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I have wondered if Rachel's hate for Shane is because she hated the hockey player he was based on in real life.

i honestly dont know much about hockey, nor anything about crosby, but i doubt that her feelings came from there. the reality is that she created shane for ilya. the reason he is so unexplored is because he is essentially supposed to function as a self-insert for rachel. and then she also decided to make him half japanese for her own weird fetishes about asian men, and so her "hunky strong russian" could have a "small, submissive, and innocent" love interest.

it so ridiculously obvious to everyone that ilya is her favorite child, but somewhere along the way she lost any interest she even remotely had in shane as a character while also regretting where ilyas character was left after hr. and thus tlg was born, chalk full of whump for her favorite white boy to be mistreated by his autistic, poc boyfriend, a selfish, hockey obsessed brat that everyone should hate for not paying attention to ilya.

who knows, maybe something crosby did contributed to her hatred towards shane, but i think her dislike just festered over time. and well, she certainly wouldnt be the first author to uplift one character by tearing down the other

One of my issues with TLG is that we are receiving extremely contradictory messages with Shane and Ilya's emotional arcs.

Ilya's arc in that story is all about the fact that focusing on his relationship with Shane didn't bring him the happy ending he deserved - he has a boyfriend but no support system outside of Shane's parents and maybe a couple friends, and he needs to have a community, to expand his circle of true friendships (and the narrative ties his inability to do that with the closet/secretive nature of their relationship). The importance of mourning a professional setback is also a major part of Ilya's narrative: we see how deeply the Centaurs' losing streak is affecting his mental health and making him feel aimless and powerless. We also see that the team's losses are not happening due to lack of talent, but lack of chemistry on the ice (which brings us back to, once again, the importance of community building). To sum it up, Ilya needs to stop seeing Shane as his sole source of happiness, and he can only do that by being vulnerable with other people, and he can only be truly vulnerable by coming out of the closet.

And then we have Shane, who, at the surface, seems to be having it all: he is on a winning team that he's out to, he has his parents and a small but tight knit circle of friends. Shane, unlike Ilya, seems to have a good community around him. He is, however, extremely afraid that coming out to the world (and, most importantly, revealing his relationship with Ilya) will result in the loss of both his professional success and his current support system. And Shane's fears are portrayed as really silly at first - Shane's team and his friends already know about his queerness, so why is he moping and freaking out instead of helping his mom with dinner? Why is he so reluctant to tell his good friend JJ, who is an enthusiastic ally and is constantly trying to set him up with men, about his relationship with a man? It doesn't look like Shane will lose anything by coming out. So at this point the book is showing us that Shane's reluctance to live and love openly comes from a selfish, myopic desire to stay in his comfort zone.

And yeah...that seems like a coherent narrative, right? Ilya's rightful need to come out clashes with Shane's selfish need to hide, they have their big blow up fight, Shane regrets his shortcomings and apologises, Ilya apologises for not communicating, the weird almost plane crash happens, Shane gets scared, proposes and promises Ilya they will come out to everyone that summer. And they live happily ever after!

Right??

Yeah, the problem is that, instead of tying the narrative at this perfectly acceptable point, the book decides to surprise us with Shane and Ilya getting accidentally outed in a video. And the accidental outing results in every single one of Shane's silly little fears coming true. His supposedly cool team ostracizes him and, led by his very good friend JJ, straight up accuses him of cheating on games. His reputation gets completely trashed in the press. His public humiliation is so severe that he ends up deciding to leave his team and the city he lived in for his entire professional life. To sum it up, Shane basically loses a great portion of the community he had before he got outed. He now only has Ilya, his parents and a couple of friends.

And the thing is, this could have been a great plot beat if the book's point was to show us that queer people's need to stay in the closet doesn't always come from shame or selfishness, but from a valid fear of structural homophobia. The narrative could have shown us Ilya engaging in self reflection about how he underestimated Shane's feelings. The book could also have shown us that Shane, who is not only gay but also a man of color, faces harsher professional setbacks than white characters like Ilya and Scott, because hockey culture is not only queerphobic but also deeply racist. And last but not least, we could have actually seen, in detail, how Ilya and the Centaurs will provide Shane with the loving, accepting community he truly needs after his original teams' violent backlash.

