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A few years ago I read about somebody who vowed to give up plastic for a year as her way of fighting pollution or global warming or something. I was impressed with the idea at the time, and briefly thought "Maybe I should do that!" until I actually thought about what that would entail. But I feel increasingly guilty every time I regard the ridiculous pile of plastic left behind by one salad kit. Surely I could do better.

So I'm resolving to use LESS plastic this year. I'm not willing to give up all packaged foods, cancel my newspaper subscription, brush my teeth with baking soda, and bake all my own bread. But surely I can find a way to make a salad that doesn't require 4 plastic sleeves inside another larger plastic sleeve inside a plastic bag, right?  

I should probably do less ordering from Amazon (although I'm not even going to think about that until the latest pandemic surge abates). But even if you shop only in brick-and-mortar stores, almost everything on the shelves is sheathed in plastic film, stuffed in a plastic bag, or embedded in a plastic clamshell. 

Any suggestions, folks?

Date: 2022-01-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] quadong
It would be massively more productive to pressure elected officials to disincentive or ban corporations from sending you things in plastic than to flog yourself about your personal use. In many cases, your choice is between getting something in plastic or not getting it, because the economics are such that every company packages it that way. Sometimes, the choice is between getting it in plastic, or paying double. There's no way the Earth gets saved by 0.1% of people resolving to pay double.

Of course, if there's actually a reasonable choice between more and less plastic (where the "less plastic" option is neither prohibitively expensive, nor horribly inconvenient, nor terribly inferior), go for the less plastic option.

I am trying Stasher bags starting this month. Their website is broken at the moment (New Year's certificate problems?), but here they are at Target:

https://www.target.com/p/stasher-pocket-silicone-accessories-bag-set-8211-clear-38-aqua-8211-2pk/-/A-81412839#lnk=sametab

I am not yet convinced that they are better than plastic containers or ziploc bags. They take for-freaking-ever to get dry, that's the main problem. But at least they stay propped open to dry, unlike when you try to reuse ziploc bags, which tend to flop over.

I *was* impressed by how they shipped. They come in a stiff paper envelope, just right in there without anything extra. They don't wrap each one in a plastic bag, surrounded by a clamshell, with syrofoam around it, in a huge mostly-empty cardboard box, which is kinda the standard we've come to expect. So it feels good to get them, at least.

I'm trying to think of what products I buy frequently for which I have any choice about the level of packaging. Um. I mean, if you buy in larger containers, that usually reduces the packaging. Like a gallon of milk has less plastic around it than two half-gallons. Ditto different sized cereal boxes. (But I'm not going to buy the scammy 20oz Cheerios size which is always priced much worse than the 18oz size for the epsilon reduction in packaging.)

Big yogurt tubs are better than individual serving yogurts *IF* you serve out the same amount from the big tub as the individual serving. If the big tub makes you overconsume, it doesn't help anyone.

Let's see. Usually whole chickens are wrapped in a single plastic bag, whereas the same weight of chicken parts has much more plastic wrap, plus several styrofoam boats, and that nasty absorbent stuff. If you buy frozen chicken parts, it's usually just in a plastic bag without the other layers, so that's a middle ground.

Anything you're willing to get as a powder and mix yourself instead of buying as a liquid is a huge environmental win in both packaging and fuel. It most likely also saves you money.

The veggies from the CSA came all together in one huge plastic bag (in a box that they take back and reuse), which was the right size to reuse as a kitchen garbage bag. Joining a CSA is probably an environmental win *if* you're going to eat most of what they send you. Ours let us do a lot of customization, so wastage could be reduced. YMMV depending on local CSAs.

Choose plastic bags over plastic jars/tubs/containers when possible. This is a choice for popcorn from Target for whatever reason. The bags use much thinner plastic.

Going back to the rant at the top, though, donate to organizations that promote a carbon tax, taxes on plastic, rules that require companies to take back and deal with the waste they produce, etc. This moves the cost to companies and incentivizes them to use less plastic, carbon, etc. I know about the Citizen's Climate Lobby:

https://citizensclimatelobby.org/

They only focus on carbon. I'd like to know about ones that work on other external costs (like plastic waste) that need to be shifted from the consumer to the producers.

