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ranaloreThis one is for misplacedwords, and it was stumping me a bit as written, so I'm going to have to tweak it. Because committing to favorite books or movies is an anxiety-inducing thing for myself, for one, so it's not really a thing I would naturally consider for a character, and for another, many of the fandoms I pick up tend to involve settings that don't allow for the technology or resources or downtime or access for/to movies or books on a consistent enough basis, if at all, to allow for things like favorites, or the characters are, surprisingly, not the sort who really get into media like that. Or there's the fandom bleed problem, where a book or movie I like is likely to be crossover material with another book or movie I like. Alternatively, there are characters in settings where I personally don't know what books or movies I think would be the most likely pools from which they would draw favorites. If Hisoka has a favorite book, for example, I suspect it might be a Japanese masterpiece of which my sorry white Western English-speaking self is completely ignorant. I can tell you The Art of War was doubtless formative, but I have a suspicion he didn't enjoy the experience.
I can talk a little bit about media I think might be important to characters, and I do think pop culture and how it saturates our world and informs our culture is an area where a lot of sf falls down and where I like to see things like Steve's list of cultural references to catch up on from the past seventy years (though when he gets to Star Wars, I think he's going to have some issues with the Jedi, actually), and I like to hear John Crichton's Spielberg references, and I love The Middleman for the geekfest that it is. And I do have little bits of things like that in my headcanon. DBSK debuted as Tohoshinki in the Japan of GetBackers, for example, and Akabane is a fan. He has a real fondness for "Hug," in fact, which has character-specific reasons beyond Eliza and I being ginormous dorks on chat, though that was certainly the catalyst. My mental Parker may never again be able to listen to a song by Edith Piaf after watching Inception. Like, ever. My version of Lucas Wolenczak loves every one of Jennifer Lawrence's movies, though he sort of hated the Hunger Games books, and Iron Man hits a little close to home, but that hasn't stopped him from watching every one of the MCU movies. He might have a bit of a crush on pretty much everybody, and ship Steve/Bucky like it was his job. And himself/Natasha, because his fondness for redheads started early (Jennifer Lawrence in Mystique makeup might partially be to blame).
Speaking of MCU, Bucky starts his own list, partly to track down all the references for the nicknames Tony calls him. Which doesn't explain how he ends up watching an episode of Farscape, but he does, and it catches his interest, because it's space, but it's space with the gross bits in and aliens that look and act really alien, in part because a lot of them are actually played by puppets. And then he gets to the part where John gets caught impersonating a Peacekeeper, and ends up getting strapped into a chair to get his brain scrambled while the Peacekeepers try to figure out what he is and what he's doing. And it makes Bucky tense, but he doesn't flip out, he keeps watching. In fact, he watches for several more episodes, though he does have to stop at the one where there end up being two Johns, because that possibility freaks him out a bit. He wants to know what happens, though, and then he really wants to know what happens with Talyn, because he might also see some parallels there.
He has to take breaks a lot. Harvey gives him some issues, but then kind of grows on him. Steve finds him watching once, and tries to watch with him, and just can't do it, and that might lead to a fight, or a not-fight that's as bad as a fight, and that might lead to a break that Bucky might intend to be more than a break, but either they patch things up and he keeps watching, or he keeps watching and they patch things up. Either way, he's there to see one of the Johns sacrifice himself. He sees Talyn's death to destroy those who destroyed him, and D'Argo's to save his friends. He sees the John who survived make Scorpius beg for the wormhole. He sees John survive.
So that's a thing. So yeah, I can think of some important things, but not really favorites.
misplacedwords, and it was stumping me a bit as written, so I'm going to have to tweak it. Because committing to favorite books or movies is an anxiety-inducing thing for myself, for one, so it's not really a thing I would naturally consider for a character, and for another, many of the fandoms I pick up tend to involve settings that don't allow for the technology or resources or downtime or access for/to movies or books on a consistent enough basis, if at all, to allow for things like favorites, or the characters are, surprisingly, not the sort who really get into media like that. Or there's the fandom bleed problem, where a book or movie I like is likely to be crossover material with another book or movie I like. Alternatively, there are characters in settings where I personally don't know what books or movies I think would be the most likely pools from which they would draw favorites. If Hisoka has a favorite book, for example, I suspect it might be a Japanese masterpiece of which my sorry white Western English-speaking self is completely ignorant. I can tell you The Art of War was doubtless formative, but I have a suspicion he didn't enjoy the experience.I can talk a little bit about media I think might be important to characters, and I do think pop culture and how it saturates our world and informs our culture is an area where a lot of sf falls down and where I like to see things like Steve's list of cultural references to catch up on from the past seventy years (though when he gets to Star Wars, I think he's going to have some issues with the Jedi, actually), and I like to hear John Crichton's Spielberg references, and I love The Middleman for the geekfest that it is. And I do have little bits of things like that in my headcanon. DBSK debuted as Tohoshinki in the Japan of GetBackers, for example, and Akabane is a fan. He has a real fondness for "Hug," in fact, which has character-specific reasons beyond Eliza and I being ginormous dorks on chat, though that was certainly the catalyst. My mental Parker may never again be able to listen to a song by Edith Piaf after watching Inception. Like, ever. My version of Lucas Wolenczak loves every one of Jennifer Lawrence's movies, though he sort of hated the Hunger Games books, and Iron Man hits a little close to home, but that hasn't stopped him from watching every one of the MCU movies. He might have a bit of a crush on pretty much everybody, and ship Steve/Bucky like it was his job. And himself/Natasha, because his fondness for redheads started early (Jennifer Lawrence in Mystique makeup might partially be to blame).
Speaking of MCU, Bucky starts his own list, partly to track down all the references for the nicknames Tony calls him. Which doesn't explain how he ends up watching an episode of Farscape, but he does, and it catches his interest, because it's space, but it's space with the gross bits in and aliens that look and act really alien, in part because a lot of them are actually played by puppets. And then he gets to the part where John gets caught impersonating a Peacekeeper, and ends up getting strapped into a chair to get his brain scrambled while the Peacekeepers try to figure out what he is and what he's doing. And it makes Bucky tense, but he doesn't flip out, he keeps watching. In fact, he watches for several more episodes, though he does have to stop at the one where there end up being two Johns, because that possibility freaks him out a bit. He wants to know what happens, though, and then he really wants to know what happens with Talyn, because he might also see some parallels there.
