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hey again, a bit of an update regarding my views on Vivziepop/Vivienne medrano specifically

So, after being met with a large amount of posts tagged as critical ( which I have been blocking as I disagree with a lot of the takes presented) my morbid curiosity and a growing sense of guilt led me to partake in a lengthy researching spree surrounding the Many controversies surrounding this creator.

Long story short, what I found was a tangled intricate web of they said she said and so forth, as well as a load of discord messages and Twitter arguments and accusations.

As of right now, in my opinion a lot these are either out of date, have the potential to be fake/edited, lack the proper context required, or have been generated to spread misinformation. In essence, a lot off this just feels…strange ( If you want me to elaborate on what I mean by this regarding certain topics, I will)

While it is no secret that Medrano is by no means a perfect individual, and I do not condone many of the actions she may or may not have partaken in ( especially in the mid 2010s) Given how in my opinion the things she may or may not have done are slowly becoming less… severe and with less concrete proof if you know what I mean, as well as a few posts perhaps indicating a positive change in perspective. Right now, I think the drama surrounding this creator is overblown, and rooted in misogyny, fan entitlement, ego, and miscommunication.

Maybe I’m too forgiving for my own good, but I don’t like it when someone get’s bombarded with hateful accusations with a potential for there to be nuance, especially someone as talented as Vivziepop herself. With that said, if you are offended by what I have said, let me assure you that I mean no harm and will happily take criticism. Additionally, if in the future evidence comes up to reveal that all this is true and my narrative of her changing is incorrect, I promise you that I will reevaluate my stance on the matter, and (in the worst case scenario) make the effort to limit my support of Viv. Hopefully I am right about this, because like I alluded to around 2 months ago, I truly do like these shows, even if they do have some flaws, there’s great stuff in them to balance it out.

Well, that’s all from this post, now it’s time to go back to liking fan art and detailed analysis posts! Enjoy the rest of your day ❤️

Side note: No aggressive or offensive comments are permitted here, you will be blocked

hey there, here are some takes on the recent drama (as someone trying to cater to everyone)

So, I have been interested in Hazbin Hotel/ Helluva Boss for a while now I’d say, mostly due to my friends being viewers of the show prior and I had heard about and seen it referenced. And TBH I genuinely IMO think HB in particular is a pretty solid show ( not a perfect one, those don’t exist, but it’s one that get’s me to think and for the most part keeps me invested and entertained)

That said, I have had stints were I’ve felt bad for watching these shows, as overtime, while there are lovely people in this fandom who are talented artists and analysts, I can’t help but be alarmed by how hateful some members can be, both from within the fandom itself and the dedicated ‘hatedom’, often going to extreme lengths to harass anyone who disagrees with their point of view. While this by no means is exclusive to the hellaverse, it still saddens me to see this occur within the fan base of a show I enjoy.

Now, I’m aware that the creators of the show’s past younger adolescent selves (I’m sure you know who at this point) had partaken in making some harmful and inappropriate content, though most of the accusations levied at the main creative from what I have seen, are fake, and I am by no means qualified to accept an apology on the behalf of marginalised groups (race wise that is), in terms of the recent controversy, I just wanted to say this-

to the people who are attacking the creators online with no consideration of a person’s ability to change, how long ago it was, or proper research into the matter : if you truly want to call someone out for their past behavior, don’t you think you are undermining your own point if you are ACTIVELY taking part in the same bigotry and hate mongering you are trying to call out, even when if you actually look it up, the person I’m referring to apologised and offered an explanation to why they posted the video on a podcast in 2019 and has to my knowledge tried their best to not post videos in this manner for a while.

to the people defending the acts on their own: I well and truly think that you need to reevaluate your stance on the matter, as people can be hurt by this kind of stuff.

and finally (most importantly) to anyone in the group that this controversy refers to, saying this as a British white woman the same age as the creators when they made the content: I am truly sorry that this has happened, and cannot comprehend the pain that is associated with racism. But please, do not feel pressured into forgiveness, and do not feel pressured into hatred. If you well truly want to move forward with the show and possibly forgive (but probably not forget, it is important that these issues are talked about after all as a means of spreading awareness) that is completely fine, do not be ashamed of your choice. If you feel the need to the need to step away from the show because of this, I understand you too, and I wish you the very best in life, and please take care of yourself.

as for myself, I’m going to stick around and see it through. I only really interact with the show and fan discussions with research into the people behind the show where needed( it’s something I’ve always done with any piece of media), but I tend to develop intense fixations on certain movies, musicals and shows like Arcane, wicked etc. (probably thanks to my neurodivergence lol) the hellaverse is just the latest thing I’ve latched onto, and it’s something that I enjoy and like talking about.

