Sitting on the dock of the bay, watching the tide rolling in.
Sunday, March 9th, 2014 04:02 pmNoodling around friends-of-friends today and seeing within the space of just a few entries two different commentaries about what people want from our fannish social media but aren't getting has got me thinking, because, like these folks, I am dissatisfied with my current social media situation.
No, I'm not sure what to do about it, either.
Preemptively: I am ethically/theoretically more aligned with DW and Ao3 than with most large-corp sites. Not perfectly, as you know from my periodic critiques. I remain committed to the idea that if you're not the customer you're the product, and blah blah free citizen of a small-r republic blah blah you can't take my data from me etc. etc. insert the usual old-school geek rant here.
That said: I spend most of my social media time nowadays at places that don't come anywhere near conforming with my ideals.
Why?
It's been five years and we have no meaningful image hosting capacity at either DW or Ao3. I don't know that we ever will, to be honest, simply because of the scale of the projects. And when you have people trying to communicate about visual media or via visual media, platforms with no visual media integration are going to fall consistently short.
As you know, Bob, I am massively into Homestuck; a not-small fraction of fan commentary about Homestuck happens primarily in visual formats. This is why we don't have much of a Homestuck fan presence here on DW, which makes me sad.
For that matter, when you have me trying in my worklife to communicate about, say, architecture, I'm going to go do that on something like Twitter or FB because I can upload pictures from my phone and caption them and have a conversation with colleagues about what I'm looking at in less time than it would take me to upload pictures and compose a post about them, either here or on something like WordPress (which, yes, I continue to use regularly in worklife; your average self-hosted WP install now has quite good image integration, which is a big change from how things were five or six years ago.)
This is not a minor issue of convenience; this is something that's really changed my web usage habits over the last two-three years. The best camera is the one you have with you, and nowadays almost everyone has little cameras with them. My latest phone has better image-editing software installed on the phone at purchase than my MacBook laptop, which was top-of-the-line in 2007 and is still not too shabby today, had built into it. The phone cost me $49 with a monthly data plan, and the laptop was right around $2K with a monthly cable internet bill.
That's huge. Absolutely huge. It's a sea-change in how we talk to each other. In the last year, the percentage of mobile OSes accessing the work sites I manage is up from about 10% to about 25%, and while it may not keep going up at that rate, it's going to keep going up. I expect that over the next five years we'll get to a point where most of our business is mobile business. Projects which will not or cannot adapt to this new reality...well, I mean, Usenet is still a thing that exists, but it's not a thing most of us engage with daily, now is it?
So: other projects, and why they're not all that satisfying either:
I've spent enough time lurking at Tumblr to think it's all the things I like least about public-performative social media, and my interest in basing my online social life there is nil. I'm not going to rehash the old pro-and-con arguments about it, not least because I suspect it's what we're likely to be stuck with as a communication tool for a while here and sooner or later I'll have to go sign up. Blecch.
(It's like everything I hated about it when we had that comm that aggregated fandom meta stuff over on LJ. I can't even remember it was called but there would suddenly be forty asshole strangers in one's comment section trying to pick fights. Tumblr is, as far as I can tell, like that day in and day out. YUCK. Also the degradation of URLs is terrible over there. Links that are more than a few months old seem to be rotten a lot of the time.)
I have a Twitter account, where due to the character limit I spend nearly as much time avoiding saying things that I think will be misconstrued and get me into arguments as I do having useful conversations (though it's been very good for professional networking). Linkblogging is much easier there.
FB is a great way to learn how damn ignorant various relatives and people I've known since childhood are. The answer is, extremely damn ignorant, and also passive-aggressive; I make good use of that thing where you can unsubscribe to people without de-friending them. It is the most creepy passive-aggressive data-stealing discomfort-inducing profiteering vile social media network in the history of ever, and yet it's apparently where I have to go to see my cousins' baby pictures, which, ugh. At least one can lock down one's stuff there, which makes it more useful for talking about one's children, but again that performative aspect kicks in: writing on FB is like writing a Christmas letter 365 days a year.
Pinterest is fun and very visual but not at all conversational. I use it for work and it's great for that, but it's essentially a curatorial tool, not a social tool.
A Bandcamp page sent me to MySpace last week, and...it side-scrolls, folks. It side-scrolls. I don't even. Maybe there's something great there that I'm missing, but...it side-scrolls.
Once upon a time I dreamed that the solution would involve RSS and distributed networks of people talking to each other using open source tools like WordPress and Drupal, and that someone would write a thing that would handshake between our distributed systems and let us give one another access to private (or less-public) material in a simple and reasonably transparent way.
