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Lanna Michaels ([personal profile] lannamichaels) wrote2021-11-07 11:48 am

Vorkosigan meta: my unending feelings about how Carl Vorhalas got screwed



Some days I just have rage blackout days about the Vorkosigans and their reckless disregard for the law and you know what, today is one of those days.

And no, this time it isn't about Mountains Of Mourning, aka "let's send a disinterested 20 year old with no legal training to go JUDGE A DEATH PENALTY CASE, and let's not send him with anyone who knows the law, either, this will go well." Like, Miles's decision in that case was unsupportable but it's not like he had a fucking clue what he was doing, he got sent to go be a rich boy and learn a lesson the back of the poor.

This time is about Carl Vorhalas. Because here's the thing. If a kitchen knife is a sword, then proles can't own kitchen knives. Ergo, a kitchen knife is not a sword.

Carl did not duel with two swords. Who is the one who decided he did that? Aral. Why did Aral decide that? Who knows. Aral has no legal background at this level, although if anyone should know dueling law, it's probably him. But, hey, that was a long time ago, and when he murdered those guys, he may have even been sober. It was certainly premeditated. Good for you, Aral, you know how to commit a crime.

The timeline on the Carl thing is just... really awful. It happened at night. The next morning, Vorhalas asks to get the charge reduced to murder. That afternoon, Aral talks to Cordelia about it and convinces himself that it has to get the death penalty.

There is never any real trial. There is never any real investigation independent of whatever security report Aral got. Carl has no legal representation. There is never any indication that anyone ever consulted what the actualfax law is about this at all. Three weeks later, Carl is executed.

And this is supposed to be the Good Version after Ezar spent 30 years getting rid of private law. Citation needed, because this sure looks exactly like private goddamn law. Aral gets away with dueling because Reasons. Carl does not get away with maybe-dueling-maybe-not (who knows, maybe there's case law that you can have 1 sword + 1 knife from the local hardware store = 2 swords!) because Aral finds it more morally convenient.

Why is Aral the one who has the make the decision on this? It's never specified. It should be a crime in the Vorbarra District, there should be people who should be handling this before it gets to the Regent's level. It shouldn't be his decision.

Is there no legal structure that Aral could have trusted to do the job? If he's concerned it looks like favors, could he not just have stepped back and let other people do the job? Why is he so fucking rushed about this? You really need to make a snap decision on an execution less than 24 hours after the crime was committed?

He's acting like this is a ship and he's the captain on it, but it's not. Which falls in with the rest of Aral's blind spots in that he keeps focusing outward at galactic threats and pays no attention to internal problems. But still, for god's sake, Aral.

(And as always, the fact that Cordelia's totally fine with MOM means I cannot understand her character in the slightest.)

(MOM also gets worse in retrospect from Flowers Of Vashnoi where Miles yet again is put in a position where he needs to exert legal consequences for infanticide and chooses not to. I have a never-will-be-finished where the kids from Vashnoi go to Sergyar and lay attempted murder charges on the surviving parent, because EITHER INFANTICIDE IS ILLEGAL OR IT'S NOT ILLEGAL, AND MILES, YOU ARE NOT ACTING LIKE IT'S ILLEGAL.)

(We will also never be over what Miles does to the Escobarans in ACC so that people he cares about won't risk having a financial loss. But hey, we already know that Miles only obeys laws he feels like obeying, and told the Emperor to his face that he'd disobey a direct order if he didn't like it. The question of Miles Vorkosigan and consequences is an open one.)


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[personal profile] southerncontinentskies 2021-11-07 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think a) Aral very clearly is making the Vorhalas decision on gut/emotions alone, and one of those emotions is that he thinks he should have been executed for those duels, and b) when Ezar said "no more private law," dollars to donuts he meant not for other people, because he thought the Emperor should have the monopoly on that sort of violence (and actually, I would have to look it up, but I think what he said was "one law," aka not necessarily an actual impartial judicial system, but potentially just his own law, personally).

Both of which to say, Aral acting as Regent isn't necessarily going against the spirit of the "law" here, since he's primarily concerned with doing what Ezar would have done, and apparently isn't so over his misplaced self-destructive streak that he meaningfully remembers that Ezar didn't do exactly that, when faced with the choice, because it would have been a political disaster. ("Misplaced" because, uh, Aral's self-destructive moods have actually gotten a fair number of other people hurt, over the years.)
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[personal profile] southerncontinentskies 2021-11-09 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Oh wow, I have never considered either of those things until just now, but both are entirely plausible! He absolutely has duels + cheating wife on the brain. How have I never put those things together before??

Also, yeah, of course he hasn't married again. God, picture the mothers of Eligible Young Ladies in Vorbarr Sultana at the relevant time - two of the very finite supple of Counts' sons are "that guy who killed his wife's lovers in a duel and then also possibly his wife" and Ges Vorrutyer. Even without the highly relevant information that they're both sleeping with each other, maybe you just... postpone her Season by a year?? Until neither of them is on planet anymore?? Yikes! (And of course, with the knowledge that they're sleeping with each other - or at least Carrying On, Specifics Unspecified - that only makes it worse. Who wants their (presumed-het) daughter to marry a man with both anger issues and an apparent aversion to the female sex? Particularly since you know she'll be blamed for any lack of children...)

Ouch.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2021-11-07 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes to basically everything. The relationship between the Vorkosigans and anything that passes as a legal system on Barrayar is, uh, questionable.
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2021-11-07 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, whether on a Watsonian or Doylist level, the canon has blindspots that allow our Good Heroes to do anything and Still Be Good.
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[personal profile] southerncontinentskies 2021-11-09 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
My kingdom for the rest of the series written in the tone of Barrayar. As in, I would literally pay quite a bit of money for that book.

Also, relatedly, for the version of ACC in Laisa's POV where she weighs the pros and cons of marrying the Emperor - or Duv's POV on that, if one's going with a version where Laisa is a bit too sheltered and/or starry-eyed to grok the depths of the damage of imperialism after only a few months on Barrayar. (but uh, neither of those written by LMB, please. Some other, purely hypothetical author. For Reasons.)
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[personal profile] j00j 2021-11-11 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeaaaah. There are a lot of things I enjoy about these books but it's harder and harder not to examine this mess closely given everything going on here in the real world. Definitely interested in fic from Komarran perspectives.