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HOLY SHIT WE WON A MOTHERFUCKING HUGO.

Ahem.

More seriously - or at least more verbosely - I think we won the fandom culture wars. How weird is that?

This is a sort of rambly post. It's about the OTW and the AO3, but it's also about Wiscon, because that's the community I'm in where old-school SFF fandom and transformative works fandom collide, and it's where I've watched this transformation happen over the last decade.


Back in October I made a tumblr post about the history of the OTW/AO3: On the AO3 all these years later.

That post is mostly just quotes from the comments to [personal profile] astolat's original post that started the AO3: An Archive Of One's Own - and quotes the post I made back then linking to hers: An Archive of One's Own, Or: Why Shouldn't We Ask For Everything We Want?

Those posts are from May 2007. I was on the OTW Finance Committee by that fall.

One year later, in May 2008, I went to my first Wiscon. I was on two panels: "Fanfic and Slash 201," and "Fanfic Rising: The Organization for Transformative Works."

They were back to back on Saturday night. "Fanfic and Slash 201" from 9:00 to 10:15 and the OTW panel from 10:30 to 11:45. All fanworks panels at non fanworks-specific cons were late night panels back then. Or, occasionally, on Monday morning after half the con had gone home.

I don't remember who else was on the Fanfic 201 panel, but the OTW panel was me, [personal profile] oliviacirce and [personal profile] ellen_fremedon. The three of us had never met before that con. [personal profile] oliviacirce and I had been in Chicago Friday night for a Panic! At the Disco concert and hadn't gotten back to Madison until 3am. I have no idea how we were even still coherent for a 10:30 PM panel.

None of us wrote the panel description, which reads even more impressively antagonistic in retrospect.

"The Organization for Transformative Works (OTW), led by fanfic writers, fan vidders, and fan artists (including writer Naomi Novik) seeks to establish a new regime in copyright law, in which 'all fannish works are recognized as legal and transformative and are accepted as a legitimate creative activity.' Should there be an exception for fanfic under copyright? Is OTW a good idea? (Some fans are afraid that OTW's activities will end BigMedia's tolerance for fannish creations.) What does the law say? What's the viewpoint of those who create original works -- should authors lose control of their original creations, as long as fans claim protection under a fanfic exception? And what about OTW's commitment to offer protection for RPF (Real People Fanfic)?"


At the time I would have said it was a pretty good panel, and yet we spent a distressing percentage of the panel defending the mere right of fanworks to even exist.

I went back to Wiscon in 2009, which was an...eventful year. It was the first Wiscon post-Racefail and it sparked a lot of discussion of intersecting modes of fannishness and particularly online fandom vs. offline con-based fandom, which was at the time a much bigger divide.

Wiscon 2009 was also the year [personal profile] ellen_fremedon went to a panel on historical fiction, and got jumped on by Ellen Klages, who was one of that year's Guests of Honor, for the sin of mentioning fanfic in her presence.

After that Wiscon I posted Wiscon, Media Fandom and The Larger Fannish Conversation, about my experience of that divide, particularly as a transformative works fan at Wiscon.

Here's the thing: online media and fanfic fandom is a vibrant, active community within broader SF fandom. [...] And to a large extent media fandom is where the young female fans are, the women who are the future of fandom. We're there at Wiscon too; I was amazed by the number of people from LJ fandom I saw at the con this year. And yet, when it comes to having a voice in larger fandom, we're still the embarrassing cousin shuffled off into the corner (or the hotel lobby). Even at Wiscon, the feminist science fiction convention, we're mostly under the radar, carving out a tiny niche for ourselves.

Last year we had two general, broad-topic fanfic panels. This year we had a fanfic panel, a vidding panel and the media vs. book fandom panel, which was not explicitly a media fandom panel but had an audience heavily weighted towards media fandom participants. And I walked into those panels and I thought "Here! Here are my people!" But it was frustrating too. Why are we relegated to the corner, why are we willing to be relegated to the corner? The conversations we're having, the things we're doing, they don't exist in a vacuum, they're relevant to the larger fannish conversation, they're especially relevant, I think, to the conversation going on at Wiscon. And I think it's time we were a bigger, more open part of that conversation.


So, we set out to make that happen. The OTW and the AO3 were a big part of that. Everyone who was worried at the time that the OTW would bring too much attention to fandom was right to be afraid. And wrong to be afraid too. Because that attention was how everything started to change. The OTW was fandom coming out of the closet, and like any coming out it was a powerful, transformative moment for those involved.

