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== Nihonjoe and COI ==

It was recently brought to the community's attention – through an external online publication which I won't link to here but which can be easily Googled up – that {{u|Nihonjoe}} has been editing articles in which he has a significant conflict of interest. These are articles about his employer, which Nihonjoe has significantly expanded mostly with promotional material, and three articles about his employer's products.

 

*:{{reply|JzG}} Please desist from attacking fellow editors. Please assume they are here to help rather than hinder. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">——Serial</span>]] 13:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 

=== The heat/light boundary ===

* "More heat than light" is such an overused cliche for closing threads. Dear colleagues, if there is more heat than light, '''remove the heat not the light!''' Not both. It's not a good idea to tell everyone they can't have a discussion because some people are acting like jerks. Let's stop doing this. The next time you see more heat than light, remove the heat so the light can continue. Don't just shut it all down with a cliche. This public service announcement brought to you by [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 16:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

===Requested specific subsection===

I propose that ArbCom formally remind {{U|Nihonjoe}} that communication is required, and that under WP:ADMINACCT, the expectations for administrators to respond to concerns are higher than for regular editors. I am sure that regardless of what discussions they may have conducted or still be conducting on the matter, they will be able to post such a statement on their noticeboard or at his user talk without much extra effort.

 

I was not kidding about a need to determine whether Nihonjoe still retains the trust of the community to continue to act as a bureaucrat. I thought we were going to have an on-wiki discussion because the cat was out of the bag. But if we feel that it could be worse, it is very good that arbcom looks into it instead. But we need an arb to come here and say arbcom is looking into it. What we don't need is an arbcrat being the one to close the discussion referring to completely irrelevant matters, giving last say to people who added nothing but abuse people raising concerns. I don't usually get deep into conflicts between regulars because Wikipedia works just fine with or without the input of a single editor such as me. But we've lost perspective indeed if we fail to consider the optics of extremely long-time admins shutting down discussion when concerns are raised about a top-ranking member of the community, and not even pretending to be nice about it. I did not say Nihonjoe should not be an admin or a crat. I said we need to determine where the community is. What's Nihonjoe going to say in the cratchat if an RFA is started tomorrow and it comes out during the RFA that the candidate had once created a undisclosed COI article and that takes it to the discretionary zone? Smaller issues have been known to become central in RFAs. Everything does not become fine just by pretending it never happened. '''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 02:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

:Not an arb, but I sent the private evidence in question to them, and they replied that they are looking into it. [[User:Sagflaps|Sagflaps]] ([[User talk:Sagflaps|talk]]) 02:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 

== Paid/COI editor consistent vandalism, needs to be blocked fast ==