Talk:Chechnya

Are Chechens pontics or GREEKS or Romans?

answear me please are Chechens GREEKS or pontics GREEKS or Turkish people?? 2A02:85F:F863:A7FE:9404:254C:60F:BD8 (talk) 19:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

No Leofisha (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

This is not an appropriate comment for the Wikipedia comments, you can easily look this up, Chechens are North Caucasians, specifically Vainakhs. ~2025-37619-50 (talk) 07:11, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Add info to government section of the infobox

I think we should change "Parliament of the Chechen Republic" to "Parliament of the Chechen Republic under an authoritarian dictatorship", or even "under a totalitarian dictatorship", as that what it is pretty much is!

I thought I would put it here for consideration by you, so I don't waste my time making an edit that could be reverted Sickminecraft45 (talk) 10:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for investing the effort of contributing your opinion. Now the only thing you need to provide is a published, reliable, secondary source that can be cited to validate your opinion, and we can get the ball rolling. Nom de vileplume (talk) 01:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

https://neweasterneurope.eu/2024/12/15/chechnyas-instability-implications-for-russia-and-the-eu/

https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/2021-10/2021%20Chechnya%20Issue%20Update.pdf

Are these good enough to label it as an Authoritarian Regime? Sickminecraft45 (talk) 08:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I think that you should add it to the Politics section, something along the lines of "Kadyrov's government has been described as an authoritarian or totalitarian."

These sources (the US government agency and a Polish think-tank) are not ideal, you'd want to use scholarly source. However I don't think anyone seriously doubts that Kadyrov's government is authoritarian. Alaexis_¿question? 07:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure why we are even using Template:Infobox settlement and not Template:Infobox Russian federal subject. IIRC there was an account that changed the infoboxes on the pages about the republics a couple years ago, but this was never reverted. Mellk (talk) 09:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I have restored the original infobox since we already have a dedicated template. I mistakenly thought the current infobox was added by the sock Katify but it was actually changed by Wikijahnn who made these changes and disappeared entirely. I now remember starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia and someone else agreed that these infobox changes should be reverted but this did not happen. Mellk (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello @Mellk, I can see that my edit focusing on the government type was reverted since "autonomous presidential republic" is also contradictory and neither supported by the source nor body and that having government type aren't allowed for federal subjects. You are entitled to your opinion per being bold, but this is where I am going to politely disagree with you.

Let have a look at the first claim: see template documentation, we do not include the "government type" for subdivisions;. When I went to Template:Infobox Russian federal subject, clicked Ctrl + F, and typed in "Government", I was't able to find any sort of information that said government_type = shouldn't be filled in (in fact, I couldn't even find in the list of parameters in general). I did the same action for what I would assume to be the inspiration for Infobox Russian federal subject, Template:Infobox settlement, and did find that government_type = was listed but with no note about not using it.

For the second claim: "autonomous presidential republic" is also contradictory and neither supported by the source nor body, I disagree with that statement as the source listed alongside it was covering about the government of Chechnya, affirming the "authoritiarian dictatorship" section. As Chechnya is a republic of Russia (whom are autonomous,) it might be a candidate for being classified as a republic despite being subnational (see Republic#Sub-national_republics.) Additionally, Chechnya being presidential has indeed been mentioned in the article at Chechnya#Politics, with the excerpt being:

Chechnya, under the current 2003 constitution, operates under a presidential system. Proposals for a parliamentary system was rejected as it was seen to be as "inconsistent with the overall [Russian] constitutional field." but was still supported by Beslan Gantamirov, former Mayor of Grozny.

So I do believe that having a government type is justified as the parameter didn't have any sort of notice or wasn't deprecated and that being a presidential republic has been mentioned in the article itself.

GuesanLoyalist (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2026 (UTC) GuesanLoyalist (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Russian federal subject is a wrapper for Template:Infobox settlement so the same fields will work, but it is not included here for a reason since we are dealing with Russian subdivisions (hence none of the other infoboxes have "government_type" included). Even if we look at the documentation for Template:Infobox settlement, for "government_type" the following examples are given: Mayor–council government, Council–manager government, City commission government.