In 2010, a group of fans held the first ever Wiscon Vid Party.

At Wiscon in 2010, we held the first ever vid party in one of these hospitality suites on the Saturday night, from 9pm to 3am. That's six hours of vid programming! It was mostly unthemed, other than "here are some amazing vids!"[...] The general vibe of the party was loud, a little bit raucous, and pretty informal. We had a mixture of sofas and armchairs, stackable seating, and standing room. People came and went at will. We put a sign on the door asking people to keep conversations to a minimum, and it worked pretty well to keep chatter down while still allowing people to relax and have a good time. It was pretty much like a really big living room.


I missed that con due to the whole move to Canada and get married thing I did, but I remember my first Vid Party in 2012, looking around the party room and having this amazing feeling of being surrounded by my people.

ETA: In comments, [personal profile] cofax7 has noted that actually, she and [personal profile] veejane organized a Wiscon vidshow in 2008 or 2009.
It was only an hour or so long, and we had to scramble to get the equipment set up, and it was just run on one medium-sized tv and a couple of home-burned DVDs. But it was 2008 or 2009, I don't really remember. I do recall the cheers for a couple of the girl-power vids, like "One Girl Revolution".


It says something about the state of fanworks people at Wiscon that I was there in 2008 and 2009 and did not hear about this. At that point fanworks fans were underground enough at Wiscon that many of us didn't even know about each other. Most people had their legal names on their badges instead of fannish pseuds, so it was harder to spot people in the wild as it were. I don't think I met cofax and veejane at Wiscon until several years later.

I loved Wiscon, but it was always a fraught experience. There was always this worry that I'd say the wrong thing in the wrong place and suddenly get that disappointed, "oh, you're one of those fans," response. The vid party was the one place at the con that you could just walk in and that worry went away.

And then there started being more of those places. We started suggesting more and more fic and vid related panels.

In 2012, [personal profile] oliviacirce and I were both on two transformative works panels. "What makes a great transformative work?" and "Fans Fix SF." In a step up from previous fanworks panels at Wiscon they were both during the day. But they were also both in the smallest panel rooms at the con, and both panels fit comfortably into those rooms. Conference 5, where "Fans Fix SF" was held, is still the only room Wiscon uses for programming that's so small it isn't wired for microphones.

And then in 2013 I suggested ten panels for Wiscon and nine of them ended up on the schedule. They weren't all explicitly transformative fandom panels, but a lot of them were, and most of the panel descriptions were informed by my experience in transformative works fandom. Looking back, that was a sea-change moment, because an interesting thing happened. There mostly stopped being transformative fandom-specific panels at Wiscon, because it started being okay, even expected, that fanfic and other transformative works might come up on any panel, from the audience or the panelists.

At Wiscon 2018, I went to a panel on #OwnVoices fiction. Every panelist was a published author and/or professional editor. In the course of the panel, every panelist mentioned fanfic in general or the AO3 in specific in an explicitly complementary fashion. I nearly burst into tears in the back of the panel room.

Afterwards, I met up with [personal profile] oliviacirce and [personal profile] ellen_fremedon to flail about it, at which point we realized that it had been ten years since that first fateful OTW panel where we all met. And that ten years both felt like so long ago, and also so recent for everything to have changed so completely.

At Wiscon 2019, the three of us were on another panel together. We called it "Fanfic: Threat or Menace - Ten Years Later," and this time I wrote the description:

Do you remember a time before the AO3? Do you remember a time when mentioning fanfic at Wiscon risked a lecture on its illegality and/or immorality? We sure do! In 2008 we met on the panel “Fanfic Rising: The Organization for Transformative Works,” & spent most of our time defending the right of fanworks to exist. In 2018 we were amazed to realize just how much had changed. Let’s talk about how the perception & reception of fanworks have changed, both in fandom at large and right here at Wiscon.


We made the schedule. They once again put us in the smallest panel room. We looked around the lobby on Thursday night and said, "yeah, that ain't happening." We eventually moved to one of the largest panel rooms.

It was almost completely full.

I started the panel by reading out the original panel description from 2008. There was laughter! There were gasps! [x.com profile] revolutionaryjo came up afterwards and asked to take a picture of the description on my phone. There were so many people in that room who had no idea what the Wiscon of a decade previous had been like. It was amazing.

