Costumes

Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:30 pm
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I have been updating my other Sleeper's Den with new pictures of my Gallic War comics project, but since that blog seems to remain a well-kept secret and I would really love to hear people's thoughts on what I'm doing, I thought I would show a few things here too.


In a previous post I mentioned the problem of having to convey lots of information without taking too much recourse to text. One specific element I will be dealing with in War in Gaul is that the Gauls were divided into many different peoples; in fact we are not even sure that they called themselves Gauls or even Celts. (I will use those terms anyway, just because they are easy...)

According to Caesar, the Belgae differed from the other continental Celts by their descent from Germanic peoples. There is quite some debate among historians as to whether the Belgae spoke a Celtic or a Germanic language. Unfortunately these discussions are often frought with politics. Those people who argue vigorously that the Belgae spoke a Germanic dialect are sometimes prone to using their theory in order to emphasise, say, the difference between the Flemish and the Walloons in Belgium; consequently I find it difficult to know whether I am reading propaganda or honest historical research. Moreover, in wishing to distinguish between 'Celtic' and 'Germanic', historians are pulling a Caesar: they force some kind of order and distinction on a culture that does not actually seem to have cared much about this kind of deliniations. The Celts did, however, make distinctions among themselves: they seem to have been forever picking fights with their equally Celtic neighbours. That appears to have been one problem the Romans solved...

I would like to keep 'my' Celts' ethnic identity fluid. It might be nice to go with the Germanic thing to some extent. For one thing, it would make my Eburones and other Belgae extra annoying in Caesar's eyes because they are impossible to categorise. As a bonus, it would give me the opportunity to throw in a few Germanic names, which are easier to come by than Celtic ones :P.

In terms of costumes, I was thinking that I might show the sliding differences between northern and southern peoples by the men's trousers. Apparently it is a typically Germanic thing to strap leather laces around the leg up to the knee; the Celts usually strapped their trousers at the ankles. So I'm going to play with straps, and with the width of the trouser legs - narrow in the south, wide in the north. Now Catuvolcos and Ambiorix look as if they are wearing a kind of ancient plus-fours :D...

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Old Catuvolcos, leaning on his spear. I didn't give him a shirt; I wonder whether I should change that. As I said in a previous entry, I imagine him as an old-fashioned warrior king, so he has to look sort of hardy, even if he is getting on in age. Shirts are for sissies like Ambiorix ;-).

For some reason I like to picture Catuvolcos in a cloak with a fur collar - does that give him a heroic, royal air, or is it just me?

The armlets are ... Well, armlets are archeologically attested, but not exactly in high numbers. They are more of a pictorial tradition than anything else, but I like them, so my kings wear armlets. Let's say we haven't found many because Caesar confiscated them and melted them all into sestertii. That's not such an unlikely scenario anyway. ;-)

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Ambiorix, in full regalia, or almost. I need to sort a few things out, like for example the way the cloak is worn; I am having a bit of trouble drawing cloaks properly, and I need to copy a few fibulae for inspiration too.

The basic clothing consists of trousers, a shirt, a tunic with belt, and a cloak. I am wondering whether I can make my Celts wear shirts that are open at the front - kind of like the modern versions but without the buttons. I have read a description from which I understand that they may have had such shirts, but I am not sure whether I interpreted the passage the right way :/.

Ambiorix wears his sword on his right, not because he is left-handed, but because the Celts just happened to wear their swords that way. Seeing how they loved to show off, I bet they did it because when you draw a long Celtic sword from your right with your right hand, you have to make a long, sweeping movement - quite impressive-looking, that, if rather unpractical *g*.

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Commios lives a bit more to the south, on the border between what Caesar calls Gallia Belgica and Gallia Celtica, so I gave him different trousers, shorter straps, and a tunic but no long-sleeved shirt. I guess the main reason why I am inclined to give him short sleeves is because I picture him as rather muscular and so I want to show his arms. Only, well, at the moment I am still learning about muscles, and so far his arms merely look beefy :P. To Be Fixed.

I am still playing around with costume ideas; as you can see this drawing is on the whole less well-defined than the previous two. My Eburones are taking shape more quickly than the rest, and I still draw a complete blank on the Romans. It's not really a problem; I will get there in time. As a character, Comm is shaping up nicely. He has a daughter now, and a lovely little plot that will take him to Ambiorix. I was rather relieved when that idea popped into my head, even though it means I have a new cast member... Her name is Dannumara, by the way - Mara for short.

