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guywithaplan ([personal profile] guywithaplan) wrote in [community profile] lastvoyages2020-09-10 12:11 pm
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So. Wardens. Do you think this place is meant to be good for Inmates, and if yes, are you putting in any effort to make it that way? Is this place meant to make Inmates better-adjusted people? Are you guys employing any sort of exit/reintroduction strategy?

Just asking. From a guy who's been in institutions that at least at one point pretended to have those things in their mission statement.

Or do you just want us to feel bad so that you can send us home to be someone else's problem?

Because what's happening over in the Multiverse's unfunniest ginger's little broadcast over there? Is kind of on you guys. And he only just happened to stay here. How many did you let go that are back at home beating the Hell out of themselves and miserable, or paying dividends on something they already paid for by dying?

And why is that good enough for you?
worstweasley: (pissy profile)

[personal profile] worstweasley 2020-09-10 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have to take thinly veiled accusations from a person who can't even properly clean his face!

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metalflower: (they play a fickle kind of game)

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[personal profile] metalflower 2020-09-10 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about what wardens think.

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[personal profile] wildguardian 2020-09-10 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, you think dying pays for anything? Death is just death! It comes for the righteous and the vile alike.

Dying doesn't make up for anything you've done with the rest of your life.

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[personal profile] biocomposer 2020-09-10 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)

Speaking more as a former inmate than a current warden, I have would ask why you believe it's a warden's responsibility to have their inmate make peace with their previous lives and deeds.

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routemistress: (srs ish)

[personal profile] routemistress 2020-09-10 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
No. Marmaduke feels guilty because some of what 'e did was 'orrible, but guilt isn't stopping 'im living and feeling it wasn't what triggered graduation.

I know at least one inmate that started out wanting to die for 'is guilt. 'E's going to live with that the rest of 'is life, which is fair, but the Barge cured 'im of thinking self-flagellation meant anything - especially to the people 'e hurt.

Dying doesn't pay for anything. Becoming a person that doesn't put more suffering into the world is what we aim for 'ere, and we've succeeded very well at that.

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[personal profile] fatalist_physicist 2020-09-10 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with all of these questions, though to be honest I don't think the wardens have much power in this situation either.

Also I'm please not to be the unfunniest ginger, on a more selfish note

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[personal profile] bodilesswarrior 2020-09-10 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, the Barge definitely isn't good enough for me.

[ Barbara stares at him steadily, thoughtfully. She's been doing her best to separate him from the Joker she knew, trying to tread the line between reasonable caution and useless hatred. ]

There are Inmates I worry about, once they head back into the world that shaped them. There are things the Admiral could do to mitigate a that, and a hell of a lot more, that he doesn't. I love this place, but not because it's perfect.

[ Being so earnest with him could be a mistake. But he's an Inmate, and that has to come first.

Besides, she can't help but remember a man who went out of his way to comfort a scared, desperate girl who felt broken and abandoned. She can't help but wonder if he'd ever been like that. ]

I can promise you this, though: the Barge isn't Arkham.

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tucky: (I'm so sorry about your loss‚ LOL)

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[personal profile] tucky 2020-09-10 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm gonna answer all of these in order.

[With the aid of the notes she took beforehand. She's listened to everything that's showed up on this post so far - multiple times, in some cases.]

One - I think this place is meant to be good, but I don't think the Admiral's intentions are always something that matter in practice.

Two - I spent a while trying to use deals and requests to make big changes in how the Barge is run. None of 'em worked. I would try again if I thought of something new to ask - but I'd only use the deals with the permission of my inmate, because I give those to them now. Mostly right now I focus on smaller things I can accomplish myself.

Three - Same answer as one.

Four - Sometimes, on like-- an individual level. I've always talked with my inmates about what they're gonna do after they go, and what plans they have, and what they want their lives to be like - I've had talks like that with other people that I wasn't paired with, too. I haven't ever tried to make anybody stay, though, even if I worried about them. And some people I've been more worried about than others.

Five - I don't actively want anybody to feel bad.

Six - I don't know Hux much at all so I can't speak for him, but I believe it's possible to feel bad about something for the rest of your life and still keep moving forward. You're probably right, though; there's probably people who've gone home and been too fucked up by guilt or shame or trauma to live good and happy lives. But I don't think-- the Barge isn't the only place, or even always the best place, to work that shit out. And I don't think leaving here fucked up means they're doomed to be fucked up forever. I think everybody should be able to leave here if they want - inmates, too - and so yeah, if somebody who's able to leave decides they're gonna go, I'm not gonna try to stop them, even if they're not doing too good. Mostly I'll trust that they're doing the best thing they can do for themselves, but even if I don't--

[She pauses here for just a hitch.]

If I only respect somebody's choices when they're choices that I agree with, I ain't actually respecting their choices at all.

Seven - Who says it's good enough for me?

[Another pause, longer this time.]

I like your kind of pot-stirring.

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beejfu: (!human ready to rock)

[personal profile] beejfu 2020-09-11 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
Oh shit. Chaos on the comments.

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tetractys: (R'N BLFIH ULI GSV WVHGILBRMT)

[personal profile] tetractys 2020-09-11 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
[Bill has the same sunglasses-and-beer getup he'd been sporting on Hux's entry. He also now has a cigarette.]

THANK GOD I FOUND A SEMANTIC PROBLEM WITH THIS ARGUMENT. FOR A SECOND THERE, I WAS AFRAID I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A COMPLICATED PROBLEM THAT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION FOR, AND THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ME REALLY ANGRY.
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tucky: (she's SORT OF ALIVE!)

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[hahaha this is the most she's ever liked you]
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[personal profile] callmefives 2020-09-11 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Why shouldn't he feel guilty about it? He killed literally trillions of people in service to a horrific organization. Part of graduating was realizing how horrible what he did was, why should anyone be trying to convince him otherwise?

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anti_altruisms: (Tell it like it is.)

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[personal profile] anti_altruisms 2020-09-12 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
It seems you've caused quite the debate. Are you satisfied with the answers you've received?

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vampere: (I don't know about that...)

[personal profile] vampere 2020-09-12 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
I think the Admiral thinks it's good. But honestly? I'm not too sure about that.
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( Your new warden is bored and browsing old entries. )