Also, Chechnya no longer has a president; the office is called head of the Chechen Republic and "presidential system" is used when referring to countries. The source is from 2002 where it says the proposed constitution "envisages a presidential, not a parliamentary republic". "Autonomous" is also not directly supported because although the republics in theory have autonomy, they are under the tight control of the federal government thanks to many years of policies aimed at centralization. This is also why it does not make sense to include the level of democracy in the infobox for subdivisions (Russia as a whole is authoritarian and Chechnya is no exception). The level of democracy also does not belong under government type. Mellk (talk) 08:46, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

• for "government_type" the following examples are given: Mayor–council government, Council–manager government, City commission government: This is usually meant for cities but Chechnya is way larger with its government being more broader with regional powers, so the type of government would be more complex then just Mayor-council government.
• Also, Chechnya no longer has a president; the office is called head of the Chechen Republic and "presidential system" is used when referring to countries: You dont need to have a head of state/government be called president in order to have a presidential system, the reason on why it's called a presidential system in the first place is because it is a quite common name for officeholders. Additionally, a presidential system can be implemented by a subnational unit, something similar happens with Parliamentary_republics_with_an_executive_presidency#Sub-national_level.
  • The source is from 2002 where it says the proposed constitution "envisages a presidential, not a parliamentary republic": I found a source from the Council of Europe talking about Chechnya having a presidential system and suggesting a parliamentary system instead, so I hope you might like that one.
• "Autonomous" is also not directly supported because although the republics in theory have autonomy, they are under the tight control of the federal government thanks to many years of policies aimed at centralization.: This is where I would see your point, I would want to compromise with adding "Nominally autonomous" instead (like what I did at Talk:Gilgit-Baltistan#Infobox_government_type_section). Would you say that you are planning to be very hardline or open to compromise about it?

GuesanLoyalist (talk) 09:26, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Do we include "government_type" in the infoboxes for other subdivisions? Template:Infobox U.S. state is also a wrapper but it does not seem like good idea to include "government_type" here. State governments of the United States also does not say anything about state governments being structured as presidential systems so I am a bit wary on relying on uncited Wikipedia text. This may be true (in the sense that the structure is similar), but is it a good idea to simply write "presidential system" in the infobox?

The Council of Europe report is also from 2004. There have been significant changes to the political system since then. For instance, a law was passed that year removing direct elections of regional governors, including Chechnya (this was restored in 2012 but with some changes). A law was later passed so that regional governors could no longer have the title of president. By 2017, only Tatarstan had its leader still called president (this was later changed), although at this point there was no real federalism (this change was more symbolic, if anything). Yes, the title of president is not necessary but I think we need a much more recent source that simply states that Chechnya has a presidential system.

In any case, I think per MOS:IBP there is too much nuance that this needs to be explained in the body, not the infobox. Mellk (talk) 10:25, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

• For instance, a law was passed that year removing direct elections of regional governors, including Chechnya (this was restored in 2012 but with some changes).: The United States is still listed as a presidential republic even though the electoral college actually decides on who's becoming president. So you don't need a head of state to be directly elected through popular vote though.
• Yes, the title of president is not necessary but I think we need a much more recent source that simply states that Chechnya has a presidential system.: This source from March 2015 state that Chechnya has a presidential system, "After 2003, Russia’s central government copied the presidential system first devised in Chechnya and imposed it on Dagestan" and this one from March 2023 also mentions Dudayev building independent statehood in Chechnya; radicalisation of nationalist claims; introduction of presidential system; consolidation of Dudayev’s power; dissolution of Chechen parliament; beginning of armed opposition to Dudayev. Related processes:

I am open towards compromise if we aren't able to get this consensus one way or the other, but we could additionally get a WP:3O on this one if you want to? GuesanLoyalist (talk) 11:35, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

The governors were directly appointed by the president, so this is not really comparable (and we are talking about subdivisions, so why make the comparison with the federal government of the United States and not the state governments?). Does it make sense to include "presidential system" in the infoboxes of U.S. states?

Your first link also refers to what was done about Dagestan's constitution in 2003 (i.e. a similar constitution was adopted). Your second link refers to the introduction of the presidency in the breakaway state (not the federal subject) and I am not sure where this source comes from since this is just a table.

Is your suggestion for a compromise to simply include "presidential system" in the infobox? In my opinion it does not make sense to include "presidential system" here and not for any of the infoboxes for the other federal subjects. For this, I would suggest a project-wide discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia or to suggest including "government_type" on the template talk page. Mellk (talk) 11:57, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

We should probably move this to WikiProject Russia about this discussion, whether or not government_type = should be used. If there is consensus to do so, then I'll take the time to add the government_type = parameters on the rest of the other federal subjects. If not, then I'll leave it be.

Also I do apologise for the late reply since by the time that you replied, I was sleeping. Sorry! GuesanLoyalist (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

That's okay, no need to apologize. I would not consider that a late reply at all (and IRL matters are more important anyway). Mellk (talk) 10:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Garbled statistics

This anonymous edit changed some of the statistics relating to Islam without changing the source. It also left behind the following text: Significant percentages (over 5%) were found in(38.6%), Yamalia (17.4%), Astrakhan Oblast (14.6%), ... The 38.6% figure is orphaned. This inexcusably sloppy edit, uncorrected for over three years, leaves me with no confidence in the factual accuracy of the section. Hairy Dude (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

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