He has to take breaks a lot. Harvey gives him some issues, but then kind of grows on him. Steve finds him watching once, and tries to watch with him, and just can't do it, and that might lead to a fight, or a not-fight that's as bad as a fight, and that might lead to a break that Bucky might intend to be more than a break, but either they patch things up and he keeps watching, or he keeps watching and they patch things up. Either way, he's there to see one of the Johns sacrifice himself. He sees Talyn's death to destroy those who destroyed him, and D'Argo's to save his friends. He sees the John who survived make Scorpius beg for the wormhole. He sees John survive.
So that's a thing. So yeah, I can think of some important things, but not really favorites.
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Date: 2014-12-10 05:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-10 08:25 pm (UTC)I like the idea of Lucas Wolenczak being a Jennifer Lawrence fan and agree with you that Iron Man would hit a little close to home
Jennifer Lawrence is so exactly the kind of woman Lucas would just adore, and she plays so many of the kinds of characters he'd have a thing for. Mystique and Katniss both strike me as his kind of woman, though I do think Natasha would trump them both as a redhead and a hacker (though Hardison is his It Boy, absolutely and completely). And I seem to recall it was a bit of a fanon thing to connect him with Batman, which I get, but I think Bruce Wayne has a tendency to idolize the parents he lost too young, whereas Tony is a lot more cynical about his father and his father's legacy, and that is much, much more Lucas. And okay, damn it, I'm going to have to watch all three of those movies now, because even if I never again write Lucas (and I will never say never about Lucas), I still need to at least have the movie knowledge, if not the comics knowledge, for my head canon.
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Date: 2014-12-10 10:18 pm (UTC)You're right about the fanon tendency to have Lucas relate to Batman, which I admit to overlooking mostly because I'm not a huge Batman fan. Your explanation makes sense to me as to why Lucas would actually find more in common with Iron Man. Also now I can think of Lucas and Hardison being hacker buddies. I'm not certain if I'll write Lucas again either, but I enjoy considering how he'd react to things.
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Date: 2014-12-10 10:50 pm (UTC)When it comes to Batfandom, I am all about the Robins, and. Talk about a crowd to whom Lucas would relate. I actually found comics!Tim Drake and Lucas to have a mindbogglingly lot in common, but as far as attitude goes, I think Lucas would connect much better with Jason Todd, and oh, would Lucas have Opinions about how things went down with Jason. Hoo boy, yeah. But Lucas would definitely see himself in Tony Stark, which maybe is one reason he doesn't have some of the bad habits one might have expected of a kid in his situation (also, I should mention that one reason there was so much Farscape in my post is that Rockne O'Bannon did Farscape, and there lives in my head a big meta post about how Farscape is the spiritual descendant of seaQuest, with better and more ambitious everything, and John Crichton is a grown-up Lucas who wound up in space instead, I mean even the spaceship is actually a space whale, but he's got the quirky science genius who spews pop culture and loves aliens thing going).
Also now I can think of Lucas and Hardison being hacker buddies.
See, I get torn between thinking about whether I like those two as crossover universes or if one is a fandom in the universe of the other. If seaQuest was a show in the Leverageverse, Lucas would have been a formative crush for Hardison, same as Leverage being a show in the seaQuestverse. But if they're the same verse, they could be totally be hacker buddies! Hardison could be one of Lucas' mentors who even helps keep him on the semi-straight and narrow! Which could even mean Shen once did covert ops with Eliot OMG. Hell, maybe Westphalen and Sophie are related.
I feel faint.
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Date: 2014-12-11 12:19 am (UTC)If you were objective on the subject then it'd still be on my vague list of things I should watch at some point, instead of me actually thinking about how I need to watch it. Since I lost my free source of movies, I haven't watched any movies and I really should fix that, something that I think about from time to time, but I never move out of the thinking stage.
I admit my knowledge of Batman is very limited, which is probably related to my lack of interest in him,so I don't know much about the Robins. I also admit that I'm rather weak in comic exposure in general and I suspect if I had been into them more when I got into online fandoms, I'd have read a much broader range.
Yeah, see I just went straight to the idea that somehow they were in same timeline, but I also like the idea of one being a fandom in the universe of the other. I just liked the idea of them being hacker buddies too much, to give too much consideration to how that would actually work. You carried it further and made that image so much better. Of course Shen and Eliot have crossed paths and I love the idea of Westphalen and Sophie being related in some fashion. Now would Nate Ford and Commander Ford be related or would Parker just think it should be true based on their last names? And think of all air ducts and passages that Parker could explore and then suddenly appear out of nowhere, startling unsuspecting bystanders. Also, can Nate be denied the right to say "Let's go steal a submarine"?
I feel faint.
So do I.
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Date: 2014-12-11 02:30 am (UTC)I had a crush on the Burt Ward version of Robin the Adam West Batman, so my Batman knowledge is a side effect of my lifelong Robin interest. *G* I can't even remember who the comics collector in my life was when I was a kid, just that it had to be somebody, because I know I read comics before I was buying them for myself, and it certainly wasn't either of my parents who read them. I mean, I also had Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends and the Justice League cartoon on Saturday mornings, but I remember actually reading some comics, so I know somebody gave them to me. Or maybe I was reading them at libraries, because it was pretty sporadic, and there were significant gaps, and then it didn't happen at all from when I was about twelve until I started collecting for myself in my late teens.
Of course Shen and Eliot have crossed paths
It seems so obvious now, doesn't it? Possibly Migs and Eliot, too, just because I can't see an older, reformed Eliot being entirely able to stay away from trying to do some good in the Amazonian Confederation. Though now you've got me thinking about the nightmare of Nate Ford and Nathan Bridger and Jonathan Ford and ugh. Parker would totally try to make something of that, though I suspect there really is no connection. And now I almost think it might be Stirling and Westphalen who are related, though Westphalen prefers not to be reminded of that, thank you. And Nate is retired by the timeline of seaQuest, so he's not allowed to steal anything. Leverage 2.0 might be hired as security consultants, especially after the stunt with the ecoterrorists, but it could just be that Lucas and Hardison get together in cyberspace, Shen and Eliot have that background connection, and...yeah. Now it's head canon, might someday show up in fic.
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Date: 2014-12-11 03:07 am (UTC)I vaguely remember reading comics with my brother as a kid, not really often though. When I started reading them in college, I started via a friend who was an X-Men fan, particularly Wolverine, so that's what she loaned me. Now the whole thing seems daunting that I'm not sure where I'd start.
Though now you've got me thinking about the nightmare of Nate Ford and Nathan Bridger and Jonathan Ford and ugh. Parker would totally try to make something of that, though I suspect there really is no connection.
I agree that there's no connection, but I could just see Parker insisting that there should be, to their continued irritation and the amusement of everyone else. Okay, the idea of Westphalen and Sterling being related and her denying it amuses me, thank you for that thought. In my head, Lucas and Hardison met in cyberspace, but I figure Hardison would find a way to visit Lucas, he'd want to see the seaQuest in person and Eliot would have to go along to catch up with Shen and make sure Hardison didn't destroy the place, so to speak. I'm trying to figure where Ben would fit in, because I'm sure he would, I haven't worked out how. I just can't imagine him not being in the mix.
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Date: 2015-01-29 08:50 pm (UTC)I am....also commenting like two months late, a winner is me
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Date: 2015-01-29 11:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-01-29 11:35 pm (UTC)PARKER IS THE BEST
PARKER/ELIOT/HARDISON IS LIKE THE BEST OT3
NATE AND SOPHIE ARE CUTE AND I'M LIKE 'AWW, ROMANCE' FOR LIKE FIVE SECONDS AND THEN 'OMG MY OT3! LOOK, ELIOT JUST CASUALLY SHOVED PARKER OVER BECAUSE SHE WAS TOO CLOSE TO HIM AGAIN'
NOW I'M JUST YELLING. BUT OMG. ALSO, THIS VID! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrqWzkoTJGQ
Parker whooshing her big pink parachute like a bridal train as she goes running off to her boys is like one of my favourite moments of the ENTIRE show.
I also love how Parker wants to take it soooooooo slowly and THAT IS OKAY (even if show did just have Eliot tell Hardison it was a little too slow. SHOW, YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT). So often in these romantic setups you get the Strong Woman who has a Cold Heart and must be saved by the Man-Love (Buffy and Riley, Buffy and Spike, blahblah) and what I really like is the emphasis that yeah, Parker's damaged, really damaged, but that doesn't stop her having a life and being a person and having choices, and those choices are hers to make and it is OKAY if she needs to take like two and a half seasons to get into a romance. It's just awesome.
tl;dr PARKER IS THE BEST (when we were watching BSG, the daredevil kitten was Starbuck. Now she's Parker)
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Date: 2015-01-30 01:20 am (UTC)Also, really, I think that show relied way too much on how likeable Timothy Hutton is to sell Nate, because I spent most of the first four seasons yelling, "Dump him, Sophie! Hook up with the OT3! Or Tara! I would totally be okay with you dumping Nate for Tara! AND THE OT3! I WOULD TOTALLY WATCH THAT SHOW!" Speaking of, WHY DID THEY STOP IT RIGHT AT THAT POINT I WOULD HAVE WATCHED FIVE SEASONS OF THE NEW CONFIGURATION WHAT SHOW WHAT WHYYYYYYY.
And YES to everything you say about Parker. Seriously, Parker is so MY GIRL it is not even funny (we even looked alike back when I was blonde and skinny), so I am very protective of her personhood and choices. She is SO THE BEST. Okay, seriously, I need to find time to make that icon some point soon.
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Date: 2015-01-30 01:33 am (UTC)ahahah I think in our viewing we're just seeing Nate as a kind of Occasional Likeable Bastard and focus is squarely on the OT3. It really is such an ensemble show, too, I don't have to deal as much with the 'I'm a functioning alcoholic!' bullshit. //eyerolls forever
SOPHIE AND TARA WAS SO HOT. AND OMG, WHY WAS THE FOCUS ON THE _GUY_ IN THE GIRL'S NIGHT OUT EP? I WAS EXPECTING LIKE A SOPHIE/TARA/PARKER THING, AND THIS GUY KEPT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT
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Date: 2015-01-31 09:07 pm (UTC)There are not nearly enough Leverage vids. I mean, many of the ones I have seen are good, but there are not enough of them.
ahahah I think in our viewing we're just seeing Nate as a kind of Occasional Likeable Bastard and focus is squarely on the OT3. It really is such an ensemble show, too, I don't have to deal as much with the 'I'm a functioning alcoholic!' bullshit. //eyerolls forever
Argh, I hated that part. HATED. I liked the ensembleness, though, and those times the creators remembered it was an ensemble show. I just feel like they really did not get that what they were doing with Nate was mostly a Bad Idea, and that if he weren't being played by Timothy Hutton, he would have been completely unbearable, and again, Sophie deserved so much better.
SOPHIE AND TARA WAS SO HOT. AND OMG, WHY WAS THE FOCUS ON THE _GUY_ IN THE GIRL'S NIGHT OUT EP? I WAS EXPECTING LIKE A SOPHIE/TARA/PARKER THING, AND THIS GUY KEPT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT
Yeah, that part made no sense and annoyed the hell out of me. But when it did focus on the Sophie/Tara/Parker(/Parker's friend), it was AWESOME. And I so never wanted Tara to never go away (also that Israeli operative, in the fight with Eliot in that other episode? Holy SMOKES, that was hot! There needed to be more of HER, please!)
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Date: 2015-01-31 09:16 pm (UTC)I was like, "Hmmmmmm, SOMEONE on this writing team is DEFENSIVE." And when they stumble into the 12-step meeting and Nate Fools Them All, ick. I lived through enough of that in my childhood, I don't need it on a neat TV show, thanks.
if he weren't being played by Timothy Hutton, he would have been completely unbearable, and again, Sophie deserved so much better.
YES and YES. Hutton really does have that good-Catholic-boy-dragged-over-20-miles-of-bad-road look, and any other actor would have overdone the Cold Icy bit, and you KNOW Sophie and Eliot probably got it on at least a couple of times ("That's my girl!").
Sophie/Tara forever, kthnx. Also maybe Parker/Tara. Because too cute.
SOPHIE AND TARA WAS SO HOT. AND OMG, WHY WAS THE FOCUS ON THE _GUY_ IN THE GIRL'S NIGHT OUT EP? I WAS EXPECTING LIKE A SOPHIE/TARA/PARKER THING, AND THIS GUY KEPT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT
I so never wanted Tara to never go away
T and I really liked her! I thought Jeri Ryan did a FAB job, switching between all those personalities, the lawyer, the grifter, the wholesome psychic, the good-time girl, etc. etc.
(also that Israeli operative, in the fight with Eliot in that other episode? Holy SMOKES, that was hot! There needed to be more of HER, please!)
JESUS YES. If SHE had been the Moreau whatever contact in S3, instead of that woman with the terrible terrible accent (she was not Italian, oh my God), now that would've been interesting.
