Glane23

Geoff Lane

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Question from Sandile B Ngidi (02:17, 24 June 2026)

Thanks a lot Glen. Yes, I am keen to learn from you. How to get started with editing. The first one I would like to start with is my entry. Then a few figures in South African literature and the arts. --Sandile B Ngidi (talk) 02:17, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@Sandile B Ngidi: Well, as far as writing about yourself, Wikipedia discourages autobiography. You can read about the policy here: Wikipedia:Autobiographies. If you'd like more information about contributing to Wikipedia, you may want to see our introduction: Wikipedia:Introduction. We also have an editing tutorial that every new editor should read: Wikipedia:Tutorial.

Then, to begin writing your first article, start here: Help:Your_first_article, which will help you decide whether the topic you want to write about is suitable for a Wikipedia article. If your subject is suitable for Wikipedia, you can choose the option to create a draft and submit it for review by other editors as a part of the "Articles for Creation" project (WP:AFC). The members of this project are experienced editors, though there is much greater demand for their services than there is supply, so you may need to wait a while before your draft is reviewed.

Note that using an LLM, such as ChatGPT, etc., to create or edit an article is prohibited: Wikipedia:Writing_articles_with_large_language_models.

Once you submit your draft, it will be placed into a category where it will be open for review by anyone who reviews submissions. If your submission is approved (which may take more than 3 months because of the current backlog) then an editor will accept it, and you will be notified of the article's creation. If your submission is not accepted, a note will be left on the page describing what can be improved, and you will be notified of this via a message on your "Talk" page.

Note that if you are interested in the publication of an article to which you are very close (e.g., an article about a member of your family, your business, your club/organization/school, or yourself) you probably have a conflict of interest: if so, it will be absolutely critical that you disclose this when you create the article. Please see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest for information about doing so properly. If you do not do this, your user account may become permanently blocked and the article may be deleted.

Let me know if you have further questions. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia, and welcome to the community! Good luck! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 03:24, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Glen. I did not mean it in that way. I just wanted to start with a subject that is less complicated. But yes, the point is well taken. Sandile B Ngidi (talk) 03:32, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Question from Gurpartap Singh Gill (23:21, 5 July 2026)

How to publish on main page --Gurpartap Singh Gill (talk) 23:21, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

@Gurpartap Sigh Gill: You cannot publish directly on the Main Page. Do you mean, "how is it that an article is published on Wikipedia"? Are you trying to write about yourself, as with your sandbox draft at User:Gurpartap Singh Gill/sandbox? Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 23:38, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes ~2026-38416-39 (talk) 00:47, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@Gurpartap Sigh Gill: Always be sure to log on with your user account before editing. As to your article about yourself, you should be aware that autobiographies are strongly discouraged for the reasons explained here: Wikipedia:Autobiographies. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 03:37, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from NivanJshi on Wikipedia:WikiProject Directory/Science, technology, and engineering WikiProjects (20:46, 6 July 2026)

Hey how do i join a wikiproject? I wanted to join the outer space one --NivanJshi (talk) 20:46, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@NivanJshi: There are 5 projects related to outer space: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Directory/Science,_technology,_and_engineering_WikiProjects#Outer_space_WikiProjects. Just go to a project main page, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomical_objects, to learn how to participate. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 21:26, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Hygordamedee

Hello Glane23, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Hygordamedee, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 02:00, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

@Whpq: Thanks for the feedback. I'll take it to MfD, as perhaps I should have done in the first place. (Perhaps this one would have warranted speedy if I had tagged it as WP:G11?) Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 03:23, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

You're invited to the Mentorship noticeboard

Hi, Glane23. You are cordially invited to the brand new Wikipedia:Mentorship noticeboard. I get the impression sometimes that we mentors are each toiling in our own cubbyhole, quietly answering mentee questions with little to no interaction with other mentors. I think we have a lot to share and learn from each other, and I know it will make me feel better just having the opportunity to interact with you and other mentors there, and I hope it will for you, too. Looking forward to hearing your feedback. Please take the § Survey when you get there! Mathglot (talk) 03:16, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from Bencenope (19:21, 11 July 2026)

Hey Glane, I'm new on wikipedia and I made this account to hopefully make a page about a band I listen to. Is it possible to create pages or it's only possible for older accounts to maintain wikipedia's professionalism? Thanks in advance. --Bencenope (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

@Bencenope:: To begin writing your first article, start here: Help:Your_first_article, which will help you decide whether the topic you want to write about is suitable for a Wikipedia article. If your subject is suitable for Wikipedia, you can choose the option to create a draft and submit it for review by other editors as a part of the "Articles for Creation" project (WP:AFC). The members of this project are experienced editors, though there is much greater demand for their services than there is supply, so you may need to wait a while before your draft is reviewed.

