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Noodling around friends-of-friends today and seeing within the space of just a few entries two different commentaries about what people want from our fannish social media but aren't getting has got me thinking, because, like these folks, I am dissatisfied with my current social media situation.

No, I'm not sure what to do about it, either.

Preemptively: I am ethically/theoretically more aligned with DW and Ao3 than with most large-corp sites. Not perfectly, as you know from my periodic critiques. I remain committed to the idea that if you're not the customer you're the product, and blah blah free citizen of a small-r republic blah blah you can't take my data from me etc. etc. insert the usual old-school geek rant here.

That said: I spend most of my social media time nowadays at places that don't come anywhere near conforming with my ideals.

Why?

It's been five years and we have no meaningful image hosting capacity at either DW or Ao3. I don't know that we ever will, to be honest, simply because of the scale of the projects. And when you have people trying to communicate about visual media or via visual media, platforms with no visual media integration are going to fall consistently short.

As you know, Bob, I am massively into Homestuck; a not-small fraction of fan commentary about Homestuck happens primarily in visual formats. This is why we don't have much of a Homestuck fan presence here on DW, which makes me sad.

For that matter, when you have me trying in my worklife to communicate about, say, architecture, I'm going to go do that on something like Twitter or FB because I can upload pictures from my phone and caption them and have a conversation with colleagues about what I'm looking at in less time than it would take me to upload pictures and compose a post about them, either here or on something like WordPress (which, yes, I continue to use regularly in worklife; your average self-hosted WP install now has quite good image integration, which is a big change from how things were five or six years ago.)

This is not a minor issue of convenience; this is something that's really changed my web usage habits over the last two-three years. The best camera is the one you have with you, and nowadays almost everyone has little cameras with them. My latest phone has better image-editing software installed on the phone at purchase than my MacBook laptop, which was top-of-the-line in 2007 and is still not too shabby today, had built into it. The phone cost me $49 with a monthly data plan, and the laptop was right around $2K with a monthly cable internet bill.

That's huge. Absolutely huge. It's a sea-change in how we talk to each other. In the last year, the percentage of mobile OSes accessing the work sites I manage is up from about 10% to about 25%, and while it may not keep going up at that rate, it's going to keep going up. I expect that over the next five years we'll get to a point where most of our business is mobile business. Projects which will not or cannot adapt to this new reality...well, I mean, Usenet is still a thing that exists, but it's not a thing most of us engage with daily, now is it?


So: other projects, and why they're not all that satisfying either:

I've spent enough time lurking at Tumblr to think it's all the things I like least about public-performative social media, and my interest in basing my online social life there is nil. I'm not going to rehash the old pro-and-con arguments about it, not least because I suspect it's what we're likely to be stuck with as a communication tool for a while here and sooner or later I'll have to go sign up. Blecch.

(It's like everything I hated about it when we had that comm that aggregated fandom meta stuff over on LJ. I can't even remember it was called but there would suddenly be forty asshole strangers in one's comment section trying to pick fights. Tumblr is, as far as I can tell, like that day in and day out. YUCK. Also the degradation of URLs is terrible over there. Links that are more than a few months old seem to be rotten a lot of the time.)

I have a Twitter account, where due to the character limit I spend nearly as much time avoiding saying things that I think will be misconstrued and get me into arguments as I do having useful conversations (though it's been very good for professional networking). Linkblogging is much easier there.

FB is a great way to learn how damn ignorant various relatives and people I've known since childhood are. The answer is, extremely damn ignorant, and also passive-aggressive; I make good use of that thing where you can unsubscribe to people without de-friending them. It is the most creepy passive-aggressive data-stealing discomfort-inducing profiteering vile social media network in the history of ever, and yet it's apparently where I have to go to see my cousins' baby pictures, which, ugh. At least one can lock down one's stuff there, which makes it more useful for talking about one's children, but again that performative aspect kicks in: writing on FB is like writing a Christmas letter 365 days a year.

Pinterest is fun and very visual but not at all conversational. I use it for work and it's great for that, but it's essentially a curatorial tool, not a social tool.

