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Anonymous said: I hope you don't mind me asking but I really want to know more about that Celebrimbor take (like the progression from his rebirth to trying to live in Valinor knowing his kin is there). I love it so much because it doesn't lean on the feanorian apologia, nor does it not lean so much on Celebrimbor forgiving or reconciling with them easily (especially his father), because from what I know, he was a lord of a city, so to be related to dudes who destroyed not one, not two but three cities must've to suck (but really impressive streak tho for the feanorians.) I also can't see Celebrimbor having a good relationship or having a good opinion of Curufin after Finrod's death and it would take him long (or literally never which I prefer lmao) to speak with him, after all, pride and arrogance ran in that family.

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I definitely don't mind! I love talking about Elfs :3

So I imagine Celebrimbor grows up pretty steeped in the Feanorian mindset, which means he's behind Feanor's rebellion (perhaps he has some reservations about the methodology but in principle I think he agrees); he partakes in the kinslaying at Alqualonde and the ship-burning at Losgar. But over the course of his time in Middle-earth he really puts a more critical lens on what he was raised to believe and what his family has done, and eventually comes out to the decision that he cannot adhere to his family's beliefs or support their actions anymore (spending time with Finrod helps a lot with this). And disowning his father and his family, as a noble, as someone in line for the crown of the Noldor, especially with the quasi-historical emphasis on the importance of family in Tolkien's work, is huge.

I think in the Second Age he was largely attempting both to distance himself from the worst of his family's legacy while trying to restore some measure of honor to them through his own actions. I love the imagery in HoME (I'm forgetting exactly where now) of Celebrimbor alone on the steps of his forge trying to resist Sauron after the "Annatar" disguise has been dropped.

I think he was understandably traumatized by everything that happened with Sauron and the rings of power, and I think that would make him even less tolerant of violence and power-grubbing after rebirth.

With this background, I pretty much see Celebrimbor going (although they wouldn't use such modern terminology for it) no-contact with his paternal family, with the possible exception of Grandma Nerdanel.

Generally, I don't think Celebrimbor is allowed to be re-embodied; I think he probably falls in with the rest of the Feanorians/Noldor who are prohibited from that, but assuming otherwise, that he is reborn, and that others of his paternal family are too, I just think there's not much to say there.

I think his hurt and anger and disappointment over their actions runs incredibly deep, and even if they are willing to apologize, I think he doesn't really want to hear it. The kind of "I appreciate your regret and I hope it helps the other people in your life, but it doesn't change my decision" kind of thing. I think he might view them as toxic; I think he might not want to associate with them; I think he might be concerned about the influence they could have on him; and honestly, I think he would want to see them make some significant efforts to redeem themselves before he cared to even consider allowing them into his life again.

I think at best he pities them (he's not devoid of sympathy; he bought into the rebellion of the Noldor too and he's guilty of kinslaying too, and he knows the pressure they felt because of the oath they'd sworn, but he also eventually realized they were wrong) and most likely considers them willful enactors of violence and bloodshed among their own kind for their own benefit. Celebrimbor died in agony at Sauron's hands to prevent more death and war resulting from his own mistakes; I can't imagine he has a lot of understanding for violence undertaken to protect the perpetrator.

I don't think it's impossible for him to reconcile with his uncles/father/grandfather but I think it would take a very long time (if he was mortal, I would say never), and I don't think those relationships would ever be the same again.



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