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I am still trying out for Volca - her face isn't quite stable yet, but at least I had a lot of fun with my graphite pencils :-). One important job is to invent nice hairdos for my Celtic ladies; the one with all the braids was a first try, and I think it could have looked worse. I need some more training though, and I am looking for reference material too, but so far I have not found a lot of useful photos.

I need to think the ladies' wardrobes through, too. It is not immediately obvious to me how I am going to bring variation to it in the way that I did with the men and their trousers. Sleeves? Girdles? Stoles? Necklines? I have to try a few things out. I also need to look into making peplos-like dresses more elegant. Maybe I should watch a few peplos films for inspiration?

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Here is a site with braids:

http://www.dreamweaverbraiding.com/braid_examples/technique/braid_examples_dutch.htm

I don't know if that's helpful. Perhaps it's an unfounded assumption that because Celtic knots and braids are famous features on cloth, women wore equally ornate braided hairstyles? It might not be. Did married women cover their hair? I don't know that much about this culture. Your costumes are exciting!

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Also, I put your other blog on my RSS reader.

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:21 pm (UTC)
ext_53318: (Gauvain (Kaamelott))
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Thanks! :D

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 03:21 pm (UTC)
ext_53318: (Léodagan)
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Wow, thank you! That is a wonderful resource!

We do have archaeological indications of Celtic women wearing ornate hair styles, the most convincing one being the body of a young woman found in a peat bog - her braided hair is very well-preserved. Lots of hair pins have been found too.

It is not quite clear whether married women covered their hair; it was probably not the rule. There are carvings of women wearing headscarves, though. I am giving Rigantona one, because she is a priestess, but that is just my fancy; apart from that, I guess women might have covered their heads against the cold, because the Celts don't appear to have worn hats or anything of the kind.

The fact that we know comparatively little about Celtic culture makes it such a fertile subject - you need your imagination. On the other hand, people do talk a lot of rubbish about it :-). I enjoy trying to find my way around it - I want to keep that world more or less realistic but still exciting...

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 05:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] septentrion1970.livejournal.com
I'm not an expert of arts, drawing and such, but I appreciate all the effort you put into choosing their clothing. I'm very curious about that war of Gauls.

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
ext_53318: (Léodagan)
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
I am a costume geek, honestly :-). This is the easy part. I'm already trembling in anticipation for the moment I will have to draw a plausible chariot for Ambiorix *g*.

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redvelvetcanopy.livejournal.com
Oh, how lovely. I love how you analyze these things.

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:34 pm (UTC)
ext_53318: (Gauvain (Kaamelott))
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
I suppose that this kind of thing is a chore for some people, but for me analysis is great fun! It inspires me too. Now it's just a matter of learning how to draw ... countless things, like houses and animals and battles; writing the script; and drawing the whole thing ;P.

Really, why can't I ever do something small?!

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sander123.livejournal.com
It's very exciting to watch how a graphic novel arises! :) I love all the research you put in.

" would like to keep 'my' Celts' ethnic identity fluid. " Isn't that the scientific opnion at the moment anyway?

"consequently I find it difficult to know whether I am reading propaganda or honest historical research" You can never say that. I had to write a paper about mercenary soldiers (a political thing in Switzerland) recently and the opinions were so different! It was recent research, they used similar sources. Pretty annoying! And then there are those different schools academics write in, as Foucault said it: discourse.

And I'm swooning about Cesar ;) (on the other site)

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:54 pm (UTC)
ext_53318: (Gauvain (Kaamelott))
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Ha! I'm glad to hear you are swooning about Caesar. If I do my job properly he'll be ruthless but charming, as I think the historical Caesar was :-). He's the Big Bad Guy in my story, which of course means that I will end up adoring him *g*. I always love all my characters, so it's a good thing that history tells me who is going to die and how, because if it were up to me I'd let them all live XD.

