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Wednesday reading!
What I've just finished
Since last we spoke - and it was less than a week ago - I finished both Zero Sum Game and Half Life by S.L. Huang, as well as the short story set in that universe where Rio adopts a puppy: A Neurological Study on the Effects of Canine Appeal on Psychopathy, or, RIO ADOPTS A PUPPY: A Russell's Attic Interstitial.
I enjoyed all three, though the short story might require a strong stomach, as it has some pretty descriptive gore, though not to the puppy. The puppy is slightly injured when Rio finds it, and he takes it in and takes care of it, but he also has some graphic fantasies of harming it, though he doesn't. I repeat, the dog is fine! So, you know, judge your own ability to read stuff like that.
As a whole, I enjoyed both books and the world Huang is creating - I was afraid the first book was going to be Lone Wolf Russell Doesn't Need No Help From No One at the beginning, but it quickly got out of that mode and into Russell Is Bad at People But They Help Her Anyway, with a side of These People Are Terrible At Teamwork But They're Trying, which was much more enjoyable. (The older I get, the less I enjoy the solitary lead brooding their way through a story with only themselves to talk to, and I never enjoyed it much in the first place - I mean, unless you're Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe, it's just not as fun as a detective with a sidekick. I am just saying. This is why my favorite Batman stories are ones where he partners with someone, or works with a team, whether it's the JLA or his own family.)
These books strongly remind me of Andrew Vachss' Burke books, but without the constant rape/child molestation angle (Burke goes after criminals who hurt children, almost exclusively, and it ratchets up the creep factor pretty high), and these books haven't been around long enough to disappear completely up their own ass the way Burke did somewhere after the sixth book or so.
Plus, the main character is a woman of color, and her team includes a black PI and a disabled hacker dude whose geeky references ring truer (to me) than they often do in other stories like this.
What I'm reading now
Five Came Back: A Story of Hollywood and the Second World War by Mark Harris finally became available from NYPL, so that's technically next, since I just finished the Russell books this morning on the train, but I'm calling it now (I'll begin reading at lunch!), since I actually have a book I'm planning to read after that!
What I'm reading next
Hold the phone! I actually have an answer this week: The House That BJ Built by Anuja Chauhan, which came out recently and which I discovered is available as a kindle book! It's a sequel to Those Pricey Thakur Girls, which I LOVED, so I was so excited to discover it was out and available here! As are Chauhan's other books - I got paperbacks via a third party seller, iirc, and I read them on the cruise and enjoyed them tremendously, so I definitely recommend picking them up if you're looking for fun romcom-type reads with excellent supporting casts and familial/friend/non-romantic relationships (in fact, I'd have liked Battle for Bittora even more if it hadn't been a romance, I think).
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In other news, it's hard being a Jason Todd fan. So The Case appears in the Dawn of Justice trailer, though like everything about these movies, it's GRIM'N'GRITTY'd up, and there's speculation that Jason Todd Could Be Main Villain In Ben Affleck's Standalone Batman Movie, which, ugh. JASON IS NOT A VILLAIN. I mean, he's not an unambiguous hero (he's very much an antihero vigilante), but he's not a villain. Also he doesn't blame Batman for his death, he blames him for not avenging him by killing the Joker. I realize that's a fine distinction, but it matters a lot, if you want to understand Jason at all.
And then there's this absolutely awful and hopefully COMPLETELY WRONG fan theory that Jason is the Joker in the Suicide Squad movie. NOPE. Yes, okay, Jason does adopt the Red Hood moniker for reasons having to do with the Joker once using it (to thumb his nose at him? or at Batman? likely both), but he also wears a mask under his mask, because he was Robin. Like, Jason is (or can be, when well-written) an embodiment and exploration of all sorts of comics tropes (e.g., dead heroes being resurrected; heel-face turns; the ethics of killing vs. not-killing bad guys; sidekicks striking out on their own; legacy heroes; antiheroes; the ethics of using children in your crusade for justice, Bruce; etc.) but the one thing he would NEVER DO is BECOME THE JOKER. HE HATES THE JOKER FOR KILLING HIM.
Also, that story HAS ALREADY BEEN TOLD, and TOLD AMAZINGLY WELL in Return of the Joker, albeit with the DCAU Tim Drake, who's really a Jason/Tim amalgam in characterization/backstory. Snyder et al. are not going to top that (though I can totally imagine them wanting to try). Ugh. DC LOOK AT YOUR LIFE. LOOK AT YOUR CHOICES. (I realize that's premature, but I just had to get it out.)