We don't get any of that, though! Instead of following through on this logical conclusion, the book rushes through Shane's feelings and magically cures him from any hurt he might be feeling after this incredibly traumatic event. He reconciles with JJ but that happens off page. Ilya has next to no reaction to his boyfriend's public humiliation ritual; his first response is to make it about himself ("this is insulting to me!"). Then all of the emotional support we get is a sex scene and some really unfunny jokes. We never see Shane forming any kind of bond with any of the Ottawa Centaurs, so the reader has no idea if he's going to actually have friends on that team or if they are going to merely tolerate him for Ilya's sake. At the end of the book, Shane is almost at the same place Ilya was at the beginning: humbled and reeling after a major life change, mourning a professional loss, deprived of his original community. Unlike Ilya, though, we are told by the narrative that this is supposed to be a happy ending. Shane doesn't need to be the best in his line of work and he doesn't need to have his own separate circle of friends because now he has his husband's team and his husband's friends. He doesn't need to make his original salary because his husband is already rich. He can just borrow Ilya's social circle and Ilya's team and Ilya's life because it's wrong to focus on things that aren't his very sad boyfriend.

I'm sorry, but that's a very weird way to resolve this complex plotline for the 1 (one) hockey player of color on your roster of leads. But who cares, right? Ilya got a dog, so we will dedicate several pages to that.

Anonymous asked:

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girl they're subtweeting you

oh yeah i saw that lol. they clearly misunderstood everything i said, but at least they read the tags and didnt make it my problem.

like obviously ilya can make mistakes. its that his mistakes are underplayed by the narrative, rr, and the fandom compared to shanes mistakes. its that shane is supposed to be the "selfish one" according to rr, when in this story he did what? said an insensitive thing once or twice? worried about his career? didnt want a previous homophobic asshole to know about his relationship? like please

in contrast ilya almost takes pleasure in picking at shanes wounds. shane hates when people bring up his eating habits and ilya does it on purpose to start a fight. he mocks shane happily with other characters, including shanes fucking parents. when shanes reputation is fucked, his only fucking concern is his own character being questioned. this ilya and fanon ilya are completely separate people, which is why i made the post in the first place

the whole reason i used a deleted scene was to demonstrate rr's mindset when it comes to shane. she did not take out that scene for any reason other than the book was getting too long. she was proud of it enough to display it on her blog, clearly seeing no issue with the lack of concern ilya has for the treatment of his fucking bf. i did not think that had to be spelled out but whatever

and i would be fine with most of this if it was ever addressed by the narrative, but its just not. ilya gets a little bit of reprimanding for asking shane to go to the party without warning, NOT for anything i mentioned above. that level of apathy is just something shane just has to take from his partner. and i promise you, this same pattern will continue in unrivaled

as for rr, yeah i dont care. call me a misogynist all you want, im not going to gush about a racist, ableist, queerphobic woman. cause yeah, dont forget how she jumped on the "shane is autistic" wagon when that was never her intention, and then called him selfish for having autistic traits. i already made a separate post about her, go read that if you still havent opened your eyes

never understood where the "protective ilya" thing came from when its not present in canon. like ever.

like correct me if im wrong, but is there a single instance where ilya defends shane to anyone? he doesnt do it to the media after tripgate. he doesnt do it against crowell after he threatened shane (but did it for troy). he joins in happily when other people make fun of shanes eating habits or general anxiety, despite it being something shane is sensitive about.

in a fucking deleted scene, meant to be in 2018, this happens

(β€œIf it had been NHL players in the Olympics this year, Russia would have destroyed Canada,” Lev continued. β€œCanada’s stars are a bunch of pussies, like Hollander.”

β€œMm,” Ilya said.

β€œFucking right,” Lev said, as if Ilya had contributed anything. β€œHollander takes it up the ass for sure.” He laughed and helped himself to some gravlax.

β€œYou think so?” Ilya asked mildly.

β€œFor sure. Every night. His teammates probably line up.”

Ilya shook his head and took a sip of beer. Lev didn’t know shit.)

ilyas teammates are openly mocking shane, being blatantly homophobic with some racial undertones to boot, and ilya. just sits there. practically agrees with them. and rachel only took this out because she had "no idea where what scene was going to end up" though it was "tough to let this scene go because I loved the idea of them texting each other while hanging out with their respective friends/teammates/countrymen"

yeah its so cute to have them text each other to the background of ilyas teammates bigotry, that is going on IN HIS FUCKING HOUSE

its insane that shane gets the rep of being the bad bf when he defends ilya to hayden, jj, his parents, crowell, etc. compared to ilya who says cute things to shane in private and does nothing to back it up

anyways #myilya would never do this bullshit, but it really shows you how much rr's distain for shane ended up coming through in her characters. she loves ilya so much that she cant understand how ilya could ever show love or respect to shane, because she cant bear to show love or respect to shane

Anonymous asked:

https://www.tumblr.com/the-queens-men2/815570401706033152/something-i-wish-more-people-understood-regarding

Do you know any fics that explore the shortcomings of Ilya mentioned in this post ?

