Talk:Glam rock

Wizzard

Could Wizzard be added to the list of performers mentioned in the second paragraph?Vorbee (talk) 16:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Suzi Quatro

The second paragraph mentions Lou Reed and Alice Cooper as "the only American artists to score a hit in the UK". But Suzi Quaro went to number 1 in the UK with Can the Can. So it seems unfair to exclude her from this. She's mentioned in the next sentence but she unquestionably was an American artist to have a hit in the UK. 179.232.51.112 (talk) 11:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Similarly, Sparks' album Kimono My House reached the number 4 spot on the UK Albums Chart, with the single This Town Ain't Big Enough for Both of Us hitting number 2. on the UK Singles Chart. It feels highly misleading to suggest there were only two American Glam artists to find reach that level of acclaim in the UK. RegionalsAtMost (talk) 06:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I had exactly the same thought. It presently reads "In the United States, the scene was much less prevalent, with Alice Cooper and Lou Reed the only American artists to score a hit in the UK. Other American glam artists include New York Dolls, Sparks, Suzi Quatro, Iggy Pop and Jobriath." This doesn't make sense since Suzi Quatro had several big hits in the UK. I think I'll just go ahead and edit it ...

The "Subgenre" term in the lead

Woovee has a problem with saying rock subgenres are subgenres for some reason. Anyway. first main thing was adding that glitter rock was an AKA or at least the original term for glam rock, which is encompassed by this article by the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2020/jun/22/glitter-and-curls-marc-bolan-and-the-birth-of-glam-rock-style Aradicus77 (talk) 03:02, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

• There isn't a sentence with the "Subgenre" term in this source of the Guardian. Per wp:undue weight "Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all". Per Undue weight, it is basically said it is wrong to give readers as 1st information in the lead... a minority view. Glam rock music experts and biographers, Paul Trynka + David Buckley (Bowie's), Mark Paytress (Bolan's), Simon Reynolds used the term "subgenre" for Glam rock. Per undue weight also advances that a minority view can be included in the body. 
• No huge changes in the lead without the consensus of many many users . User Aradicus77 has been pushing their own vision on every music genre article for weeks, having a new obsession for the "Subgenre" word and they have been sneaking that 'Subgenre' term in the lead of many music genres articles., basing on minorities views. Woovee (talk) 04:09, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  You don't WP:OWN the article, Woovee.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 13:14, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  Google "glam rock" "subgenre" on Google Books and look at how many results show up. I think your issues with this particular editor have got you digging in your heels. Let it go.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 13:25, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  On that note, I'm getting multiple book hits for "glitter rock" as another name for glam rock.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 13:27, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  I hope with the reply Woovee has delivered towards you at the moment you see what my problem with him has been for the last few months. Aradicus77 (talk) 18:36, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Aradicus77: again ; where is the sentence in the Guardian source about Bolan, mentioning the 'subgenre' term. Woovee (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  You don't own it either @3family6:

  You can't ask someone to find quotes on google for you. If you want to include new facts, you do the job, you find sources. You select them. And you add it a sentence with a quote with "...." on wikipedia.

  As a reader, I didn't see the word subgenre in the source of The Guardian about Marc Bolan selected by @Aradicus77:. You have to copy paste that sentence with the subgenre term off the Guardian source and include it in the body first.

  The reader has to find the information easily. The reader has to see the subgenre term in the body with a quote and a source. Remember lead guideline. Facts have to be edited in the body first. Then per due / undue weight, facts in the body will be mentioned in the lead. Not the other way around. Woovee (talk) 18:34, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Woovee The Guardian sources supports the "glitter rock" claim. That Gothic rock is a rock sub genre is not a contested fact except solely by you. It does not need an explicit citation. Verifiability does not mean that every single sentence in article needs a direct citation.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 18:55, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @3family6:

  "Glitter rock" was not challenged here. Why do you digress?

  Both you and @Aradicus77: claimed the subgenre term was present in the article.

  Once again, either you admitted it was inaccurate you did a mistake or you prove the Subgenre term is in the Guardian source and include the quote in our article. Woovee (talk) 19:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  Twisting words again, no one claimed that. 3family6 has just told you that claims which are not widely contested do not need an explicit citation. Verifiability does not mean that every single sentence in article needs a direct citation. See WP:WHENNOTCITE. Aradicus77 (talk) 19:08, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Woovee I never claimed that the subgenre term was present in the article. And you reverted the addition of glitter rock, so that is what I'm referring to regarding it being challenged.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 19:48, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @3family6

  That is inaccurate. I didn't revert the mention of Glitter rock as it was present in the lead.

  The title of this section is titled "the subgenre term in the lead".

  Again like for the post-punk article, you and Aradicus77 have to add quotes with sources in the body advancing glam rock is a "Subgenre". Woovee (talk) 20:13, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Woovee you might not have mentioned glitter rock but you reverted its addition.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 20:15, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Woovee The very first sentence in characteristics, supported by citation 9 (which is published by Routledge), says that Gothic Rock is a fashion as well as a subgenre of music.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 01:00, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

  I had seen that too but this talk is to discuss about Glam.

  So which sources do you suggest to include in this article for the "subgenre" claim. Two is a minimum.

  @3family6 Woovee (talk) 01:30, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Woovee my bad, that was a typo, I'm referring to this article. Have you read through the article? There's a book published by Routledge supporting the statement that it's a fashion and a subgenre. So that citation that you want is there.

  Two is a minimum This is exactly the WP:OWN behavior that multiple editors have told you that you are exhibiting. You are arbitrarily dictating what standards must be accepted, rather than working with community consensus.

  What's happening here is that you are so jaded by your interactions with Aradicus77 (and apparently others), that you aren't even reading the article content or accurately summarizing other editors' as well as your own edits.-3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 15:31, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

  An article's talk page is not a wp:forum. Woovee (talk) 19:43, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

  It's not, which is why my remarks are specifically about this article topic, and your interactions with another editor regarding this specific topic area (post-punk and gothic and glam rock).--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 12:16, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

To the attention of editors:

User Aradicus77 has added this week the information about "subgenre" in the lead based on the Guardian source about Bolan

User 3family6 then reintroduced the subgenre term based on Aradicus77 edit and their source.

But the subgenre term is not mentioned in the source.

They both don't have a wp:consensus. Woovee (talk) 19:22, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

@Woovee "subgenre" = style = type. Gothic rock is rock music --3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 00:15, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

I did ''not'' restore subgenre based on that source. I restored that source being used for glitter rock. And I also restored the "subgenre" term, because that's what glam rock is - a rock subgenre. 3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 12:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC)