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Man, the people who made the movie Cube owe Sleator royalties.

In this young adult novel from 1974, several orphaned sixteen-year-olds are dumped into a seemingly endless space containing flight after flight of interconnected stairways, something of an Escher-scape. There's a toilet, which also provides drinking water, and a machine which dispenses food... if they're willing to follow the rules the machine tries to impose on them.

I honestly don't know whether I should spoiler-cut for this book or not, because it is more than thirty years old and even the book's dedication makes it pretty obvious what is actually going on. But I guess discretion is the better part of valor?

For those of you who don't want to look under the spoiler-cut, the one-sentence summary is: clunky, the opposite of subtle, makes no damn sense in several major ways, but is still very readable, even if you sit there afterwards shaking your head sadly and sighing.

Okay, so they're being classically conditioned. But there are several things that still don't make any sense to me-- they find the machine that gives them food, and then they make no effort whatsoever to: store up food for future use; hunt around to see whether that machine is the only one; use any method to get between platforms other than the staircases; create containers to carry water, etc., etc., etc. In short, they really do not interact with their environment in most of the standard human ways. In part this is explained by the fact that the world outside the staircase area is a dystopia and they have all been brought up without much in the way of education or resources, but one of them is represented as a self-reliant juvenile delinquent who has before the beginning of the book done things such as stealing a car to run away from her orphanage. The fact that even she does not explore the place, given that no one part of it is represented as creepier than the rest, is an example of the way the book is loading its dice-- not only does the environment have to be terrible, but the people have to be less complex than real people for the author to feel that his conditioning model is believable. In actuality, it could have been a genuinely frightening book simply by using the kinds of things about human psychology demonstrated in oh, say, the Milgram experiment, or 1984. But it's not really trying to be a frightening book, it's trying to be a book that says that a person can resist any conditioning with enough willpower, that it will be difficult and terrible and nearly kill them but they can do it.

And it's because that's what the book wants to say, from before the start, because the author went in knowing that he wanted to say that, that it pulls its punches. It's true there are probably limits to the amount of violence and sex he was allowed in a YA in 1974-- hard limits, I would think. But he doesn't push them even in allusion. When without supervision in a mixed-sex environment for the first time in their lives, his teenagers kiss, and there is not even the suggestion that they do anything else, not even an elision. When it comes to violence, the author claims that they aren't capable of doing real, maiming damage to each other without substantially hurting themselves and so it isn't possible, which is patently and totally untrue. At the end, there is a point where it is very obvious a couple of characters ought to be dead, because a government that can create a thing like the stair room can also totally shoot you in the head. And this is all because a couple of the characters have to get through and be okay, or the book won't say what he wants it to. I think it would have been far better if he'd done a real thought experiment, put some different people in this space, in his head, and seen what came of it without bending any of the rules of what might have actually happened. That way, if they'd gotten through, the reader would know that the way they did that is really a way out of it. A reassurance that a dystopia can't get to your brain is weakened if the dystopia is weak.

So this is not a good book. And the lack of exploration and engagement with the environment means that the creepy-cool room of stairs does not have as much chance to shine as one would like. But this is still a fast, fun read in the implausible-survival-of-teenagers-in-peril genre, which is one I standardly enjoy. You can get a lot of pleasure out of this, if you don't expect it to be a novel; and I do like that the most badass character is female. Not a waste of time, if this is your sort of thing. In a way, I enjoyed it more than The Hunger Games, which is in a similar genre, because all the issues in this one were sitting right there on the surface so I never had to put the energy into hoping it was going somewhere awesome. Whereas The Hunger Games had just enough potential to shoot itself in the foot.

(If you want something good in the teenage-dystopia genre, of course, you want Battle Royale, but that one, being good, is genuinely pretty damn disturbing.)

Date: 2010-12-24 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
And the thing that frustrated me on a personal level in addition to the things you've discussed was that the kids who were stubborn and survived and did not get conditioned were transparently the Us and the ones who didn't and got conditioned were the Them. Magically and coincidentally, the Nerd and the Rebel (or as close as you get in this book) are the ones who hold out--the ones who are, lo and behold, the most like kids likeliest to voluntarily read Sleator's book. And it's very satisfying to believe that Our People are like that and Their People are conformist asses, but in fact I don't think the resistance to totalitarianism is all that mapped to American high school social group type, and I raise an eyebrow when books look to be patting themselves and their readers on the back like that.

Date: 2010-12-24 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
I know what you mean. And the fat girl is Evil, as symbolized by how she eats all the time and is totally incapable of ever saving food, etc., and I'm like, it is a fairly common error to insist that rebellion, when it is cool, maps onto the conventionally attractive, but that doesn't mean it's not aggravating.

Date: 2010-12-25 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Right, and like you, I read it as an adult. So I couldn't turn off the bit of my brain that went, "Y'know, different metabolisms really do require different amounts of food, and having people be jerks to you about that is not likely to make you want to trust them and enlist them for great, risky rebellion." And various other things.

Date: 2010-12-25 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coraa.livejournal.com
I read this recently (and probably too old for it, too), and while I mostly enjoyed it (the setting implausibilities didn't bug me), I did cringe at the fact that the three "bad" kids were the Jock, the Pretty Girl Who Likes Boys, and the Soft, Privileged Fat Kid.

Date: 2010-12-24 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com
I was the perfect audience for this, when I read it. I was close to the actual age of the characters, had no conception what was going on or was going to happen (I don't think I read that dedication, though I remember it quite clearly, so maybe I read it after? Or maybe I read it and was just particularly dense). I was *terrified* of the stair environment, because I was terrified of open heights like that. And, I felt, at that age, enough of an outcast that I didn't yet roll my eyes at the stereotypical scenario in which the outcasts are the heros.

The points you raise are absolutely true, and they lead me to wonder why it was that I fell into place with the story and didn't question the set-up, especially since I normally am all about imagining how I'd cope in that situation. I do recall that in my mind-at-the-time, I was absolutely certain there was no food dispenser elsewhere, so sure, in fact, that I find myself wanting to ask you--are you sure they don't explore? I got the feeling that they all arrived at the spot where they were after moving about the landscape for a bit, and the place where they congregate was the only place with (a) company and (b) food and water. I also got the feeling that they were pretty hungry, and that not much food comes out of the dispenser at a time, which makes it hard to save up the food--but that's just me trying to make excuses, when really I just need to own up to the truth of what you say.

I think in a way, for me now, the most damning criticism is the one you raise about the very fact that the government has gone to all that trouble to make that fantastical environment, and then, as you say, doesn't remove the evidence that's contrary to their desired outcome. That goes along with something I really hate in dystopias---almost all of them (The Handmaid's Tale jumps glaringly to mind)--which is giving the totalitarian regime limitless power and true absolute control in every single aspect... except those where you want your protags to have certain advantages. Obviously for a YA novel, you don't need to go into how the government has money and support, but the author ought to at least know why this little experiment was able to be funded and why everyone's okay with the results of their failure walking around free. Frankly, I'm not sure it would be physically possible to build an environment like he describes--as a kid I just contented myself that it was handwavy science magic--an infinite indoor space, like in some of my own nightmares. As an adult recalling the story, it's harder to be satisfied.

I like what you say about a genuine thought experiment--Sleator wouldn't have been able to write this story, but maybe the result, if he had conducted a genuine thought experiment, would have been more psychologically probing.

Still, as a child reader, I found it as scary as intended, and heartening. I definitely wanted to believe that force of will would let you triumph.

Date: 2010-12-24 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
I may just have read it at too old an age, after having read too many other similar books; a number of people downthread say it worked well for them, and [livejournal.com profile] gaudior has fond childhood memories and is planning to reread it to see how it holds up. I did still find it very fun.

They explore downward in the place until they can't get any farther, before finding the food dispenser, but after finding the food machine no one ever goes very far from it again. And they never go up. And no one tries any of the systematic mapping that would be my first inclination. This is explicable in part by how creepy the space is-- because it actually is, I'm agoraphobic and I would totally lose my shit-- but the thing is, the area around the machine is not actually any less creepy than the rest of the space, so I would have been inclined to look around to see if any of it was better.

I understand how the scientist got his funding but not why they don't shoot the failures at the end.

(Oh, The Handmaid's Tale. I have major issues with that book. And I agree about dystopias in general.)

Date: 2010-12-24 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elisem.livejournal.com
I remember this book; oh, yes, indeedy.

When I was in high school in a small Wisconsin farm town, being a student one or two years younger than everyone else and moreover one that read science fiction and played chess and was "too smart," I was offered the opportunity to apply for a special summer session for gifted kids at some Ivy League big-deal college. The application required a book report. I picked this book.

They probably expected applicants to pick some classic. I either didn't know any better or was being contrary. There was no evidence that my choice of book is why I was turned down, but it probably didn't help.