Honestly, this has helped lift some of the worries I’ve had off my chest, and although I’m not sure if people will read this, I hope I have validated the opinions of others like me who like the shows and are a bit worried about being judged for it ❤️

Side note-Please feel free to give your opinions, this is my first time posting something like this, I am always ready to learn, but if I find your comment to be rude or offensive you will be blocked, I truly don’t want to add on to the conflict present.

Edit: The more I learn about this, the more it seems to me that it it was not their intention to be racist, possibly a bit of peer pressure going on as well. Makes me feel a bit sad honestly. Regardless, my points still stand.

G(a)linda and the Color Pink

I can't believe I haven't done my own Wicked analysis, but I guess this has just been sitting on my mind for a while.

Now, we know that they didn't put Glinda in pink in the stage show because of copyright, but I do want to talk about the significance of pink for movie Glinda. Specifically how her wardrobe changes from Shiz to the Emerald City to the end of the movie.

One thing I didn't notice until after For Good was that Glinda's outfits were so pale at Shiz.

Pink enough to be pretty, but not stark enough that you can mistake her for anything but perfect, sweet, and compliant. And when she wears these outfits she's surrounded by the other students, which makes sense because she's constantly putting on a show for them.

But that changes once we get to the Ozdust

Glinda wears a bold, vibrant dress. And this also happens to be the dress that she stands up for Elphaba in. The first time we ever see her reject social norms and do the right thing. The first time she's truly genuinely a good person instead of putting on a show of goodness.

We then see her in this nightgown right after:

This nightgown is pale enough to stand with the rest of her outfits, but also has its own unique brightness to it. Which represents both that Glinda is retreating back into her bubble (which ties into what Popular is about, helping Elphaba confirm to get people to like her), but is also being genuine with Elphaba. She's being honest when she calls Elphaba beautiful even though she hasn't changed much about her. Glinda is caught between being held by societal standards and expectations and her budding relationship with Elphaba, someone who defies those norms.

(Popular is one of the most complex songs in the musical if you didn't already know)

However, by the time we get to the Emerald City, Glinda is back in that pale pink:

And it's wearing that pale pink that she makes the decision to embrace Morrible and stay in a place built around oppression. She chooses this path to uphold her own image, reflected by the muted, neat look of her Emerald City dress.

The Bubble Dress represents her personality being weighed down by the insincerity of the system around her:

There's clearly pink in it, but it's being suppressed by blue. The blue representing the lies Glinda tells everyone and herself. She does genuinely want to be a beacon of hope, but she cannot do that if she wants to maintain the status quo that keeps her loved. And being loved is all she has.

This scene is a good example. When Elphaba calls her out on lying, Glinda maintains that she's being encouraging as a public figure

(Side note, I also think that's one of the reasons why they cut the Thank Goodness dress and the scenes with it. It was too Glinda at a time where she's meant to be subdued)

My favorite color contrast is Glinda's apartment versus her closet:

This is actually why I even started noticing the differences in what she wore. Ariana has said that Glinda's apartment is pretty, but the pinks are muted and subdued which is how she presents herself to everyone else. Meanwhile her closet is vibrant, bright, and colorful which shows who she really is inside.

This circles around to why she changed from her Bubble Dress to her NOMTW dress:

This is Glinda at the most genuine she can be. It's the dress she puts on after exiling the Wizard and imprisoning Morrible. The dress she wears while she sings about missing Elphaba and how she sees herself as the wicked one. This is the real Glinda The Good, who's finally figured out what it means to be good

Honorable Mention: Black

Just thought I would throw this in here, that when Glinda attempts to fix things Elphaba's way, she puts on Elphaba's black boots and a black cloak. It represents that she is now ready to risk everything to do the right thing like Elphaba was. But Elphaba rejects this, not wanting Glinda to be ostracized like she was and knowing that her way failed for a reason. That if things were going to change, Glinda would have to do it her way. Which is why she makes Glinda swear not to clear her name to denounce any relationship between them

glinda the coded lesbian: an analysis

alright peoples!

pull up a chair and take a seat as i walk you through the deeply entrenched lesbian coding of galinda upland/glinda the good and the multiple closeting metaphors in wicked and wicked for good.