At least the heat has broken and it's beautiful out today?
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What I've just finished
Since last we spoke - and it was less than a week ago - I finished both Zero Sum Game and Half Life by S.L. Huang, as well as the short story set in that universe where Rio adopts a puppy: A Neurological Study on the Effects of Canine Appeal on Psychopathy, or, RIO ADOPTS A PUPPY: A Russell's Attic Interstitial.
I enjoyed all three, though the short story might require a strong stomach, as it has some pretty descriptive gore, though not to the puppy. The puppy is slightly injured when Rio finds it, and he takes it in and takes care of it, but he also has some graphic fantasies of harming it, though he doesn't. I repeat, the dog is fine! So, you know, judge your own ability to read stuff like that.
As a whole, I enjoyed both books and the world Huang is creating - I was afraid the first book was going to be Lone Wolf Russell Doesn't Need No Help From No One at the beginning, but it quickly got out of that mode and into Russell Is Bad at People But They Help Her Anyway, with a side of These People Are Terrible At Teamwork But They're Trying, which was much more enjoyable. (The older I get, the less I enjoy the solitary lead brooding their way through a story with only themselves to talk to, and I never enjoyed it much in the first place - I mean, unless you're Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe, it's just not as fun as a detective with a sidekick. I am just saying. This is why my favorite Batman stories are ones where he partners with someone, or works with a team, whether it's the JLA or his own family.)
These books strongly remind me of Andrew Vachss' Burke books, but without the constant rape/child molestation angle (Burke goes after criminals who hurt children, almost exclusively, and it ratchets up the creep factor pretty high), and these books haven't been around long enough to disappear completely up their own ass the way Burke did somewhere after the sixth book or so.
Plus, the main character is a woman of color, and her team includes a black PI and a disabled hacker dude whose geeky references ring truer (to me) than they often do in other stories like this.
What I'm reading now
Five Came Back: A Story of Hollywood and the Second World War by Mark Harris finally became available from NYPL, so that's technically next, since I just finished the Russell books this morning on the train, but I'm calling it now (I'll begin reading at lunch!), since I actually have a book I'm planning to read after that!
What I'm reading next
Hold the phone! I actually have an answer this week: The House That BJ Built by Anuja Chauhan, which came out recently and which I discovered is available as a kindle book! It's a sequel to Those Pricey Thakur Girls, which I LOVED, so I was so excited to discover it was out and available here! As are Chauhan's other books - I got paperbacks via a third party seller, iirc, and I read them on the cruise and enjoyed them tremendously, so I definitely recommend picking them up if you're looking for fun romcom-type reads with excellent supporting casts and familial/friend/non-romantic relationships (in fact, I'd have liked Battle for Bittora even more if it hadn't been a romance, I think).
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In other news, it's hard being a Jason Todd fan. So The Case appears in the Dawn of Justice trailer, though like everything about these movies, it's GRIM'N'GRITTY'd up, and there's speculation that Jason Todd Could Be Main Villain In Ben Affleck's Standalone Batman Movie, which, ugh. JASON IS NOT A VILLAIN. I mean, he's not an unambiguous hero (he's very much an antihero vigilante), but he's not a villain. Also he doesn't blame Batman for his death, he blames him for not avenging him by killing the Joker. I realize that's a fine distinction, but it matters a lot, if you want to understand Jason at all.
And then there's this absolutely awful and hopefully COMPLETELY WRONG fan theory that Jason is the Joker in the Suicide Squad movie. NOPE. Yes, okay, Jason does adopt the Red Hood moniker for reasons having to do with the Joker once using it (to thumb his nose at him? or at Batman? likely both), but he also wears a mask under his mask, because he was Robin. Like, Jason is (or can be, when well-written) an embodiment and exploration of all sorts of comics tropes (e.g., dead heroes being resurrected; heel-face turns; the ethics of killing vs. not-killing bad guys; sidekicks striking out on their own; legacy heroes; antiheroes; the ethics of using children in your crusade for justice, Bruce; etc.) but the one thing he would NEVER DO is BECOME THE JOKER. HE HATES THE JOKER FOR KILLING HIM.