A Bandcamp page sent me to MySpace last week, and...it side-scrolls, folks. It side-scrolls. I don't even. Maybe there's something great there that I'm missing, but...it side-scrolls.


Once upon a time I dreamed that the solution would involve RSS and distributed networks of people talking to each other using open source tools like WordPress and Drupal, and that someone would write a thing that would handshake between our distributed systems and let us give one another access to private (or less-public) material in a simple and reasonably transparent way.

Sadly, this doesn't seem to be a thing that's going to happen. RSS increasingly sucks balls, and nobody wants us to have fine-grained control over our own data because we're too useful as a content product. Moo. RSS readers are bad and feeds are worse. I get that people want to drive traffic to their own sites rather than permit their content to be aggregated in its entirety, but frankly when all people give their feeds is a single line or a tiny image, I quit subscribing because all that clicking around is annoying. This means I end up at their sites less often than I would otherwise. Lately I am using Twitter instead of RSS aggregation, and that means missing out on a lot of stuff.


What is the solution? I honestly have no idea, and I tend to think that it doesn't make sense to desire or imagine one desirable outcome here.

Date: Sunday, March 9th, 2014 11:48 pm (UTC)
randomling: Jack Harkness (Doctor Who/Torchwood) looking pissed off. (jack harkness)
From: [personal profile] randomling
Mmm, I'm kind of oddly dissatisfied, too, though I haven't gone and read those posts yet (that's next!), and I'm a bit vague on exactly why. (Though I think it's partly my own fail in managing to use any of these social media things particularly well.)

I'm really curious about what we could do, within fandom, to satisfy our own needs. Going to go read those posts now!

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 12:13 am (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
I use Newsblur for RSS/Atom purposes, which fetches full content per post pretty well both in standard browser and on Android app (I don't use iOS); it remembers the setting per feed. That said, I use it more for professional things than fannish ones.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 03:43 pm (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
heh!
I've found Netblur fairly good over nearly a year now, at least for my use cases (I have 600 subscriptions, probably half of them active). It'd be nice for offline sync to be available on mobile--darkforge's favorite use case--but perhaps it will come; the developer continues to work on it, which is a fair exchange for the sign-up $.

My one irritation about Google Apps for Education (which is similar) is that ignoring email while I'm out of the office is slightly harder. Not a big deal.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 09:37 am (UTC)
antisoppist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] antisoppist
Thank you! I use Newsblur on PC but on my phone I was using Blar, which used to be the only way of getting it on Android. Newsblur for Android is an improvement. It is also an improvement over Feedly, Feed+, Smart Feed Reader, Pulse and Flipboard (you can't say I haven't been trying). For RSS I don't want communities or popular posts or to share things or turn them into magazines or only see things people posted three minutes ago or to accidentally keep marking them read when I hadn't finished reading them and have them disappear for ever. I just want to be able to see when people have updated the blogs I read even if they only do it once every 6 months. Likewise more professional than fannish or personal, which is why I want it separate, not integrated with the rest of my online life.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 03:48 pm (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
If you are still auditioning services, Feedspot is another one that some friends like; I haven't tried it. Newsblur's Android app improved markedly a few months ago, IMO, though it could benefit from a bit more. (Feedly, Pulse, and Flipboard didn't work well for me, either. My basic trajectory was Bloglines Beta to NewsGator/FeedDemon to RSS Owl to Newsblur.)

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 12:36 am (UTC)
grrlpup: yellow rose in sunlight (Default)
From: [personal profile] grrlpup
just wanted to express my whole-hearted appreciation of this line:
writing on FB is like writing a Christmas letter 365 days a year
yesssss

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 12:46 am (UTC)
minim_calibre: (Default)
From: [personal profile] minim_calibre
That is the best summary of Facebook I have seen.
Edited Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 12:46 am (UTC)

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 02:29 am (UTC)
minim_calibre: (Default)
From: [personal profile] minim_calibre
I am on a Facebook "hiatus" which really just means I post once a month about my washing machine. It is great.

Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:20 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I post "wow, I still have this thing" like every six-eight months and try to undo the latest privacy fuckery and that's about all I use it for.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 03:44 am (UTC)
ellen_fremedon: overlapping pages from Beowulf manuscript, one with a large rubric, on a maroon ground (Default)
From: [personal profile] ellen_fremedon
Huh. This is the first explanation I've seen of the purpose of Tumblr that made it make sense for me.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 05:25 am (UTC)
ironed_orchid: watercolour and pen style sketch of a brown tabby cat curl up with her head looking up at the viewer and her front paw stretched out on the left (Default)
From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
Or a TV fandom, because screencaps and gifs are love.

Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:21 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Can I just rant for a moment about HOW MUCH I HATE that Tumblr redid the tagging/search thing, which was pretty busted to begin with. Now it just really doesn't fucking work at all. GRUMP.

Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:39 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
'Which gets back to the inherent flaw in the free-with-ads online model'

Yeah....I remember Tumblr sticking 'sponsored posts' in between items on my genuine feed which were almost impossible at first glance to distinguish, and fortunately they seem to have cut that the fuck out, but if that ever happens again I may just bail on it. I hate the "everything is an ad and you are the product!" Girl-Who-was-Plugged-In atmosphere of web 2.0. The company sites on Tumblr are weird (I follow some publishing/magazine ones) -- they're usually run by one person, or seemingly, so they're like individual blogs, but the posts about books, articles &c., are really ads. But they look like friends link-dropping. Argh.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 05:27 am (UTC)
ironed_orchid: watercolour and pen style sketch of a brown tabby cat curl up with her head looking up at the viewer and her front paw stretched out on the left (Default)
From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
Twitter is very much about the link blogging for me. That and the short comment on something I just saw/felt/did.

Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 05:35 am (UTC)
ironed_orchid: watercolour and pen style sketch of a brown tabby cat curl up with her head looking up at the viewer and her front paw stretched out on the left (Default)
From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
Yep. I'm just about to do a link post of stuff I have posted to twitter/fb/tumblr in the last week or so.

I have twitter and fb intergrated, which is great for links but maybe not so great for stuff that in in response to, but not actually a reply @, other conversations happening on twitter.

Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:26 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, that is just about how I feel about a lot of the social media....my Twitter is fairly innocuous, because it's way too easy for me to get into slapfights. Tumblr is addicting on a 'ooh click and scroll shiny pictures' level (I love some of the big art blogs), but I'm one of those people who can't find/have conversations on it.

'It is the most creepy passive-aggressive data-stealing discomfort-inducing profiteering vile social media network in the history of ever'

I WANT THIS ON A T-SHIRT

Pinterest is also fun but their infinite scrolling javascript? thing puts me off (I disabled infinite scrolling on my Tumblr, but now Twitter has it too, sigh) and there was a point a couple of years ago where they yanked some content and sent a 'Sorry the content you pinned was yanked!' note, which.....I understand what it's like to try to run a digital curation business in the early daze of the Information Age, but I still found that both annoying and offputting. At least with Tumblr I haven't had anything yanked.

I was big on GoodReads for a while, which I liked a lot because of the individual book and book review pages, feed, and comment discussions, but then gif 'reviews' took over in a big way and started totally choking my feed, plus there's a lot of drama there. Plus, no, I don't feel like turning into a simultaneous customer/content generator for Bezos, not really.

Date: Sunday, March 16th, 2014 04:33 pm (UTC)
thrihyrne: (Enigmatic)
From: [personal profile] thrihyrne
So much love for all of this! I miss fandom because I miss the excitement of sharing passion with fellow fans, and also being so ablaze with the shiny and wanting to read every bit of fanfic and writing my own and sharing it. :le sigh: I look at tumblr maybe a couple of times a month, Twitter maybe the same, Pinterest every once in a while when I decide to do research on shoes or pretty jewelery or something... And FB I'm using less and less b/c I can't stand the vomiting rainbows of some of my work colleagues. But I don't post that much on DW/LJ either-- though I'm glad it's here when I do come and visit. It's my fandom home. ♥
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