to sound rude or close-minded, I would still support the idea of not adding the festival run to the tour despite the setlist end up being not only similar but the same.

@Poto 1943 mentioned the livieshq page on Instagram posting some stories with hashtags referring to the Lollapalooza Chile performance as part of the tour, but to be completely honest, the official website listing festivals separately from the Guts World Tour itself is just a main example of how those dates should be excluded per the consensus reached and closed above by @Orangesclub.—WeNeverGoOutOfStyle (talk) 16:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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Controversy

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Per WP:CSECTION, we should avoid having a section purely titled "controversy" to maintain a neutral point of view. I have been thinking but I'm not sure what we can rename it to, and honestly I'm not sure it's entirely encyclopedic that a couple of fans were upset at her terminology in an Instagram post per WP:NOTGOSSIP and WP:NOTNEWS. If we're keeping it, can we rename it? orangesclub 🍊 01:21, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Having looked at the section, I don't think it is encyclopedic for inclusion either, as a small controversy over a venue/stadium barely scratches the surface. If it were more controversial, then we would see multiple news sources and/or multiple third-party reliable sources covering on it. HorrorLover555 (talk) 13:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

The "controversy" has not been covered by any foreign source, but it has been by (of course) many prominent Brazilian portals such as CBN, Rolling Stone Brasil, Diáro do Grande ABC, Jovem Pan, R7 and Capricho. It seems that in Brazil it is indeed a controversy, but looking it from the outside it is just a little miscaption. In my opinion, the section should be kept but renamed to Instagram post debate and moved forward as a sub-section to Critical reception, perhaps (?) Bichota B (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

I can concur on that compromise, though we should wait for more comment. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I changed its name from "Curitiba show" to "Instagram post" controversy since it sounded way too drastic for what actually is. If I'm being honest, I have edited and worked on that section just because it was sourced, I don't know if it can be considered as encyclopedic so I didn't delete it (apparently in Brazil it was a huge deal). - Bezarista Number One (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Pinging Oscarozzi to this discussion for further comment. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I do not think it is very necessary to include a controversy topic over such a small thing especially when it did not affect anything on a big global scale either... so it is therefore NOT controversial in my opinion nor worthy to have it's own little thing in the article. I think in my opinion it is best not to include it or if you include it put it under critical reception but not as it's own thing. It is just a very petty drama thing in my eyes over anything really. Oscarozzi (talk) 08:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Same. I don't think it is controversial nor notable enough. So yes, looks like fan drama to me as well. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

I agree, I think it should be removed really. If it blows up in the future, sure, but it's very pedantic drama. orangesclub 🍊 03:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

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Tour ended just now.

Could ongoing be turned into was since it is no longer happening? TheBladdestSwiftOffical (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Festival appearances

Looking at some recent sourcing, it looks like there's a lot of coverage including the festival shows as part of the tour. I think it warrants inclusion into the article now.

Billboard: "Olivia Rodrigo capped off her global Guts tour over the weekend" (8/5)

Consequence: "Rodrigo has just one stop left on her “GUTS World Tour”: a headlining appearance at Montreal’s Osheaga Music Festival on Sunday night." (8/1)

People: "She then wrapped her GUTS tour shows when she played Osheaga Festival in Montreal on Aug. 1 and 3." (8/4)

ABC News: "Rodrigo, currently on her GUTS World Tour, performed a mix of fan favorites" (8/2)

SI: "The Grammy Award-winning pop artist officially ended her GUTS World Tour this past weekend with an epic performance at the 2025 Osheaga Festival in Montreal, Canada" (8/4)

Exclaim!: "Last night's Osheaga set marked Rodrigo's final show of the GUTS tour and concluded the longest festival run in a calendar year by an artist." (8/4)

Parade: "Following Lollapalooza, Rodrigo wrapped her GUTS tour shows when she played Osheaga Festival in Montreal, Canada on August 3." (8/4)

Rodrigo herself said "my last weekend of the GUTS tour" (8/4) and "I'm feeling especially nostalgic tonight considering it's the last show of the Guts Tour." (8/4)

Pinging people from the previous discussions: @Orangesclub @Oscarozzi @HorrorLover555 @Bichota B @Guilherme bacp @Poto 1943 @Brunao pereira @WeNeverGoOutOfStyle मल्ल (talk) 19:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

I don't really see the benefit of adding in the festival performances into the tour when there is already an article that covers on that, as even her website distinguishes both tour dates and festival dates - and it is natural to see publications use her tour and album to promote any festivals that she would be performing. To be honest, well I don't think anything really needs to be added at this point unless there is further comment from the others tagged. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:43, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

I don't see why a distinction on her website is that important when reliable sources, and Rodrigo herself, include the festival appearances as part of the tour, and it's not really promotional when most of the sources mentioned were written after the festivals concluded. It's also not a problem to have some similar content in two articles. मल्ल (talk) 15:44, 11 August 2025 (UTC)