Also, that story HAS ALREADY BEEN TOLD, and TOLD AMAZINGLY WELL in Return of the Joker, albeit with the DCAU Tim Drake, who's really a Jason/Tim amalgam in characterization/backstory. Snyder et al. are not going to top that (though I can totally imagine them wanting to try). Ugh. DC LOOK AT YOUR LIFE. LOOK AT YOUR CHOICES. (I realize that's premature, but I just had to get it out.)
At least the heat has broken and it's beautiful out today?
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YAY
*buys at once*
Thank you :-) :-)
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I just about cried when
JASON IS NOT A VILLAIN. I mean, he's not an unambiguous hero (he's very much an antihero vigilante), but he's not a villain. Also he doesn't blame Batman for his death, he blames him for not avenging him by killing the Joker. I realize that's a fine distinction, but it matters a lot, if you want to understand Jason at all.
SERIOUSLY
HE SAYS IT RIGHT IN THE MOVIE
THE POOR LITTLE MURDERMUFFIN
Didn't they also point out in the movie that bunches of other people had worn the Red Hood beside the Joker? I mean, it was a big obvious fuck-you to Bruce, but more of a "I'm gonna wear the mask of a vigilante and be the REAL Batman these mean streets deserve, not an unavenging JERK like YOU, Dad" sort of thing.
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Heh. I took that as a nod to his comics domino, but yes. Jason and the mask under his mask is kind of a running joke for me, though I don't think he really does it after that time period.
HE SAYS IT RIGHT IN THE MOVIE
I KNOW. And that's lifted pretty straight from the comics, so...I think people just have him in their heads as the "bad" Robin and he's never escaping from that. Sigh.
Didn't they also point out in the movie that bunches of other people had worn the Red Hood beside the Joker?
They did! But they were all criminals, and the Joker is the most famous of those, and given his place in the Batman mythos, it all comes back to him.
"I'm gonna wear the mask of a vigilante and be the REAL Batman these mean streets deserve, not an unavenging JERK like YOU, Dad" sort of thing.
Yeah, that's it. Also his attitude in Battle for the Cowl, which I do not recommend reading. (As much as I loved Dick as Batman - and I did/do - Cassandra should have inherited the cowl. She's the one who wanted it most and for the right reasons and it galls me that DC will never let her have it.)
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Yeah, after the movie I then got an extra little joke in your fic that the domino glue was irritating his skin, which he found almost funny! Because JASON.
-- DICK WAS BATMAN? WTF
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And yes, Dick was Batman and Damian was his Robin, and since this was around the time I started actually reading Batman comics, Dick is kind of my preferred Batman. (actually, my preferred Batmans go like this: Dick Grayson > Terry McGinnis > Bruce Wayne. Heresy, I know! [Let us not discuss the clusterfuck that was Jean Paul Valley.] Though DCAU Batman is really the best Batman. I also love that Helena was Batman for a short while during No Man's Land, even though everyone - including Babs - seems to think she was trying to be Batgirl.)
ANYWAY. Bruce becomes unstuck in time because Darkseid/anti-life equation/comics mumbo-jumbo, so even though he would prefer not to, Dick becomes Batman, and he makes Damian, who is a 10yo ninja assassin in need of some moral guidance and firm parental {or at least big brotherly} love, his Robin. (There's a lot about Tim I could say here, but Tim is my fifth favorite Robin, so I won't. There's also a lot I could say about Battle for the Cowl here, but I'll just reiterate that I wouldn't recommend it.)
The Batman and Robin run by Grant Morrison with Dick and Batman and Damian as Robin is a good read though Morrison's approach to Jason is...interesting. (Otoh, this is where Jason-reading-Pride and Prejudice comes from.) I definitely recommend Scott Snyder's run on Detective Comics, as well.
Comicvine tells me these are the comics in which Dick appears as Batman:
Batman: Streets of Gotham
Detective Comics (the Scott Snyder run - the Black Mirror arc is excellent)
Batman 687-713
Batman and Robin(Grant Morrison, Pete Tomasi and Paul Cornell 2009-2011)
JLA(collecting 41-60)
Gates of Gotham
Batman Inc. and Leviathan Strikes
Interestingly enough, at the same time in the universe next door, Bucky was becoming Cap. So I still want the comics-based story where Dick and Bucky, as original sidekick BFF, meet for drinks and commiserate about how hard it is to step into their mentors' shoes.