-- We're gonna start S5 and I cannot WAIT to see Eliot as a chef, he has the PERFECT aggressive micromanaging supermacho personality for it. Plus, knives! Plus caretaking. Eliot <333
(I am probably going to watch The Librarians for Christian Kane, I cannot lie)
-- How do I not have a Parker icon??
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Date: 2015-02-03 06:34 pm (UTC)I never had to live through it with family, but going through it with friends makes me really resistant to the way TV tends to portray alcoholics and recovering alcoholics. Plus the whole way TV does the "doing it solo is proof of WILLPOWER" crap, which NO. So yeah, there were a lot of things about Nate's story arc that didn't work for me.
YES and YES. Hutton really does have that good-Catholic-boy-dragged-over-20-miles-of-bad-road look, and any other actor would have overdone the Cold Icy bit, and you KNOW Sophie and Eliot probably got it on at least a couple of times ("That's my girl!").
YES! I love Hutton, and I could get behind the Nate/Sophie on some occasions, but for the most part I felt like she deserved better, but I was SO THERE for Eliot/Sophie. And then there were so many awesome tidbits for Sophie/Parker, and Sophie/Hardison, and in the end the only reason I was willing to invest in Sophie/Nate was because that was what she so clearly wanted and Sophie should get everything she wanted.
Sophie/Tara forever, kthnx. Also maybe Parker/Tara. Because too cute.
I could get behind that. Also Tara/Eliot was damn hot, and I think between them they could have gotten Hardison on board, and that's a pretty mental picture too.
SOPHIE AND TARA WAS SO HOT. AND OMG, WHY WAS THE FOCUS ON THE _GUY_ IN THE GIRL'S NIGHT OUT EP? I WAS EXPECTING LIKE A SOPHIE/TARA/PARKER THING, AND THIS GUY KEPT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT
I still don't understand that. I mean, I know narratively he had to be there, but he wasn't that necessary, and it was the "Girls' Night Out" ep.
T and I really liked her! I thought Jeri Ryan did a FAB job, switching between all those personalities, the lawyer, the grifter, the wholesome psychic, the good-time girl, etc. etc.
Yes! She really held her own with the core characters, which was impressive, because they sold that team as really, really competent at what they did. I would have loved to see more of her.
JESUS YES. If SHE had been the Moreau whatever contact in S3, instead of that woman with the terrible terrible accent (she was not Italian, oh my God), now that would've been interesting.
That would have been REALLY interesting, not least because an Israeli connection would have been more interesting, I think, than Yet Another European story arc. Plus it would have allowed the storyline to go through Eliot instead of Nate, and I would like to have seen those kind of overarching narratives work through the other characters instead of just Nate. Like, we as viewers knew they all had backgrounds working solo, and we knew they had shady connections and ledgers they maybe wanted to bring out of the red and wrongs they wanted to right, so let us see that, you know? And let us see them be the ones to bring in the big stuff to fix, and Nate could still mastermind it, but it would show that they were all thinking that way, and wanted to make that difference.
-- We're gonna start S5 and I cannot WAIT to see Eliot as a chef, he has the PERFECT aggressive micromanaging supermacho personality for it. Plus, knives! Plus caretaking. Eliot <333
He is AWESOME in S5. The OT3 are amazing in S5. Parker. PARKER in S5. I'm so excited for you to see it.
(I am probably going to watch The Librarians for Christian Kane, I cannot lie)
Hah! I have been collecting the episodes on my computer, I just haven't made time to watch them yet. OR ANYTHING ELSE. Gah.
-- How do I not have a Parker icon??
I keep asking myself the same thing. Really, I needed to get a program, and now, again, I need to make the time to search the eps for the right shot.
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Date: 2015-02-03 09:55 pm (UTC)YES
also, see House and how people tried to get me to see it "Because there's an addict!" (same people tried to get me to see Monk "Because OCD!" oh both those things ended badly)
I could get behind the Nate/Sophie on some occasions, but for the most part I felt like she deserved better, but I was SO THERE for Eliot/Sophie. And then there were so many awesome tidbits for Sophie/Parker, and Sophie/Hardison, and in the end the only reason I was willing to invest in Sophie/Nate was because that was what she so clearly wanted and Sophie should get everything she wanted.
YES
Altho I did like that she wasn't totally enabling him, there were a couple of scenes where she surprised him by either telling him to drink/telling him she wasn't going to fix him, rather than begging him to stop, etc., and she gets shown as calling him on his BS a lot. And she's essentially the moral center of the show (Nate isn't, he's shown as being too cold and vengeful) so that carries some weight. -- But still, BAH.
Also Tara/Eliot was damn hot
YES
YES IT WAS
and I think between them they could have gotten Hardison on board, and that's a pretty mental picture too.
AGE OF THE GEEK BABY
She really held her own with the core characters, which was impressive, because they sold that team as really, really competent at what they did. I would have loved to see more of her.
I really liked that she wasn't sold as Substitute Sophie, either, but had her own skills and way of approaching setups and was actually less idealistic than everyone else, so you got a window on them risking it all for crazy shit and it was more believable (at least for me) in the finale when you think she's selling them out. (But she was calling Sophie to the rescue! SOPHIE RESCUES THEM. SOPHIE <33)
ALSO: Tara, "Ha ha, I thought you would really throw me off the roof!" Parker: "Ha ha, yeah I would have!" We howled.
That would have been REALLY interesting, not least because an Israeli connection would have been more interesting, I think, than Yet Another European story arc.
at least the Israeli actress would NOT HAVE HAD TO FAKE AN ACCENT //face in hands
Like, we as viewers knew they all had backgrounds working solo, and we knew they had shady connections and ledgers they maybe wanted to bring out of the red and wrongs they wanted to right, so let us see that, you know? And let us see them be the ones to bring in the big stuff to fix, and Nate could still mastermind it, but it would show that they were all thinking that way, and wanted to make that difference.
YES
It feels like the Moreau storyline was sort of almost a dry run for the Dubenich Revenge storyline in S4, which I thought worked out a lot better, because it questioned the whole thing of what are they actually doing and who does it benefit and how can the quest for revenge (on both Nate's and Dubenich's parts) just throw everything off track. And usually Male Daddy Issues give me the pip (how much do I LOVE that we see Richard Chamberlain as Parker's da), but I thought Skerritt gave a great morally ambiguous performance.
He is AWESOME in S5. The OT3 are amazing in S5. Parker. PARKER in S5. I'm so excited for you to see it.