i obviously have to start this off with the literal lesbian flag poppy-field. and on the freaking title card, seriously?

there will be more on the lesbian flag color scheme in a minute, but first we must get on with the closet metaphors so… follow me. c’mon.

closet metaphor #1: popular

(gif credit: @glindauplland)

during popular—the song where galinda essentially tries to teach elphaba how to be successful in life by performing and abiding by the society approved terms and conditions—galinda removes elphie’s glasses so she can consider how she looks without them on. she stares for a moment—with eyes full of affection and smiling—and then she abruptly shoves them back on and verbally implies that she finds elphaba unattractive.

despite, as i said, looking at elphaba with full blown heart eyes as she does so.

this is the first time, in my interpretation, that galinda finds herself becoming aware that her feelings for elphaba might go beyond just platonic or loathing. it’s also the moment i knew that ariana’s performance as glinda was going to be truly special when i first watched it in the theater, but i digress.

the shoving of elphie’s glasses back onto her face doubles as a metaphor for shoving herself into the closet. it’s here that galinda realizes she finds elphaba attractive, but the mere thought of that is so threatening to her entire life philosophy and, being the coward she is, she resorts to insults to cover for it. she must perform disgust to re-ground herself in her comforting reality of falsity and ignorance. in her bubble.

my favorite thing about the film adaptation of popular—and one of my favorite things about gelphie’s dynamic in it—is that elphaba is not annoyed or insulted by galinda’s behavior, even though she has every right to be. i mean, she’s basically running around singing about how to change elphaba into someone she’s not so that she can be more palatable to society. it’s the very thing that should and would normally bother elphaba, but instead… she’s endeared. on one hand, i believe this is largely rooted in the fact that elphaba has never had a friend before up until this point so she’s going to accept any kind of friendship she’s offered, but that’s true for all elphaba’s in any production. the decision to play elphaba as endeared by galinda during this scene is independent of that. almost like elphaba somehow knows that this is all just a dramatic performance from galinda and not a reflection of how galinda truly feels about her. and this is something that carries throughout the entire narrative. she has the same demeanor during the cat fight scene in for good, but elphaba only regains that endeared demeanor once she has successfully provoked glinda out of her Glinda the Good performance mode.

but back to popular… it’s only once galinda reasserts her performance of perfection and aloofness that she is able to comfortably call elphie beautiful.

(gif credit: @gracemaccaulley)

closet metaphor #2: ride to see elphie

glinda keeps the clothing items she wears when she rides feldspar to warn elphie—a black cloak, black gloves, and elphaba’s black boots—stuffed in the back of her closet in her suite at the emerald palace.

aside from the blatant-ness of her hoarding elphie’s boots, black is the color associated with elphaba, as it’s the only color she really wears, and it’s a color glinda generally finds hideodeous, as well. it also symbolizes darkness and secrets, a contrast to the lightness of her pink, white and orange pastels.

elphaba is the only person glinda has ever had a true, deep connection with and… she keeps her hidden in the back of her closet.

and while we’re on the topic of glinda’s literal closet, why not bring up the fact that galinda/glinda’s color scheme is literally the lesbian flag colors.

glinda’s color scheme covers a range of pinks, whites and oranges throughout the films. lavender—of all colors—is the only exception.

the lesbian ozdust dress is my favorite, i can’t lie. 

and then there’s the lavender. which we see in about four different outfits.

(gif credit: @dailyflicks)

the first time galinda meets elphaba...

what is this feeling gay panic...

(gif credit: @galindathrop)

waking up from her poppy induced coma to realize elphie & fiyero are gone...

and a movie one bonus:

(gif credit: @comeinwiththerain)

the deleted scene where a jealous galinda tells elphie to pick her...

and then, of course, the lavender dress she wears for over half of the second film.

you know, the dress glinda first wears when she announces her engagement to fiyero in munchkinland before singing about how she’s getting her “fairytale ending” and he “couldn’t look handsomer” and she “couldn’t be happier” even though all of this “happiness” is nothing more than a performance…

and last wears when she says “i love you” and then watches her elphie “die”

i honestly have no idea the thought process behind why glinda has so few outfit changes in for good, but i find it kind of fitting that she’s stuck in that lavender dress—or an extremely basic white wedding dress—when she’s performing her ultimate conformities and complicity in, not just elphaba’s suffering, but her own. 