I wondered for years whether my life would have been different had I been accepted for that program. It was one of the few ways to get out of where I was, in those years. And where I was was full of conditioning, as I saw it -- and that's what I wrote about. In a way, it was a message in a bottle, sent out into the wider world, on the off chance that somebody might find it and rescue me from the rather dangerous island I had somehow been born shipwrecked on.

"But it's not really trying to be a frightening book, it's trying to be a book that says that a person can resist any conditioning with enough willpower, that it will be difficult and terrible and nearly kill them but they can do it."

Indeed. It makes sense that this book plus Damon Knight's book Analog Men (original title: Hell's Pavement) were two that provided me with tools for some of my first coherent critiques of the fundamentalist church and school and the small farm town I was brought up in.

Thanks for reminding me of it.

Date: 2010-12-24 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
I am glad it was helpful-- it sounds as though it might have been to me in high school, also. Giving teenagers tools for critique is one of the very best things fiction can do.

Date: 2010-12-24 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moon-custafer.livejournal.com
If I recall the ending correctly, this was the first time I encountered the YA-dystopian-SF trope of “if you can hold out against the brainwashing, eventually they’ll have to send you to the prison camp for people they can’t break, where life is harsh, but at least you’re with the other people who think like you.” As you said, if the government’s that evil, why wouldn’t they just execute those who won’t submit?

A French SF novel I read a few years later *began* with our heroine resisting the mindwipe machine, but at least there they were using the resistant individuals as slave labour on the algae farm, and the middle portion of the book was all about their eventual escape attempt. (It was still a pretty weird book - the algae farm slaves were allowed to be essentially self-governing as long as the supply of algae came through; I think the logic was that no one in the dystopia wanted to think about where their food was coming from, because they hated all plant life and even algae was considered unmentionable.)

Date: 2010-12-24 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com
they hated all plant life

Plant biologist has an extremely skeptical look on her face right now, and kind of wants this book for her office shelf.

Date: 2010-12-24 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marzipan-pig.livejournal.com
Oh god the minute I saw 'hated all plant life' I so hoped the next comment would be yours.

I read this book when it came out and had no critique of it whatsoever, and my entire memory of the end is 'they get away'. So, nice to hear about it from a complex adult perspective!

Date: 2010-12-25 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
If I hated all plant life and were going to pick only one plant to supply food for my entire dystopian civilization, it would not be algae.

Date: 2010-12-25 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
That is indeed the ending. And they seem to be sending them together, even.

That French SF novel sounds cracktastic and amazing. Do you remember the title?

Date: 2010-12-28 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moon-custafer.livejournal.com
Sorry I took a while to respond - it was called La Livre Interdite de Krista Zero (The Forbidden Book of Krista Zero), and it's set in one of those dystopias that has outlawed some major aspect of life (in this case, plants) - as usual it did so a few generations before the story begins, so they don't have to explain how everyone was convinced to go along with the idea - instead we land in a world in which everyone except a few rebels thinks plants are unclean (because they grow in the soil, and therefore feed on decomposed dead animals). I think all meat is considered unclean too; everyone lives on synthetic stuff derived from algae. An amusing side effect is that all the curse words are things like "branch." Also it's hinted at one point that there are government-licensed brothels where the prostitutes wear leaves and flowers to titillate the customers.

It actually keeps getting weirder from there - there's telepathy, a failed rebellion, a lot of quasi-Christian symbolism, a Big Evil Computer.....

Date: 2010-12-24 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
House of Stairs, William Sleator (365 Books, Day 116)

My fifth-grade class was read this book by one of the teachers. I remembered it as good, but I was also writing first-person narrative poetry about silver dragons.

Date: 2010-12-25 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com


At about the same time of my life I was writing what I can only describe as fanfiction of Heinlein's Red Planet crossed with Garfield. I will see and raise your silver dragons.

Date: 2010-12-25 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
At about the same time of my life I was writing what I can only describe as fanfiction of Heinlein's Red Planet crossed with Garfield

If I did not already love you, dear, I would after this sentence. *hug*

Date: 2010-12-24 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
I thought they did explore, but after a certain point the stairs and platforms are too far apart for them to be able to get any farther - it looks like a huge space, but it's actually fairly small.

I still have enormous fondness for this novel, probably because I first read it when I was thirteen.

But it's not really trying to be a frightening book, it's trying to be a book that says that a person can resist any conditioning with enough willpower, that it will be difficult and terrible and nearly kill them but they can do it.

I'm okay with that. I don't think it's meant to be a realistic novel about what might happen if the government had infinite power and control. On those criteria, it's indeed a failure, as the government would have just killed them all.