girl i wish. its not something this fandom ever wants to tackle because then they'd have to admit that ilya also made mistakes in tlg

this is one i like, that goes into how shane would struggle post-outing and moving to the centaurs: https://archiveofourown.org/works/83883761/chapters/221129901

this one also dives into shane having to explain racism to his white bf: https://archiveofourown.org/works/77593346

other than that i got nothing, but id love some recs too

i hate that these people feel righteous in targeting a woman who has quite literally done nothing but date a hot guy, all because she gets in the way of their fantasies, but if i were kate i would be laughing my ass off.

like boo hoo motherfuckers, i have him and you have blogs and twitter accounts. im in paris and youre watching me through a screen. im head over heels in love, and youre knee deep in delusions. we are no where near the fucking same

anyways, i hope that girl actually gets to have some fun with her bf on her vacation without more of this bullshit

girlkisser svetlana is very dear to me, but i need everyone to understand shes so shit at talking to women. with men shes fine, she has it down, but women? oh no

the very first time she had to talk to her crush (picture 7th grade) she stuttered through every sentence and ended with a nervous giggle before running away and begging her mom to send her back to russia until the school year was done

ahh yes. the shane hollander who considered his team to be the "men he loved like brothers" would know absolutely nothing about them and actually be really cold and emotionless as a captain. the shane hollander who hated sleeping with women but would still go down on them and try his best because he would "hate for the women to feel disrespected", would be a secret misogynist. the shane hollander who noticed his own internalized queer-phobia when interacting with fabian, and understood he needed to engage with the community more and make more queer friends, would never even think of engaging with queer media.

jesus fucking christ, i know these are headcannons but you guys are just going completely against the text, often in a way that paints shane in a negative light. and for the life of me i cant understand why

im sorry but troy was almost definitely racist. man who explicitly states that his father is a racist and that he surrounded himself with people like his father, probably means that he was hanging out with racist assholes. troy was a bigot in the nhl, do you seriously think he stopped at homophobia? do you think dallas fucking kent did? the only reason we don't hear about it is cause rr hates bringing up race in her books and prefers to write about sad white men

Authors on Threads calling out Reid’s response! When fellow authors are telling you hey maybe you didn’t handle this well, I’d suggest maybe listening to what they have to say πŸ€”

something I wish more people understood regarding the RR discord drama is the fact that the issue is not only how she talks about shane. shane can be stupid, shane can be selfish, and shane is more than capable of having a million other bad traits.

but why is this only about shane? to my knowledge RR has not spoken like this about ilya or at least not to the same frequency. so then why does she feel the need to consistently reiterate negative comments about shane?

why is the main conflict in TLG, as per her own words, attributed to shane's supposed selfishness (im not going to even get into how i feel about this claim, thats an entire different post)? shouldn't a romance book focus on how the shortcomings of both characters impacts the relationship? why isn't ilya's lack of empathy regarding shane's disordered eating/overall anxiety also a factor, or his inability to communicate until he blows up? why is shane the asshole for not focusing on his sad boyfriend, but ilya is not expected to worry about how shane's anxiety has a significant negative impact on his life?

i can maybe understand how as a white nuerotypical author RR did not initially consider how shane's autism and race would impact his life, and how it would certainly be traumatic for someone like that to be a star player in the nhl. but to not only do that, and then claim that he has no trauma, and then double down and sideline a question specifically talking about shane's trauma to instead talk again about how ilya has trauma because his parents are dead whereas shane has good parents is insane. to have ilya claim in the book that has a white man, he understands the dark side of hockey more than shane, a POC, is insane.

what people need to realize is that when all of this piles up, the jokes she makes are not just jokes. its consistent evidence that she was not initially capable of exploring shane's character with the traits she gave him, nor is she interested in changing that fact.

Honestly I still hold out hope for book 3 because I recognize the story is very much not done yet. But I am a bit underwhelmed by most of the Raven storyline so far – to me it's clear that Nora wants to add nuance to the story in a way that either didn't come through like she intended in the first trilogy or that Neil would not have cared about to look; specially in TSC there is a lot of talk about how the Ravens are all victims of Tetsuji, that they started out as brand new adults with stars in their eyes that trusted Tetsuji and in turn got so violently abused they all became unrecognizable shadows of their former selves.

However I feel like at this point talk is all that it is. We are getting told time and time again that there is more to the Ravens, that they deserved better than this, but we don't actually get shown that in any meaningful way. To the point that I do not blame what is the most accepted interpretation of this as just being Jean justifying his abusers because the narrative so far reinforces it even if I'm not sure that it's the intention.