i also think it's interesting that each time lavender is included in an outfit of galinda's in wicked (the first one), it's during a moment where elphaba is forcing her to confront some kind of internal conflict.

their first meeting is the first time galinda comes into contact with a different life experience to her own, the first time she "doesn't get her way".

during what is this feeling, galinda is struggling with the... feelings elphaba is stirring within her.

and in the ones regarding fiyero & the cub, galinda is being confronted with the possibility that someone else can fill the role she realizes she wants to be the one to fulfill... (even though when push comes to shove she wouldn't be able to do what elphaba needed of her, and i think deep down elphaba knew that but she just didn't want to face it yet)

the entire girl in the bubble sequence is also a closet metaphor, but there’s really nothing in it that i haven’t already said.

(gif credit: @titfairy)

just the imagery of this moment: glinda, and her lavender dress, cloaked by elphie’s black and getting on feldspar—borrowing from fiyero’s courage and bravery—as she is on her way to finally choose elphie for the first time…

glinda’s lightness (lavender) cloaked by elphie’s darkness (black) turning the narrative of lightness = good and darkness = bad on it’s head but also, glinda is wearing her own darkness, her own hidden secret, her love for elphaba on the outside. visible for the first time…

but it’s too late.

closet metaphor #3: the door scene, obviously.

(gif credit: @jackytaylor)

it essentially functions as a tragic metaphor for a self-inflicted closet that glinda becomes trapped in. up until for good—and to a degree during and probably a period of time afterward too; the girl has shit to work through—glinda is a coward. she hides the real parts of herself and presents to the world a version of “perfection” she was brought up to believe is the way to move through the world. and, i mean, it is… if you only care about power and prestige. which is what glinda thinks she wants throughout most of the narrative as popularity and superficial love are intertwined with glinda’s self-worth due to how she was raised. and.. it cost her.

she kept herself locked inside her own metaphorical closet—which in the films is more of one of her own making as homophobia either doesn’t exist or is, at the least, more akin to the way things are in the U.S.—for so long and by the time she was finally ready to face reality, it was too late. now, it’s her elphie who locks her in the closet, and glinda is forced to watch the only person she’s ever truly loved “die”… from behind the literal closet door in part due to her own complicity in elphaba’s villainization and inability to choose elphaba the way fiyero did. the latter bit has some more complexity to it, though.

and really, i would argue that it’s during the scene where fiyero holds the gun to glinda’s head with shaking hands and terrified—risking his life for elphaba—that glinda’s closet first begins to crack.

the dialogue between glinda and elphaba during the cat fight already works as a double entendre in the film—god bless you cynthia + ariana for your acting choices. 

while i don’t believe elphaba knows that she has romantic feelings for glinda nor that glinda has them for her, she feels betrayed by glinda—as she should—and her usage of “someone like him” is directly referencing fiyero’s narrative function as glinda’s mirror. in the film, the scene reads less like the two of them are fighting over fiyero himself and more like fiyero is invoked simply as a substitute for what they actually want to say to each other.

he loves me enough to choose me (you don’t)

and because of the double entendre used with fiyero as a substitute for glinda herself, it would then make sense that glinda’s “he just… he loves her!” could be interpreted as glinda’s first verbal admission of her romantic feelings for elphaba. 

he loves her (i love her)

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even more so, glinda’s reaction to elphie’s “i love you” is one that exposes a deep repression. her eyes fall closed, her breath catches; she’s soaking it in. like she never in a million years believed elphie would ever say those words to her, and she never thought she would ever get the chance to say them back. like she wasn’t sure she even physically could.

(gif credit: @titfairy)

the character of galinda upland and glinda the good is a cautionary tale for the cost that comes with performing heterosexuality, patriarchy, and refusing to confront or accept your true desires due to a fear of the discomfort that will come with it in the most extreme sense of the concept. you lose true and authentic love because you weren’t brave enough or didn’t have the tools to claim it when it was needed, and sometimes, your own fear and cowardice ends with you being forced to perform for the rest of your life. never able to claim or admit that you truly loved this person more than you have loved anyone else because people wouldn’t be able to handle the truth.

the closet costs you the girl; it costs you real love; it costs your authentic self. it’s an endless facade and performance that glinda brought unto herself, and ironically, it’s the very thing she believed she wanted for so long.

popularity. power. adoration.

what she thought she desired ends up being the very thing that causes her suffering because she realized what she really wanted—elphie—too late, and elphie’s time was up.