I think it's an allegory about social conditioning in real life: specifically, an allegory about how school in America conditions you. So it's not really pandering, or at least not only pandering, that the ones who resist conditioning are the outcast and the rebel, because in high school, if you do resist conditioning, you generally become outcasts and rebels whether you started out as one or not.

A lot of the stuff that makes no sense if it's about the government - why doesn't everyone just get shot, etc - makes more sense on the high school level. Of course, ideally an allegory makes sense both on the real and metaphorical levels, but I think there's a reason why it seemed to make sense to young readers.

Date: 2010-12-25 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
They went down as low as they could go, but not up or into any of the corners. I noticed this particularly because I kept waiting for the two who hold out to go up and find something interesting.

My school may have been terrible to me in a different way? The book doesn't resonate with my high school experience, though I notice it seems to be with other people here. My high school just had pressure to succeed and learn things so fiercely that I spent every night of the second semester of my freshman year getting two hours of sleep and throwing up from stress a lot. And being tortured by the awareness that I was Not Awesome Enough To Be Living Up To My Potential or Making The Most Of My Educational Opportunities. (And then I snapped and spent three years alternately slacking and violently overworking and trying not to care.) Which is a very different sort of social conditioning.

Date: 2010-12-24 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashnistrike.livejournal.com
I can't believe I never read this, as it sounds like exactly the sort of thing I loved when I was thirteen. And I suspect I might still react to it the same way I did to Buffy Season 1: "I strongly suspect that high school isn't actually like this, but that's certainly how I remember it."

Date: 2010-12-25 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com
My high school seems to have used a different sort of social conditioning, which may have been because it was single-sex, viciously academically competitive, and not interested in sports. But I can see most people remembering high school this way.

Date: 2010-12-25 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
This review has, incidentally, kind of crystallised the ways in which the protagonist of my current WiP does not believe in willpower, and thinks that the belief in it is an evil social control mechanism; I am dissuading her from taking over this comment for a rant in that direction.

Her reaction to the book as you describe is not unlike mine to Lord of the Flies, actually. The thing about living in Cambridge was that I saw enough of the specific ways traditional English public school single-sex education screws up boys to be absolutely clear that it is having been in that environment, not being removed from it, that would cause real people to behave like the characters in Lord of the Flies; looked at that way, it's hard to see the book's classic status as other than an exercise by a specific kind of authoritarian teacher claiming justification for said way of doing things.

Also, have you read The Wasp Factory ?
Edited Date: 2010-12-25 05:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-12-26 02:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] radiotelescope.livejournal.com
Oh, this book. I read it *younger* than the ideal age -- I might have been ten, and it scared the crap out of me. (The end read as "you cannot escape even if you think you've escaped".) It was the book too scary for me to re-read, for several years. (The Book of Lead?) I must have re-read it a couple of times as a teenager, but I haven't gone back to it as an adult. Nonetheless, it sits on my Important Book Shelf.

The other Sleator that did that to me was _The Green Futures of Tycho_. It wasn't as paralyzing, because the ending was more of a clear win. But Sleator is basically being a horror writer for geek teenagers (in these books); using science fiction to write horror, that is. He's good at that.

Years later, in college, I took a CS class from Sleator's brother.

Date: 2010-12-27 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orawnzva.livejournal.com
I love Sleator — in middle school I read every one of his books that was in my school library. I did find House of Stairs to be among the weakest. Which others have you read?

I was briefly in contact with Sleator about possibly designing a board game based on Interstellar Pig, and he was enthusiastic, but his agent nixed it — I think the rights were tied up in a deal involving a Nickelodeon movie and a GameCube game neither of which actually happened AFAIK. I may just finish designing the game anyway. The plan was to include a lot of cute cross-references to other Sleator books — the card for the time-travel device would show the artifact from The Green Futures of Tycho, for example.

Date: 2011-01-03 02:35 am (UTC)
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I read this book somewhere between thirteen and fifteen, and primarily remember it for my terror and nausea at the description of the room with stairs (severe vertigo and a deep fear of heights), and my contempt for the characters which translated to contempt for the author for writing them and letting his agenda get in the way of making them more complex. I'm not sure why this particular set of characters offended me so deeply; it's not like all the other books I read at that age (and older) contained more complex characters and less subtle agendas. Part of it may have been that I had already attended multiple middle schools and junior highs, and seen too many different systems of social conditioning to buy the assumptive universality of his.

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