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Lanna Michaels ([personal profile] lannamichaels) wrote2023-01-09 10:02 am

Snowflake Challenge #2: Ship Manifesto



Challenge #2

In your own space, write a promo, manifesto or primer for your fave character, ship or fandom.


I meant to write this for that ship manifesto thing last year but never did, so here we go, in true manifesto fashion, just splattering words out into the screen with no rhyme or reason, SO HERE WE GO:

Gregor Vorbarra/Ivan Vorpatril

One of them is focused on living a life full of casual sex and not having any responsibility at all. The other is the depressed Emperor of a three-planet regime.

They are also second cousins once removed, and due to Worldbuilding Reasons, Ivan is the most direct challenge to Imperial authority that Gregor could ever experience. If, you know, Ivan actually gave a fuck and wanted to do it. (He does not.) (To those saying "but Aral!", yes Aral, but Aral has baggage, Ivan has no baggage, is hot and young and single, and after getting sent to Cetaganda for a diplomatic visit with no other credentials than who he's descended from, is pretty much acknowledged as being essentially an Imperial Prince, Gregor that sure was a decision).

Ivan has Gregor's direct cell phone number AND NEVER USES IT.

Ivan's mother is Gregor's official hostess. Ivan may or may not know that Gregor once put him into danger of having to become the Emperor himself.

Ivan, for the sake of his own safety, has been making it clear his entire life DO NOT WANT.

Is this a great long-term for either of them? Absolutely not. Ivan is allergic to the spotlight. Gregor needs a partner.

However, is this a great Mr. Right Now for both of them? YES. Because Gregor needs stress relief. He needs it from someone who will not use it to stab him in the back or make political problems. And since Ivan has negative interest in doing that, this is a perfect solution for the both of them. Everybody wins!

The only problem would be, oh no, what if people find out.

That is.

What if people find out Ivan is smart and capable.

Oh no.

That would terrible.

Much easier to be the Emperor's secret boytoy.

Nothing can go wrong.

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[personal profile] liv 2023-01-09 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I mostly don't ship them at all (partly because I imprinted on A deeper season which is Miles/Gregor) But I can absolutely buy it based on this reasoning and I do like lots of your Ivan/Gregor stuff.
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[personal profile] vass 2023-01-31 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Miles wants to bring Gregor his entire life's loyalty on a silver platter. Ivan wants to eat canapes off a silver platter.

That sounds like the thesis statement of a Miles/Gregor/Ivan manifesto.
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-09 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I really need to find the Vorkosigan books in Germany (the Bad A only has a few in English, for some reason) and read them. The only one I've got so far is Barrayar .

Because this? Sounds right up my alley! Thanks!
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-09 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
*takes notes* Noted (on both counts). Do you mind if I report back once I've finally read some?
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-10 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Let me know what you think. I can provide content warnings if there's things you're interested in knowing about.

I will link you to any book reviews I might write then! No, I'm good so far, thanks! I thankfully have no content I genuinely can’t read, so I should be fine. But thanks for the offer all the same.
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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-09 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The Vor Game is also critical Gregor reading, I think, but not for Ivan. Ivan I would say...Cetaganda? Brothers in Arms?

They are both supporting characters but all the Vorkosigan fans I know would like more Gregor, please.
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-10 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I've also added them to the list of books to be on the lookout for. Vorkosigan seems to be pretty hard to find where I live (even in my English, never mind my native language (which I thinkfully don't need))
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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-11 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, good luck!! It might be worth looking for ebooks if you like those? Last I checked, Baen's website doesn't put any DRM on books so you should be able to read them on anything? (https://www.baen.com/the-vor-game.html if you want to check it out.)

But I also prefer real books, so I get it and I wish you luck on the search!
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-12 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, good luck!! It might be worth looking for ebooks if you like those? Last I checked, Baen's website doesn't put any DRM on books so you should be able to read them on anything? (https://www.baen.com/the-vor-game.html if you want to check it out.)

Ah, thanks for that piece of information! It actually looks like going with the e-books might be the easiest way to get my hands on the series. Much as I - like you - might prefer paper.
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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-15 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I'm glad I linked it!! Good luck! (And I would say, all the books stand along more-or-less, but you do get more if you read them in chronological order! This is a decent guide: https://bookriot.com/vorkosigan-saga-reading-order/)
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-18 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'll check that link out presently and come back to it when Barrayar makes an appearance on my TBR
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[personal profile] feuervogel 2023-01-30 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
https://www.otherland-berlin.de/de/ will do mail order! Send them an email asking for what you're looking for, and you can get it sent to you :D They had a used copy of The Vor Game in German (Der Prinz und der Söldner) and I picked it up, but I haven't read it yet. I want to see how good or bad the translation is.
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[personal profile] makamu 2023-01-30 11:25 am (UTC)(link)
https://www.otherland-berlin.de/de/ will do mail order! Send them an email asking for what you're looking for, and you can get it sent to you :D

I've heard very good things about Otherland, but I've not yet ordered from them because I need to prune the list a bit before I do ;)
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[personal profile] schneefink 2023-01-09 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Nothing can go wrong, definitely *g* I have not read this pairing very often but what I have read has been delightful.
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[personal profile] james 2023-01-09 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
There are three of us! Maybe four! And at least one person who will (sometimes) write Ivan & Gregor gen fic!