Best Related Work? The OTW and AO3 changed the nature of the relationship between fic readers and writers and the entirety of mainstream organized SFF fandom.

The Wiscon Vid Party is still happening, and it's still a marathon of amazing vids, but it's not a really big living room anymore. The Vid Party is the Friday night feature in the biggest panel room. There are Premieres. There’s a sing-a-long. People come who have never watched a vid outside of Wiscon. People come who've never even heard of vids outside of Wiscon. The first year the Vid Party was in the big room, I walked into the room just before the show started, looked around, and realized I didn't recognize ⅔ of the people in the room. And I was so happy. Because I no longer need the Vid Party as a safe space to let down my guard, the entire con is now that place.

We did that. We made that happen.

The OTW made that happen. The AO3 made that happen. But also, a whole lot of individual fans made that happen. We stepped out of our corner, we stepped out of our closet. We demanded a seat at the table. And now we have a motherfucking HUGO AWARD, and when Naomi Novik got on stage at the Hugos and asked everyone who felt that they were part of the AO3 to stand up to be acknowledged, a notable number of this year's other Hugo nominees were among the attendees who got to their feet.
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Date: 2019-08-28 03:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
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Date: 2019-08-28 03:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Some fans are afraid that OTW's activities will end BigMedia's tolerance for fannish creations

Long and heartfelt LOL over here because I witnessed Paramount going after Star Trek sites that had just pictures and episode synopses and sending people c&d orders to deliberately terrify them, long, long before there were centralized fic archives. Star Wars did it too. And people still repeat that old story of "writers can't read fanfic because if they get an idea from a fan, the fan will sue and they will be unable to write anything ever," which started from MZB trying to screw over a collaborator. And of course, once BigMedia realized fanfiction and vids et al could be used as a branch of advertising, and even monetized for a hefty profit (Fifty Shades), and publishing got desperate for books that would actually sell, they were far more welcoming....

Date: 2019-08-28 03:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jamethiel
This is amazing. Fuck I love fandom
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Date: 2019-08-28 03:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cathexys
I've never been to WisCon, but I was a SFF fan long before I was a fanfic fan, and my pivotal moment was in 2003 when I met a bunch of other media fans at an SFF conference and all these old dudes bemoaned the death of SFF and meanwhile we had these amazing discussions and all the energy and love and... (It was also the conference where I met my first RL fans and got my LJ invite code :)

Anyway, this is an amazing history and it's really not been that long that we were hiding and apologizing or being dissed or ignored. What's most important for me is how much "we" have become mainstream and how many nominees and award winners ARE us!

Because that's the really amazing thing,: and when Naomi Novik got on stage at the Hugos and asked everyone who felt that they were part of the AO3 to stand up to be acknowledged, a notable number of this year's other Hugo nominees were among the attendees who got to their feet.

Date: 2019-08-28 03:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
I think I'm still in mild shock from how fast it's happened. Not sure my reflexes ("never admit to it!") have quite caught up, despite knowing several people who straddle the pro/ficwriter divide.

And why shouldn't they?

AO3 mattered and matters and I'm so damn pleased about the Hugo.

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Date: 2019-08-28 04:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silveradept
What a difference a little over ten years (and LJ, and AO3, and the mailing lists, and conventions, and...) makes to the perception of transformative works.

Date: 2019-08-28 04:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart
It's amazing that it's been basically ten years (I didn't get my AO3 invite code until a bit later).

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Date: 2019-08-28 04:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] princessofgeeks
Thank you for the reminder. VBG.

Date: 2019-08-28 04:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cofax7
In 2010, a group of fans held the first ever Wiscon Vid Party.

::coughs::

Actually, [personal profile] veejane and I organized the first Wiscon vidshow in 2009 (I think). It was only an hour or so long, and we had to scramble to get the equipment set up, and it was just run on one medium-sized tv and a couple of home-burned DVDs. But it was 2008 or 2009, I don't really remember. I do recall the cheers for a couple of the girl-power vids, like "One Girl Revolution".

Date: 2019-08-28 04:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cofax7
That said, this is a lovely post and thank you for making it! I need to get back to Wiscon at some point...

If memory serves

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Date: 2019-08-28 05:12 am (UTC)
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Date: 2019-08-28 05:24 am (UTC)
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I'm from the days of "Don't own, don't sue!" so it's just bizarre to me how fast things have changed.

Date: 2019-08-28 11:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] out_there
Yes, that's me exactly.