ELIOT FEEDING PEOPLE
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Hah! I have been collecting the episodes on my computer, I just haven't made time to watch them yet. OR ANYTHING ELSE. Gah.
It looks kinda goofy and silly, but that's not necessarily bad, and CHRISTIAN KANE, always a good thing. Apparently people on Tumblr are freaking out because the credits use the Papyrus font or something, heh.
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Date: 2015-01-29 08:48 pm (UTC)OH BUCKY (Talyn's death STILL makes me cry. Talyn! Crais! what a warrior-heroic end, literal blaze of glory, omg.)
Steve finds him watching once, and tries to watch with him, and just can't do it, and that might lead to a fight, or a not-fight that's as bad as a fight, and that might lead to a break that Bucky might intend to be more than a break, but either they patch things up and he keeps watching, or he keeps watching and they patch things up.
ahaha that reminds me of how Steve doesn't want to watch GoT in Blue-eyed Boys. Also that whole John is dead! but this John isn't! But it's not the same John! But it is! plot, yeeesh, oh Bucky. Farscape would appeal to his unfrozen black sense of humour, too.
Either way, he's there to see one of the Johns sacrifice himself. He sees Talyn's death to destroy those who destroyed him, and D'Argo's to save his friends. He sees the John who survived make Scorpius beg for the wormhole. He sees John survive.
I'M NOT CRYING I JUST THINK I RUBBED BPAL ON MY EYE, OR SOMETHING
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Date: 2015-01-29 11:06 pm (UTC)OH BUCKY (Talyn's death STILL makes me cry. Talyn! Crais! what a warrior-heroic end, literal blaze of glory, omg.)
All I have to do to bring myself to the brink of tears is THINK, "Talyn. Starburst." That's IT. That's all it takes.
...Yeah. Bucky might have had to go out and find himself an HYDRA base to destroy after that one. I also think, earlier than that, the one where John snaps Aeryn's neck and that whole story arc, I'm not sure if that's the one that hooked him or the one that caused the fight with Steve or the first time he tried to quit the show altogether.
ahaha that reminds me of how Steve doesn't want to watch GoT in Blue-eyed Boys. Also that whole John is dead! but this John isn't! But it's not the same John! But it is! plot, yeeesh, oh Bucky. Farscape would appeal to his unfrozen black sense of humour, too.
It so totally would. But also, I think, even if Steve would have a hard time watching it with Bucky, I think he might try it on his own, and he'd have a hard time, but it might keep drawing him back, and I think the episode after John's death, where Aeryn stands at that window and shouts, "Crichton!" I think maybe Steve would get that. And I think maybe he and Bucky both would laugh and laugh and laugh at "John Quixote." Right up until they cried. But I really, really think Bucky NEEDS to watch John say to Scorpius, "Say pretty please."
I'M NOT CRYING I JUST THINK I RUBBED BPAL ON MY EYE, OR SOMETHING
*hands you tissue* It's okay. I'm definitely crying. I love that show.
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Date: 2015-01-29 11:25 pm (UTC)LANI FUCKING TUPU, MAN, he did like FOUR major characters, Crais, Pilot and Talyn and Moya, and they were all sensational. Plus the man is fucking hot. AND: http://theredshoes.tumblr.com/post/78477719611/so-there-i-was-watching-a-perfectly-heartbreaking
I think, even if Steve would have a hard time watching it with Bucky, I think he might try it on his own, and he'd have a hard time, but it might keep drawing him back, and I think the episode after John's death, where Aeryn stands at that window and shouts, "Crichton!" I think maybe Steve would get that. And I think maybe he and Bucky both would laugh and laugh and laugh at "John Quixote." Right up until they cried. But I really, really think Bucky NEEDS to watch John say to Scorpius, "Say pretty please."
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
TO ALL OF IT. YES. Ohhhhhhh man that "with a cherry on top," the interaction between the two of them is so chilling and fantastic.
*hands you tissue* It's okay. I'm definitely crying. I love that show.
SHOW OF MY HEART. I think one of the reasons I went so gaga for GotG was it reminded me of Farscape (altho then I saw Tumblr analysis that Farscape had a lot more women and better storylines for them, which, totally true). But that kind of whiplash from the zany humour to the sudden emotions to the bickering to the fucking HILARIOUS bits. And the pretty blond human guy is the one nobody takes seriously, I loved that.
I myself got FUCKING HOOKED on Farscape when it was....not first showing? maybe then, or maybe one of the first repeats....ANYWAY, the end of season two when it has all gone absolutely totally to shit and John is just left screaming incoherently. HARDBALL. I just love how Crichton has the 'feminized' role in that show, he's so completely crumpled like a little ball of tinfoil. Repeatedly. And Aeryn is the warrior! They toughen him up a bit later, but I love it when he's all new and still wearing his jumpsuit and going WTF every five minutes.
-- No, it couldn't've been first run because I remember catching up via the Uncharted Territories website with all the great recaps and analysis -- remember that? Perriverse something? I think that's where some of the first fanfic was too, I don't remember.
tl;dr BEST SHOW EVER http://theredshoes.tumblr.com/tagged/farscape
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Date: 2015-01-30 01:04 am (UTC)He is amazingly talented and hot. Seriously. I am never not in awe.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
TO ALL OF IT. YES. Ohhhhhhh man that "with a cherry on top," the interaction between the two of them is so chilling and fantastic.
I love it. And, I mean, I love Scorpius, I do, I get him. I get where he's coming from. Which makes what he does to John no less abhorrent and evil, and I love that John gets that chance, that moment, to not only make Scorpius beg, but to make Scorpius beg for what John ISN'T giving him.
SHOW OF MY HEART.
YES. I used to say it was my favorite live action show. These days, I have a hard time saying that because of Middleman, which hits me in a whole other way right where I live, but if it comes right down to it, I think Farscape may still edge it out, and it certainly is the show of my heart.
I have actually not seen GOTG, and had no interest in seeing it until you just compared it to Farscape. Now I may have to give it a look.
