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I wasn't going to add to the over hyped drama of the day, but I have had one too many pious "moment of silence" emails, PA announcements, and newspaper articles inflicted upon me.
The people who died on 9/11 deserve an honorable remembrance. As such, moments of silence without expressions of profound rage are incredibly hypocritical.
How has our nation honored the deaths of 9/11? By using them as an excuse to for a list of atrocities.
In the name of the 9/11 deaths our nation has taken away our civil liberties, harassed innocent citizens and visitors because they are of Arabic decent or Islamic faith (or are mistaken as such), and invaded a country that had no affiliation with the perpetrators of 9/11.
Our government has lied to us, spied on us, and led us in circles with blame games for their failures. Over a thousand of our honorable troops have died in our immoral and unjustified invasion of Iraq, as well as countless innocent Iraqis (countless because we don't care enough to try and keep tabs). We have bungled the Iraq "rescue" invasion so thoroughly, destroying the Iraqi infrastructure so completely, that for us to pull out now would make us even greater monsters.
We haven't found the mastermind behind the attacks, and have given the Al Qaeda plenty of material to sway new recruits.
With all of these abominable acts upon our heads, how dare we say we are honoring and respecting our 9/11 dead today?
My sympathies to the loved ones of our lost, I am sorry we have so misused their memories.
The people who died on 9/11 deserve an honorable remembrance. As such, moments of silence without expressions of profound rage are incredibly hypocritical.
How has our nation honored the deaths of 9/11? By using them as an excuse to for a list of atrocities.
In the name of the 9/11 deaths our nation has taken away our civil liberties, harassed innocent citizens and visitors because they are of Arabic decent or Islamic faith (or are mistaken as such), and invaded a country that had no affiliation with the perpetrators of 9/11.
Our government has lied to us, spied on us, and led us in circles with blame games for their failures. Over a thousand of our honorable troops have died in our immoral and unjustified invasion of Iraq, as well as countless innocent Iraqis (countless because we don't care enough to try and keep tabs). We have bungled the Iraq "rescue" invasion so thoroughly, destroying the Iraqi infrastructure so completely, that for us to pull out now would make us even greater monsters.
We haven't found the mastermind behind the attacks, and have given the Al Qaeda plenty of material to sway new recruits.
With all of these abominable acts upon our heads, how dare we say we are honoring and respecting our 9/11 dead today?
My sympathies to the loved ones of our lost, I am sorry we have so misused their memories.
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I did have a good talk with a coworker whose Army-reservist husband is finally coming home after and extended tour in Iraq. About the only thing the military seems to have done right is offer domestic counseling and support for spouses of those in Iraq, both while they are away, and for adjusting to their return.
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It probably helped that I was working from home today.
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It hasn't been my focus today, but...
And sad.
And you're spot on, as usual.
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Setting aside moral reservations about that stance, explain to me how the this is at all an alternate view from anything I have said?
To say that that the president has closed with and destroyed the enemy you would have to explain how Iraq is our enemy (well, before we arbitrarily invaded thier country for non-existent WMDs) and show that he has irradicated the Al Qaeda.
The loss of 9/11 really haven't been addressed, but are being used as justification for all sorts of immoral and unrelated acts. This is my anger.
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Where is the evidence for this necessity? What suggested that Iraq was harboring terrorists or supporting them? Yes, early statements by our government said this was necessary, and that they had incontrovertible proof. These statements were followed much later by what boils down to "Actually we had never had any reason to believe this. Oops, our bad."
This is why I cited the administrative blame game as one of my many reasons for ire.
I'm not saying your government was blunderless in their action, but considering the state of panic, rage, and vengefulness that 9/11 induced, it's not without excuse.
Feelings of panic, rage, and wrath do not make our actions any less monstrous. Unlike an individual, a national body does not have the responsibility opt-out of "temporary insanity".
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And secondly, how is this not Vietnam all over again right now?
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It might be another Vietnam, but it doesn't have to turn out that way. We could win this time.
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Awful, but true. To put the "HUGE MOTHERFUCKING LOSS" into statistical perspective:
More Americans die each year from bad food (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no5/mead.htm) than died from the attacks on 9/11.
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In fact, our occupation of Iraq has led to a greater number of American deaths than the 2000-some of the original attacks.
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If it isn't:
1) How is attacking Iraq in any way avenging our dead? Iraq had *nothing* to do with 9/11.
2) How does our loss of liberties at all reflect consistency with our founders' ideals?
A good reference for our founders' premises is the Declaration of Independence (http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm):
It says nothing about God's work and a whole lot about our rights and the sanctity of such. It does have a line about how a government should be designed/maintained in a way such that it "shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness". Which brings me back to what our nation is *actively not* doing in the name of the 9/11 attacks.
Furthermore, I am not understanding why there are not more cries of outrage from Christian communities over the interpretation that Christian duty includes militant suppression of disbeleivers. Admittedly, I haven't done a page for page reading of the New Testament, but I don't remember that bit (while my early Sunday school years did include quite a bit about turning the other cheek, and peace and love). Since when does the government dictate Christian (or any other religion's) policy?
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“Since when does the government dictate Christian (or any other religion’s) policy?”
I have a good friend (and we continue to be good friends, despite our differences) who is very Catholic. He is now a Republican despite the fact that he is as poor as a church mouse, who doesn’t even have two dimes to rub together. Despite being an immensely talented and intelligent individual, he has allowed the president’s message to brainwash him into accepting all the government rhetoric on faith.
Anyone who isn’t right wing, Christian, white and male; blacks, Jews, homosexuals, Moslems, etc. is somehow suspected of traitorous thoughts. Homeland security is used more as a tool to deny rights than to protect us. It’s almost as if they’re using the movie “V for Vendetta” as a playbook.
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*laughing* It is okay, I don’t pick up on subtleties so well. Not knowing you (that I know of) but also knowing people who, like your friend, really buy into that, I didn't have sufficient context to expect it to be ironic.
I noticed an absence of one important thing – the impact of the governments very well crafted Christian-as-patriot card.
I left that out of my rant specifically because it is so well crafted. Faith is not something one can argue with, so by avoiding mentioning religious mores, my statements are more likely to be taken at face value.
It’s almost as if they’re using the movie “V for Vendetta” as a playbook.
If this is the case, I wonder if they somehow didn’t consider how the story ends.
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