Sadly, this doesn't seem to be a thing that's going to happen. RSS increasingly sucks balls, and nobody wants us to have fine-grained control over our own data because we're too useful as a content product. Moo. RSS readers are bad and feeds are worse. I get that people want to drive traffic to their own sites rather than permit their content to be aggregated in its entirety, but frankly when all people give their feeds is a single line or a tiny image, I quit subscribing because all that clicking around is annoying. This means I end up at their sites less often than I would otherwise. Lately I am using Twitter instead of RSS aggregation, and that means missing out on a lot of stuff.
What is the solution? I honestly have no idea, and I tend to think that it doesn't make sense to desire or imagine one desirable outcome here.
No, I'm not sure what to do about it, either.
Preemptively: I am ethically/theoretically more aligned with DW and Ao3 than with most large-corp sites. Not perfectly, as you know from my periodic critiques. I remain committed to the idea that if you're not the customer you're the product, and blah blah free citizen of a small-r republic blah blah you can't take my data from me etc. etc. insert the usual old-school geek rant here.
That said: I spend most of my social media time nowadays at places that don't come anywhere near conforming with my ideals.
Why?
It's been five years and we have no meaningful image hosting capacity at either DW or Ao3. I don't know that we ever will, to be honest, simply because of the scale of the projects. And when you have people trying to communicate about visual media or via visual media, platforms with no visual media integration are going to fall consistently short.
As you know, Bob, I am massively into Homestuck; a not-small fraction of fan commentary about Homestuck happens primarily in visual formats. This is why we don't have much of a Homestuck fan presence here on DW, which makes me sad.
For that matter, when you have me trying in my worklife to communicate about, say, architecture, I'm going to go do that on something like Twitter or FB because I can upload pictures from my phone and caption them and have a conversation with colleagues about what I'm looking at in less time than it would take me to upload pictures and compose a post about them, either here or on something like WordPress (which, yes, I continue to use regularly in worklife; your average self-hosted WP install now has quite good image integration, which is a big change from how things were five or six years ago.)
This is not a minor issue of convenience; this is something that's really changed my web usage habits over the last two-three years. The best camera is the one you have with you, and nowadays almost everyone has little cameras with them. My latest phone has better image-editing software installed on the phone at purchase than my MacBook laptop, which was top-of-the-line in 2007 and is still not too shabby today, had built into it. The phone cost me $49 with a monthly data plan, and the laptop was right around $2K with a monthly cable internet bill.
That's huge. Absolutely huge. It's a sea-change in how we talk to each other. In the last year, the percentage of mobile OSes accessing the work sites I manage is up from about 10% to about 25%, and while it may not keep going up at that rate, it's going to keep going up. I expect that over the next five years we'll get to a point where most of our business is mobile business. Projects which will not or cannot adapt to this new reality...well, I mean, Usenet is still a thing that exists, but it's not a thing most of us engage with daily, now is it?
So: other projects, and why they're not all that satisfying either:
I've spent enough time lurking at Tumblr to think it's all the things I like least about public-performative social media, and my interest in basing my online social life there is nil. I'm not going to rehash the old pro-and-con arguments about it, not least because I suspect it's what we're likely to be stuck with as a communication tool for a while here and sooner or later I'll have to go sign up. Blecch.
(It's like everything I hated about it when we had that comm that aggregated fandom meta stuff over on LJ. I can't even remember it was called but there would suddenly be forty asshole strangers in one's comment section trying to pick fights. Tumblr is, as far as I can tell, like that day in and day out. YUCK. Also the degradation of URLs is terrible over there. Links that are more than a few months old seem to be rotten a lot of the time.)
I have a Twitter account, where due to the character limit I spend nearly as much time avoiding saying things that I think will be misconstrued and get me into arguments as I do having useful conversations (though it's been very good for professional networking). Linkblogging is much easier there.
FB is a great way to learn how damn ignorant various relatives and people I've known since childhood are. The answer is, extremely damn ignorant, and also passive-aggressive; I make good use of that thing where you can unsubscribe to people without de-friending them. It is the most creepy passive-aggressive data-stealing discomfort-inducing profiteering vile social media network in the history of ever, and yet it's apparently where I have to go to see my cousins' baby pictures, which, ugh. At least one can lock down one's stuff there, which makes it more useful for talking about one's children, but again that performative aspect kicks in: writing on FB is like writing a Christmas letter 365 days a year.
Pinterest is fun and very visual but not at all conversational. I use it for work and it's great for that, but it's essentially a curatorial tool, not a social tool.
A Bandcamp page sent me to MySpace last week, and...it side-scrolls, folks. It side-scrolls. I don't even. Maybe there's something great there that I'm missing, but...it side-scrolls.