*waves banner*
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[personal profile] southerncontinentskies 2023-01-10 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
There are multiple of us!! Multiple!
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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-09 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a delightful ship manifesto. Not the least because I laughed out loud multiple times reading it. And a compelling case!

"One of them is focused on living a life full of casual sex and not having any responsibility at all. The other is the depressed Emperor of a three-planet regime."

The best summary of these two I've ever read. Chef's kiss.

(Don't let people know Ivan is smart and capable!!)
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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-09 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Ivan is eminently sensible and would also very much not like people to know that. Sensibly.

And oh NO Ivan would not be doing the trading stuff. Not unless he could do it Gatsby-era, when Nick seemed to still have tons and tons of free time. These days it's a 24-hour job, with no sleep and calls all around the world at two in the morning. I could see Ivan probably hanging out with Anna Delvey and that crowd.

Meanwhile this sounds like absolute happiness for Gregor.
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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-09 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
*promptly reads fic*

(My legit first reaction is, oh, Gregor gets to grow up just as the crown prince and I want to give him a big hug.)

This verse is EXCELLENT and so clever and yes, I think that's a perfect place for Gregor and Ivan to end up. Good luck, Ivan. Sometimes people just vote for famous names.

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[personal profile] eldabe 2023-01-09 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
"Anti-campaign early and anti-campaign often." - Ivan
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[personal profile] feuervogel 2023-01-30 11:25 am (UTC)(link)
Hilariously, my reaction to this mini-thread is "I wanna re-read Memory again." (Hilarious because Ivan is the ass Miles can trust absolutely, of course.)

(damn, did I really not bring over the "glittering tinsel of neofascism" icon? why not??)
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[personal profile] feuervogel 2023-01-31 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It's such a good Going Through Some Shit book, you know? Got me through my divorce, for one.

(I like Ivan/By, myself, but Ivan & Gregor is also nice. I think I changed it, but my blog's subtitle used to be "shameless Ivan Vorpatril fangirl" because he's just ... the right amount of useless himbo overlaid on a core of competence.)
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[personal profile] melannen 2023-01-09 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
>>However, is this a great Mr. Right Now for both of them? YES. Because Gregor needs stress relief. He needs it from someone who will not use it to stab him in the back or make political problems. And since Ivan has negative interest in doing that, this is a perfect solution for the both of them. Everybody wins!

While leaving it out is very IC reasoning on both their parts, I have to say I don't think you've made the case for why this is a win situation for Ivan! :P

(I mean I ship it too but. Ivan. Fucking the emperor was not your *best* judgement call, objectively speaking.)
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[personal profile] melannen 2023-01-09 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah the thing about Ivan is that fucking the Emperor also isn't his *worst* judgement call, and there aren't many people who can say that!
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[personal profile] karanguni 2023-01-09 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)

I ship it. I ship it.

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[personal profile] james 2023-01-09 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
\o/

Nothing can possibly go wrong with any of the scenarios of them getting together! Genetically speaking they are free of karmic disasters waiting to happen! *wink wink*
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[personal profile] james 2023-01-10 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I want a fic where Ivan accidentally tries to murder Gregor. Whether it's "accidentally gets involved with people trying to plot an assassination" or "accidentally is standing in the wrong place and accidentally does something that would have murdered Gregor if he had been ten inches to the right" or they're playing a board game and someone forgot to tell ImpSec that Ivan talking through his plot to assassinate the Emperor was not meant to be taken for real.

Where Ivan's defense is basically "Of course I'm not trying to kill him!! Why would I do that? I want him to fuck me not force me to become Emperor!!"

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[personal profile] james 2023-01-10 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
See, a complete accident!

Okay if I describe the next fic I want will I get it. Because what I REALLY want is for some lovely Ivan whump, like actual whumpage, and for not only someone to NOTICE but to also COMFORT. I want to see what happens the next day when Ivan tries to get on with his life only someone knows he is struggling and HELPS. Not just gets referred to in passing so that we the readers know it probably happened off-stage, but to actually get to wallow in all the pain AND all the comfort.

And I want for someone who is not me to write it, because I've read the one I wrote several times.
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[personal profile] southerncontinentskies 2023-01-10 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
"Get Gregor Ivan A Hobby 2023"

...hey, it's a physical activity that relieves stress!