I actually didn't start watching until just before the start of S4, when they were doing one of the marathons leading up to it. I had tried before, but I just kept hitting the wrong episodes at the wrong times and bouncing off of it. When I finally had to sit down and watch several episodes all the way through with a sick friend, I began to pick up on the characters and their dynamics, and then I got the vibe between John and Aeryn, and yes, that he was the scientist and in the traditionally "feminized" role and she was the warrior (a dynamic Fringe would play with in its early seasons with great success, and then abandon to fandom's bitter disappointment) was a huge draw. But also that he started out kind of the straight man and then got kind of unhinged, but also that he wasn't quite as together as initially appeared, either, and also that he really was smart, that someone was actually writing a scientist character like a scientist. Yet at the same time, he was having to become harder-edged, more of a warrior, and the ways he was changing, and losing himself to keep himself, and that really spoke to my PTSD and my Id (we are sensing a theme here), and also Aeryn, who was awesome and warriory but also had her thinkier side, and needed to strategize beyond the way she was initially presented, and how everybody was both more than they originally appeared, and had to become more than they thought themselves and thought they wanted to be. And how they became this kind of found family, but also chose things, and...yeah. All of it. So much love for this show. Even its missteps were so often grand and interesting. And this is another fandom for which I cannot believe I have no icons. Or wait, I think I had icons for this one, but they got lost in one of the hard drive crashes. I will use my quality icon, because this show is.
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Date: 2015-01-30 01:42 am (UTC)And HOT. And can we just say, HOT? (And he was in heels!)
I mean, I love Scorpius, I do, I get him. I get where he's coming from. Which makes what he does to John no less abhorrent and evil, and I love that John gets that chance, that moment, to not only make Scorpius beg, but to make Scorpius beg for what John ISN'T giving him.
omg, there was that This Was Your Life, Scorpius episode where we saw how awful the Scarrans were and I was like NOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO FEEL SYMPATHY FOR HIM but it was too late. (They really did fuck up Grayza, tho. sigh.)
These days, I have a hard time saying that because of Middleman, which hits me in a whole other way right where I live
Would you believe I still have not seen that?? I've heard so many good things about it!
I have actually not seen GOTG, and had no interest in seeing it until you just compared it to Farscape. Now I may have to give it a look.
Aww! It has more that kind of really really zany humour, not so much the deep angst or really black ethical situations (PILOT'S ARM. OH MY GOD. _PILOT_) The hero definitely evokes Crichton with all these pop culture references.
then I got the vibe between John and Aeryn, and yes, that he was the scientist and in the traditionally "feminized" role and she was the warrior (a dynamic Fringe would play with in its early seasons with great success, and then abandon to fandom's bitter disappointment)
OHHHHHHHH
OH
DO WE HAVE _HOURS_ TO TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT FRINGE WAS
AND THEN HOW IT TURNED INTO THE PETER SHOW
BECAUSE I CAN AND WILL GO ON
AND ON
OH MAN
....ANYWAY
But also that he started out kind of the straight man and then got kind of unhinged, but also that he wasn't quite as together as initially appeared, either, and also that he really was smart, that someone was actually writing a scientist character like a scientist. Yet at the same time, he was having to become harder-edged, more of a warrior, and the ways he was changing, and losing himself to keep himself, and that really spoke to my PTSD and my Id (we are sensing a theme here), and also Aeryn, who was awesome and warriory but also had her thinkier side, and needed to strategize beyond the way she was initially presented, and how everybody was both more than they originally appeared, and had to become more than they thought themselves and thought they wanted to be. And how they became this kind of found family, but also chose things, and...yeah.
YESSSSSSSSSSSS all of that. A true found-family show. And I loved Aeryn getting her science on, and teaching John to fight, and Zhaan, and PIP, everything about it is just so awesome.
One of the few actually bad eps I remember was Jeremiah Crichton --I flat-out told T, "We're not seeing this one, not on the first watch, so early. You can see it later if you want." "No that's okay." There sure weren't very many of those, though, just two or three, maybe which is pretty amazing. (We also skipped the Olivia Gives It All Up for Love Fringe ep. That one doesn't exist, no, thank you moving on!)
'losing himself to keep himself,' that's a great one. (And applicable to poor Bucky too.)
I had a really pretty Zhaan/D'Argo icon ages ago, I should see if I can find it....and I had a Pilot one! PILOT.
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Date: 2015-01-31 09:32 pm (UTC)I loved him in those heels. I loved how unafraid all of the actors in the show were to do stuff like that, it made it all so much better.
omg, there was that This Was Your Life, Scorpius episode where we saw how awful the Scarrans were and I was like NOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO FEEL SYMPATHY FOR HIM but it was too late. (They really did fuck up Grayza, tho. sigh.)
Right there with you, but that episode was one of the reasons it's the show of our hearts, because it so often got those things right! Though yes about Grayza. She could have been so, so awesome! All the pieces were there! And then they just failed to do anything good with it and resorted to horribly misogynistic age-ist stereotypes and it was just UGH, especially because we all knew they could do so much better.
Would you believe I still have not seen that?? I've heard so many good things about it!
OMG YOU HAVE TO SEE IT No I mean perhaps there might be the outside possibility you would hate it so I won't push it on you but I'm pretty sure you would love it a lot and I seriously love it and I can't wait for you to see it so we can talk about it a lot.
Aww! It has more that kind of really really zany humour, not so much the deep angst or really black ethical situations (PILOT'S ARM. OH MY GOD. _PILOT_) The hero definitely evokes Crichton with all these pop culture references.
OMG PILOT'S ARM I AM STILL NOT SURE I FORGIVE ANYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AS MUCH AS I LOVE THEM OTHERWISE Okay, okay breathing now. I may have to see about catching GotG, then.
OHHHHHHHH
OH
DO WE HAVE _HOURS_ TO TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT FRINGE WAS
AND THEN HOW IT TURNED INTO THE PETER SHOW
BECAUSE I CAN AND WILL GO ON
AND ON
OH MAN
....ANYWAY
UGH IT WOULD SERIOUSLY TAKE HOURS I MEAN IT WAS THERE EXPLICIT IN THE CANON THAT IT WAS GENDER REVERSED FORBIDDEN PLANET AND OLIVIA WAS THE SQUARE JAWED HERO AND PETER WAS THE SCIENTIST'S BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED DAUGHTER AND FORBIDDEN PLANET IS ABOUT THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE SCIENTIST AND THE SQUARE JAWED HERO AND THEN JJ FUCKED IT UP AND I KNEW HE WOULD AND I KNEW NOT TO EXPECT ANYTHING AND I TOLD MYSELF NOT TO AND I THOUGHT I HAD MANAGED NOT TO BUT THERE I WAS INVESTED AND I HOPED I DARED TO HOPE WHY DID I HOPE I KNEW BETTER I KNEW BETTER WHYYYYYYY
*deeeeeeeeeep breath*
Goddammit it's like I never learn even though I swear I do and I swear I don't mean to trust these assholes and I feel like I don't, but then somehow I always manage to get my dreams shattered by them again.