" would like to keep 'my' Celts' ethnic identity fluid. " Isn't that the scientific opnion at the moment anyway?
That seems to me to depend on who is speaking :D. It is sometimes difficult to find a middle road between those who glorify the Celts and those who glorify the Romans, but it does seem the case that the Celts absorbed rather than conquered. Also, archaeologists may have sent a few silly notions straight towards the rubbish bin, but only months ago I found myself explaining to someone that the idea that all the Celts were blond is no more than a myth :P...

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riibu.livejournal.com
Wow, that's an interesting project (especially as I just read a history book about Celts and their Druids)! I'll bookmark your other journal for later reading.

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:56 pm (UTC)
ext_53318: (Léodagan)
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Squee! I'm so glad you don't think it merely boring *g*.

Which book was it? I'm always interested in more historical material...

Date: Thursday, 22 November 2007 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riibu.livejournal.com
It was a Finnish book, Druidit by Tom Sjöblom. He's a Finnish researcher who has studied Celts and Druids. The book felt really professional AND interesting at the same time. Not bad! As far as I know this book hasn't been translated in other languages, though. :(

Date: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:37 pm (UTC)
todayiamadaisy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] todayiamadaisy
The work you've done already is lovely. I'm looking forward to seeing more.

I need to think the ladies' wardrobes through, too. It is not immediately obvious to me how I am going to bring variation to it in the way that I did with the men and their trousers.

Celts wore jewellery, didn't they? Could you try varying degrees of ornate amulets or combs or necklaces?

Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
ext_53318: (Gauvain (Kaamelott))
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Yes, the jewellery - they wore lots of it, at least if they were rich. I'm going to have to train myself not to forget adding the ornaments; I find that I often do now...

I'm having so much fun developing my characters that I have to remind myself that there is more difficult work ahead. I'm waiting for a book on animal anatomy, and I should work on perspective too and draw houses. I really am an idiot - historical settings are so demanding. But I think they are much more fun than contemporary ones :D.

Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaniah.livejournal.com
I'm totally in love!!!

Actually I'm doing research about 13th century in the South-West France, but if I find anything intersting in my books or in any other way, I'll give these informations.

I Think I have some french Archeologia books about it. I have to check.

Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:09 am (UTC)
ext_53318: (Léodagan)
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Oh, 13th-century France sounds exciting! ...I love history - I seriously thought about studying it at university, then opted for Germanic languages instead, but my passion for history is never far from my mind when I do something with text :-).

If you should find something useful, I won't say no to it :P...

Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] msavi.livejournal.com
In the U.S. when people hear the word "Celt" most of them will think of Britain and when they hear the word "Gaul" most of them will think of France, heh. But I'm glad to hear you describe the distinctions on the continent aren't as tidy as historians would have us believe, because I knew both Celts and Gauls lived in Europe but if you asked me to draw boundaries on a map, I'd be at a pretty big loss.

Like your armlets, another thing that imparts a 'regal' feeling to me are torcs worn around the neck. They also have that wild, warrior-like air to them, which I like. :)

Stupid question: where do the Norse fit into your story?

Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:42 am (UTC)
ext_53318: (Gauvain (Kaamelott))
From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
It's not a stupid question. The Nordic peoples traded with the Celts/Gauls, and several Celtic/Gaulish artefacts have been recovered from for example Danish bogs. The Gundestrup cauldron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundestrup_cauldron) is perhaps the most famous example. Again, you can't draw a clear line between the northern Gauls and the 'Germanic' peoples who lived to the north of their territory. The further away you move from Gaul, the less Celtic they become, but 'Celtic' isn't just about language - so there were probably people who considered themselves Celts but spoke Germanic *g*.

I don't think 'the Norse' as such existed yet at the time of my story. I may be wrong (I haven't focussed on Scandinavia), but I think the Norse aren't mentioned as such before (I'm taking a stab) the 9th century AD. Before that, they were Kimbres and Teutons and Danes and Angles and Saxons and Jutes and Franks (etc etc etc), and they seem to have been on the move from the 1st century BC until the 5th century AD...

'Celtic' has been sort of claimed by Ireland, Scotland and Wales, I guess, but most of Europe has been Celtic at one point :D - from the British Isles all the way to the Black Sea and a colony in Turkey! Most people don't realise that, for one thing because they hardly get taught anything about the Celts at school. Me, I'm just a geek XD.

I'm going to turn to torc study - never fear :-). I need different models for everyone... *g*

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