Date: 2022-01-03 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] quadong
When I looked into CSAs last year, there were a *lot* of them to choose from for our area. I bet that's true for Mpls also. You should be able to find out ahead of time if they let you customize your box. We also got a lot of bok choy, mustard greens, and other green leafy things that mostly went to waste before I started customizing our boxes. Did you perhaps try a CSA before the modern Web era? Our customization is a super easy web form, and you're prompted to do it (or not, and get the default) by an e-mail before each pick-up.

Date: 2022-01-03 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] quadong
Well, for me because I have never found walking down the farmer's market once a week to be convenient. Just depends where and how good it is, I suppose. Ditto on the CSA. Ours has lots of good stuff as well as the bok choy that I said no thanks to.

Date: 2022-01-03 11:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spiderplanet
I strongly prefer the farmer's market for exactly this reason. Fresh produce, and I only have to take home what I plan to use. I hate the surprise boxes.

My thoughts on the plastic waste are "Buy less stuff" in the first place. Eating less meat ends up being less plastic. Using freecycle or BuyNothing for "stuff" ends up being less waste. You and Matt are both right that it's not a big impact until corporations take responsibility, but at least it's not so demoralizing to look at a garbage bag full of single use shit.

I saw a waste management expert on a video about "wishcycling" and cutting down on trash waste in general. She implored people to re-use everything at least once. That's a challenge, and it does discourage buying it in the first place if I can't think of any way to re-use it.

Date: 2022-01-04 02:04 pm (UTC)
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All good points.

It is possible to get toothpaste powder, Microcenter sells electronics in cardboard packaging, but I understand those are just examples and there is still some stuff that's impossible to get without plastic. Berries is a great example.

Date: 2022-01-03 03:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sraun
FWIW, CostCo has started pushing their suppliers to use less plastic in their packaging. This caught me by surprise at one point- I was looking for deodorant, which before this always had a plastic sleeve showing the individual dispensers, but now it's all cardboard, and you can't see the individual items. Once I knew about it, I could find what I was looking for.

Date: 2022-01-03 06:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monksandbones
I came across your post on my network page and wanted to watch the comments it collected, and add my own, because I'm also working to reduce my plastic consumption. I hope you don't mind me adding my suggestions!

On area where I've found it pretty easy to reduce my use of plastic is laundry. Admittedly, I wasn't a big laundry product user before, just liquid detergent and dryer sheets, but I've switched to concentrated detergent sheets/laundry strips and wool dryer balls. The laundry strips I use are from Tru Earth and are pretty good. I've been mail-ordering them, and they come in a recyclable paper sleeve. Do note, though, that if you go with Tru Earth, they send nonstop promotional emails (many with discount codes). I think there are a number of other similar options at this point, though!

I've also found a couple of local bulk food/zero waste stores that allow you to bring and fill your own containers, which is very helpful if you can locate something similar in your area (and the COVID situation is safe enough to allow for in-person shopping).

Date: 2022-01-03 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carbonel
Amazon is clearly making some efforts to reduce waste. For example, I regularly order tea that comes in its own box. It used to come packed in an Amazon box, with packing stuff around it. Now, more sensibly, the box comes on its own.

Date: 2022-01-03 11:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spiderplanet
The claim that "all" packaging is recyclable is ALWAYS bullshit. Theoretically, Styrofoam is recyclable, BUT IT'S NOT. There is no market for it, and it is not practical to re-form it.

There is more plastic than recyclers know what to do with right now, and even then, no one wants any of it unless it has a "1" or a "2" in the rotating arrows. There is no market for any number "3" or higher.

Date: 2022-01-04 06:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] monksandbones
Yes, the overlap between coops/similar stores and yuppified stores is nearly 100%, and that's really too bad. Admittedly, I buy some of my staples at a small, independent, very yuppified but specifically zero-waste store, but it's not cheap and the selection is limited. Luckily here in Canada we have a bulk food chain called Bulk Barn that is not yuppified at all, but that allows you to bring your own containers (or at least, the one closest to me does)!

Laundry detergent bottles were one of my least favorite things even without the plastic issue–I never felt like I could get them empty enough to be able to rinse them out and put them in recycling! I was pretty glad to be free of them for that alone!

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