YESSSSSSSSSSSS all of that. A true found-family show. And I loved Aeryn getting her science on, and teaching John to fight, and Zhaan, and PIP, everything about it is just so awesome.
One of the few actually bad eps I remember was Jeremiah Crichton --I flat-out told T, "We're not seeing this one, not on the first watch, so early. You can see it later if you want." "No that's okay." There sure weren't very many of those, though, just two or three, maybe which is pretty amazing. (We also skipped the Olivia Gives It All Up for Love Fringe ep. That one doesn't exist, no, thank you moving on!)
Yeah, Jeremiah Crichton was awful, and again, Grayza was a total fuckup. So they definitely had their down moments. And Fringe, though the early seasons mostly had some strong stuff going on, and though we got thrown the sop of the savior baby ending up being a surprise!girl, just not enough, just not. I mean, they wouldn't even give us at least the alt!coupleness of RedLivia/RedLincoln, they stupidly killed him off so YellowLincoln could get an in, which, what? It's not like he even had an interest in YellowLivia, why do that? Gah! So messed up!
'losing himself to keep himself,' that's a great one. (And applicable to poor Bucky too.)
That's why I thought the parallels would draw Bucky in. Crichton too got weaponized against his will, just by getting the wormhole science put in his head, never mind everything everybody else did to him, including, in the end, himself, just in self-defense. Man, I kind of feel like I should pull my Crichton icon over here for dual use, because it expresses that sentiment via the Indigo Girls' lyrics: "Unforgiving, the choice still is."
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Date: 2015-01-31 10:07 pm (UTC)YES. (OMG, that "This is for Sparky! This is for Buckwheat!" moment.....) A friend of mine once teasingly said that that show is real-life about an American boy who goes to Australia and falls into the BDSM scene, and I think they were not wrong. ALL THE LEATHER. YES.
that episode was one of the reasons it's the show of our hearts, because it so often got those things right!
OH yes. Probably if it'd gone on long enough we would have gotten an ep that made us feel sympathetic for a SCARRAN.
Though yes about Grayza. She could have been so, so awesome! All the pieces were there! And then they just failed to do anything good with it and resorted to horribly misogynistic age-ist stereotypes and it was just UGH, especially because we all knew they could do so much better.
//cries
AND IT WAS SO AWFUL
GIANT FAKE PREGNANT BELLY, WHY
OMG YOU HAVE TO SEE IT No I mean perhaps there might be the outside possibility you would hate it so I won't push it on you but I'm pretty sure you would love it a lot and I seriously love it and I can't wait for you to see it so we can talk about it a lot.
YESSSSSSSS hell I might even just get the DVD, SO many of my friends love it, and that was how I got into Fringe, The Inside, Sarah Connor Chronicles, etc. etc. (How I got into Continuum was I heard "Rachel Nichols is the heroine of a time-travel series" and was like I AM THERE. T mainlined it all first, tho, then we saw it together, and I was TOTALLY unspoiled so he loved all my reactions, heh.)
OMG PILOT'S ARM I AM STILL NOT SURE I FORGIVE ANYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AS MUCH AS I LOVE THEM OTHERWISE
AND PILOT _FORGAVE THEM_
BECAUSE PILOT IS THE BEST
UGH IT WOULD SERIOUSLY TAKE HOURS
IT FUCKING WOULD
DAYS EVEN
I MEAN IT WAS THERE EXPLICIT IN THE CANON THAT IT WAS GENDER REVERSED FORBIDDEN PLANET AND OLIVIA WAS THE SQUARE JAWED HERO AND PETER WAS THE SCIENTIST'S BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED DAUGHTER AND FORBIDDEN PLANET IS ABOUT THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE SCIENTIST AND THE SQUARE JAWED HERO
OLIVIA! OH MY GOD, OLIVIA. _SO MUCH LOVE_ FOR ANNA TORV. SHE WAS PERFECT. OMG
AND THEN JJ FUCKED IT UP AND I KNEW HE WOULD AND I KNEW NOT TO EXPECT ANYTHING AND I TOLD MYSELF NOT TO AND I THOUGHT I HAD MANAGED NOT TO BUT THERE I WAS INVESTED AND I HOPED I DARED TO HOPE WHY DID I HOPE I KNEW BETTER I KNEW BETTER WHYYYYYYY
IT WAS SO BAD
I MEAN LIKE AT ONE PANEL I THINK THEY ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING LIKE 'WELL FOR US ALL ALONG IT WAS THE STORY OF A BOY AND HIS FATHER' AND I WAS LIKE 'THERE IT IS, PROOF YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE SHOW YOU WERE MAKING WAS'
W
T
F
*deeeeeeeeeep breath*
//yoga breathing yoga breathing yoga breathing
Goddammit it's like I never learn even though I swear I do and I swear I don't mean to trust these assholes and I feel like I don't, but then somehow I always manage to get my dreams shattered by them again.
That's why I almost never watch anything unspoiled these days, unless it has been approved by like three or four people whose tastes I really trust. I mean I HAMMERED T about "Does Continuum turn into the Show About the Guy like Fringe did?" and he was like "_I promise_ that does not happen." (And it didn't. YAY) .....then again, there's something about X-Files being your first fandom, even if it happened for me before I was on the internet and knew any other fans besides T and the downstairs neighbours, because WE HAVE HAD ALL THE BITTER DISAPPOINTMENT ALREADY. Bah.
I mean, they wouldn't even give us at least the alt!coupleness of RedLivia/RedLincoln, they stupidly killed him off so YellowLincoln could get an in, which, what? It's not like he even had an interest in YellowLivia, why do that? Gah! So messed up!
//cries
I WANTED OLIVIA/LINCOLN SO BAD. I CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU. Hell, Olivia/ANYONE other than Peter. Olivia/Walter! Olivia/the cow! ANYONE!
Crichton too got weaponized against his will, just by getting the wormhole science put in his head, never mind everything everybody else did to him, including, in the end, himself, just in self-defense
Ohhh man, so true. Oh John. So much love. Poor crumpled tinfoil guy.
still not happy the baby was a BOY and they KILLED D'Argo, but it is still Show The Best Showno subject
Date: 2015-02-04 05:37 pm (UTC)YES. I have heard that exact description of it too, and it cracks me up. I'll go for it, sure. *G*
OH yes. Probably if it'd gone on long enough we would have gotten an ep that made us feel sympathetic for a SCARRAN.