Note that using an LLM, such as ChatGPT, etc., to create or edit an article is prohibited: Wikipedia:Writing_articles_with_large_language_models.

Once you submit your draft, it will be placed into a category where it will be open for review by anyone who reviews submissions. If your submission is approved (which may take more than 3 months because of the current backlog) then an editor will accept it, and you will be notified of the article's creation. If your submission is not accepted, a note will be left on the page describing what can be improved, and you will be notified of this via a message on your "Talk" page.

Note that if you are interested in the publication of an article to which you are very close (e.g., an article about a member of your family, your business, your club/organization/school, or yourself) you probably have a conflict of interest: if so, it will be absolutely critical that you disclose this when you create the article. Please see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest for information about doing so properly. If you do not do this, your user account may become permanently blocked and the article may be deleted.

Let me know if you have further questions. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia, and welcome to the community! Good luck! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 20:34, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! ~2026-39331-54 (talk) 02:13, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from PromotaAfric (23:42, 11 July 2026)

How I can I get my name on search engines --PromotaAfric (talk) 23:42, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

@PromtaAfric: You created a draft article on your account user page. As this is not a permitted use of that page, I have moved the draft for you to Draft:Ayiik_Benjamin_Kuch, where you can continue to work on it and, when ready, submit for review for possible inclusion on Wikipedia. I can see several issues with the draft. Even though I am not going to review your draft article as one of the new page patrol volunteers, I will give you my thoughts for consideration.

First, it is clear that you used an LLM to create the article, which is a violation of Wikipedia policy: Wikipedia:Writing_articles_with_large_language_models. You should start by rewriting the article yourself, without the use of the LLM.

Second, there are no references. Every Wikipedia article needs to have each of its facts verifiable by citing reliable sources as references: Wikipedia:Citing_sources.

Third, Wikipedia is not a venue for promotion of yourself or anything or anyone else: Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. It is also not a blog or web hosting service: Wikipedia is not a web host.

If your purpose is to "get my name on search engines", I suggest you try elsewhere. No doubt an SEO and a web hosting company can advise you in that regard. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 00:29, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

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Question from KrishivSukul (10:03, 13 July 2026)

Hello mentor, I wanted to restore an article on the school Seven Eleven Scholastic school; which i saw some years ago but was taken down. I am globally blocked for no reason till 2028!!? why is my ip address so cursed? i submtted an appeal --KrishivSukul (talk) 10:03, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Maybe they fixed it. At least i wont grow busy KrishivSukul (talk) 10:04, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

@KrishivSukul: I gather this is resolved, as your account is not blocked? You may have seen the block notice because you tried editing while using a VPN, proxy or iCloud relay. Usually, it is necessary to disable those before editing, as even logged on users may be blocked while trying to edit with a VPN, etc. activated. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 12:59, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks KrishivSukul (talk) 12:13, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for your help! KrishivSukul (talk) 10:08, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

@KrishivSukul: I edited your user page for you. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 13:04, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Advice requested regarding Dina Patel article

Hello Geoff,

I hope you are well. You were assigned to help guide me on Wikipedia, so I wanted to ask for your advice regarding the article about Dina Patel.

The article has now been nominated for deletion. The nominator’s main concerns are that the subject may be borderline under WP:GNG, that the article is written in an overly promotional style, and that parts of it appear AI-generated.

There have also been earlier problems with the article’s accuracy. Anonymous IP editors repeatedly changed important biographical details, including the date and place of birth, without reliable sourcing. I understand that this is separate from the deletion discussion, but it has made the article unstable.

There are several published sources about the subject, including substantial coverage in Dawn/Eos, BOL News, RFE/RL and the Daily Times. The article itself may need a major neutral rewrite, removal of promotional material, stronger citations and possibly the removal of unsupported or disputed claims.

Could you please advise me on the correct steps to take?

In particular:

• Should I participate in the deletion discussion, and how should I frame the response?
• Would it be better to request a neutral rewrite, draftification or assistance from an uninvolved editor?
• Should the repeated unsourced IP changes be raised separately as a protection issue?
• As someone connected to the subject, what edits should I avoid making directly?
• Are the existing independent sources likely to be sufficient, or should more sourcing be found before arguing for retention?