Date: 2019-08-28 08:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
I love this post. Thank you for putting it all together.

As I was telling a friend recently, I've been reading fanfic since back when we had to call it "stories about characters from books/TV/movies" because "fanfic" wasn't a term yet. I absolutely remember the C&D years, the years of carefully seeking or looking for authorial permission before creating or posting fanworks—I'm still nervous about writing fic for recent canons, honestly, because those habits were ingrained in me so young.

What I mostly remember about 2008–2009 is the e-book explosion. The first Kindle came out in late 2007 and was a massive hit, and for the next couple of years, publishers were absolutely shitting themselves trying to figure out how to deal with skyrocketing book piracy and plummeting profits (driven by digital self-publishing and the rise of the 99¢ e-book as well as the global financial crash). There was real fear that paper books and bookstores were going to die out completely. I know some of that anxiety bled over into anxiety about fanworks, which felt like yet another threat to the established way of things (and potentially to copyright and profit). A new normal emerged for publishing by 2012 or so—Tor dropping DRM from its e-books feels like a useful benchmark there—much as you observed it doing at Wiscon between 2012 and 2013. Those years were also when self-publishing really took off. I don't know that I have a conclusion to draw from these parallels, except that it all feels like part of one big techno-cultural shake-up around the written word. What a time to be alive!
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Date: 2019-08-28 01:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zulu
I feel like I lived through history!

Date: 2019-08-28 02:58 pm (UTC)
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This is a great write-up.

Date: 2019-08-28 04:24 pm (UTC)
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OMG I'm not crying you're crying.
Excellent write-up. Totally bawling because I remember that initial panel and defensive panel description and stuff.

Mild sadness that Wiscon (although I haven't been since 2016) hasn't validated filk along for the ride, although to be fair I doubt any of the fannish Wiscon goers are as anti-filk as some of the old guard (but rather it's just might be more an unknown thing in current circles).

I still remember *prominent Ottawa writer* dismissively telling me and bunsen_h back in 2002 that filk was nothing but a bunch of copyright violations despite said writer and others in the WFC crowd regularly publically peforming music Beatles and Johnny Cash (aka actual copyright violations) as part of their bonafide WFC music shtick. It's been awhile. I wonder mildly if said writer's horizons have grown since, and if not whether pointing them to some of the "polished so it must be legit" examples of filk such as Seanan McGuire and S.J. Tucker would make any difference.

Excellent point

Date: 2019-08-28 06:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
...there have been a handful of "let's meet during dinner time in the second floor hallway to make music together" events that did make it into the program guide.

I've always wondered why WisCon hasn't been filk-friendly?

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Thank you for this excellent summary

Date: 2019-08-28 06:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
...which I look forward to rereading in 2030, when we'll be talking about the wonderful fanfic-games at VR-WisCon.

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Date: 2019-08-28 07:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cathexys
and when gaming has become a hugo category... :)

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Date: 2019-08-28 07:24 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for sharing this!

Date: 2019-08-28 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stultiloquentia
This is really great, Cat.

Date: 2019-08-28 11:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starlady
Thank you for writing this. ♥

Date: 2019-08-31 12:58 am (UTC)
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This is great, thanks.

Date: 2019-09-04 01:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brithistorian
Thanks for a great summary of a huge and important chunk of fandom history. I remember when OTW and AO3 were being established, but at the time I didn't feel I was enough to be a part of it.
As one of the many people in the crowd at the 2019 iteration of "Fanfic: Threat or Menace", I love the way that fandom is changing and I hope to be around to see many more such positive changes.

Date: 2019-09-04 11:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flamingsword
💜

Date: 2019-09-06 01:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] morgandawn
Great write up! And yes a few sniffles in the room as we read it.

Date: 2019-09-06 07:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] swingandswirl
BRB crying.

Thank you so much for all the work you and everyone else has done to changing fandom. And thank you again for this post that tells us about it.

Would it be okay if I linked it on my Tumblr?

Date: 2019-09-07 05:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] morgandawn
Fun fact: over 640 vids have been shown at Wiscon between 2009-2019. The info on 2010 is missing (locked on damned colonial's blog) so the number is actually higher. And there are overlapping vids (ex: every year Starships is part of the Singalong, along with others). There seems to be a 10% repeat rate. If you remove the known overlaps/repeats the number of vids is closer to 570. If we ever get access to the 2010 playlist let me know.
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