IIIII dunno. The way they had set it up, I think the Scarrans were always going to be kind of the power of imperialistic hegemonic destruction of all our heroes held dear in the universe, so I suspect we were far more likely to keep getting How the Peacekeepers Are Like the Scarrans storylines for a while before we'd get any storylines showing us there were Scarrans worthy of sympathy.
//cries
AND IT WAS SO AWFUL
GIANT FAKE PREGNANT BELLY, WHY
The thing that made me really angry about it is that I was so prepared to love Grayza and see what cool, complex, nuanced things they did with her and how that complicated the Peacekeeper setup. I was not prepared for that to be an area where they fell down so, so hard. And the actress was doing her level best with what she was given, and she and Ben Browder had amazing chemistry and were so clearly prepared to do amazing things with that relationship, and it just didn't happen.
YESSSSSSSS hell I might even just get the DVD, SO many of my friends love it, and that was how I got into Fringe, The Inside, Sarah Connor Chronicles, etc. etc. (How I got into Continuum was I heard "Rachel Nichols is the heroine of a time-travel series" and was like I AM THERE. T mainlined it all first, tho, then we saw it together, and I was TOTALLY unspoiled so he loved all my reactions, heh.)
I have the DVDs (in storage, across the country, second verse same as the first), and it is SO GOOD, seriously. But again, I don't want to push it, just in case, you should see if you can catch an episode first.
AND PILOT _FORGAVE THEM_
BECAUSE PILOT IS THE BEST
PILOT IS SERIOUSLY THE BEST
OH PILOT
OLIVIA! OH MY GOD, OLIVIA. _SO MUCH LOVE_ FOR ANNA TORV. SHE WAS PERFECT. OMG
I LOVE HER. SHE NEEDS TO BE DOING ANOTHER SERIES LIKE RIGHT NOW.
IT WAS SO BAD
I MEAN LIKE AT ONE PANEL I THINK THEY ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING LIKE 'WELL FOR US ALL ALONG IT WAS THE STORY OF A BOY AND HIS FATHER' AND I WAS LIKE 'THERE IT IS, PROOF YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE SHOW YOU WERE MAKING WAS'
W
T
F
Well, honestly, it's JJ Abrams, at this point, is anybody surprised?
That's why I almost never watch anything unspoiled these days, unless it has been approved by like three or four people whose tastes I really trust. I mean I HAMMERED T about "Does Continuum turn into the Show About the Guy like Fringe did?" and he was like "_I promise_ that does not happen." (And it didn't. YAY) .....then again, there's something about X-Files being your first fandom, even if it happened for me before I was on the internet and knew any other fans besides T and the downstairs neighbours, because WE HAVE HAD ALL THE BITTER DISAPPOINTMENT ALREADY. Bah.
EXACTLY. And it's not even that X-Files was my first fandom, I came to X-Files with a backlog of the shit comics creators pull, but X-Files just really spectacularly hammered that shit home, and hammered home how much of it was the stupid shit the man/men behind the curtain pull when they don't know what they're doing and/or when they think the fans owe them something. So I think we're all pretty understandably trigger shy.
//cries
I WANTED OLIVIA/LINCOLN SO BAD. I CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU. Hell, Olivia/ANYONE other than Peter. Olivia/Walter! Olivia/the cow! ANYONE!
*snicker* I was actually okay with Olivia/Peter when it was what Olivia wanted and it was ABOUT what Olivia wanted, but also I was so happy when Redlivia had Lincoln and was into Lincoln. And then they KILLED LINCOLN OFF in such a STUPID way! It still makes me furious!
Ohhh man, so true. Oh John. So much love. Poor crumpled tinfoil guy.
Soo much love, but I think he showed that his core was adamantium
or whatever other strongest metal in existence was around for it to be made ofstill not happy the baby was a BOY and they KILLED D'Argo, but it is still Show The Best ShowAgreed on both counts. I would have loved if the baby had been a girl and they'd named her D'Argo. That would have been AWESOME. Also I admit I didn't buy Sikozu's betrayal, it just didn't fit the character up to that point and was definitely one of the parts of the story that I think showed how it had to be condensed from a full fifth season to a mini-series, which I firmly blame on the channel, the name of which I cannot type because it would foul my keyboard.
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Date: 2015-02-04 07:55 pm (UTC)IT TOTALLY FITS
I think the Scarrans were always going to be kind of the power of imperialistic hegemonic destruction of all our heroes held dear in the universe, so I suspect we were far more likely to keep getting How the Peacekeepers Are Like the Scarrans storylines for a while before we'd get any storylines showing us there were Scarrans worthy of sympathy.
I still get like full-on body UGH shivers when I see the Scarrans. They're just so fucking creepy. NOOOOOOooooooooo
The thing that made me really angry about it is that I was so prepared to love Grayza and see what cool, complex, nuanced things they did with her and how that complicated the Peacekeeper setup. I was not prepared for that to be an area where they fell down so, so hard
It was SO AWFUL. It was like another show! It was like all the writers got like 900 IQ points knocked off and were into -10000000 IQ point territory! What the shit!
PILOT IS SERIOUSLY THE BEST
OH PILOT
IF I COULD VID I WOULD MAKE A PILOT VID TO THE ELTON JOHN SONG
I WOULD
X-Files just really spectacularly hammered that shit home, and hammered home how much of it was the stupid shit the man/men behind the curtain pull when they don't know what they're doing and/or when they think the fans owe them something. So I think we're all pretty understandably trigger shy.
YES
SERIOUSLY
And Lost did that to everybody too, and Heroes just sort of disintegrated into a shitshow, but X-Files was the first time, yeah, it just felt like something was being taken away, and it was so ugh.
And then they KILLED LINCOLN OFF in such a STUPID way! It still makes me furious!
I WAS SO MAD
I WAS SO HAPPY PETER WAS GONE AND 'OMG LOOK AT THE NEW PRETTY GUY'
THEN IT WAS 'DOUBLE THE PRETTY'
THEN 'OMG THE PRETTY IS GONE...._AND_ THE PRETTY IS GONE....AND PETER IS BACK, WTF SHOW'
I would have loved if the baby had been a girl and they'd named her D'Argo. That would have been AWESOME.
AWW. LET US HEADCANON IT THAT WAY
Also I admit I didn't buy Sikozu's betrayal, it just didn't fit the character up to that point and was definitely one of the parts of the story that I think showed how it had to be condensed from a full fifth season to a mini-series, which I firmly blame on the channel, the name of which I cannot type because it would foul my keyboard.
Yeah, I know it's a miracle we got that ending at all, but man, you could really just see certain beats that would have been episodes or entire arcs, and it just sort of hurt. //sniffle