I'm not saying that the way the Ravens have behaved so far doesn't track with the circumstances they are in – Edgar Allan is being completely incompetent at handling the mental health of the cult survivors their incompetence allowed to exist in the first place, and their violent crash out is the most understable thing in the world. And, individually, I also think that the interactions Jean has with the Ravens make sense, the problem is how they pile up.

From the very first interaction with Thea in the first chapters of TSC, to Jean reaching out to Sergio by the end of TGR, all the interactions end horribly, and often violently. And I think that it's past the point where it's actually adding much to the narrative – or, when it adds something, it's the least interesting option the story could take.

To me the biggest example of this is Zane. Through all of TSC, it felt like he was being set up to be like a counterpoint to Riko and Grayson; that his story was supposed to show how the Nest wore down even those with the best intentions. Because Zane might have struck a deal with Jean out of his own selfish desire to be Perfect Court, but all the Ravens wanted to be Perfect Court and no one else offered Jean help; it means something that Zane was in that room and did not volunteer himself to rape Jean, because that was the one act of violence Zane wasn't willing to commit for the Ravens, which is why Riko uses it to punish him later and why it so utterly breaks him. Zane was somebody that had principles, and even if he couldn't be described as being selfless or caring for Jean, he risked more than he gained with their deal. Grayson couldn't be a easy enemy to have, and I don't think that Riko would have reacted to Zane's protection any better than he reacted to his betrayal if it had become an inconvenience to him. Which is why to me it made sense that losing the Perfect Court spot to Neil – after a year of Jean essentially not being his partner anymore – drove him to betray Jean, since from his point of view not only Jean was the only person he could get revenge from without repercussion, but he was also the one to betray their deal first. And I do think that it was important that the betrayal also cost Zane something; when he was put in a situation where he could either rape Grayson or be raped himself and how the resulting trauma of this pretty much broke him. I didn't need the confirmation on TGR to know this had been Riko's punishment because one of the first things we learn about Zane is that not becoming a rapist was pretty much his only moral line.

So that's why his appearance in TGR was a gut punch (derogatory). I feel like he could have been swiped for any other Raven and it would not change the story all that much. And while I can respect what that moment meant for Jean's character development, I do think it wasted all of the potential of Zane as a character. To reveal him to be genuinely hateful of Jean since the beggining and never having taken Jean's fear of Grayson seriously truly trew away so much of the groundwork the first book had laid out for him. And maybe this was just part of his crash out and he will still show any redeeming qualities in book 3, but at this point hoping for that just feels like grasping at straws.

Which is why by the time Jean reached out to Sergio only to get a slap in the face for it only made me feel tired. These beats aren't even hitting anymore because they don't change. The books keep asking us to hold empathy for the Ravens as imperfect victims but it does not give us anything in return, there is no glimpse of a payoff in sight. It's to the point that I even wonder if this is not Nora's intention, to turn around and only show that Jean and by extension the reader was only kidding themselves by holding out any hope for the Ravens to be anything other than two dimensional cartoon villains. Which is A story she could tell, sure, but it's also no different than what we got from the Ravens for the first three books. So what's the point of floating the possibility of that storyline just to shut it down at every turn?

ANYWAY. Again, I'm aware there is still a whole ass book left. What I'm frustrated with is that I genuinely can't tell which way the narrative is going to take, and not in a good way. This is starting to make me wonder if I'm stupid for caring about a plot line the book told me to care about. All I wanted from TGR was an inkling of an whisper of an indication that we were going to get something nuanced and different for once, and I am severely disappointed I didn't get that. This is less about my personal preferences than it is about a narrative going through with the promises it makes. I would not have this hope if it wasn't set up in book 1.

jean moreau: the perfect victim

essay about how jean is often perceived/stereotyped as the perfect victim; why i don't think it's true and the repercussions it has for fandom discussion and attitudes.

I was literally thinking about this the other day, and something I want to touch on is how this relates to Kevin and Thea specifically.

Jean is seen as the character that went through the "most" trauma in the Nest, and was a sort of team scapegoat for the Ravens. Thus, it's so easy to feel sympathy for him and explain away his behavior as being justified because it's a trauma response. However, when Thea repeats harmful narratives to Jean that she was conditioned to believe, or Kevin focuses all his attention on exy, they are heavily demonized. Why?

Because they were treated "better" despite being in the same environment, and thus are not allowed the same concessions as Jean or other characters that have "more trauma". Though their actions are very realistic, especially as abused cult survivors, they are not given a chance to grow and heal by the fandom. For a book series that revolves around hurt people hurting people and still being allowed to heal and love, this fandom has a huge problem doing that for certain characters

I wanna also talk about how much people misinterpreted Kevin's bossy attitude towards Jean, but thats a post for another day