Once upon a time I dreamed that the solution would involve RSS and distributed networks of people talking to each other using open source tools like WordPress and Drupal, and that someone would write a thing that would handshake between our distributed systems and let us give one another access to private (or less-public) material in a simple and reasonably transparent way.
Sadly, this doesn't seem to be a thing that's going to happen. RSS increasingly sucks balls, and nobody wants us to have fine-grained control over our own data because we're too useful as a content product. Moo. RSS readers are bad and feeds are worse. I get that people want to drive traffic to their own sites rather than permit their content to be aggregated in its entirety, but frankly when all people give their feeds is a single line or a tiny image, I quit subscribing because all that clicking around is annoying. This means I end up at their sites less often than I would otherwise. Lately I am using Twitter instead of RSS aggregation, and that means missing out on a lot of stuff.
What is the solution? I honestly have no idea, and I tend to think that it doesn't make sense to desire or imagine one desirable outcome here.
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Date: Sunday, March 9th, 2014 11:48 pm (UTC)I'm really curious about what we could do, within fandom, to satisfy our own needs. Going to go read those posts now!
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Date: Sunday, March 9th, 2014 11:52 pm (UTC)Mind you, I offer the usual caveat that my personal activism is generally in different directions, and it's important to honor the work people have and continue to put in. But honoring doesn't mean never critiquing, and I see a lot of folks who feel like what we have isn't quite what we'd like to have.
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Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 12:18 am (UTC)I should give that a try. I went through here a couple of weeks ago and turned off all the RSS feeds that were irritating me, because it'd gotten to where I never read my reading list here b/c half of it was clonking RSS.
ETA: OK, so Newsblur has now introduced me to the term "Dunning-Krugerrands," in reference to Bitcoin, which is inherently hilarious enough to make it worth the three minutes I have invested in this little intellectual project.
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Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 03:43 pm (UTC)I've found Netblur fairly good over nearly a year now, at least for my use cases (I have 600 subscriptions, probably half of them active). It'd be nice for offline sync to be available on mobile--darkforge's favorite use case--but perhaps it will come; the developer continues to work on it, which is a fair exchange for the sign-up $.
My one irritation about Google Apps for Education (which is similar) is that ignoring email while I'm out of the office is slightly harder. Not a big deal.
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Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 12:36 am (UTC)writing on FB is like writing a Christmas letter 365 days a year
yesssss
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Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 03:52 am (UTC)But I have very lopsided relationships there, in that...well, I'm a stalker, not a conversation partner. Which I feel weird about, because as we all know it is hard to get me to shut my ass up on the internets. It feels very backward.
It also very much seems to me to have the Endless September problem. I'm up for some enculturation but I'm not up for constant enculturation.
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Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:34 pm (UTC)Which gets back to the inherent flaw in the free-with-ads online model...which is why I still want to see a nonprofit social network organized as a cooperative. The closest thing we have to that right now is Ao3 (there are some other examples but they're much smaller-scale).
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Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:39 pm (UTC)Yeah....I remember Tumblr sticking 'sponsored posts' in between items on my genuine feed which were almost impossible at first glance to distinguish, and fortunately they seem to have cut that the fuck out, but if that ever happens again I may just bail on it. I hate the "everything is an ad and you are the product!" Girl-Who-was-Plugged-In atmosphere of web 2.0. The company sites on Tumblr are weird (I follow some publishing/magazine ones) -- they're usually run by one person, or seemingly, so they're like individual blogs, but the posts about books, articles &c., are really ads. But they look like friends link-dropping. Argh.
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Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 05:35 am (UTC)I have twitter and fb intergrated, which is great for links but maybe not so great for stuff that in in response to, but not actually a reply @, other conversations happening on twitter.
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Date: Monday, March 10th, 2014 05:39 am (UTC)I actually uncoupled the work FB and Twitter accounts about a year ago. A lot of local media people use Twitter and it's a good way to reach them.
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Date: Tuesday, March 11th, 2014 03:26 pm (UTC)'It is the most creepy passive-aggressive data-stealing discomfort-inducing profiteering vile social media network in the history of ever'
I WANT THIS ON A T-SHIRT
Pinterest is also fun but their infinite scrolling javascript? thing puts me off (I disabled infinite scrolling on my Tumblr, but now Twitter has it too, sigh) and there was a point a couple of years ago where they yanked some content and sent a 'Sorry the content you pinned was yanked!' note, which.....I understand what it's like to try to run a digital curation business in the early daze of the Information Age, but I still found that both annoying and offputting. At least with Tumblr I haven't had anything yanked.
I was big on GoodReads for a while, which I liked a lot because of the individual book and book review pages, feed, and comment discussions, but then gif 'reviews' took over in a big way and started totally choking my feed, plus there's a lot of drama there. Plus, no, I don't feel like turning into a simultaneous customer/content generator for Bezos, not really.
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