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this is where Jason-reading-Pride and Prejudice comes from
SOLD
at the same time in the universe next door, Bucky was becoming Cap. So I still want the comics-based story where Dick and Bucky, as original sidekick BFF, meet for drinks and commiserate about how hard it is to step into their mentors' shoes.
Oh man, I seriously love that.
JASON: So Dick became Batman, now he's....
MOI: JASON NO
JASON: Dickman?
DICK: //stoic Ignore him.
JASON: You wish you could.
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And ha! You're talking to someone who WROTE A WHOLE STORY based on Jason telling dick jokes and Dick ignoring him. Because I am the twelvest.
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http://cacchieressa.tumblr.com/post/125543764968/wondys-the-history-of-the-batfam-by-stephanie
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DICK: Aw, Jay, we know you're not crazy, just maybe a little unstab --
JASON: LIKE NITROGLYCERIN.
DICK: //facepalm
(awww fuck Dick and Jason map pretty well onto Steve and Bucky, don't they, no wonder I like them, I am DOOMED for this pairing) (wait do Sam and Dean fit onto it? sorta? -- at least the early family-dynamic Sam and Dean)
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Personality wise, I think they match up somewhat (Dick:Steve::Jason:Bucky) but relationship dynamic wise, I'm not sold on it (mostly because they aren't particularly close before Jason dies). I'm not sure Dick and Jason really have analogues elsewhere, though Sam and Dean kind of works. For me, the real Steve/Bucky matches are Sirius/Remus and Achilles/Patroclus.
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//crumple
JASON: I'm all right! I'm PERFECTLY FINE, I don't need a stupid family, I have my favourite guns and my tiny pocket bombs and my de-magnetizer and my....
(I loved that line in one of your fics, that Dick takes like Jason's "eighth favourite gun," like of course Jason has them all ranked)
I'm not sure Dick and Jason really have analogues elsewhere, though Sam and Dean kind of works.
not gonna read Sam/Dean pre-S5 fic
especially not the ones about the Hunter Family with Bobby and Ellen and Jo
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For me, the real Steve/Bucky matches are Sirius/Remus and Achilles/Patroclus.
//CRUMPLE
You know, if they do the thing in Civil Wars where Steve DIES and Bucky picks up the shield, I just really won't be able to take it. I mean the only reason I can sorta take it in the comics is I came in way late and Steve didn't really die (or rather he didn't-die like five or six times, like everyone else) --
BUCKY: AHEM.
Yeah, you don't count now. ANYWAY. But if I have to look at actual Chris Evans dying onscreen with actual Seb Stan being heartbroken and picking up the shield, which they telegraphed repeatedly over TWO movies, ohmygod no. I will die myself. I will expire right there in the theatre in a pool of tears like Alice in Wonderland. //has picked up some drama from Steve apparently
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He tries not to get attached! Really he does! But they're his tools and I think all the Bats are a little fetishistic about their tools, and keeping them clean and working etc.
not gonna read Sam/Dean pre-S5 fic
Heh. I bailed after s5.
You know, if they do the thing in Civil Wars where Steve DIES and Bucky picks up the shield, I just really won't be able to take it. I mean the only reason I can sorta take it in the comics is I came in way late and Steve didn't really die
I know! I've been bracing for it since Cap 1 and ugh, DO NOT WANT. Especially because they HAVE telegraphed Bucky picking up the shield more than once! It's what kills him in the first movie!
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I loved how "toys" kept getting repeated in the Hood movie, and then bb Jason actually used what was it, marbles? Batboys and their toys!
not gonna read Sam/Dean pre-S5 fic
Heh. I bailed after s5.
I wasn't ever a regular viewer, but I really liked a few eps eps, like What Never Was (not the right name, argh) early on, and of course the finale with the toy soldier, and all the Charlie eps, but I remember just tuning out most of the Heaven plot and then WHA YOU KILLED BOBBY? FUCK OFF, SHOW and....I was just never into the Heaven plot at all, yeah. It feels like the X-Files, it just went on for too long and turned into something really different, except I was super invested in the X-Files since that was basically the first thing I was fannish about. (My theory is you can tell the original X-Fen got buuuuuuuurned and it affected how we were fannish about everything else forever after, heh.)
they HAVE telegraphed Bucky picking up the shield more than once! It's what kills him in the first movie!
//WAILS
(AND THEN HE CATCHES IT, WHAT, TWICE? IN WS? JUST IN CASE WE MISSED IT THE FIRST TIME APPARENTLY)
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