I do not want to interfere improperly with the deletion process. I just want to follow Wikipedia’s policies and make sure the article is assessed using accurate information, reliable sources and neutral wording.

Your guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you. P.S Voltaire said it right :) MotorsportArchivePK (talk) 19:06, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

@MotorsportArchivePK: I can't interfere with the AfD process which has just begun. You made your comment in that discussion and you'll need to let that play out as others consider the nomination. AfD is not the place to debate the merits of an article by repeated back-and-forth postings. You posted your statement there, now wait to see what happens. As far as protecting the article from temporary and new use account edits, it was semi-protected on 25 June. The protection was set to persist until 26 July. You did mention one thing, that you are "someone connected to the subject". In what way? Editors with a conflict of interest need to disclose that conflict, as per WP:COI. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 20:50, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance Geoff, I understand that the AfD discussion should now be allowed to proceed without repeated back-and-forth comments. My connection to the subject is limited to my activity on Wikipedia.

I have been researching and editing content relating to Pakistani motorsport, particularly rally racing, including the Cholistan Desert Rally, the Jhal Magsi Desert Challenge and the Dina Patel article. I have monitored the latter more closely over the past few weeks because some of my edits led to discussion on the article’s talk page.

Please let me know if any further clarification or disclosure is required.

Thank you.

MotorsportArchivePK (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from Kahune (00:42, 14 July 2026)

Teach me your ways, senpai. --Kahune (talk) 00:42, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

@Kahune: "Wax on, wax off. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 02:52, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from Jjsvoid2 (13:18, 14 July 2026)

Hello, am i new to editing. --Jjsvoid2 (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

@Jjsvoid2: Welcome! I assume you signed up because you were interested in creating a new article. Some advice, whether or not that was your first impulse:

Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing seven million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read Help:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out the tutorial; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 13:32, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks senior for your words.I will put my hardwork on learning editing and typos. ~2026-39544-68 (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

@Jjsvoid2: Always logon on with your account before editing. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 13:43, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Astro fanatic representative portrait

i think this pictograph has some or may alot of details about a girl and some other demi-human but the title is kinda unmatchable by the way the end. ~2026-39544-68 (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

@Jjsvoid2: Which article are you writing about? Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 13:44, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from Yo bro 1817 on Gigolo (07:00, 15 July 2026)

Mujhe samaj nahi aa raha he please help call ya msg --Yo bro 1817 (talk) 07:00, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

@Yo bro 1817: Sorry, this is the English Wikipedia. And there is no telephone help facility anywhere on Wikipedia. If what you wish is to help edit, you may find more success at the Hindi Wikipedia. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 12:23, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Articles for Creation backlog drive

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Question from Ryqza (21:44, 20 July 2026)

Hello, I was wondering if an entire category seems to be pulled from a single source and the category does not have any sources already cited, how should I go about citing it? Should I just cite the source at the end of the category, or after every section within the category? For example the history section of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Heart_of_Jesus_Catholic_School Thank you! --Ryqza (talk) 21:44, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

@Ryqza: For that article you mentioned, add a citation for each of the sections, which are, by and large, just one sentence stating a fact for a year. Each fact cited in an article should have a reference so that the readers can verify the fact for themselves by reading the reference cited for the fact. It will help you understand the use of references if you start by reading this article, Wikipedia:Citing_sources, and then for help on how to create inline citations, this article Help:Referencing_for_beginners. If you'd like more information about contributing to Wikipedia, you may want to see our introduction: Wikipedia:Introduction. We also have an editing tutorial that every new editor should read: Wikipedia:Tutorial. Beyond citing references, the entire article could be rewritten as paragraphs summarising the history, rather than as sections year-by-year. Further, the one citation you added is from the article subject's own website, and is thus a primary source, rather than a third party, independent publication. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:57, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Question from Littlerock665 (23:38, 20 July 2026)

Hello.. how can I create a page regarding a historical site in my town of Littlerock CA --Littlerock665 (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

@Littlerock665: There is already an article: Littlerock,_California. Perhaps you could edit the article to add to it? Before plunging in, may I suggest reading the introduction, Wikipedia:Introduction, and also taking the tutorial that every new editor should read: Wikipedia:Tutorial. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 23:54, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

ok.. let me gather my information regarding the Alpine Grange that is located in Littlerock..

Thank you for your prompt response Littlerock665 (talk) 23:57, 20 July 2026 (UTC)